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(Sun Sentinel)   Hollywood votes to renew its 23-year ban on circuses. In other news, circuses are illegal in Hollywood   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 57
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2013-03-11 07:20:39 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: The adversity to circuses is typical of the 'take your activism home' mind-set. Potable water is scarce in a large part of the world (also where there are a lot of poor people), so what do you do when you can't do anything and you live in north west Europe (where it rains *all* the friggin time)? You take your activism home and you stipulate that people should put a brick in the flush basin of their toilets. Water in this part of the world will never run out, but whatever, you've done something and you feel good now. Circus animals are the same: they are well cared for but the animal species in question are endangered in their wild habitats and generally people should stay away from them there, but you're not there and you want to do something, so what do you do? You ban circuses. You did something, however futile, and you can feel good now.


So the fact that I can report my neighbour for beating his dog won't change how dogs are treated in China is a reason to do nothing? Your logic is farked. People aren't equating banning circuses with protecting endagered animals. It is about preventing animal cruelty. Harm the business model of the circus to harm the cause of the cruelty. I don't have to go to Africa and shoot a poacher to have an effect.

The argument these animals are well treated is tired and old. If we still thought that, we wouldn't be banning farking circuses for cruelty.
 
2013-03-11 10:01:41 AM

Bludyard: I love animal circuses.  This month makes nine years I've worked in the business, and PETA can go sit on a tack.  The vast majority of circus animals are extremely well cared for.  This I have seen with my own eyes.  So who are you going to listen to, PETA or some guy you don't know on the internet?


Yeah, I was with Ringling back in '97 and I can attest to that as well. We had Zusha the hippo and one evening they noticed she was limping. So they took her off the show for a few days and had vets check her out. Not like a South American circus that would force her took perform until she dropped dead.


/Some lady actually wanted her money back because she came to a show when Zusha was off. One act...
 
2013-03-11 12:22:16 PM

Bludyard: I love animal circuses.  This month makes nine years I've worked in the business, and PETA can go sit on a tack.  The vast majority of circus animals are extremely well cared for.  This I have seen with my own eyes.  So who are you going to listen to, PETA or some guy you don't know on the internet?


I was heaps pro-animal and anti-circuses until someone took me behind the scenes - these animals tend to be well loved pets and I got the impression that if anyone ever treated one badly bad shiat would happen to the perp.

Took me a bit to admit that the image I had (probably from early hollywood - remember when they use to use real horses in those down hill war movie charges...*cry*) was old and time I renewed it.

Ain't many of those creatures left in the wild and if we can have a few happy ones, then I guess its all for the good (still makes me think of GRRM's "I am the last of the giants" though *cries rivers*.)
 
2013-03-11 12:40:59 PM
Hooray for Hollywood
 
2013-03-11 12:42:04 PM

Acharne: Coming on a Bicycle: The adversity to circuses is typical of the 'take your activism home' mind-set. Potable water is scarce in a large part of the world (also where there are a lot of poor people), so what do you do when you can't do anything and you live in north west Europe (where it rains *all* the friggin time)? You take your activism home and you stipulate that people should put a brick in the flush basin of their toilets. Water in this part of the world will never run out, but whatever, you've done something and you feel good now. Circus animals are the same: they are well cared for but the animal species in question are endangered in their wild habitats and generally people should stay away from them there, but you're not there and you want to do something, so what do you do? You ban circuses. You did something, however futile, and you can feel good now.

So the fact that I can report my neighbour for beating his dog won't change how dogs are treated in China is a reason to do nothing? Your logic is farked. People aren't equating banning circuses with protecting endagered animals. It is about preventing animal cruelty. Harm the business model of the circus to harm the cause of the cruelty. I don't have to go to Africa and shoot a poacher to have an effect.

The argument these animals are well treated is tired and old. If we still thought that, we wouldn't be banning farking circuses for cruelty.


If you do, however, let me know.  I will buy a ticket.
 
2013-03-11 05:38:41 PM
There's no need to pay to see a circus if one lives L.A. because it's happening for free everyday.
 
2013-03-11 08:45:08 PM

hsburns30: There's no need to pay to see a circus if one lives L.A. because it's happening for free everyday.


You know how I know you didn't read TFA?

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