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(Patch)   Cool: Marine returns to high school and graduates. Bad: principal denies request to wear dress blue uniform. "if people wanted to wear different things for other reasons she would feel like she would have to allow that stuff too"   (hudson-wi.patch.com) divider line 167
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2013-03-11 08:21:45 AM  
Looks like the terrorists have won
 
2013-03-11 08:21:57 AM  

Weaver95: Rufus Lee King: The ceremony is for everyone in the graduating class; not just for him.

I find this attitude extremely puzzling. Why this weird and obsessive urge towards conformity?


What I find odd that a person who has joined the military is all butthurt about being asked to dress uniformly in a ceremony.
 
2013-03-11 08:23:13 AM  

Weaver95: Rufus Lee King: The ceremony is for everyone in the graduating class; not just for him.

I find this attitude extremely puzzling. Why this weird and obsessive urge towards conformity?


What's the alternative?  Everyone just do whatever they want?  How is that any better?  Sometimes there is something to be said for holding a ceremony wrapped in tradition.  It brings a connection to those who came before and can make it more meaningful.
 
2013-03-11 08:26:57 AM  
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Stop being an attention whore, Marine.
 
2013-03-11 08:29:39 AM  
I'd be surprised if anyone were pissed at a principal for requiring everyone walking at graduation to wear a cap & gown.

As the letter from the school district states, she hasn't even <i>received a formal request</i> to allow him to wear dress blues; all he did was ask her.  So he hasn't even been officially denied permission, though it probably would be denied.

Personally, my HS had a few enlistees in its graduating class too.  Their standing practice was that everyone wore cap & gown, and a suit or dress underneath.  A military uniform was considered perfectly fine to wear under the cap & gown.  I'd bet it would be fine here too.  The guy needs to suck it up and be a big boy now.
 
2013-03-11 08:32:48 AM  
I'm ok with this. I'm sure she can't just wear her HS clothes in the Marines, either. Time and place for everything.

So much for the military making men (or women, as the case may be) out of boys and girls.
 
2013-03-11 08:33:12 AM  
The solution's obviously the one that was used in the similar previous Pennsylvania case - have his superior officer order him to attend his HS graduation in cap & gown.  Done.
 
2013-03-11 08:37:48 AM  
Are dress blues the class A uniform in the Marines?  In the army, dress blues meant full-dress uniforms and only lifers had those.
 
2013-03-11 08:39:16 AM  
Maybe when fireman visit for school safety day etc... they should have them all wear dinner jackets and ties.
or a smking jacket and ascot.     Do it for everyone.      And always request wingtips.  No exceptions.
 
2013-03-11 08:40:12 AM  
Is this the school where subby learned spelling?
 
2013-03-11 08:42:23 AM  
Let's first see if he gets through boot.

/eggs before hatched and all that
 
2013-03-11 08:43:06 AM  
such a tool
 
2013-03-11 08:44:58 AM  
I don't think this will be a problem once he gets though boot. Some one there will teach him there is a time and place to wear each one of his uniforms.

That's if he makes it though.

Thanks for your service now stop AW-ing
 
2013-03-11 08:46:09 AM  
Holy fark, it's only a high school graduation. Who cares?
 
2013-03-11 08:47:18 AM  
I remember being in traffic court somewhere in Virginia. It was like the Village People Cosplay Convention was in town. All the nurses stopped in to contest their tickets while on the way to work in full scrubs and the one VMI cadet had his dress uniform on. The construction worker had on a crisp,white tank top and form helmet while the Indian was dressed in his finest war dress.
 
2013-03-11 08:47:22 AM  
In my experience, women in positions of power are even more sticklers for "We've always done things this way ergo we have to always do things this way." than guys are.
 
2013-03-11 08:51:24 AM  
This is not a military function, he's graduating high school. Let him attention whore somewhere else. I'm sure he's proud of his accomplishment, but everyone else is there to get a diploma.
 
2013-03-11 08:51:34 AM  

Weaver95: BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.

You aren't a patriot. I'm sorry but you aren't. I know you like to think you are but I've never seen anything from you that would indicate that you understand what it means to be an American citizen. You ape the words and go thru the motions but that's it.


Can we also stop overworking the term "patriot"?  You can be patriotic but I think patriot needs to be reserved for the special case.  Don't get me started about calling everyone who participates in an organization or was present/maimed/killed at an event a "hero".  I'll take a quote from The Incredibles:  "when everyone is special, no one is special."

