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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-10 05:46:00 PM
A test conducted on the cart later revealed that it's able to reach double the speed claimed by the manufacturer. Apparently the retiree wasn't aware of this.

In Florida one sheriff's department offered to use radar to tell old people how fast their golf carts could go, which determined whether they were street legal.
 
2013-03-10 07:20:35 PM
chexydecimal.com

oh what a relief it is!
 
2013-03-10 07:22:18 PM
"Whether the officers really instructed him to continue his journey on foot, however, remains unclear."

But we'll still print the article because, why not?
 
2013-03-10 08:19:58 PM
Both my scooter and now electric wheelchair have governors on the, by law, so that they only reach 9.6k/hr. 10 being the limit in Australia.

Mind you, that's enough  have some rollicking fun terrif...I mean, carefully navigating around the students on the campus I teach at;)
 
2013-03-10 08:21:49 PM
In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.
 
2013-03-10 08:24:07 PM
You know who else made the Krauts get off their scooters and walk?
 
2013-03-10 08:25:44 PM
Did he tell the cops to EAT HICKORY?
 
2013-03-10 08:28:20 PM
cdn.ubergizmo.com
 
2013-03-10 08:29:52 PM
Handicapped people are terrible drivers, because why not?
 
2013-03-10 08:31:18 PM

CruiserTwelve: "Whether the officers really instructed him to continue his journey on foot, however, remains unclear."

But we'll still print the article because, why not?


You know the score pal, if you're not a cop, you hate cops.

/only half-kidding.
//I don't hate cops
///unless they're writing me a speeding ticket
////or not caring about the fact that I was just mugged or my house was broken into
 
2013-03-10 08:37:02 PM

Silly Jesus: In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.


"Stellmacher, handicapped after a series of strokes, says this explanation was not accepted and he was told to continue his journey home on foot while pushing the heavy cart. "
 
2013-03-10 08:45:10 PM

Cheesus: Silly Jesus: In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.

"Stellmacher, handicapped after a series of strokes, says this explanation was not accepted and he was told to continue his journey home on foot while pushing the heavy cart. "


fark you, ticket me, arrest me, or get out of my way.
 
2013-03-10 08:48:16 PM

Cheesus: Silly Jesus: In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.

"Stellmacher, handicapped after a series of strokes, says this explanation was not accepted and he was told to continue his journey home on foot while pushing the heavy cart. "


I'm usually tired and hungry after a series of strokes, but I don't need a damn motorized cart.
 
2013-03-10 08:50:33 PM

ZAZ: A test conducted on the cart later revealed that it's able to reach double the speed claimed by the manufacturer. Apparently the retiree wasn't aware of this.

In Florida one sheriff's department offered to use radar to tell old people how fast their golf carts could go, which determined whether they were street legal.


6 km/h seems awfully slow, I'd say double that (which is what apparently his scooter does) seems about right. Heck here in the US you unregistered/unlicensed electric bikes can go up to 20 mph without worry and most of the "scooter" type mobility devices go 6.5 mph.
 
2013-03-10 08:51:27 PM
If I'm even struck in a wheelchair I'm going to need a roll bar.  Why?  Because it's going to be powered by a V-twin with straight pipes.  Why?  Because fark you that's why.
 
2013-03-10 08:52:44 PM
I like that the company is all "Oh, our scooters are carefully set to go only the required speed limit!" until they're tested and it shows they actually go double that.

The retiree should sue the company for endangering his life.
 
2013-03-10 08:56:21 PM
 
2013-03-10 08:59:01 PM
It's almost as if the same laws apply to cripples as everyone else.  Besides, since was able to walk at all I'm guessing his "disability" is just being obese.
 
2013-03-10 09:00:40 PM
Eastern Germany?

Who to blame? The Nazis or the Commies?

/Confused
 
2013-03-10 09:02:37 PM

Silly Jesus: In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.


Is your experience based on the vast numbers of medical records you read from those "lazy" scooter riders or your psychic abilities?
 
2013-03-10 09:06:48 PM

Pribar: At least the deputy didn't dup him out on the floor



He was resisting!
 
2013-03-10 09:13:39 PM
Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a bomb on a scooter. Once the scooter goes 4 miles an hour, the bomb is armed. If it drops below 4, it blows up. What do you do? What do you do?

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-03-10 09:20:35 PM

timelady: Both my scooter and now electric wheelchair have governors on the, by law, so that they only reach 9.6k/hr. 10 being the limit in Australia.

Mind you, that's enough  have some rollicking fun terrif...I mean, carefully navigating around the students on the campus I teach at;)


You go girl :)
 
2013-03-10 09:22:53 PM

Smeggy Smurf: If I'm even struck in a wheelchair I'm going to need a roll bar.  Why?  Because it's going to be powered by a V-twin with straight pipes.  Why?  Because fark you that's why.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-10 09:25:28 PM

JesusJuice: It's almost as if the same laws apply to cripples as everyone else.



Are car drivers usually told to get out and push their car home when caught speeding? Or does that part of the law only apply to cripples?
 
