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2013-03-10 05:06:01 PM
Fail in Human Form:

.... blah blah blah .....

shill. ignored. (fail in 'bot form, amirite?)
 
2013-03-10 05:09:36 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I pay $44 a month for myself.


must be nice. i have medicare and pay 2+ times that. and no part D. on the upside my 2011 week in the hospital was billed at over $10,000, medicare paid roughly half and my 20% of that was $1000. overall i'm happy. no private insurance i've ever had was any better.
 
2013-03-10 05:10:18 PM

LordOfThePings: cameroncrazy1984: The American public is so hungry to repeal Obamacare that the re-elected the guy who signed it.

Instead of the guy who first implemented it at the state level and then spent most of his campaign saying he'd repeal Obamacare as his first act in office.


FTFY

If one of the folks running for HOA president was the first in the neighborhood to get an in-ground pool, but says the first thing they'll do when elected is ban the installation or use of in-ground pools, you don't vote for them if you want to keep your pool.
 
2013-03-10 05:12:23 PM

theorellior: Once again, I find it absolutely hilarious that Paul Ryan is considered to be a Republican policy wonk, an intellectual heavy lifter.


shows how shallow the bench is doesn't it?
 
2013-03-10 05:13:38 PM

randomjsa: Oh so they're trying to do something that would be of great benefit to the country. That's good to know.


How so? You can't explain that.
 
2013-03-10 05:16:29 PM
i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-10 05:18:15 PM

Fail in Human Form: Brass_Robo: amyldoanitrite: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

I don't know what state you live in, but here in CA, once our state starts its insurance exchange, my family of 4 can get coverage for $124/month at my current income level. This will also be the first time my wife will have had insurance in more than 10 years do to a pre-existing condition.

So yeah, Obamacare is pretty f'ing great from my POV. Would I prefer true single payer? You bet. But this is certainly an improvement.

Ohio and I pay more than that for just myself.

Evidently you are doing something horribly wrong. Might I suggest reexamining your current options and making some changes to your Health Insurance. Obamacare seems to be working out pretty well for most people effected by it. You seem to be on the far end of that bell curve and so are going to have to devote some time to changing that. Try going over your Health Insurance payments line by line, you may be paying for things you don't really need. Also shop around for other Health Insurance providers in your area, you might find a better deal.

I'm with a local HMO.  My other option is BC/BS (given who has deals with the local hospitals) with far less coverage and only marginally better prices.


It's almost like you want the consumer to dictate to the supplier the price they will pay. Are you some sort of commie?
 
2013-03-10 05:18:27 PM
Premiums were going up before Obama was ever elected. So now people are blaming a rise even before the program is implemented in 2014? Obama truly is a Time Lord.
 
2013-03-10 05:26:39 PM
Do we have the ability to recall some of the members of this Congress?
 
2013-03-10 05:28:40 PM

Somacandra: Since they've already tried like 50 brazillion times to repeal it and lost seats in the ensuing election, I don't see why looking at Ryan's poop would be more illuminating that sharing stories about how our actual situations have gotten better. Mine has as well.


Haha. Fair enough. They are trying a new shade of polish on the turd this go-round, however. Now that Obama has at least a portion of the taxes on the wealthy that he wanted, Ryan can claim to balance the budget in ten years.

"So how can Ryan balance the budget in 10 years without adding major new spending cuts to his budget? Simple. All he needs to do is take advantage of the Congressional Budget Office's new and much-rosier deficit projections and, ironically, the fiscal cliff deal's tax increases."
 
2013-03-10 05:30:22 PM

JohnnyC: Intentionally including things they know will tank their bill... how Republican of them.


Remember the time they had to scramble to vote "no" on their budget proposal because the Democrats voted "present" and the GoP didn't actually want it to pass?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/house-democrats-republicans -b udget_n_849715.html
 
2013-03-10 05:31:22 PM

Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.


Those are the death throes of the old way. Obamacare fully ramps up next year. You're talking about a massive change to the healthcare infrastructure. Give it a minute to start firing on all cylinders.
 
2013-03-10 05:32:18 PM

Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.



Really?  My premiums have gone down, copays have gone down, coverage has improved, and I've even gotten a rebate the last two years.  My anecdote is better than your anecdote.
 
