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2013-03-10 06:22:36 PM  
On one hand, it's the guys choice if he wants to mostly abstain from meat.  On the other, since his job is to review restaurants, most of which serve dishes that are predominantly animal protein based, only being willing to "still [taste] little bites of meat, poultry and fish here and there - very occasionally - because [he's] curious about a chef's new take", it's going to be hard for him to give objective reviews that will represent the eating habits of most of his readers.

If a music critic came out and said "I'm not going to review rock albums any more" or a film critic decided to abstain from all dramas, would it be possible to take either one seriously in their field?

Vegetables are delicious, and certainly do deserve more exposure and prominence in many menus, and I don't have a problem with him arguing that point.  I just believe that if you're going to work as a critic for any field, you have to be willing to experience every aspect of whatever that field is.
 
2013-03-10 07:02:33 PM  
I dated and lived with a vegetarian who only did it for health reasons (no moral posturing). I respected her choices but yeah, it sucked cooking two different dinners every night. This is why I started getting take-out every night.

I suggested that if it were for health reasons, fish and turkey were great solutions. She balked and I was cooking all sorts of veggie crap I'd never even heard of to that point.

/she put up with my crap so I had to put up with hers
 
2013-03-10 07:32:46 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: On one hand, it's the guys choice if he wants to mostly abstain from meat.  On the other, since his job is to review restaurants, most of which serve dishes that are predominantly animal protein based, only being willing to "still [taste] little bites of meat, poultry and fish here and there - very occasionally - because [he's] curious about a chef's new take", it's going to be hard for him to give objective reviews that will represent the eating habits of most of his readers.

If a music critic came out and said "I'm not going to review rock albums any more" or a film critic decided to abstain from all dramas, would it be possible to take either one seriously in their field?

Vegetables are delicious, and certainly do deserve more exposure and prominence in many menus, and I don't have a problem with him arguing that point.  I just believe that if you're going to work as a critic for any field, you have to be willing to experience every aspect of whatever that field is.


Editor != reporter
 
2013-03-10 07:50:58 PM  
Washington Post food editor comes out as vegetarian due to health concerns, says his only critics so far have been militant vegans who slam him for not eschewing cheese, milk and eggs

Er, this headline is almost, but not quite, 100% inaccurate.
 
2013-03-10 07:54:30 PM  
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esCHEW!
 
2013-03-10 07:58:27 PM  
I don't get why anyone cares anymore about what vegetarians eat. Were so simple. Just dont feed us animals. Compared to all my friends who cant eat gluten or dairy or are avoiding salt or refuse to eat any carbs because they all want to pretend they are cave people or something.

Honestly. Just give us a mushroom/onion pizza and were good.
 
2013-03-10 08:50:55 PM  
I know this one fascinating chick who I'd be all over if she wasn't a picky eater (piscaterian). She's hard to even dine with in a group at a nice restaurant. "Oh, I bet the rice was cooked with chicken broth" was the latest complaint.
 
2013-03-10 09:00:56 PM  
Vegans are like atheists, just overbearing douchebags about the subject, what's ironic about atheists is most are really agnostic.
 
2013-03-10 09:05:44 PM  
Good for him. I still occasionally eat meat, if its ethically raised and slaughtered, but not too often. I think the biggest thing I've learned is how little I miss meat. Also, it surprises me how hard it is to get a meatless dinner someplaces.
/read Eating Animals
 
2013-03-10 09:07:49 PM  

steamingpile: Vegans are like atheists, just overbearing douchebags about the subject, what's ironic about atheists is most are really agnostic.


I'm not going to judge you if you bless your dinner.  You can't say that about vegans.
 
2013-03-10 09:10:45 PM  
"Militant vegan?" When did militant become a synonym for vociferous?
 
2013-03-10 09:13:09 PM  

quickdraw: I don't get why anyone cares anymore about what vegetarians eat. Were so simple. Just dont feed us animals. Compared to all my friends who cant eat gluten or dairy or are avoiding salt or refuse to eat any carbs because they all want to pretend they are cave people or something.

Honestly. Just give us a mushroom/onion pizza and were good.


