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2013-03-11 12:17:42 AM

WhippingBoy: It gets worse. The more you get mired in neofeminist philosophy, the more you'll see the term "ze" (as in "ze said, ze said") used as an inoffensive, gender-neutral pronoun.


It's even more mainstream in Europe: "Gender-neutral "hen" makes its legal debut" in Sweden:

http://www.thelocal.se/45070/20121214/#.UT1YfFe7eko

"Sweden's gender-neutral pre-school":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14038419

As usual, the ancients had a better grasp on human nature than we do: as the Roman poet Horace said, "you may drive out Nature with a pitchfork, yet she will always return." Attempts to extinguish or confuse biological sex differences in the name of some mythical ideal of egalitarianism are inevitably doomed to failure.
 
2013-03-11 12:18:16 AM

arashinogarou: the ha ha guy: arashinogarou: But I distinctly remember using "she" as the unknown pronoun all the way back to primary school.


And I distinctly remember using "he" as the gender neutral pronoun in every school, the most recent being in college in the early 2000's.

That's interesting. Where are you from/did you go to school, if I may ask? I was born and mostly raised in the Southeast US, though a lot of my primary education was in Arizona and California.



College was in the Northeast US, primary school was SE US in the 80's. I'm guessing it's based more on local teacher/administrator preferences than any nationwide movement to use the word "she".
 
2013-03-11 12:19:13 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: WhippingBoy: It gets worse. The more you get mired in neofeminist philosophy, the more you'll see the term "ze" (as in "ze said, ze said") used as an inoffensive, gender-neutral pronoun.

It's even more mainstream in Europe: "Gender-neutral "hen" makes its legal debut" in Sweden:

http://www.thelocal.se/45070/20121214/#.UT1YfFe7eko

"Sweden's gender-neutral pre-school":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14038419

As usual, the ancients had a better grasp on human nature than we do: as the Roman poet Horace said, "you may drive out Nature with a pitchfork, yet she will always return." Attempts to extinguish or confuse biological sex differences in the name of some mythical ideal of egalitarianism are inevitably doomed to failure.


Agreed. Feminism is basically repackaged Marxism. And we all know how well that worked out.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:31 AM
Came for NSFW female duckface selfies. Leaving extremely dissapointed. Boooo.
 
2013-03-11 12:21:45 AM

PsiChick: despite years of taking the exact opposite of that position.


I don't know you any more than you know me. I took issue with what you said specifically in the post I quoted, and more generally with your overt hatred of men. You have made it crystal clear in this thread that the very concept of men and women being equal and getting along is alien to you. Since it is futile to try to have a discussion with a person so obviously unbalanced and bigoted, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. The floor is yours.
 
2013-03-11 12:21:45 AM

PsiChick: the ha ha guy: PsiChick: So would you care to provide the name of the mainstream groups that  don't support this? Because in five or so years of having MRA groups try to jump down my throat (usually when I'm agreeing with them), I've seen exactly one.


I could say the same about every mainstream feminist group I've seen.

Here, have the dictionary definition of what feminism is. Don't think it gets more 'mainstream' than that.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
 
2013-03-11 12:24:34 AM

WhippingBoy: ph0rk: the ha ha guy: PsiChick: feminism has always held that sexist beliefs are as damaging to men as women


TFA comes from a site where one of their editors slapped a man who told her he had cancer, because she assumed that his type of cancer was made-up.

Somehow, I'm not so sure these people are advocating the "all humans are equal" form of feminism.

I don't know how anyone can argue Jezebel is anything other than a knee jerk soapbox for a few angry individuals. I just can't take them seriously, and that is an excellent example of why.

Nobody takes Jezebel seriously. I'm a charter member of the He-Man Women Hater's Club, and not even I would deign to quote them as indicative of  "what feminists actually believe".


I just got coffee on my monitor because of you.
 
2013-03-11 12:25:53 AM

the ha ha guy: I'm guessing it's based more on local teacher/administrator preferences than any nationwide movement to use the word "she".


You're probably right. I do see "she" used more often (and sometimes exclusively in certain genres) in modern writing though.
 
2013-03-11 12:29:16 AM

arashinogarou: PsiChick: despite years of taking the exact opposite of that position.