2013-03-10 09:27:39 PM

LordOfThePings: Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a bomb on a scooter. Once the scooter goes 4 miles an hour, the bomb is armed. If it drops below 4, it blows up. What do you do? What do you do?

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


Not worry because it must be a really small bomb?
 
2013-03-10 09:29:32 PM

mikaloyd: timelady: Both my scooter and now electric wheelchair have governors on the, by law, so that they only reach 9.6k/hr. 10 being the limit in Australia.

Mind you, that's enough  have some rollicking fun terrif...I mean, carefully navigating around the students on the campus I teach at;)

You go girl :)


we modded the scooter with an Arduino board and flashing led strip lights - the Xmas pattern program was excellent (I lecture in Computer Science). My standard wheelchair has been a mobile phone tower for my research project. So what can I turn/mommy electric wheelchair into? Mounted Nerf machine gun has been a favourite idea, though rotating spikes has some merit (but the dry cleaning costs mount up so ;)
 
2013-03-10 09:30:41 PM
Motorcycle that you roll your chair into and ride

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-10 09:33:11 PM

JesusJuice: It's almost as if the same laws apply to cripples as everyone else.  Besides, since was able to walk at all I'm guessing his "disability" is just being obese.


Many of us with spinal cord injuries have issues that aren't paraplegia - chronic sciatic and other severe pain, for example. Nerve, muscle and tissue damage, disc damage etc. (I have all of those, and can walk a meter, or even a few on a good day, with walking stick aid). So don't assume a wheelchair/scooter is only for obesity or para/quadriplegia. For many of us, it's the difference between traveling a meter or so before collapsing, and independence and productivity.
 
2013-03-10 09:33:55 PM

mikaloyd: Motorcycle that you roll your chair into and ride

[i.imgur.com image 809x541]




DROOL, LUST.
 
2013-03-10 09:35:18 PM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-10 09:35:19 PM

The_Homeless_Guy: ZAZ: A test conducted on the cart later revealed that it's able to reach double the speed claimed by the manufacturer. Apparently the retiree wasn't aware of this.

In Florida one sheriff's department offered to use radar to tell old people how fast their golf carts could go, which determined whether they were street legal.

6 km/h seems awfully slow, I'd say double that (which is what apparently his scooter does) seems about right. Heck here in the US you unregistered/unlicensed electric bikes can go up to 20 mph without worry and most of the "scooter" type mobility devices go 6.5 mph.


Unless I missed something and German cyclists have to buy third party insurance, he should have just insisted that it was some kind of new hipster fixie with no pedals, and therefore as a bicycle the stupid 6km/h limit shouldn't apply.
 
2013-03-10 09:36:38 PM

timelady: mikaloyd: Motorcycle that you roll your chair into and ride

[i.imgur.com image 809x541]

DROOL, LUST.


I thought you might like that :)

Dunno if Oz has them
 
2013-03-10 09:37:43 PM

Mija: Silly Jesus: In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.

Is your experience based on the vast numbers of medical records you read from those "lazy" scooter riders or your psychic abilities?


Based on seeing them stand up and partially climb the shelf / balance on the scooter to reach those extra tasty cheesy poofs they keep on the top shelf.
 
2013-03-10 09:38:07 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Handicapped people are terrible drivers, because why not?


Driving under the influence of disability.

Sound like there sound be a law.
 
2013-03-10 09:40:38 PM

mikaloyd: timelady: mikaloyd: Motorcycle that you roll your chair into and ride

[i.imgur.com image 809x541]

DROOL, LUST.

I thought you might like that :)

Dunno if Oz has them


mobility conquest motorcycles for wheelchairs

Ive seen similar in th UK
 
2013-03-10 09:41:18 PM
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cdn.motinetwork.net
www.ls1gto.com
 and because it was in Germany:

fakeplus.com
 
2013-03-10 09:43:01 PM

the ha ha guy: JesusJuice: It's almost as if the same laws apply to cripples as everyone else.


Are car drivers usually told to get out and push their car home when caught speeding? Or does that part of the law only apply to cripples?


Does the car have a speedometer?  If not, you're pushing it home.
 
2013-03-10 09:46:07 PM
cdn.motinetwork.net


If it s slower and louder than an ice cream truck and doesnt sell ice cream I be hatin.
 
2013-03-10 09:49:44 PM

mikaloyd: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 640x669]


If it s slower and louder than an ice cream truck and doesnt sell ice cream I be hatin.


If the kid built it himself I'm not.
 
2013-03-10 10:00:09 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: mikaloyd: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 640x669]


If it s slower and louder than an ice cream truck and doesnt sell ice cream I be hatin.

If the kid built it himself I'm not.


That kids got a bigger moustache than a 40 year old Italian woman. Hes gotta be at least 24.
 
2013-03-10 10:03:01 PM

JesusJuice: the ha ha guy: JesusJuice: It's almost as if the same laws apply to cripples as everyone else.


Are car drivers usually told to get out and push their car home when caught speeding? Or does that part of the law only apply to cripples?

Does the car have a speedometer?  If not, you're pushing it home.



Sorry, no.