2013-03-10 05:34:32 PM

Fail in Human Form: According to that website here was the reason for the increase (although it says some people only got about an 11% increase based off of yadda yadda)

Type of Cost:Per Member Increase
Per Month IncreasePortion of Increase
Medical Services* - Cost of providing healthcare
services to policyholders$30.9688.03%
Administrative Expenses - Marketing, claims
processing, and other costs to the
company$3.509.95%Underwriting Gain/Loss - Amount the company keeps
after paying claims and administrative expenses$0.712.02%



You're insurance company is raising premiums because their advertisement costs have gone up.
If they're having trouble marketing not being dead then Obamacare may not be their biggest problem.
 
2013-03-10 05:37:32 PM

Fail in Human Form: Do you save every scrap of mail you get? Ah forget it, believe whatever you want.


from my insurance company, hell yeah. especially if it is spelling out future costs and benefits.
 
2013-03-10 05:40:43 PM

Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Fail in Human Form: Not a clue.


Feel free to repeat this to yourself a few hundred more times in case it hasn't sunk in, this should be your personal mantra.
 
2013-03-10 05:55:03 PM

Fail in Human Form: Princess Ryans Knickers: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

2014

That's when Obamacare goes in.  Want to fail again?

The exchanges are only one factor in the law, so please stop sounding like an idiot, there is no "public option" so the exchanges are going to be private companies.  Will that be better or worse than it is now?


As a healthy single male, his rates probably did go up, people. Probably as much as he says. Don't know about the hours for his friends, but i haven't heard of any cases myself.
 
2013-03-10 05:55:45 PM

Fail in Human Form: Is there someplace I can apply for this "shill" job I keep hearing about? I could use the extra money.


With the amount of time you've invested in this thread, if you're not getting paid for it that may be even sadder than if you are.
 
2013-03-10 05:56:37 PM

Fail in Human Form: cameroncrazy1984: Fail in Human Form: Ohio and I pay more than that for just myself.

So, again, wait until the exchanges go in.

Also, Ohio must suck. I pay $44 a month for myself.

Honestly, I don't see it improving much with the exchanges but I hope I'm proved wrong.  I understand it has helped some people but here's my question.  When you look at it from my perspective (and those I know personally), and very tight budget, how much more should I be willing give up for another's benefit?  I don't say that as an evil "screw'em all" conservative.  I'm honestly asking.


Well, why don't you sit down and figure out what you were paying before every time you had to go to the ER to cover the people who were kicked off any insurance ever because of pre-existing conditions? And then compare it to the projected future rates and your rates now?

Odds are great you aren't, in the long run, sacrificing a damn thing. In fact, you're probably making out like a bandit.

/This is why the 'I can't do the right thing because MONEY!!!111!' argument is usually so stupid. Doing the right thing usually saves you a fark-ton in the long run, so all you've done is make yourself sound like an utter tool.
 
2013-03-10 05:59:36 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: And still waiting on t hose JOBS we were promised by the GOP back in 2010


What? This is a jobs bill. Because tax cuts. Also job creators.
 
2013-03-10 06:03:08 PM
Our insurance is still crap because my husband's employer is a government contractor and was granted a waiver. I don't know how long the waiver can be renewed and find conflicting information about it. My last kid needs to hurry up and get out of diapers so I can start working; with any luck my insurance won't suck as much.
 
2013-03-10 06:09:27 PM

amyldoanitrite: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

I don't know what state you live in, but here in CA, once our state starts its insurance exchange, my family of 4 can get coverage for $124/month at my current income level. This will also be the first time my wife will have had insurance in more than 10 years do to a pre-existing condition.

So yeah, Obamacare is pretty f'ing great from my POV. Would I prefer true single payer? You bet. But this is certainly an improvement.

Wow, that is definitely better than the 2k or whatever a month some Farkers were lamenting a couple years back. But for reference in the socialist texasshole of Canada, Alberta the basic coverage is zero $. Awhile back it used to be 44$ for a family a month for basic health coverage which for some reason doesn't include dental, drugs or eyewear. That comes from supplemental insurance that came out to 90$ total this year.
/2$ deductible for prescriptions
//had to get several month's worth of Fragmin, 1400$ a month... still 2$
///no one wanted to answer the question "What would happen if I had no drug plan and couldn't afford the drug?"
 