Honest question, because the concept of a mushroom/onion pizza sounds as good as the times I've eaten mushroom, onion and sausage pizzas.  I think it might even be better without the sausage, now that I think about it.

What would you put on instead of cheese?  Because I know I've had pizzas without cheese before, but I can't for the life of me imagine what would go well on such a pizza instead of cheese.

/Please, no soy-pretending-to-be-cheese.
 
2013-03-10 09:13:56 PM  

wildcardjack: I know this one fascinating chick who I'd be all over if she wasn't a picky eater (piscaterian). She's hard to even dine with in a group at a nice restaurant. "Oh, I bet the rice was cooked with chicken broth" was the latest complaint.


Personally, I'd be more concerned in they cooked it in a fake chicken broth consisting of nothing but glutsmates and flavour enhancers. The level can be so high as to give people diarrhea. 

I spent 5 years vegetarian because of an extreme sudden aversion to the smell and taste. I was never a pain in the butt about it because it wasn't any else's fault I could pick up on a weird cadaver lab smell so much. No problems eating now but I sure as hell can tell when a meat department's stuff has not been stored properly.
 
2013-03-10 09:14:03 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious


See, that's where you're wrong.
 
2013-03-10 09:14:46 PM  
i162.photobucket.com
What a militant vegan may look like.
 
2013-03-10 09:15:34 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: "Militant vegan?" When did militant become a synonym for vociferous?


When most people forgot what "vociferous" means?
 
2013-03-10 09:17:38 PM  

WhippingBoy: TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious

See, that's where you're wrong.


Says a boy who obviously has never had fried summer squash.
 
2013-03-10 09:20:17 PM  

steamingpile: Vegans are like atheists, just overbearing douchebags about the subject, what's ironic about atheists is most are really agnostic.


www.hellomagazine.com
 
2013-03-10 09:22:01 PM  

andrewagill: WhippingBoy: TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious

See, that's where you're wrong.

Says a boy who obviously has never had fried summer squash.


I think the biggest problem facing mankind is people who think squash is a food.
 
2013-03-10 09:24:19 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: "Militant vegan?" When did militant become a synonym for vociferous?


Look it up in any dictionary; it's a common secondary meaning of the word.
 
2013-03-10 09:25:24 PM  

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 600x335]
What a militant vegan may look like.


That's now what I think whenever I hear the word vegan.  Or read it.
 
2013-03-10 09:32:38 PM  
Over the past two and a half months I've stepped away from the chessecake and started eating a lot more fruits and vegetables (at least 6 servings a day rather than the one or two I used to have). I still have meat in my diet, but I keep servings small. I've lost over 40 lbs so far.

I don't intend to become a vegetarian, but I've certainly become more thoughtful about what I eat and if that kind of analysis leads other people to vegetarianism or occasional omnivorism or whatever, then I have no complaint over what people put in their pieholes.
 
2013-03-10 09:33:10 PM  
I'm getting the same kinds of questions, especially from chefs and fellow food journalists, that I did so many decades ago when the news was about my sexual orientation

Heh. There's a joke in there somewhere.
 
2013-03-10 09:33:17 PM  

FunkOut: wildcardjack: I know this one fascinating chick who I'd be all over if she wasn't a picky eater (piscaterian). She's hard to even dine with in a group at a nice restaurant. "Oh, I bet the rice was cooked with chicken broth" was the latest complaint.

Personally, I'd be more concerned in they cooked it in a fake chicken broth consisting of nothing but glutsmates and flavour enhancers. The level can be so high as to give people diarrhea. 

I spent 5 years vegetarian because of an extreme sudden aversion to the smell and taste. I was never a pain in the butt about it because it wasn't any else's fault I could pick up on a weird cadaver lab smell so much. No problems eating now but I sure as hell can tell when a meat department's stuff has not been stored properly.


Hey, me too.  I've never met anyone else with a similar story. One day I woke up and anything with animal protein in it just nauseated me.  I could choke down really small amounts of dairy, and bread because the egg smell/taste is baked out.  Seven years later the switch got flipped again and I became a total omnivore, eating some animals I had never been able to think about trying before.
 