I don't know you any more than you know me. I took issue with what you said specifically in the post I quoted, and more generally with your overt hatred of men. You have made it crystal clear in this thread that the very concept of men and women being equal and getting along is alien to you. Since it is futile to try to have a discussion with a person so obviously unbalanced and bigoted, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. The floor is yours.


...Erm, except I  never once advocated that anywhere in the thread, yeah...o.O

Who the hell are you reading?

the ha ha guy: PsiChick: the ha ha guy: PsiChick: So would you care to provide the name of the mainstream groups that  don't support this? Because in five or so years of having MRA groups try to jump down my throat (usually when I'm agreeing with them), I've seen exactly one.


I could say the same about every mainstream feminist group I've seen.

Here, have the dictionary definition of what feminism is. Don't think it gets more 'mainstream' than that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman


You disagree that the dictionary definition of a word is the most likely used definition? Care to explain why?
 
2013-03-11 12:29:37 AM

WhippingBoy: Agreed. Feminism is basically repackaged Marxism. And we all know how well that worked out.


B-b-but Marxism works in theory!!1!
 
2013-03-11 12:30:00 AM

PsiChick: neongoats: "They start the rants that way"

Who?

"The nice guys brigade"

Who are they?

"Men who start off rants about women by starting off saying they are nice"

So only men do it?

"No, I suppose maybe women do it too"

So why don't we call it "nice people's brigade"

"Because men start off their anti women rants by saying how nice they are"

And you are honestly not calling your logic circular and biased? Holy shiat.

*sigh* I don't see behind a keyboard. It's entirely possible there are women who post those things. But since they self-identify as guys, it's pretty damn hard to claim they're women.

You still have not proven that calling nice guys 'Nice Guys' is any sort of misnomer


You are arguing both sides of the argument and yet proving my point precisely.

Earlier you said that "nice guys brigade" was not a gender specific pejorative. Then you said basically "it's fine to say guys because in English guys means mixed gender groups too". But then it became "THEY self identify themselves as guys". Who? The nice guy brigade. Circular still.

THEY might self identify as "nice guys", but they damn sure DON'T self identify as "the nice guys brigade". "The Nice Guys Brigade" is very farking specifically an insulting little nickname used to denigrate a subset of people.
 
2013-03-11 12:32:39 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: WhippingBoy: Agreed. Feminism is basically repackaged Marxism. And we all know how well that worked out.

B-b-but Marxism works in theory!!1!


So does "capitalism" , for that matter, Hell - worm farming works, in theory..
 
2013-03-11 12:34:20 AM

neongoats: "The Nice Guys Brigade" is very farking specifically an insulting little nickname used to denigrate a subset of people.


A people she accuses of what? Denigrating a subset of people.

It's hilarious. She's a pirate complaining about highwaymen.
 
2013-03-11 12:34:34 AM

PsiChick: You disagree that the dictionary definition of a word is the most likely used definition? Care to explain why?



No, I disagree that the dictionary definition of a word actively prevents self-proclaimed feminist groups from using lies to promote their agenda.
 
2013-03-11 12:34:54 AM

PsiChick: Who the hell are you reading?


Just to clear up that point: Your entire conversation with neongoats. You've been called out several times as the sexist you are in that conversation, and in your defense you spout more sexism. It's like watching you shoot the person who accuses you of being a murderer, then you shoot the witnesses as well.

Pretty damned pathetic actually.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:36 AM

thorthor: Came for NSFW female duckface selfies. Leaving extremely dissapointed. Boooo.


Don't let the door hit ya on the way oot.

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2013-03-11 12:38:08 AM

jso2897: So does "capitalism" , for that matter


Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time. If it didn't, neither you nor I would have the leisure or the technological means to carry on this conversation.
 
2013-03-11 12:39:35 AM
Yeeeeeeaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, whatever.  I'd like my 11 seconds back, please.
 
2013-03-11 12:40:29 AM
didn't read all the article or any of the thread just wanted to ask this question:

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

do we really need a doctoral dissertation on why folks take multiple pictures for dating sites? and why did they assume that women who do that have body image problems? has the author never heard of my space angles?

there are starving children in America who went to bed hungry and we spent time of this? really?

yeah i did too but i condemned it so i'm better than you.
 
