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(Patch)   Cool: Marine returns to high school and graduates. Bad: principal denies request to wear dress blue uniform. "if people wanted to wear different things for other reasons she would feel like she would have to allow that stuff too"   (hudson-wi.patch.com) divider line 56
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2013-03-11 07:42:35 AM
15 votes:
Oh goody, another soldier demanding special treatment and then whining to the media when he doesn't get it.

Interesting that he and his family don't get the concept of a UNIFORM that everyone is expected to wear at graduation.
2013-03-11 07:41:03 AM
11 votes:
If going to the graduation ceremony is his goal, he should dress the same as his classmates.

This sounds more like he wants to wear his blues to impress everyone.

/My AF blues are for military or personal functions like my wedding. I own a civilian suit for other occasions.
2013-03-11 07:37:45 AM
7 votes:
I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.
2013-03-11 07:49:14 AM
6 votes:
I imagine he's welcome to wear his dress blues under his cap and gown, but the cap and gown IS the uniform of a graduation ceremony.
2013-03-11 07:42:15 AM
6 votes:
Just wear your uniform under the gown and flash everybody when you get called up to stage.
2013-03-11 07:26:33 AM
6 votes:
We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.
2013-03-11 06:41:29 AM
6 votes:
What does the military have to do with High School? I fail to understand the rage here.
2013-03-11 07:59:06 AM
5 votes:

clkeagle: If going to the graduation ceremony is his goal, he should dress the same as his classmates


Exactly.

Graduation is an academic achievement.  The uniform of the day is your cap and gown.  He will have the opportunity to wear a uniform to his graduation from basic training.

Now this delicate snowflake is not even a Marine yet.  Someone needs to forward this article on to his drill instructors at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot that he will be attending.

/Marine
/
2013-03-11 07:56:10 AM
5 votes:
It can be nice when someone bends the rules for a veteran. Expecting special treatment and then biatching when you don't get it is flat out douchebaggery. We already worship the military too much and we shouldn't come down on anyone just because they aren't willing to prostrate themselves before anyone in a uniform.
2013-03-11 07:53:13 AM
5 votes:

Typhoid: Interesting that he and his family don't get the concept of a UNIFORM that everyone is expected to wear at graduation.


This, only without the preceding sentence.

The cap & gown has a symbolic purpose. If you're making a special effort to attend the ceremony, participate in it properly.
2013-03-11 07:46:16 AM
5 votes:
Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.
2013-03-11 08:51:34 AM
4 votes:

Weaver95: BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.

You aren't a patriot. I'm sorry but you aren't. I know you like to think you are but I've never seen anything from you that would indicate that you understand what it means to be an American citizen. You ape the words and go thru the motions but that's it.


Can we also stop overworking the term "patriot"?  You can be patriotic but I think patriot needs to be reserved for the special case.  Don't get me started about calling everyone who participates in an organization or was present/maimed/killed at an event a "hero".  I'll take a quote from The Incredibles:  "when everyone is special, no one is special."

//20 years Navy...don't thank me for my service, I had a blast.
2013-03-11 05:54:37 AM
4 votes:
Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.
2013-03-11 08:15:38 AM
3 votes:
Non event.

They are making an exception by allowing him to walk, it is a school not military event there is no need to make an exception for him.
2013-03-11 08:11:41 AM
3 votes:

Public Savant: Can they make him wear tutu all through training?
Please?


No, but he will wear some other pretty terrible outfits.

He is going to spend the next few months wearing  exactly the same thing that everyone around him wears.  Even the slightest discrepancy will be cause for remedial intensive training.

He is going to have a particularly rough time because one of the main lessons that he will learn is: the Marine Corps does not really care about you as an individual; you are not remarkably special just because you went to boot camp.

As a poolee, he really does not rate to talk about the principle of wearing the uniform.
2013-03-11 07:56:02 AM
3 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.


As a non-American, this is how it seems to me, but I am always surprised by the special way Americans treat their marines. In this case it seems to me like the principal is still being a moran, if he allows Dress Blues, does that automatically mean he has to allow peekaboo nipple dresses?
Mmmm, a problem here. A clash between American military worship and American zero tolerance. Can both sides lose?

