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(Patch)   Cool: Marine returns to high school and graduates. Bad: principal denies request to wear dress blue uniform. "if people wanted to wear different things for other reasons she would feel like she would have to allow that stuff too"   (hudson-wi.patch.com) divider line 167
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2013-03-11 01:50:02 AM  
it's all about the principal, subby.
 
2013-03-11 02:02:18 AM  
Don't you have to complete training before you get to wear the uniform?
 
2013-03-11 02:05:04 AM  
Don't you have to graduate high school, or GED at least, before you're allowed into the military?
 
2013-03-11 02:49:14 AM  
Maybe we have located the source of the current pandemic of bad judgement. It's being taught in the schools.
 
2013-03-11 05:41:59 AM  

doglover: Don't you have to graduate high school, or GED at least, before you're allowed into the military?


He did. He completed it early and wants to go to the ceremony, which will be held in June.
 
2013-03-11 05:54:37 AM  
Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.
 
2013-03-11 06:05:11 AM  

DrPainMD: Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.


He will be barely out of boot camp and most certainly not finished with his enlistment.

/My uncle threw all his uniforms into Puget Sound when he got out of the Navy back in the early 70's.
//Since I was on subs, I got rid of mine when I got out because they had that "boat smell." I wasn't dragging that around in civilian life.
///CSB
 
2013-03-11 06:26:13 AM  

SnarfVader: doglover: Don't you have to graduate high school, or GED at least, before you're allowed into the military?

He did. He completed it early and wants to go to the ceremony, which will be held in June.


I never got to go to any of my graduation ceremonies for similar reasons. I was always graduatin' early with tricksy credit whoring and summer classes. I've since been to many others' ceremonies.

I don't think he's missing anything.
 
2013-03-11 06:41:29 AM  
What does the military have to do with High School? I fail to understand the rage here.
 
2013-03-11 07:26:33 AM  
We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.
 
2013-03-11 07:37:45 AM  
I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.
 
2013-03-11 07:41:03 AM  
If going to the graduation ceremony is his goal, he should dress the same as his classmates.

This sounds more like he wants to wear his blues to impress everyone.

/My AF blues are for military or personal functions like my wedding. I own a civilian suit for other occasions.
 
2013-03-11 07:41:08 AM  

BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.


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2013-03-11 07:41:54 AM  
 
2013-03-11 07:42:15 AM  
Just wear your uniform under the gown and flash everybody when you get called up to stage.
 
2013-03-11 07:42:35 AM  
Oh goody, another soldier demanding special treatment and then whining to the media when he doesn't get it.

Interesting that he and his family don't get the concept of a UNIFORM that everyone is expected to wear at graduation.
 
2013-03-11 07:43:18 AM  

Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.




Double irony when we object to them conforming to a different standard.
 
2013-03-11 07:43:27 AM  

SnarfVader

DrPainMD:
Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.

He will be barely out of boot camp and most certainly not finished with his enlistment.

/My uncle threw all his uniforms into Puget Sound when he got out of the Navy back in the early 70's.
//Since I was on subs, I got rid of mine when I got out because they had that "boat smell." I wasn't dragging that around in civilian life.
///CSB


The Army boots made decent motorcycle boots and I went on countless interviews wearing the Army Class A Tan long sleeve shirt and a super wide tie I found at Goodwill. Didn't get any of those jobs. In retrospect, I guess I should have worn pants.
 
2013-03-11 07:46:16 AM  
Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.
 
2013-03-11 07:49:14 AM  
I imagine he's welcome to wear his dress blues under his cap and gown, but the cap and gown IS the uniform of a graduation ceremony.
 
2013-03-11 07:50:53 AM  
www.hudsonstarobserver.com

Hudson High School Principal Laura Love. Looks like the cancellation of Scrubs devastated John C. McGinley.
 
2013-03-11 07:53:13 AM  

Typhoid: Interesting that he and his family don't get the concept of a UNIFORM that everyone is expected to wear at graduation.


This, only without the preceding sentence.

The cap & gown has a symbolic purpose. If you're making a special effort to attend the ceremony, participate in it properly.
 
2013-03-11 07:53:29 AM  
DrPainMD:
Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.

I hope you kept the boots.  I wore mine all winter for years, saved me a lot of money.

SnarfVader:
"boat smell."

Combination of industrial detergent, marine paint, oil and 100 other people's BO?  Just guessing here.
 
2013-03-11 07:54:02 AM  
Hey, I am not a junior psycho who loves his country so much that he will blindly follow orders and kill brown people while living on government handouts. Where is my exception from rules for actually working?
 