2013-03-11 12:42:14 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time


If my "most of the time" you mean "depending on how mush money you do or do not have", yeah.
 
2013-03-11 12:42:48 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time.


Truly free markets NEVER work in practice.

It takes maybe a day for theft and monopoly to sink in. Pretty soon it's the wild west, only much much worse because most towns in the wild west had fairly civilized laws and people mostly obeyed them.
 
2013-03-11 12:45:09 AM
I really need to get a Mavis Beacon DVD.   :  /
 
2013-03-11 12:49:35 AM

doglover: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time.

Truly free markets NEVER work in practice.

It takes maybe a day for theft and monopoly to sink in. Pretty soon it's the wild west, only much much worse because most towns in the wild west had fairly civilized laws and people mostly obeyed them.


Nothing ever works. Everything is poop.
 
2013-03-11 12:51:12 AM

bunner: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time

If my "most of the time" you mean "depending on how mush money you do or do not have", yeah.


If you're impoverished, how is it you have the time or means to be posting here? Just curious.
 
2013-03-11 12:54:30 AM

FunkOut: doglover: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time.

Truly free markets NEVER work in practice.

It takes maybe a day for theft and monopoly to sink in. Pretty soon it's the wild west, only much much worse because most towns in the wild west had fairly civilized laws and people mostly obeyed them.

Nothing ever works. Everything is poop.


Correction. You must learn from Paracelsus: "All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous."
 
2013-03-11 12:55:27 AM

doglover: Truly free markets NEVER work in practice. It takes maybe a day for theft and monopoly to sink in.


Questions: 1) How is actual "theft" possible in the presence of the rule of law? (Or are you confusing the free market system with anarchy, where the strongest survives through the use of superior force?) 2) How can a monopoly exist unless the government prevents new competitors from entering the market to undercut that monopoly?
 
2013-03-11 01:04:37 AM
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2013-03-11 01:06:37 AM

neongoats: You still have not proven that calling nice guys 'Nice Guys' is any sort of misnomer

You are arguing both sides of the argument and yet proving my point precisely.

Earlier you said that "nice guys brigade" was not a gender specific pejorative. Then you said basically "it's fine to say guys because in English guys means mixed gender groups too". But then it became "THEY self identify themselves as guys". Who? The nice guy brigade. Circular still.

THEY might self identify as "nice guys", but they damn sure DON'T self identify as "the nice guys brigade". "The Nice Guys Brigade" is very farking specifically an insulting little nickname used to denigrate a subset of people.


Yes, you're right, I originally was unclear. The Nice Guys Brigade earned their Fark slang nickname by what they said. There are other points to be made--that sure, they might be women and we wouldn't know because of how English works--but ultimately, they are called the Nice Guys because of their own self-identification, and 'Brigade' came as part of Fark slang. Satisfied?

arashinogarou: PsiChick: Who the hell are you reading?

Just to clear up that point: Your entire conversation with neongoats. You've been called out several times as the sexist you are in that conversation, and in your defense you spout more sexism. It's like watching you shoot the person who accuses you of being a murderer, then you shoot the witnesses as well.

Pretty damned pathetic actually.


Could you give me an example of this 'sexism'? I'm sorry, but I do not see it. The 'turtle people' comment? As I said, Republicans. Nice guys? As I said--they call themselves that, so they can hardly complain about their Fark nickname. Me being unclear? Yeah, I do that, and sorry about that. But none of those are sexist.

doglover: neongoats: "The Nice Guys Brigade" is very farking specifically an insulting little nickname used to denigrate a subset of people.

A people she accuses of what? Denigrating a subset of people.

It's hilarious. She's a pirate complaining about highwaymen.


Using a slang term is  exactly the same as pseudo-stalking someone and biatching when they don't give you sex. Yup. Exactly.

the ha ha guy: PsiChick: You disagree that the dictionary definition of a word is the most likely used definition? Care to explain why?


No, I disagree that the dictionary definition of a word actively prevents self-proclaimed feminist groups from using lies to promote their agenda.


No, anyone can spout off whatever they like, it's the internet. My position is that MRAs are not actually about men's rights in mainstream, and that feminism is about equality in their own mainstream. If you disagree with that, you need to explain why.
 