2013-03-10 09:42:23 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: andrewagill: WhippingBoy: TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious

See, that's where you're wrong.

Says a boy who obviously has never had fried summer squash.

I think the biggest problem facing mankind is people who think squash is a food.


lh3.ggpht.com

I dare you to say that in person.
 
2013-03-10 09:43:15 PM  
If better health is the only reason someone goes vegetarian they need to go back to the drawing board.

A healthy vegetarian diet has not been proven to be superior to healthy diet containing some meat.
 
2013-03-10 09:44:08 PM  

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 600x335]
What a militant vegan may look like.


What a militant vegan playing bass may look like:

1.bp.blogspot.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkETBPx49I

Why?  Because I fraking love that movie...
 
2013-03-10 09:50:20 PM  
Why is this in the Entertainment tab?
 
2013-03-10 09:53:34 PM  

andrewagill: WhippingBoy: TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious

See, that's where you're wrong.

Says a boy who obviously has never had fried summer squash.


What's the point of eating vegetables if you're going to fry them?
 
2013-03-10 09:54:16 PM  
HotWingAgenda:
Hey, me too.  I've never met anyone else with a similar story. One day I woke up and anything with animal protein in it just nauseated me.  I could choke down really small amounts of dairy, and bread because the egg smell/taste is baked out.  Seven years later the switch got flipped again and I became a total omnivore, eating some animals I had never been able to think about trying before.

That is interesting. I got hit with it after going through through "dinner is a steak covering the entire plate" phase. Went to cook up another steak like normal and I had to open all the windows. No idea where it came from.
 
2013-03-10 10:01:00 PM  
As a chef, I don't care if folks eat vegetarian or not. The menu is there, it has vegetarian, even vegan choices, just don't ask me to try to make a vegan Hollandaise or a vegetarian version of a "Chicken Parmesan" when I don't have any eggplant or TVP in house. The menu is there, I can be sure to not use the oil we use for fish on your fries, and we can roll on from there. None of my dang business. Have fun, enjoy your meal, and tip your waitress and bartender.

I went vegetarian for a bit over a year. Just reached a point that I couldn't eat the stuff any more after a 14 hour BBQ that had chicken and ribs and beef and pork and more piled to ceiling. Woke up the next day sort of "meated out." I went back to eating meat, because, as a chef, it's hard to prepare things without tasting them, and it's hard to ask your sous to take up the job of tasting things for you. It wasn't a moral stance, it was just too much of a good thing one day, and I don't particularly care if folks do or don't eat meat. The ex-wife was vegan for a lot of years, and it wasn't that hard to adjust meals at home. In the end, it's not my decision of folks do or don't want to eat meat, and as a Buddhist, I can feel for the decision. I am not in that place, but I can at least understand it. In the end, it's up to the person themselves to make that decision. A vegan or vegetarian diet isn't for everyone. A full on carnivorous diet isn't good for you, so like everything, moderation is the key in my mind. Which is probably why I have yogurt in the morning instead of bacon and eggs. Not because it's more "moral" but because it tastes good, and keeps the stomach and intestines happy. Eat what makes you happy, and doesn't try to kill you with excessive fats, sugars, or carbs. Too much of anything, including carrots isn't good for you, so eat, have fun, and take care of yourself. Let others do the same for their own dang selves.
 
2013-03-10 10:02:22 PM  
Have fun getting cancer.
 
2013-03-10 10:09:59 PM  
I was a vegetarian for 10 years starting when I was 11, mostly because my mom is a bad cook and I assumed I hated all meat because I hated hers. When I got to college I just happened to have a room across from a strict vegan who tried to convert me for four solid years. I honestly think it was all her pestering and books and PETA articles that made me want to try meat again. I would listen to her babble and daydream about steak and hot wings and suddenly wanted to know what it meant when people said certain meats were "gamey." We were still friends when I lived in an apartment with 3 other girls and the day I told them I wanted to eat meat again we got steaks and shrimp and baked potatoes and cooked them at home. Then Miss Vegan comes in and seriously lost her shiate. She was yelling and crying saying "How could you let them do this to you? !?" It remains to this day the worst break up experience I've ever had. And we weren't even dating.
 