2013-03-11 07:54:37 AM  
Salute to u principle...The young man should understand he was fighting for our democracy...Where EVERYONE should be treated equal...
 
2013-03-11 07:55:32 AM  
He didn't really care.  It was his sister that made a big deal out of it.

/graduated HS a year early and didn't walk
//didn't walk for my bachelor's either
///won't walk for my master's next year.
 
2013-03-11 07:56:02 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.


As a non-American, this is how it seems to me, but I am always surprised by the special way Americans treat their marines. In this case it seems to me like the principal is still being a moran, if he allows Dress Blues, does that automatically mean he has to allow peekaboo nipple dresses?
Mmmm, a problem here. A clash between American military worship and American zero tolerance. Can both sides lose?

A question though, given that American schools have no uniform, is there usually a dress code at a graduation (and would a uniform clash with that uniform?)
And, why would a principal need to know in advance what you plan to wear?
 
2013-03-11 07:56:10 AM  
It can be nice when someone bends the rules for a veteran. Expecting special treatment and then biatching when you don't get it is flat out douchebaggery. We already worship the military too much and we shouldn't come down on anyone just because they aren't willing to prostrate themselves before anyone in a uniform.
 
2013-03-11 07:57:50 AM  

BillCo: I'm as patriotic as the next guy and probably more so than most of the Fark hippies, but I have to agree with the principal.  Let this guy wear his uniform and the next thing you know, some jerk is going to want to wear a clown suit.


You aren't a patriot. I'm sorry but you aren't. I know you like to think you are but I've never seen anything from you that would indicate that you understand what it means to be an American citizen. You ape the words and go thru the motions but that's it.
 
2013-03-11 07:58:09 AM  
I knew I wanted to be a doctor all through high school. Does that mean I could have worn scrubs to graduation, even I didn't complete the necessary training or requirements?
 
2013-03-11 07:59:06 AM  

clkeagle: If going to the graduation ceremony is his goal, he should dress the same as his classmates


Exactly.

Graduation is an academic achievement.  The uniform of the day is your cap and gown.  He will have the opportunity to wear a uniform to his graduation from basic training.

Now this delicate snowflake is not even a Marine yet.  Someone needs to forward this article on to his drill instructors at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot that he will be attending.

/Marine
/
 
2013-03-11 07:59:32 AM  

FarKY502: Salute to u principle...The young man should understand he was fighting for our democracy...Where EVERYONE should be treated equal...


AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISMS! Yay!
 
2013-03-11 08:01:06 AM  

No Such Agency: DrPainMD:
Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.

I hope you kept the boots.  I wore mine all winter for years, saved me a lot of money.

SnarfVader:
"boat smell."

Combination of industrial detergent, marine paint, oil and 100 other people's BO?  Just guessing here.


Living in a submarine hygiene is a joke,
you don't use shampoo and you don't use soap,
Down by the bathroom hear the 'tanky' swear:
"You'd better not waste any water in there!"

On the surface on the bottom or somewhere in between,
it really doesn't matter if you're dirty or you're clean,
Able Seaman, Chiefy, the Skipper or the Queen,
nobody showers in a submarine.

On a diesel boat you've got no water to spare,
you can't use the shower, stow the beer in there,
You're oily and grimy for a month or so,
on 'up-channel-night' to the bathroom you go.

Two basins of water and a pint beer mug,
get your lagging off and get ready to scrub,
Put some green jelly on a scratchy pad,
grit your teeth and start scrubbing like mad.

When you're red as lobster then you're ready to rinse,
some foo-foo dust will make you smell like a prince
The last of the water's just enough for your teeth
so finish up pronto make some room for the Chief.

Next evening at the disco in your sharp civvy clothes,
every girl around you starts holding her nose,
For the way that you smell there is no antidote,
they can tell that you're a sailor on a diesel boat.
 
2013-03-11 08:03:14 AM  
School has rules and this guy is gonna have to follow a lot of rules when he's in the Core. Better start now.
 
2013-03-11 08:03:48 AM  

The WindowLicker:
Now this delicate snowflake is not even a Marine yet.  Someone needs to forward this article on to his drill instructors at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot that he will be attending.

/Marine
/


Can they make him wear tutu all through training?
Please?
 
2013-03-11 08:04:10 AM  
In my day (1970), bootcamp was not the end of training. I had another 2 months of training after boot camp. That is if he isn't assigned mess duty before it's all over.
 
2013-03-11 08:04:12 AM  

Rufus Lee King: The ceremony is for everyone in the graduating class; not just for him.


I find this attitude extremely puzzling. Why this weird and obsessive urge towards conformity?
 