A question though, given that American schools have no uniform, is there usually a dress code at a graduation (and would a uniform clash with that uniform?)
And, why would a principal need to know in advance what you plan to wear?
2013-03-11 07:54:02 AM
3 votes:
Hey, I am not a junior psycho who loves his country so much that he will blindly follow orders and kill brown people while living on government handouts. Where is my exception from rules for actually working?
2013-03-11 02:02:18 AM
3 votes:
Don't you have to complete training before you get to wear the uniform?
2013-03-11 01:50:02 AM
3 votes:
it's all about the principal, subby.
2013-03-11 10:07:02 AM
2 votes:
You aren't a soldier or marine until you get your MOS, sorry homey, just graduating basic doesn't cut it.  Unless we can actually do something with you other than area beautification, you can suck a dick.  Also, this kid is obviously a giant homo and is going to get absolutely eviscerated by his first unit.
2013-03-11 09:11:08 AM
2 votes:
I think subby needs to spend about 4 years in the military, and then, he might rethink his use of the "asinine" tag.  The graduate, who is not currently a Marine, and will not be a Marine until (if) he graduates from Boot Camp, has already bumped into his first object lesson at Uniformity, Order, and Discipline.  The school has a policy - the ceremony is a cap & gown ceremony, not a cap & gown and whateverthehell else you feel like wearing ceremony.  Follow orders - without argument.  If he ever wants to graduate boot camp that'll become second nature.

Now, I don't believe that there's a policy against what the guy wears underneath the cap & gown.  Wear the blues underneath, and proudly wear your service uniform after the school requirements have been met.
2013-03-11 09:06:47 AM
2 votes:
It's a high school graduation. There is a uniform for high school graduations. It's a cap and gown. You wear the appropriate uniform for the event, not what you choose to wear.
2013-03-11 08:33:12 AM
2 votes:
The solution's obviously the one that was used in the similar previous Pennsylvania case - have his superior officer order him to attend his HS graduation in cap & gown.  Done.
2013-03-11 08:18:38 AM
2 votes:

Sybarite: Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.


We do? I thought we mostly expected them to be obedient citizen-workers who don't cause trouble and consume whatever shiny thing gets dangled in front of them.


Sounds about right. We demand total obedeience and then think we are a bunch of rugged indivualists. Step outta line tho and we will crush you. Shut up and buy an iPhone ya commie!
2013-03-11 08:12:59 AM
2 votes:

kayanlau: With that attitude, I don't see this boy making it through training.


I do, I did the same thing.  Skipped my high school graduation ceremony, skipped my bachelor's ceremony, and then was going to skip my master's ceremony until my mom begged me to go so she could see me graduate something.

High school is a joke, and should be treated as such.
2013-03-11 08:03:14 AM
2 votes:
School has rules and this guy is gonna have to follow a lot of rules when he's in the Core. Better start now.
2013-03-11 07:57:50 AM
2 votes:

BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.


You aren't a patriot. I'm sorry but you aren't. I know you like to think you are but I've never seen anything from you that would indicate that you understand what it means to be an American citizen. You ape the words and go thru the motions but that's it.
2013-03-11 02:05:04 AM
2 votes:
Don't you have to graduate high school, or GED at least, before you're allowed into the military?
2013-03-11 06:41:47 PM
1 votes:
This kid just wants to show what a farking example he is.  Come back when you've done something and have your parade then, don't borrow the glory of those who came before you before you've earned it.
2013-03-11 02:30:18 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: "If I'm not going to be able to wear my dress blues, I'm just not going to walk. It's not that important to me," Hamlin said

Well if he doesn't care, and the principle doesn't care, and I know I certainly don't care; then why was this article created?

IN OTHER NEWS!!!! -- TUMBLEWEED ROLLS DOWN LONE TEXAS ROAD
2013-03-11 01:29:52 PM
1 votes:

i upped my meds-up yours: The Hudson Patch comments are going both ways, with ex-military folks say shut up and wear the damn gown, and patreeotic mur'cans saying skullfark the feminazi principal.


