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2013-03-11 12:04:03 AM
Pauline!

Her name is Pauline!
 
2013-03-11 12:05:35 AM
 
2013-03-11 12:07:30 AM
 
2013-03-11 01:06:22 AM
Best dad ever!
 
2013-03-11 01:55:48 AM
Ooh, he switched sprite values.
 
2013-03-11 05:40:20 AM
I was amused by the timing of this story - breaking just a few days after Anita Sarkeesian's damsels in distress video.

/she's not a particularly good media critic
//but that first video was better than most of her work
 
2013-03-11 05:44:53 AM
Good for him.  Even if it wasn't hard, it was meaningful.
 
2013-03-11 05:46:35 AM
How ridiculous, Jumpman doesn't need some chick to save him.
 
2013-03-11 05:50:32 AM

jaylectricity: Ooh, he switched sprite values.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-11 06:22:46 AM
Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.
 
2013-03-11 06:40:41 AM
what does the daughter have against gay people being heros?
 
2013-03-11 06:58:09 AM

debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.


For crying out loud, SHE'S THREE!!!  It was a really nice thing for Dad to do.

And hacking Nintendo ROMs isn't new - go look at what the Tecmo Bowl community has been doing for years:

www.vizzed.com   www.vizzed.com   www.vizzed.com
 
2013-03-11 06:58:19 AM

debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.


You are at this moment talking about the purity and sanctity of Donkey farking Kong's vision.
 
2013-03-11 07:06:28 AM

UNC_Samurai: the Tecmo Bowl community


:-/
 
2013-03-11 07:07:45 AM
ROM hacking

Its a fun thing to do.

It also is a great way to introduce school age kids into learning a thing or two about computers
 
2013-03-11 07:38:29 AM

debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.


Do you know how I can tell you've never played Flight Simulator before?
 
2013-03-11 07:47:35 AM
Okay, so for all the people saying "oh, it's teh easy. Sprite value swap" -- can you show me a game where YOU modded the rom in this fashion? I mean, I know it's not exactly undoable, and that this IS Fark.com, where many nerdists play, but I'd still like to see it proven that we have the ability here.
 
2013-03-11 07:55:36 AM

sadbad: I was amused by the timing of this story - breaking just a few days after Anita Sarkeesian's damsels in distress video.

/she's not a particularly good media critic
//but that first video was better than most of her work



God damn it, she really is the definition of a successful troll.
 
2013-03-11 08:17:52 AM
A better dad would have just gotten her Dragon Quest 4. Plenty of female role models in there. One's even a princess.

Link
 
2013-03-11 08:37:59 AM

RockofAges: Okay, so for all the people saying "oh, it's teh easy. Sprite value swap" -- can you show me a game where YOU modded the rom in this fashion? I mean, I know it's not exactly undoable, and that this IS Fark.com, where many nerdists play, but I'd still like to see it proven that we have the ability here.


When I was 16, I hacked the Wizardry game on the Apple ][ by writing my own track & sector editor to directly modify the floppy disk the game came on.  (On a copy, obviously, because I didn't want to fark up the original).  Silly stuff for the most part, like making overpowered items and/or changing the names of monsters and other text (e.g. "You are being attacked by MEN IN PANTIES wielding SAUSAGES"), but it was still pretty cool to a kid starting out with computers.  When I was done, I realized I had had more fun writing the low-level floppy disk sector editor than I had messing with the game.  I polished it up and uploaded it to a bunch of BBS systems.  Hell, you can probably find one still running on a phone bank that someone forgot to turn off on his way out the door.
 
2013-03-11 08:39:43 AM
What's next? Will he paint his son's toenails? Will he point to his husband at the tiki bar when talking about his kindle?
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
 
2013-03-11 09:05:30 AM

tillerman35: RockofAges: Okay, so for all the people saying "oh, it's teh easy. Sprite value swap" -- can you show me a game where YOU modded the rom in this fashion? I mean, I know it's not exactly undoable, and that this IS Fark.com, where many nerdists play, but I'd still like to see it proven that we have the ability here.

When I was 16, I hacked the Wizardry game on the Apple ][ by writing my own track & sector editor to directly modify the floppy disk the game came on.  (On a copy, obviously, because I didn't want to fark up the original).  Silly stuff for the most part, like making overpowered items and/or changing the names of monsters and other text (e.g. "You are being attacked by MEN IN PANTIES wielding SAUSAGES"), but it was still pretty cool to a kid starting out with computers.  When I was done, I realized I had had more fun writing the low-level floppy disk sector editor than I had messing with the game.  I polished it up and uploaded it to a bunch of BBS systems.  Hell, you can probably find one still running on a phone bank that someone forgot to turn off on his way out the door.