2013-03-11 01:06:47 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: bunner: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time

If my "most of the time" you mean "depending on how mush money you do or do not have", yeah.

If you're impoverished, how is it you have the time or means to be posting here? Just curious.


If your projector is broken, why are you pointing it at me?  Just curious.  The whole notion of "well, if I'M doing fine then THE SYSTEM WORKS!™ is the precise flavor of bullsh*t that is turning America into third world lite with cheeseburgers and 70 channels.  No "ism", in and of itself, is a one size fits all monothematic to cultural management. They are all, at best, components of what mostly works when stewarded by honest men.  As you can see, that last bit has left the pooch's ass quite sore.  I feel it only fair to warn you that the diatribe of dime store harrumphing and "oh my dear boy you simply don't understand" malarkey thet is likely to ensue will be dismissed at face value.
 
2013-03-11 01:12:28 AM
they seemed to think, but perhaps, they thought, I had a new take on why so many dudes love to send photos of their penises to the eager and the horrified alike.
The assumption makes sense - we're used to the idea that many men are hungry to show off their erections.


I still wonder about that.

Having perused many a dating site, I've noticed the tendency for guys to proudly display images of their schlongs. Personally, I find it repulsive, but then again, being male and heterosexual, such a response is not unusual.

Actually, some I've observed should send the desired woman running in horror at the deformed member or make them call their friends so they can laugh and point at the pathetic little thing.

Then I considered some things. Guys get steamed up over shots of woman's boobs, vaginas and butts. Few have any real concept of what image of what part of the male body steams up a woman. So, naturally, they'd send images of something they figure will make the lady swoon with desire.

(Any FARKETTE's out there, feel free to voice your opinion.)

Again, vanity or 'head shots' are common for women. Men will gift women they love with blown up head shots or paintings of the woman's face and she will hang it on the wall for all to enjoy.

Guys do that and they get suspicious looks. An interesting dichotomy. Yet, go into an all male strip club for the ladies and the 'pretty boys' are being mobbed by the 'demure' members of the opposite sex. (Sometimes, it can be like feeding time for half starved lions.)

It's common for women to get face lifts, but if a guy gets one, he's kind of looked down on. Only two types of plastic surgery that I know of are accepted readily for males: man-boob reduction and liposuction of the beer gut.

The consensus is still out concerning any form of voluntary surgical penis enhancement. Yet vaginal cosmetic surgery is catching on.

It's a confusing world, isn't it?
 
2013-03-11 01:14:57 AM
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2013-03-11 01:15:00 AM
Find somebody yo like to hang out with.  The rest is the wrapping paper and it will end up wadded up on the floor next to the gift, eventually
 
2013-03-11 01:20:57 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: doglover: Truly free markets NEVER work in practice. It takes maybe a day for theft and monopoly to sink in.

Questions: 1) How is actual "theft" possible in the presence of the rule of law? (Or are you confusing the free market system with anarchy, where the strongest survives through the use of superior force?) 2) How can a monopoly exist unless the government prevents new competitors from entering the market to undercut that monopoly?


1) If it's a totally free market, there are no laws.

2) Even assuming laws, you can make a monopoly easy enough with evil business practices.

Do you not remember standard oil?
 
2013-03-11 01:22:16 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: So does "capitalism" , for that matter

Unlike Marxism, the free market works in practice most of the time. If it didn't, neither you nor I would have the leisure or the technological means to carry on this conversation.


It's a matter of interpretation and application. Capitalism, as a way of making money and creating material progress, is a beautiful thing. It's one of man's greatest creations. As a social system, it sucks - much in the way that a hammer sucks as a screwdriver.
Socialism, as a tool to smooth out the bumps, scrapes, and inequities of the world is the "shock absorber" that makes human life workable, decent, and acceptable on a human scale. As a social system, it becomes a draconian nightmare that subsumes and denigrates the human spirit.
Do you understand the small, yet crucial distinction I am making? Because there is little point in my going further if you don't.
Social tools don't make good social systems, any more than carrots make good airplanes.
 
2013-03-11 01:23:55 AM

kmmontandon: Ooooh, pictures.

I thought the title had to do with masturbation, and "selfie" was some new hipster term.