I'm neither a Marine nor a patriotic 'Murikan (I'm too soshalest to qualify) so I'll break the tie. Shut up and wear the damn gown.

To be fair, he may not be entirely the whiny tantrum-throwing disgrace to our beloved Core that we're making him out to be:

Hamlin said he didn't want to make a big deal out of the matter, but his sister Tiffiny Bradley posted information about it on multiple Twin Cities media Facebook pages.

Sister-like typing detected.
2013-03-11 12:56:53 PM
1 votes:

The WindowLicker: We love to make fun of the Navy, but you will never hear me say bad things about any doc.  (even if their solution to everything is to drink more water and change your socks.)


They may have very good reasons for insisting that people do this.
2013-03-11 12:24:14 PM
1 votes:
His pre-boot ass needs to shut up and do as he's told. The uniform of the day isn't your pretty dress blues with a pizza stain, pizza box and what I can only assume will be no rank. It is a cap and gown. Don't be stupid. Don't attract attention to yourself. If your new drill instructors catch wind of this crap, you may as well have prematurely gotten an Eagle, Globe, and Anchor moto tattoo as well. You will be hazed. You will not graduate boot camp on time. You are making us veterans looks like a bunch of whiny biatches to which there is no making happy, and you haven't even earned that right yet. Stop getting all these "patriots" riled up ready to "fight" for your right to wear your uniform.
2013-03-11 10:48:09 AM
1 votes:

Pockafrusta: HotWingConspiracy: p51d007: I'd tell that b*tch to kiss my a$$ & wear it anyway.

No you wouldn't.

I would. But i'm into confrontation and escalation when I know I am right. I'd call every local news crew and have them follow me to graduation... The principal would fold.


Yeah no. That's a cool plot for a 1980's high school movie though.

Just telling her to kiss your ass would be all the cover she'd need. Your umbrage parade would be all for naught.
2013-03-11 10:06:31 AM
1 votes:
Uniform of the Day. If he's a Marine, he'll know what it means.
2013-03-11 09:58:54 AM
1 votes:

awshat: I think subby needs to spend about 4 years in the military, and then, he might rethink his use of the "asinine" tag.


It always seems like the people who have had nothing to do with the military are the ones who cry "patriotism!" and "respect the troops!" the loudest.  Meanwhile, the ones who served even 4 years, while maintaining a healthy respect for those who have as well, will also be the first to point out that military members can also be complete jackasses and do not automatically deserve unmitigated respect.
2013-03-11 09:52:14 AM
1 votes:

milowitz: School has rules and this guy is gonna have to follow a lot of rules when he's in the Core. Better start now.


THIS.

If he wants to be a special snowflake exempt from the rules all his peers face then he's really going into the wrong line of work.
2013-03-11 09:52:09 AM
1 votes:
Military dress uniform at prom, where any formal wear is accepted? GOOD.
Military dress uniform at a graduation ceremony where a specific ceremony uniform is required? BAD.
2013-03-11 09:22:30 AM
1 votes:
I'll sometimes ask for special treatment (does your movie theater offer a military discount?) but it's rare and when I'm informed the establishment doesn't provide it I don't get butthurt and run to the media.  Just because I sat on a base for a year doing nothing doesn't mean the rules don't apply to me.  Marine should be grateful that he is being allowed to attend the ceremony, not raise a shiatstorm.
2013-03-11 08:42:23 AM
1 votes:
Let's first see if he gets through boot.

/eggs before hatched and all that
2013-03-11 08:32:48 AM
1 votes:
I'm ok with this. I'm sure she can't just wear her HS clothes in the Marines, either. Time and place for everything.

So much for the military making men (or women, as the case may be) out of boys and girls.
2013-03-11 08:29:39 AM
1 votes:
I'd be surprised if anyone were pissed at a principal for requiring everyone walking at graduation to wear a cap & gown.

As the letter from the school district states, she hasn't even <i>received a formal request</i> to allow him to wear dress blues; all he did was ask her.  So he hasn't even been officially denied permission, though it probably would be denied.