2013-03-10 06:11:12 PM

jst3p: JohnnyC: Intentionally including things they know will tank their bill... how Republican of them.

Remember the time they had to scramble to vote "no" on their budget proposal because the Democrats voted "present" and the GoP didn't actually want it to pass?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/house-democrats-republicans -b udget_n_849715.html


Yep, I sure do. Republicans don't govern honestly or with good intention and have no intention of doing so. It's all dog and pony show for those asshats.
 
2013-03-10 06:12:42 PM

Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.


All your friends work at Papa Johns?
 
2013-03-10 06:18:39 PM

nmemkha: All your friends work at Papa Johns?


also why blame a law for the actions of people trying their hardest to be lousy employers?
 
2013-03-10 06:23:20 PM
Unpopular law remains unpopular.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-healthcare-gua r antee.aspx">http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-he althcare-guar antee.aspx
 
2013-03-10 06:27:03 PM

WhyteRaven74: nmemkha: All your friends work at Papa Johns?

also why blame a law for the actions of people trying their hardest to be lousy employers?


because teleprompter
 
2013-03-10 06:30:51 PM

LeoffDaGrate: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Why do I have the feeling that 90$ of everything you just said is a lie?

Yes, your premiums may have gone up, but... they go up every year, right?  Did they, like, triple or something overnight?

And as for your "friends..." highly doubtful.  Lots of talk about companies doing the reduced hours to avoid paying Health Care, but... very, very few substantiated cases.  Maybe your friends just suck at their jobs?


It's all your fault you got raped!  Maybe if your skirts weren't so damned tight this would have never happened.

Nothing he has said hasn't happened although some of it has nothing to do with Obamacare.  Let me add: Some docs are getting out of general care due to the increase in work load/ decrease in compensation for those new patients they have to take on.  The older ones will facing retirement will either retire a bit earllier than planned or find a smaller clinic where they can avoid the heavier patient load.  Government regulation is requiring the use of systems like EPIC to maintain patient records in order to receive compensation for their services- the hospitals get to pick up the tab on this one or they won't be compensated for the additional madated patient load.
Good times ahead.
 
2013-03-10 06:39:07 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Unpopular law remains unpopular.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-healthcare-gua r antee.aspx">http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-he althcare-guar antee.aspx


Gallup couldn't get the presidential election right.
 
2013-03-10 06:44:20 PM

themindiswatching: meat0918: Premiums went up slightly, but it was the smallest increase I've seen in years percentage wise (only 1%), plus my benefits expanded to cover vaccinations and improved what they cover for preventative care.

Indeed. Mine actually didn't go up at all for 2013.


Mine went up ~$70 a pay period but if I let them do a fairly invasive physical, get a rebate of $20 and the knowlege that they can cut me off the insurance tit the day it looks like I might actually need my insurance for other than my annual strep throat/allergy induced eye infection. Turning 50 this year- can't wait for the scoping (I have to cover at least $100 of that) just to find out I may have polyps in my colon.  Hint: we all have polyps.  Colon cancer comes from polyps but not all polyps become cancerous.  For a couple extra hundred, I get to have them removed- just to be sure.  All that for the magic rebate of $20 a pay period.

Thanks Obama
 
2013-03-10 06:48:31 PM

clowncar on fire: and the knowlege that they can cut me off the insurance tit the day it looks like I might actually need my insurance for other than my annual strep throat/allergy induced eye infection


Nothing new about that. Insurance companies have been dicking people over that way since insurance existed.

My step Dad had been paying into his insurance for 30 years. He gets cancer and they dropped him immediately. Treatment ate up almost all of his retirement money. Had nothing to do with Obama.
 
2013-03-10 06:52:00 PM

Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.


It's weird, I was against it but as an employer my costs have gone down and Ive hired two additional staff members in the past year.

Boggling
 
2013-03-10 06:52:45 PM
If the Senate and the President don't like the House budget, they should offer their own for us to take a look at.

While they're at it, all of them should probably take a remedial civics class.

Let me some it up for you:
The Senate ok's the budget.
The House ok's the money.
The President agrees to all of it.