2013-03-11 08:05:36 AM  
I'm on the school's side on this.

"If I'm not going to be able to wear my dress blues, I'm just not going to walk. It's not that important to me," Hamlin said. "It's not about the clothes, it's about the principle."

Really, boy? Just because you decided to go through the Marines boot camp and come back, you get to break the school rules?

Being in the military means you follow your commanding officer's orders. Since you're still under your high school's authority, they tell you what to do and what rules to follow.

With that attitude, I don't see this boy making it through training.
 
2013-03-11 08:07:46 AM  

ADHD Librarian: I am always surprised by the special way Americans treat their marines.


Well really we only like the ones who've been shot at and/or killed people we don't like. The rest are jerks.
 
2013-03-11 08:09:36 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: [www.hudsonstarobserver.com image 330x450]

Hudson High School Principal Laura Love. Looks like the cancellation of Scrubs devastated John C. McGinley.


indeed she does. and whats up with her rodential incisors and penciled in eyebrows?
 
2013-03-11 08:10:01 AM  

ADHD Librarian: HotWingConspiracy: Attention whore denied prime whoring opportunity, turns to media to satiate whorish needs. Film at 11.

As a non-American, this is how it seems to me, but I am always surprised by the special way Americans treat their marines. In this case it seems to me like the principal is still being a moran, if he allows Dress Blues, does that automatically mean he has to allow peekaboo nipple dresses?
Mmmm, a problem here. A clash between American military worship and American zero tolerance. Can both sides lose?

A question though, given that American schools have no uniform, is there usually a dress code at a graduation (and would a uniform clash with that uniform?)
And, why would a principal need to know in advance what you plan to wear?


You're supposed to wear something semi-formal with the cap and gown over it. And yes, if you allow one exception you've now lost any ability to deny other exceptions. It's just the way it is here.
 
2013-03-11 08:11:26 AM  
Wear what you want under your cap and gown.  It's a high school rite of passage, tradition, call it what you want.  If you want to be a non conformist, then skip the ceremony and be a non conformist.  Don't attend a conformist event if you want to be "special."
 
2013-03-11 08:11:41 AM  

Public Savant: Can they make him wear tutu all through training?
Please?


No, but he will wear some other pretty terrible outfits.

He is going to spend the next few months wearing  exactly the same thing that everyone around him wears.  Even the slightest discrepancy will be cause for remedial intensive training.

He is going to have a particularly rough time because one of the main lessons that he will learn is: the Marine Corps does not really care about you as an individual; you are not remarkably special just because you went to boot camp.

As a poolee, he really does not rate to talk about the principle of wearing the uniform.
 
2013-03-11 08:12:56 AM  
He might want to get used to following orders and not whining to daddy/press about every perceived slight against him.
 
2013-03-11 08:12:59 AM  

kayanlau: With that attitude, I don't see this boy making it through training.


I do, I did the same thing.  Skipped my high school graduation ceremony, skipped my bachelor's ceremony, and then was going to skip my master's ceremony until my mom begged me to go so she could see me graduate something.

High school is a joke, and should be treated as such.
 
2013-03-11 08:13:36 AM  

No Such Agency: DrPainMD:
Why would he want to do that? The day I got out of the service all my uniforms went into the garbage where they belonged.

I hope you kept the boots.  I wore mine all winter for years, saved me a lot of money.

SnarfVader:
"boat smell."

Combination of industrial detergent, marine paint, oil and 100 other people's BO?  Just guessing here.


Amine from the CO2 scrubbers. You get used to it underway, but with a few days away from the boat and you can really notice it on your clothes despite repeated washings. I couldn't get it out of my seabag. That was kind of a shame, too. Seabags were almost indestructible.
 
2013-03-11 08:14:26 AM  

Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.



We do? I thought we mostly expected them to be obedient citizen-workers who don't cause trouble and consume whatever shiny thing gets dangled in front of them.
 
2013-03-11 08:15:38 AM  
Non event.

They are making an exception by allowing him to walk, it is a school not military event there is no need to make an exception for him.
 
2013-03-11 08:18:38 AM  

Sybarite: Weaver95: We spend all that time and effort teaching kids to be mindless conformists, then expect them to be fully actualized adults once they graduate high school. We are a very strange society.


We do? I thought we mostly expected them to be obedient citizen-workers who don't cause trouble and consume whatever shiny thing gets dangled in front of them.


Sounds about right. We demand total obedeience and then think we are a bunch of rugged indivualists. Step outta line tho and we will crush you. Shut up and buy an iPhone ya commie!
 
2013-03-11 08:20:44 AM  

SnarfVader: I couldn't get it out of my seabag.


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