Personally, my HS had a few enlistees in its graduating class too.  Their standing practice was that everyone wore cap & gown, and a suit or dress underneath.  A military uniform was considered perfectly fine to wear under the cap & gown.  I'd bet it would be fine here too.  The guy needs to suck it up and be a big boy now.
2013-03-11 08:26:57 AM
1 votes:
2.bp.blogspot.com

Stop being an attention whore, Marine.
2013-03-11 08:23:13 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Rufus Lee King: The ceremony is for everyone in the graduating class; not just for him.

I find this attitude extremely puzzling. Why this weird and obsessive urge towards conformity?


What's the alternative?  Everyone just do whatever they want?  How is that any better?  Sometimes there is something to be said for holding a ceremony wrapped in tradition.  It brings a connection to those who came before and can make it more meaningful.
2013-03-11 08:21:57 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Rufus Lee King: The ceremony is for everyone in the graduating class; not just for him.

I find this attitude extremely puzzling. Why this weird and obsessive urge towards conformity?


What I find odd that a person who has joined the military is all butthurt about being asked to dress uniformly in a ceremony.
2013-03-11 08:20:44 AM
1 votes:

SnarfVader: I couldn't get it out of my seabag.


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2013-03-11 08:12:56 AM
1 votes:
He might want to get used to following orders and not whining to daddy/press about every perceived slight against him.
2013-03-11 08:10:01 AM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: HotWingConspiracy: Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.

As a non-American, this is how it seems to me, but I am always surprised by the special way Americans treat their marines. In this case it seems to me like the principal is still being a moran, if he allows Dress Blues, does that automatically mean he has to allow peekaboo nipple dresses?
Mmmm, a problem here. A clash between American military worship and American zero tolerance. Can both sides lose?

A question though, given that American schools have no uniform, is there usually a dress code at a graduation (and would a uniform clash with that uniform?)
And, why would a principal need to know in advance what you plan to wear?


You're supposed to wear something semi-formal with the cap and gown over it. And yes, if you allow one exception you've now lost any ability to deny other exceptions. It's just the way it is here.
2013-03-11 08:05:36 AM
1 votes:
I'm on the school's side on this.

"If I'm not going to be able to wear my dress blues, I'm just not going to walk. It's not that important to me," Hamlin said. "It's not about the clothes, it's about the principle."

Really, boy? Just because you decided to go through the Marines boot camp and come back, you get to break the school rules?

Being in the military means you follow your commanding officer's orders. Since you're still under your high school's authority, they tell you what to do and what rules to follow.

With that attitude, I don't see this boy making it through training.
2013-03-11 08:04:10 AM
1 votes:
In my day (1970), bootcamp was not the end of training. I had another 2 months of training after boot camp. That is if he isn't assigned mess duty before it's all over.
2013-03-11 07:55:32 AM
1 votes:
He didn't really care.  It was his sister that made a big deal out of it.

/graduated HS a year early and didn't walk
//didn't walk for my bachelor's either
///won't walk for my master's next year.
2013-03-11 07:54:37 AM
1 votes:
Salute to u principle...The young man should understand he was fighting for our democracy...Where EVERYONE should be treated equal...
2013-03-11 07:43:18 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.




Double irony when we object to them conforming to a different standard.
2013-03-11 07:41:08 AM
1 votes:

BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.


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2013-03-11 06:26:13 AM
1 votes:

SnarfVader: doglover: Don't you have to graduate high school, or GED at least, before you're allowed into the military?

He did. He completed it early and wants to go to the ceremony, which will be held in June.


I never got to go to any of my graduation ceremonies for similar reasons. I was always graduatin' early with tricksy credit whoring and summer classes. I've since been to many others' ceremonies.

I don't think he's missing anything.
2013-03-11 06:05:11 AM
1 votes:

DrPainMD: Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.


He will be barely out of boot camp and most certainly not finished with his enlistment.

/My uncle threw all his uniforms into Puget Sound when he got out of the Navy back in the early 70's.
//Since I was on subs, I got rid of mine when I got out because they had that "boat smell." I wasn't dragging that around in civilian life.
///CSB
 
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