//20 years Navy...don't thank me for my service, I had a blast.
 
2013-03-11 08:52:43 AM  
The Corps will get the whiney little pussy out of him and teach him the meaning of the word "rule".

/no, I didn't attend my HS graduation ceremony. Why do you ask?
 
2013-03-11 08:53:18 AM  
The comments in TFA make me want to tear off my own head and eat it.
 
2013-03-11 09:03:46 AM  

GT_Frog: In my day (1970), bootcamp was not the end of training. I had another 2 months of training after boot camp. That is if he isn't assigned mess duty before it's all over.


When I completed USMC boot camp in 1988, most of us took some leave before advanced training to visit home.

/...and get laid.
 
2013-03-11 09:06:35 AM  

ADHD Librarian: HotWingConspiracy: Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.

As a non-American, this is how it seems to me, but I am always surprised by the special way Americans treat their marines. In this case it seems to me like the principal is still being a moran, if he allows Dress Blues, does that automatically mean he has to allow peekaboo nipple dresses?
Mmmm, a problem here. A clash between American military worship and American zero tolerance. Can both sides lose?

A question though, given that American schools have no uniform, is there usually a dress code at a graduation (and would a uniform clash with that uniform?)
And, why would a principal need to know in advance what you plan to wear?


Yes, there was a specific dress code at my high school graduation. Girls had to wear white dresses (we had white gowns, anything with color would have shown through) and white dress shoes; and the guys had to wear button-down shirts, tie and slacks (several of the male teachers went tie-less after lending theirs to the guys who forgot). The object of graduation is that everyone has accomplished the same thing academically, and you are honored based on that. Letting him wear his dress blues would just be giving him special treatment and taking the attention from the other students on their special day, as well.

If he graduates college, they'll probably let him wear his uniform. Mine had a special ceremony for officers and cadets.
 
2013-03-11 09:06:47 AM  
It's a high school graduation. There is a uniform for high school graduations. It's a cap and gown. You wear the appropriate uniform for the event, not what you choose to wear.
 
2013-03-11 09:11:08 AM  
I think subby needs to spend about 4 years in the military, and then, he might rethink his use of the "asinine" tag.  The graduate, who is not currently a Marine, and will not be a Marine until (if) he graduates from Boot Camp, has already bumped into his first object lesson at Uniformity, Order, and Discipline.  The school has a policy - the ceremony is a cap & gown ceremony, not a cap & gown and whateverthehell else you feel like wearing ceremony.  Follow orders - without argument.  If he ever wants to graduate boot camp that'll become second nature.

Now, I don't believe that there's a policy against what the guy wears underneath the cap & gown.  Wear the blues underneath, and proudly wear your service uniform after the school requirements have been met.
 
2013-03-11 09:13:40 AM  

Cheviot: It's a high school graduation. There is a uniform for high school graduations. It's a cap and gown. You wear the appropriate uniform for the event, not what you choose to wear.


Fortunately for this kid, the Marine Corps has no such foolish rules and regulations. They will let him sleep in on Sunday, too.
 
2013-03-11 09:18:04 AM  
Can't he just rip off her head and piss down her neck while hollering oorah?
 
2013-03-11 09:21:26 AM  

SnarfVader: DrPainMD: Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.

He will be barely out of boot camp and most certainly not finished with his enlistment.

/My uncle threw all his uniforms into Puget Sound when he got out of the Navy back in the early 70's.
//Since I was on subs, I got rid of mine when I got out because they had that "boat smell." I wasn't dragging that around in civilian life.
///CSB


I still kept a one uniform (not sure why). Funny thing though, when you get out and wake up that first morning and say "wait, I don't have to get up this early and go do PT"...and make that a habit for about a year...you'll find that all of the sudden those uniforms don't quite fit like they used to for some reason.
 
2013-03-11 09:22:30 AM  
I'll sometimes ask for special treatment (does your movie theater offer a military discount?) but it's rare and when I'm informed the establishment doesn't provide it I don't get butthurt and run to the media.  Just because I sat on a base for a year doing nothing doesn't mean the rules don't apply to me.  Marine should be grateful that he is being allowed to attend the ceremony, not raise a shiatstorm.
 
2013-03-11 09:26:00 AM  

Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.