This is awesome, and I like stories like this.

My own SHORT CSB is that a friend and I (I was head builder, did some mobprogs, low scripting, he was head coder) ran a successful (constant 20-50 playerbase) Ack!MUD for 3-4 years in the mid 90s. Shades of Evil, of course, was the most popular, but we ran Shadows of Paradise and The Ebony Star for a long period. Also scripted a dice and questbot for IRC back in the early EF / DALnet days, after #stronghold folded.

Still, romhacking I have no doubt is similar in scope, but I always like to see these kind of things for myself.
 
2013-03-11 09:12:05 AM
I hacked up an NHL '94 rom to reflect the ECHL 2007-08 season (Cincinnati Cyclones' first championship).  I used the real stats from that season to generate ratings, tried to set up realistic uniforms, and even hacked the logos.  The players even played realistically, with the Cyclones players having their correct strengths and weaknesses.  Mike Sgroi would even Sgroi Out at the appropriate time, late in the game that Elmira was losing.

I don't know where the rom is now.  I pretty much walked away from rom hacking at that point, because I didn't see where I could improve on that.  This story makes me want to get back into it again.
 
2013-03-11 09:14:50 AM
I always pretended it was Ron Jeremy going to "save" some large-breasted gutter-snipe.
Made the game more sexy.
 
2013-03-11 09:16:51 AM
IIRC, when Nintendo did make a game on the premise of the Princess rescuing Mario, it got mediocre reviews and was criticized for being more sexist (cliched stereotypes, etc) than a typical Mario game.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Princess_Peach
 
2013-03-11 09:20:15 AM

WhippingBoy: I always pretended it was Ron Jeremy going to "save" some large-breasted gutter-snipe.
Made the game more sexy.


Are you sure Mr. Jeremy wasn't the one who kidnapped Pauline in the first place?
 
2013-03-11 09:24:11 AM
"Daddy, will you send me to a plastic surgeon so I can look like Lara Croft?"
 
2013-03-11 09:26:55 AM

Doc Daneeka: IIRC, when Nintendo did make a game on the premise of the Princess rescuing Mario, it got mediocre reviews and was criticized for being more sexist (cliched stereotypes, etc) than a typical Mario game.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Princess_Peach


Super Princess Peach was a good game; my fiancee loves it. I have to admit it was quite creative and worked in the "Marioverse".
 
2013-03-11 09:28:09 AM

tillerman35: RockofAges: Okay, so for all the people saying "oh, it's teh easy. Sprite value swap" -- can you show me a game where YOU modded the rom in this fashion? I mean, I know it's not exactly undoable, and that this IS Fark.com, where many nerdists play, but I'd still like to see it proven that we have the ability here.

When I was 16, I hacked the Wizardry game on the Apple ][ by writing my own track & sector editor to directly modify the floppy disk the game came on.  (On a copy, obviously, because I didn't want to fark up the original).  Silly stuff for the most part, like making overpowered items and/or changing the names of monsters and other text (e.g. "You are being attacked by MEN IN PANTIES wielding SAUSAGES"), but it was still pretty cool to a kid starting out with computers.  When I was done, I realized I had had more fun writing the low-level floppy disk sector editor than I had messing with the game.  I polished it up and uploaded it to a bunch of BBS systems.  Hell, you can probably find one still running on a phone bank that someone forgot to turn off on his way out the door.


I did that a lot with my ATARI ST games.  Mostly I would go in with a Hex editor and change the ASCII text I could find with whatever craziness I wanted.  Quickly learned that the replacement string had to be the same size, and that I should make a backup of the EXE before modding it.

That sort of experience paid off when some juniors in high school were trying to lock down the "game" PC in computer class by replacing the "MK" beginning header on doom.exe.  I'm sure they were dumbfounded that I figured it out (and their easy-as-hell BIOS password).

/computer class was a frelling joke because the teacher didn't teach anything...
//everybody had a null modem cable, but they only knew it was needed to play multiplayer Doom
 
2013-03-11 09:48:21 AM

debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.


In all fairness, how much fun is donkey kong to a modern gamer as far as actually playing it?  Messing around with the code to make it do funny things is probably all the entertainment value that remains.
 