I had a car with a missing speedometer (the needle fell off). When I got pulled over, I explained the problem (which the cop could easily verify), and all I got was an equipment repair notice and a written warning for the speeding. He didn't order me to push it home, he just told me to be careful.
 
2013-03-10 10:15:19 PM

the ha ha guy: JesusJuice: the ha ha guy: JesusJuice: It's almost as if the same laws apply to cripples as everyone else.


Are car drivers usually told to get out and push their car home when caught speeding? Or does that part of the law only apply to cripples?

Does the car have a speedometer?  If not, you're pushing it home.


Sorry, no.

I had a car with a missing speedometer (the needle fell off). When I got pulled over, I explained the problem (which the cop could easily verify), and all I got was an equipment repair notice and a written warning for the speeding. He didn't order me to push it home, he just told me to be careful.


Sounds like when I got pulled over for speeding driving home from work at around midnight.  Told the cop I couldn't tell exactly how fast I was going because the lights in my dashboard had quit working.  He had me start the car and turn the headlights on to verify, then let me off with a warning and told me to get it fixed.  I assured him it was probably just the fuse and I had some spares at home.  After he drove off I reached down to the headlight control (which doubled as the internal light brightness control) and twisted it, turning the internal lights back on, and drove home.
 
2013-03-10 10:38:40 PM

LordOfThePings: Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a bomb on a scooter. Once the scooter goes 4 miles an hour, the bomb is armed. If it drops below 4, it blows up. What do you do? What do you do?


Shoot the hostage.
 
2013-03-10 10:40:36 PM

Silly Jesus: In my experience, most people in the shopper carts are just lazy.  The walk probably did him some good.


THIS!!!

tosh.comedycentral.com
 
2013-03-10 10:51:20 PM
In all seriousness, I'd be more worried that a disabled person who had been told by the company that his approved scooter couldn't go above 6 kph (or about what, 5mph?) had to discover the hard way that it would really go much faster. Seems to me if you have any kind of spinal or cranial issues, heart problems or mobility difficulties, the last thing you'd want would be to suddenly take a header off a scooter you thought was going fairly slowly and find you'd gone into a curb at over 10 mph.

Contrary to Farkers' beliefs, not everyone on a scooter is fat and lazy. Some are old and/or frail, and while they might survive falling off their scooter at 5 mph, a fall at 10 mph could be much more serious. Which is probably why Germany even has such a strange law (although any halfway decent cop would have called a taxi or something for the poor old geezer). And since the thing obviously has no speedometer, it could be a problem.
 
2013-03-10 11:11:03 PM
well, the Shoprider 889-XLS is a bad motherfarker

i796.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-10 11:31:43 PM

Gyrfalcon: Contrary to Farkers' beliefs, not everyone on a scooter is fat and lazy. Some are old and/or frail, and while they might survive falling off their scooter at 5 mph,


3.73 mph versus 7.5 mph if its speed was doubled
 
2013-03-10 11:45:58 PM
asiNEIN!
 
2013-03-10 11:46:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: In all seriousness, I'd be more worried that a disabled person who had been told by the company that his approved scooter couldn't go above 6 kph (or about what, 5mph?) had to discover the hard way that it would really go much faster.


6 kph is 3.7 mph, or about a "fast walk".  12 kph/7.4 mph is a good running pace.  I averaged ~7.6 mph during my last PT test.  

Seems to me if you have any kind of spinal or cranial issues, heart problems or mobility difficulties, the last thing you'd want would be to suddenly take a header off a scooter you thought was going fairly slowly and find you'd gone into a curb at over 10 mph.


I think that there's a bit more complication here - These machines are expensive enough even without customizing the heck out of them.  So it's cheaper to make a single drivetrain model that can handle a range of sizes - IE you might be putting a 120 pound quaddie in the same chair as a 400 lb 'too fat to walk' type.  Obviously, if you put a powerful enough system to keep the fattie at 6 kph, it's going to be able to make 12 kph with the skinny person(who might not actually HAVE legs at all).  At either speed rolling friction will be the biggest drain, not wind resistance(which rears it's head more around 25 mph), so mass being moved is pretty much the determining factor(note 400 to 120 lb, I'm assuming the chair weighs ~ 160 pounds to make the system twice as heavy overall with the fattie).

As such, you should 'probably' have a governor on them.  Even then it should be adjustable, a otherwise fit disabled person having full reflexes probably shouldn't be restrained to a pure walking pace; it's just plain annoying, though most should know not to engage the full throttle where it's not safe.  Heck, have a high/low power setting - they have to engage high power to get the speed.

Which is probably why Germany even has such a strange law (although any halfway decent cop would have called a taxi or something for the poor old geezer). And since the thing obviously has no speedometer, it could be a problem.

A lot of these chairs are made of hard metal and weigh 200+ pounds.  Faster than walking speed is getting into 'you could seriously hurt somebody with one if you hit them' territory.  Still, there's probably enough disabled people in Germany that offering insurance for faster chairs might be a thing, but the company markets the chair as slower to avoid the extra expense.  Or maybe the governor on the coot's chair was set wrong, or just broken.  The insurance for a faster chair shouldn't be that much though.  I'm thinking like $100/year.
 
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