I question that.  There are now "Parent's basement acceptance" circle jerks among the overgrown children who can't manage living on their own, telling each other why it is so cool to save money and how it isn't their fault anyway because all the boomers took their jerbs.   Now they get to stay on mommy and daddy's insurance until they are 25.

We no longer encourage independence and individuality in our children any more, for the most part.

I generalize.  But I also have the wisdom of decades of observation.
 
2013-03-11 09:30:52 AM  
just because you're in the military that doesn't mean you get every rule waived for you.
 
2013-03-11 09:32:27 AM  
At my high school graduation we had to wear white tuxes.  We looked like a group of Leisure Suit Larrys.
 
2013-03-11 09:34:09 AM  

BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.


Or a Priest

/Think of the children
 
2013-03-11 09:37:30 AM  
Military uniforms are dangerous. They shut down a school district last week when a soldier went to a school in uniform to pick up his transcripts. Think of the children for once why dont you.
 
2013-03-11 09:41:04 AM  
So, someone who joined a conformist institution want to use its uniform in order to be a non-conformist?
 
2013-03-11 09:52:09 AM  
Military dress uniform at prom, where any formal wear is accepted? GOOD.
Military dress uniform at a graduation ceremony where a specific ceremony uniform is required? BAD.
 
2013-03-11 09:52:14 AM  

milowitz: School has rules and this guy is gonna have to follow a lot of rules when he's in the Core. Better start now.


THIS.

If he wants to be a special snowflake exempt from the rules all his peers face then he's really going into the wrong line of work.
 
2013-03-11 09:58:54 AM  

awshat: I think subby needs to spend about 4 years in the military, and then, he might rethink his use of the "asinine" tag.


It always seems like the people who have had nothing to do with the military are the ones who cry "patriotism!" and "respect the troops!" the loudest.  Meanwhile, the ones who served even 4 years, while maintaining a healthy respect for those who have as well, will also be the first to point out that military members can also be complete jackasses and do not automatically deserve unmitigated respect.
 
2013-03-11 09:59:56 AM  

Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.


Well, mindless conformity comes in damn handy when you're going into the Corps.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:30 AM  

BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.


You're assuming that some jerk doesn't already want to wear his clown suit.

That's a pretty big assumption.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:31 AM  
Uniform of the Day. If he's a Marine, he'll know what it means.
 
2013-03-11 10:07:02 AM  
You aren't a soldier or marine until you get your MOS, sorry homey, just graduating basic doesn't cut it.  Unless we can actually do something with you other than area beautification, you can suck a dick.  Also, this kid is obviously a giant homo and is going to get absolutely eviscerated by his first unit.
 
2013-03-11 10:17:16 AM  
The Hudson Patch comments are going both ways, with ex-military folks say shut up and wear the damn gown, and patreeotic mur'cans saying skullfark the feminazi principal.
 
2013-03-11 10:21:41 AM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: You aren't a soldier or marine until you get your MOS, sorry homey


Not true at all. Once you swear (or affirm) your oath, you are a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine. Boot is basic military training. Advanced Individual Training (or Tech School, as the Navy and USAF call it), is supplemental. It is not absolutely required in an oh shiat situation.
 
2013-03-11 10:23:16 AM  
If he has a problem with obeying pointless, arbitrary regulations...then a military career might not be for him.
 
2013-03-11 10:26:24 AM  

JackieRabbit: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: You aren't a soldier or marine until you get your MOS, sorry homey

Not true at all. Once you swear (or affirm) your oath, you are a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine.


Marines, as they often do, take exception to this. Boot is not just their training, it's their sacred rite. You are a mere shiatbird from entry till graduation.
 
2013-03-11 10:27:21 AM  
He wants to be a Marine and doesn't understand the concept of the Uniform of the Day?  He should join the Navy if he's going to be that dumb.
 
2013-03-11 10:28:17 AM  
Subby needs more coffee. The article doesn't say the guy returned to high school. It says he finished early.
 
2013-03-11 10:31:38 AM  
I'd tell that b*tch to kiss my a$$ & wear it anyway.
 
2013-03-11 10:35:29 AM  

p51d007: I'd tell that b*tch to kiss my a$$ & wear it anyway.


No you wouldn't.
 
2013-03-11 10:39:21 AM  
SSDD. More power tripping school administrators making stupid decisions. Happened at my school during my graduation. Some dude had the credits to graduate early.... Went to boot camp, made it back in time to walk with the senior class in his dress blues. We thought nothing of it... Until now.
 
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