2013-03-11 10:02:37 AM

Jim_Callahan: debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.

In all fairness, how much fun is donkey kong to a modern gamer as far as actually playing it?  Messing around with the code to make it do funny things is probably all the entertainment value that remains.


Conversely, you could switch around Kong and the girl so that Mario is trying to rescue the captured gorilla from Peach's cosmetic lab.  It would be a big hit with the PETA crowd.
 
2013-03-11 10:20:11 AM
Cool I suppose. But not very note worthy.
 
2013-03-11 10:37:45 AM
Yeah, I would say changing graphics is probably one of the easier things to do with ROMs, especially if you are not trying to create any new graphics, although, I'd think he needed to make the girl jump, so, he did have to do a little bit more

On this similar vein... just wanted to point out my contribution to this type of hacking.... modified version of Arcade Tapper for MAME...... Simpson's Tapper....

www.freeladders.com
 
2013-03-11 11:02:32 AM
Sorry, Princess. Your plumber is in another castle.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:35 AM

taoistlumberjak: because I didn't see where I could improve on that


Automate the process so it could rebuild the ROM on demand from a separate data file. Then build the data file from a sports stats API. Make it available on the Web, so users could generate a ROM themselves at any time and it would be up-to-date with whatever the current stats were.

Anyway, cool story. You should be proud of your accomplishment. It's especially interesting that the players performed like their real-life counterparts.
 
2013-03-11 12:03:25 PM
Lame. He switched the characters, but not the bonus objects. So Pauline is picking up her *own* handbag and umbrella along the way, instead of Mario getting them for her. He should've switched those sprites too, so Pauline was grabbing Mario's hammer for bonus points, and smashing fireball and barrels with her handbag.
 
2013-03-11 12:46:44 PM

debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.


Tell that to the Doctor Who fans.
 
2013-03-11 01:58:51 PM

debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.


You seem weirdly put out by this. What gives?
 
2013-03-11 02:17:32 PM
Who's Mario? Donkey Kong features the heroic exploits of Jumpman.

25.media.tumblr.com
See? Looks nothing like Mario.
 
2013-03-11 02:22:22 PM
So many examples of feminist buttrage lately. Perhaps that one Farker's theory that all the women's periods kicked in at the same exact time has some credibility.
 
2013-03-11 02:25:18 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Jim_Callahan: debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.

In all fairness, how much fun is donkey kong to a modern gamer as far as actually playing it?  Messing around with the code to make it do funny things is probably all the entertainment value that remains.

Conversely, you could switch around Kong and the girl so that Mario is trying to rescue the captured gorilla from Peach's cosmetic lab.  It would be a big hit with the PETA crowd.


Or Kong could be a furry dude that Mario met at a convention (and his true love) and Peach is his jealous non-understanding wife.
 
2013-03-11 03:17:25 PM
It's not news... it's  Metafilter: The cultural-marxist hipster feminazi libtard capital of the internet.
 
2013-03-11 03:23:58 PM

semiotix: Who's Mario? Donkey Kong features the heroic exploits of Jumpman.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 850x850]
See? Looks nothing like Mario.


What a Jumpman may look like:

www.emuunlim.com
 
2013-03-11 03:41:12 PM
Not quite as simple as a sprite swap, since Pauline didn't have animations for all the character actions in the game like running and jumping and climbing, so the pixel art basically had to be designed from scratch.

The lede is being buried here, though, which is that a version of NES Donkey Kong that includes the "pie factory" level was released in 2010.
 
2013-03-11 04:04:41 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Jim_Callahan: debug: Play Metroid if you want a female lead.  Why does everything have to be altered?  Just play it the way it was designed.

In all fairness, how much fun is donkey kong to a modern gamer as far as actually playing it?  Messing around with the code to make it do funny things is probably all the entertainment value that remains.

Conversely, you could switch around Kong and the girl so that Mario is trying to rescue the captured gorilla from Peach's cosmetic lab.  It would be a big hit with the PETA crowd.


Donkey Kong Jr.?
 
2013-03-11 05:28:57 PM

RockofAges: tillerman35: RockofAges: Okay, so for all the people saying "oh, it's teh easy. Sprite value swap" -- can you show me a game where YOU modded the rom in this fashion? I mean, I know it's not exactly undoable, and that this IS Fark.com, where many nerdists play, but I'd still like to see it proven that we have the ability here.