/we invented video games to keep you off our lawns, so there!
 
2013-03-10 06:53:24 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

2014

That's when Obamacare goes in.  Want to fail again?


Implemented in steps since 2012.  Goes full out by 2014.  Not working in the healthcare profession you probably wouldn't even notice the changes that are taking place within healthcare facilities.  Staffing, documentation, monitoring/informationmanagement systems, tying patient ratings (the hospital expirience) to medicare compensation, etc.All these changes are a result of the expected increased patient load and for now the management of information required.  Some over due, some absolutely the product of some idiot who has been away from the field a little too long to be offering any ideas of value.
 
2013-03-10 06:59:41 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

It's weird, I was against it but as an employer my costs have gone down and Ive hired two additional staff members in the past year.

Boggling


'Boggling" mean "i'm a lying troll"?
 
2013-03-10 07:00:47 PM

clowncar on fire: Nothing he has said hasn't happened although some of it has nothing to do with Obamacare.  Let me add: Some docs are getting out of general care due to the increase in work load/ decrease in compensation for those new patients they have to take on.


This is a good point.  Can't blame Obamacare because the private insurance companies don't want to pay doctors.  And this has been in effect since before Obama came to office.  Case in point: my mother's cardiologist.  He left the practice he was in, and moved to somewhere that will pay better.  He left Fairfield County, CT (a.k.a. one of the richest counties in the US, and very high cost of living) because of their lacking payouts.  Granted his story has some Rich People's Problems seasoning, but it illustrates a trend with private insurances.  They dictate what they pay doctors, not the other way around.  If the doctor's office bills the insurance for $150, the insurance pays $45, take it or leave it.  Just because the hospital puts in for a $1,000 Tylenol pill, doesn't mean the hospital sees anywhere near that.
 
2013-03-10 07:01:52 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Unpopular law remains unpopular.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-healthcare-gua r antee.aspx">http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-he althcare-guar antee.aspx


Funny, I see questions about quality and cost of care, a question about the government's responsibility for health coverage, but nothing in there about this "unpopular law" you're referring to.
 
2013-03-10 07:05:23 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Unpopular law remains unpopular.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-healthcare-gua r antee.aspx">http://www.gallup.com/poll/158966/majority-against-gov-he althcare-guar antee.aspx


Inaccurate pollsters remain inaccurate:

How can you give any credibility to the guys who told you this?

conservativebyte.com
 
2013-03-10 07:06:33 PM

Richard Saunders: Silly people.  You're supposed to pass the bill and sign it into law before reading it.

/jeesh


Silly sycophant.  You're supposed to make arguments based on statements taken out of context to people who don't know or don't care what the original context was in the first place.

/jeesh
 
2013-03-10 07:08:22 PM

clowncar on fire: Let me add: Some docs are getting out of general care due to the increase in work load/ decrease in compensation for those new patients they have to take on.


Citation needed.  Note that a link to some opinion piece by a non-medical professional about how they heard that 78 bajillion percent of the doctors in the universe hate Obamacare and are retiring because it's going to force them to be imprisoned in their clinics and treat 500 patients an hour for no pay doesn't count as a citation.
 
2013-03-10 07:14:15 PM

cchris_39: Reverend Monkeypants: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

It's weird, I was against it but as an employer my costs have gone down and Ive hired two additional staff members in the past year.

Boggling

'Boggling" mean "i'm a lying troll"?


No, just observation.  I only have 3 people other than myself on payroll and do lots of subcontracting.  I'm just... confused by some people's stories because I haven't been having that experience.  Your experience is not really what's happening around here musch at all, if at all.  The on;y businesses going down over here are ones run by idiots... like the guy who tried to open the 6th coffee house in town and glean "volunteers" to work for the business.  Farking hippy fail.
 
2013-03-10 07:15:48 PM
Reverend Monkeypants: ... around here musch at all, if at all.  The on;y businesses going down over here are ones run by idiots...
Farking typing fail as well...
 
2013-03-10 07:17:04 PM

Duck_of_Doom: clowncar on fire: Nothing he has said hasn't happened although some of it has nothing to do with Obamacare.  Let me add: Some docs are getting out of general care due to the increase in work load/ decrease in compensation for those new patients they have to take on.