I thought that to.But then I tend to think everything has something to do with masturbating my awesome penis
 
2013-03-11 01:25:22 AM
PsiChick:
Could you give me an example of this 'sexism'? I'm sorry, but I do not see it. The 'turtle people' comment? As I said, Republicans. Nice guys? As I said--they call themselves that, so they can hardly complain about their Fark nickname. Me being unclear? Yeah, I do that, and sorry about that. But none of those are sexist.

I just came for the entertainment of this cluster of a thread but I digress.  That's fine to think a lot of Republicans are this way but in my eyes progress can't be made when you label an entire group, just closes off any potential dialogue and promotes the partisan crap that's so rampant today.

/not Republican.  Just find people labeling entire groups counterproductive and distasteful.  Probably same thing we're seeing here today.
 
2013-03-11 01:28:33 AM
I'd rather a man be thinking about how pretty I am than worrying about how pretty he is

I take it that Emily McCombs is one fugly woman.
 
2013-03-11 01:29:04 AM
bunner:  If your projector is broken, why are you pointing it at me?  Just curious.  The whole notion of "well, if I'M doing fine then THE SYSTEM WORKS!™ is the precise flavor of bullsh*t that is turning America into third world lite with cheeseburgers and 70 channels.

Look pal, I asked you a reasonable question. If the free- market system -- as mitigated by ordinary human imperfection as it is -- is so terrible, why has it offered us a material standard of living far above that of our forebears? Why does it attract immigrants to our society from all over the world, when there is no flow in the opposite direction? Why does it offer the people that live under it a historically unprecedented opportunity to use its very benefits to denounce those same benefits to a potentially worldwide audience on the Internet? The honest truth is that you only dislike the free market system because you've been indoctrinated to do so, not because it has oppressed you personally. And you have no feasible alternative system to offer.

 No "ism", in and of itself, is a one size fits all monothematic to cultural management. They are all, at best, components of what mostly works when stewarded by honest men.  As you can see, that last bit has left the pooch's ass quite sore.  I feel it only fair to warn you that the diatribe of dime store harrumphing and "oh my dear boy you simply don't understand" malarkey thet is likely to ensue will be dismissed at face value.

This sub-Joycean stream of consciousness is actually pretty hilarious... you seem to be writing this as if there is some grad student at Cornell monitoring the posts on Fark and looking out for some kind of neglected genius like yours.
 
2013-03-11 01:33:15 AM

PsiChick: Using a slang term


You got moxy, kid, but you're the pot callin' the kettle black to react against sexism by talking about the Nice Guy BrigadeTM.

Reverse hate is not equality. it's just oppression the other way. Not that there's not a time and place for offensive maneuvers, but like I posted earlier and you dismissed out of hand, humans are very easily manipulated. One of the best ways to unite a disparate group is to provide them a common enemy, real or imagined. It seems you've chosen men. You can accept it, or not. It still spins just the same.
 
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2013-03-11 01:33:33 AM

arashinogarou: PsiChick: and b) English is a male-gender language; you say 'he' when you don't know the gender of the person, so good luck changing that one.

I find that interesting. I was taught growing up to use "she" when gender is unknown or the subject refers to a person in general. And I'm not some millennium kid, I was born in the 70s. Are you sure you're not just making that up to validate your earlier comment?

I just found this, by the way: "The use of "he" to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s"1

So you are definitely trying to deceive, or else you have no clue how the English language has progressed in the past half century.


1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun#Modern_Englis h


I read your citation, and I did not find strong support for your argument in your citation.

I was taught in the eighties and nineties that since English generally lacks a neuter, when the gender was not known, it was convention to use the masculine. This is important in legal doctrine because, "...all men are created equal," and other statements using, "he," "his," and such refer to both genders in all but very specific cases.

I was taught to avoid using the singular they in writing, that it was slang and inappropriate. If there was a desire to avoid using the masculine when referring to possibly either gender, to use expressions like, "his or her," or to use, "one," as a pronoun, such as, "...to boldly go where no one has gone before," as a replacement for, "...to boldly go where no man has gone before." In the context of mankind, "man," does not describe just males, but apparently this was found objectionable enough that by the 1980s it was deemed necessary to make that change.

When I see some authors use the feminine to refer to all people, such as how David Weber does in the Honor Harrington works, it tends to give me pause as I read.