When I was 16, I hacked the Wizardry game on the Apple ][ by writing my own track & sector editor to directly modify the floppy disk the game came on.  (On a copy, obviously, because I didn't want to fark up the original).  Silly stuff for the most part, like making overpowered items and/or changing the names of monsters and other text (e.g. "You are being attacked by MEN IN PANTIES wielding SAUSAGES"), but it was still pretty cool to a kid starting out with computers.  When I was done, I realized I had had more fun writing the low-level floppy disk sector editor than I had messing with the game.  I polished it up and uploaded it to a bunch of BBS systems.  Hell, you can probably find one still running on a phone bank that someone forgot to turn off on his way out the door.

This is awesome, and I like stories like this.

My own SHORT CSB is that a friend and I (I was head builder, did some mobprogs, low scripting, he was head coder) ran a successful (constant 20-50 playerbase) Ack!MUD for 3-4 years in the mid 90s. Shades of Evil, of course, was the most popular, but we ran Shadows of Paradise and The Ebony Star for a long period. Also scripted a dice and questbot for IRC back in the early EF / DALnet days, after #stronghold folded.

Still, romhacking I have no doubt is similar in scope, but I always like to see these kind of things for myself.


I hacked a ROM copy of Mario 2 so the princess had a green dress and glasses, the other characters resembled my sister's friends and the plot made a little more sense...but not much more. My cool babysitter helped me with it, though the replacement sprites I did in MS Paint all by myself. When you are eleven years old, a geek child and cannot afford a proper seventh birthday present for your sister, a 3.5 floppy with a customized birthday computer game is pretty damn awesome. She wound up taking it to school and showing it to her whole class, and after a few teachers were impressed, I was allowed to stay in from recess to do computer things...which cut down the time bullies could find me to next-to-nothing.

She still has the floppy hanging up in her apartment, though we haven't had computers equipped for that in years.

For her 23rd, I'm making an Android version for her phone.
 
2013-03-11 05:53:54 PM
Isn't this illegal?

Doc Daneeka: IIRC, when Nintendo did make a game on the premise of the Princess rescuing Mario, it got mediocre reviews and was criticized for being more sexist (cliched stereotypes, etc) than a typical Mario game.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Princess_Peach


Seems like a big catch-22
 
2013-03-11 06:18:22 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: RockofAges: tillerman35: RockofAges: Okay, so for all the people saying "oh, it's teh easy. Sprite value swap" -- can you show me a game where YOU modded the rom in this fashion? I mean, I know it's not exactly undoable, and that this IS Fark.com, where many nerdists play, but I'd still like to see it proven that we have the ability here.

When I was 16, I hacked the Wizardry game on the Apple ][ by writing my own track & sector editor to directly modify the floppy disk the game came on.  (On a copy, obviously, because I didn't want to fark up the original).  Silly stuff for the most part, like making overpowered items and/or changing the names of monsters and other text (e.g. "You are being attacked by MEN IN PANTIES wielding SAUSAGES"), but it was still pretty cool to a kid starting out with computers.  When I was done, I realized I had had more fun writing the low-level floppy disk sector editor than I had messing with the game.  I polished it up and uploaded it to a bunch of BBS systems.  Hell, you can probably find one still running on a phone bank that someone forgot to turn off on his way out the door.

This is awesome, and I like stories like this.

My own SHORT CSB is that a friend and I (I was head builder, did some mobprogs, low scripting, he was head coder) ran a successful (constant 20-50 playerbase) Ack!MUD for 3-4 years in the mid 90s. Shades of Evil, of course, was the most popular, but we ran Shadows of Paradise and The Ebony Star for a long period. Also scripted a dice and questbot for IRC back in the early EF / DALnet days, after #stronghold folded.

Still, romhacking I have no doubt is similar in scope, but I always like to see these kind of things for myself.

I hacked a ROM copy of Mario 2 so the princess had a green dress and glasses, the other characters resembled my sister's friends and the plot made a little more sense...but not much more. My cool babysitter helped me with it, though the replacement sprites I did in MS Paint all by myself. ...


Welcome to the favourites list. That was a CSS.
 
2013-03-11 07:19:33 PM

jaylectricity: Ooh, he switched sprite values.


He created most of those sprites from scratch.  IIRC, Pauline only has one sprite in that game.
 
2013-03-11 08:07:00 PM

HeartBurnKid: He created most of those sprites from scratch.


All ten of them?

Donkey Kong isn't exactly the most complex game ever codded.
 
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