This is a good point.  Can't blame Obamacare because the private insurance companies don't want to pay doctors.  And this has been in effect since before Obama came to office.  Case in point: my mother's cardiologist.  He left the practice he was in, and moved to somewhere that will pay better.  He left Fairfield County, CT (a.k.a. one of the richest counties in the US, and very high cost of living) because of their lacking payouts.  Granted his story has some Rich People's Problems seasoning, but it illustrates a trend with private insurances.  They dictate what they pay doctors, not the other way around.  If the doctor's office bills the insurance for $150, the insurance pays $45, take it or leave it.  Just because the hospital puts in for a $1,000 Tylenol pill, doesn't mean the hospital sees anywhere near that.


The problem is government insurance will pay a lower flat rate than private insurance and then make healthcare facilities jump through hoops to receive payment.  Should a patient complain about the care they received, good luck getting partial payment.

The expensive Tylenol is urban legend- by requesting an itemized bill (most hospitals sell "packages" which are made up of several items expected to be used for a procedure and are sold at flat rate), you can contest individual items you did not use and have them removed from the bill.
 
2013-03-10 07:17:52 PM

clowncar on fire: then make healthcare facilities jump through hoops to receive payment.


What? By all accounts Medicare is easier to deal with than private insurance.
 
2013-03-10 07:18:46 PM

Virtual Pariah: Do we have the ability to recall some of the members of this Congress?


Yes every two years you get a chance
 
2013-03-10 07:21:27 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: cchris_39: Reverend Monkeypants: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

It's weird, I was against it but as an employer my costs have gone down and Ive hired two additional staff members in the past year.

Boggling

'Boggling" mean "i'm a lying troll"?

No, just observation.  I only have 3 people other than myself on payroll and do lots of subcontracting.  I'm just... confused by some people's stories because I haven't been having that experience.  Your experience is not really what's happening around here musch at all, if at all.  The on;y businesses going down over here are ones run by idiots... like the guy who tried to open the 6th coffee house in town and glean "volunteers" to work for the business.  Farking hippy fail.


Like everything the government does- results will vary to from user to user.  Someone else getting different results from the same expirience does not mean they are lying, it means they were effected differently.
 
2013-03-10 07:21:56 PM

Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care".  I was wrong.  All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines.  The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.


How is this the fault of the ACA when it hasn't kicked in yet?
 
2013-03-10 07:24:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: clowncar on fire: then make healthcare facilities jump through hoops to receive payment.

What? By all accounts Medicare is easier to deal with than private insurance.


Not to the medical facilities.  They are tying it to patient satisfaction ratings.  And, as everyone knows, patients are the happiest people in the world and are always happy to say nothing but good about their hospital stay.
 
2013-03-10 07:27:47 PM

clowncar on fire: cameroncrazy1984: clowncar on fire: then make healthcare facilities jump through hoops to receive payment.

What? By all accounts Medicare is easier to deal with than private insurance.

Not to the medical facilities.  They are tying it to patient satisfaction ratings.  And, as everyone knows, patients are the happiest people in the world and are always happy to say nothing but good about their hospital stay.


Maybe those hospitals could be better, if that's the case.
 
2013-03-10 07:28:16 PM

Ishidan: meat0918: Remember folks, $600 billion per year to enable us to blow up sand into more sand and does nothing back home except give us wounded vets to take care of(which the GOP doesn't seem to care about either) and line the pockets of defense contractors is a good use of tax dollars, but $100 billion per year to take care of Americans is the worst socialism to ever socialize.

If history is any guide, it works like this:
Wounded vet comes back and says,
"I sacrificed for this country, send more guys to finish what I couldn't, ooo-rah, Merica!", then the GOP loves him.
Wounded vet comes back and says,
"So, uh, losing my legs here wasn't part of the deal...I got medical insurance for this shiat, right?  And college assistance so I can learn a desk job?", then the GOP could give a fark less.
Wounded vet comes back and says,
"Okay, that sucked and there's no good reason to send more American boys into that suck.  I am now against war, in fact I'm turning Democrat.", then not only does the GOP not care, they'll go out of their way to trivialize it and make up outright slander about it.


And in the end, the wounded vet votes Republican anyway and tells everyone that Democrats hate America.
 
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