I'm not saying that there aren't real issues with the use of the masculine to refer to all, but it's my experience that those that would choose to use the convention as such are narrow minded and if convention changed, would simply find some other way to attempt to engage in similar behaviors.
 
2013-03-11 01:34:52 AM

PsiChick: the ha ha guy: PsiChick: You disagree that the dictionary definition of a word is the most likely used definition? Care to explain why?


No, I disagree that the dictionary definition of a word actively prevents self-proclaimed feminist groups from using lies to promote their agenda.

No, anyone can spout off whatever they like, it's the internet. My position is that MRAs are not actually about men's rights in mainstream, and that feminism is about equality in their own mainstream. If you disagree with that, you need to explain why.



I'm not talking about nutjobs on the internet, I'm talking about the real-world organizations that send out mailers with blatantly false information.

And on the topic of MRA, my opinion is that if a woman assaults a man, and the man calls the police to report the assault, the man should not be automatically arrested and charged with assault.
 
2013-03-11 01:36:56 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: And you have no feasible alternative system to offer.


The not quite free market system.

The marketplace where freedom of competition is ensured by law and things like ponzi schemes and predatory loans are thoroughly punished. Not laissez faire, but just fair.
 
2013-03-11 01:40:58 AM

doglover: EvilRacistNaziFascist: And you have no feasible alternative system to offer.

The not quite free market system.

The marketplace where freedom of competition is ensured by law and things like ponzi schemes and predatory loans are thoroughly punished. Not laissez faire, but just fair.


You can't reason with an ideologue. Beware the man who has only one book.
 
2013-03-11 01:41:56 AM
doglover:  1) If it's a totally free market, there are no laws.

Again, you are assuming that capitalism is the same as anarchy. No capitalist would agree, for the simple reason that for a free market to exist some authority has to be present to enforce contracts and defend property rights. I realize that there are some very stupid people (even on Fark, sadly) who like to go about saying that the highest aspiration of right- wingers is to turn the US into a replica of Somalia, but I sincerely hope you're not one of them.

2) Even assuming laws, you can make a monopoly easy enough with evil business practices.

Please explain how these "evil" business practices prevent new entrants to the market.

Do you not remember standard oil?

I wasn't alive during the heyday of Standard Oil, but since you ask that company was merely targetted by over- zealous prosecutors for being too large -- rather like Microsoft in our own day. Due to increasing competition, Standard Oil's share of the market was already decreasing prior to its pursuit by the Department of Justice.
 
2013-03-11 01:47:32 AM

doglover: The marketplace where freedom of competition is ensured by law and things like ponzi schemes and predatory loans are thoroughly punished. Not laissez faire, but just fair.


Well again, you're setting up the strawman that people who prefer the free market want to have no regulations of any kind at all -- whereas pyramid schemes and other financial shenanigans were recognized and prosecuted even during the allegedly social- Darwinist business climate of the 19th century, as portrayed in novels such as Dickens's "Martin Chuzzlewit" or Trollope's "The Way We Live Now". After all, investors are aspiring capitalists too, and none of them want to lose their shirts.
 
2013-03-11 01:48:17 AM
Sorry. Forgot one. Did you notice a dearth of turtles? I had a green collared lizard, though. I hope that makes up for it.
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2013-03-11 01:53:31 AM

jso2897: You can't reason with an ideologue. Beware the man who has only one book.


Oooh, could you tell me what my "only book" might be? You see, since I never mentioned any book at all in this discussion I'd be really amazed if you could come up with an answer -- and besides, I've always wanted to see somebody pretend to be able to read the mind of a complete stranger on the Internet and make a complete arsehole of himself in doing so.
 
2013-03-11 02:01:11 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Oooh, could you tell me what my "only book" might be?


If ya can only have one book, pick it well.
 
2013-03-11 02:03:54 AM

doglover: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Oooh, could you tell me what my "only book" might be?

If ya can only have one book, pick it well.


No serious answer, then? Thought not. I do apologize for having taken you seriously to begin with, though.
 
2013-03-11 02:05:52 AM
...and another contender in the endless circular argument Olympics appears on the horizon..can we go back to the more entertaining one and save that for the politics tab?
 
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