2013-03-10 10:16:13 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: andrewagill: WhippingBoy: TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious

See, that's where you're wrong.

Says a boy who obviously has never had fried summer squash.

What's the point of eating vegetables if you're going to fry them?


I also enjoy boiled summer squash.

Tastes delicious, but it probably doesn't appeal visually to anti-squash people.

etc.usf.edu

/I'm not a vegetarian, by the way
//In fact, I'm an anti-squash person
///Unless it's not a soupy mess, which summer squash is not.
 
2013-03-10 10:16:15 PM  

fusillade762: I'm getting the same kinds of questions, especially from chefs and fellow food journalists, that I did so many decades ago when the news was about my sexual orientation

Heh. There's a joke in there somewhere.


You mean that he's a vegetarian but he's really into the pork?

/Well, SOMEone had to say it!
 
2013-03-10 10:21:23 PM  

FunkOut: HotWingAgenda:
Hey, me too.  I've never met anyone else with a similar story. One day I woke up and anything with animal protein in it just nauseated me.  I could choke down really small amounts of dairy, and bread because the egg smell/taste is baked out.  Seven years later the switch got flipped again and I became a total omnivore, eating some animals I had never been able to think about trying before.

That is interesting. I got hit with it after going through through "dinner is a steak covering the entire plate" phase. Went to cook up another steak like normal and I had to open all the windows. No idea where it came from.


You mean a stroke?  Because it certainly sounds like you guys had strokes.
 
2013-03-10 10:21:46 PM  
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2013-03-10 10:23:42 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: I was a vegetarian for 10 years starting when I was 11, mostly because my mom is a bad cook and I assumed I hated all meat because I hated hers.


Was this her cook book?

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2013-03-10 10:26:40 PM  

andrewagill: B.L.Z. Bub: andrewagill: WhippingBoy: TuteTibiImperes: Vegetables are delicious

See, that's where you're wrong.

Says a boy who obviously has never had fried summer squash.

What's the point of eating vegetables if you're going to fry them?

I also enjoy boiled summer squash.

Tastes delicious, but it probably doesn't appeal visually to anti-squash people.

[etc.usf.edu image 800x787]

/I'm not a vegetarian, by the way
//In fact, I'm an anti-squash person
///Unless it's not a soupy mess, which summer squash is not.


If you like fried squash, what you REALLY need to give a go is fried okra.  Tasty as all hell.
 
2013-03-10 10:32:30 PM  
Vegan here.

Once again, for clarification:

Vegans don't care what you eat.  They care what they eat.  They will care if you tell them what to eat, the same way omnivores should care if you're being lectured on your personal diet.

The 1% of vegans who  docare what you eat are assholes, and they're very loud and very annoying and drown out the rest of us decent, hardworking vegans who will gladly go to any restaurant you wish, because we've learned how to read a menu and don't want any sort of a fuss made over a personal choice.

For those of you who've only encountered the 1%, that sucks.  I apologize on their behalf.

For those of you who are convinced that all vegans are militant PETA-loving stinky hippies and you feel it's your right as an omnivore to tell ALL vegans they need to shut up and eat a steak, fark off and fark off of my plate.
 
2013-03-10 10:33:23 PM  

blue_2501: FunkOut: HotWingAgenda:
Hey, me too.  I've never met anyone else with a similar story. One day I woke up and anything with animal protein in it just nauseated me.  I could choke down really small amounts of dairy, and bread because the egg smell/taste is baked out.  Seven years later the switch got flipped again and I became a total omnivore, eating some animals I had never been able to think about trying before.

That is interesting. I got hit with it after going through through "dinner is a steak covering the entire plate" phase. Went to cook up another steak like normal and I had to open all the windows. No idea where it came from.

You mean a stroke?  Because it certainly sounds like you guys had strokes.


Nope. I was only 27 and ate well, never smoked. Sense of smell is still way sharper than normal. I do get very interesting headaches every so often known as hemiplegic migraines, the symptoms are pretty much indistinguishable from a stroke except they reverse when it's over.
 
2013-03-10 10:34:47 PM  
I know a girl who switched to a vegetarian diet to lose weight.

It worked great until she figured out how to cook meals she really liked without meat in them.

Gained it all back.

Also, I work with a lot of desis, and the weird thing is that they are never jerks about their dietary choices, which are varied. On the other hand, one told me that she is a "strict vegetarian" and then six months later i see her eat a chicken burrito.
 
2013-03-10 10:34:48 PM  

andrewagill: I also enjoy boiled summer squash.


Ugh, all the awesome vegetables out there, and you go with nasty ass squash?
 
2013-03-10 10:43:41 PM  
I've been told that fish and chicken isn't meat by a LOT of people who claim to be vegetarian.

Usually the people who say that have moral/ethical reasons for vegetarianism, too. Which is kind of weird.

//Was a vegetarian for 18 years or so.
///Still don't keep meat in the house. I just refuse to be picky in restaurants anymore. Because food = good.
 
2013-03-10 10:43:44 PM  

Mentalpatient87: andrewagill: I also enjoy boiled summer squash.

Ugh, all the awesome vegetables out there, and you go with nasty ass squash?


I enjoy lots of different vegetables.  It's just that it's very hard to argue that fried summer squash isn't tasty.
 
2013-03-10 10:48:37 PM  

Transpogue: Vegan here.

Once again, for clarification:

Vegans don't care what you eat.  They care what they eat.  They will care if you tell them what to eat, the same way omnivores should care if you're being lectured on your personal diet.

The 1% of vegans who  docare what you eat are assholes, and they're very loud and very annoying and drown out the rest of us decent, hardworking vegans who will gladly go to any restaurant you wish, because we've learned how to read a menu and don't want any sort of a fuss made over a personal choice.

For those of you who've only encountered the 1%, that sucks.  I apologize on their behalf.

For those of you who are convinced that all vegans are militant PETA-loving stinky hippies and you feel it's your right as an omnivore to tell ALL vegans they need to shut up and eat a steak, fark off and fark off of my plate.


You should really eat some meat. It'll make you less biatchy.

/yw
 
2013-03-10 10:56:38 PM  
WhippingBoy:
You should really eat some meat. It'll make you less biatchy.

/yw


Sorry, but I'm a dyke as well.  But thanks for offering.
 
2013-03-10 11:02:15 PM  

andrewagill: Mentalpatient87: andrewagill: I also enjoy boiled summer squash.

Ugh, all the awesome vegetables out there, and you go with nasty ass squash?

I enjoy lots of different vegetables.  It's just that it's very hard to argue that fried summer squash isn't tasty.


It's the texture, really. I might put a couple slices onto a burger (now that I think about it) but I don't like them by themselves. Too mushy.
 
2013-03-10 11:09:08 PM  

andrewagill: Anne.Uumellmahaye: I was a vegetarian for 10 years starting when I was 11, mostly because my mom is a bad cook and I assumed I hated all meat because I hated hers.

Was this her cook book?


I assure you she was following zero instructions when she created her abominations. The pictures are spot on though. Brings back unpleasant memories. Ugh, maybe I'll be a vegetarian again.

THANKS ALOT ANDREWAGILL
 
2013-03-10 11:14:19 PM  

Mentalpatient87: andrewagill: Mentalpatient87: andrewagill: I also enjoy boiled summer squash.

Ugh, all the awesome vegetables out there, and you go with nasty ass squash?

I enjoy lots of different vegetables.  It's just that it's very hard to argue that fried summer squash isn't tasty.

It's the texture, really. I might put a couple slices onto a burger (now that I think about it) but I don't like them by themselves. Too mushy.


Well, it's always texture with squash.  I draw the line with squashes that are, well, mush, but if you boil summer squash for a short time, or steam it, it still has a firm enough texture for me.

I've never thought of summer squash on a burger.  Honestly, I'm not sure if boiled would fit well, but fried would taste delicious.
 
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