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2013-03-10 10:49:57 AM  

ThisSideofSteinway: Sorry to join in on the beatdown, but heck - the guy who preceded Rand Paul got his start as a pitcher for the Phillies.


Jim Bunning started out as a House member and after 13 years he ran for Senate. He did not walk back into a state after his baseball career was over and decide he was going to run statewide.
 
2013-03-10 10:51:28 AM  
Have no fear, Kentucky. Ashley Judd is so dumb that she makes Maxine Waters look like Einstein. She's going to get destroyed in the primary by a ham sammich and go back to Hollywood to cry on The View about how mean those rednecks are and then publish a book about how women are being held back.
 
2013-03-10 10:55:24 AM  

WTF Indeed: Like all celebrities, she'll get tired of daily grind that is running for high office and coupled with a legitimate primary challenger, she'll lose and/or drop out.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-10 10:56:48 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
img.ehowcdn.com
 
2013-03-10 10:57:48 AM  

WTF Indeed: ThisSideofSteinway: Sorry to join in on the beatdown, but heck - the guy who preceded Rand Paul got his start as a pitcher for the Phillies.

Jim Bunning started out as a House member and after 13 years he ran for Senate. He did not walk back into a state after his baseball career was over and decide he was going to run statewide.


Perfectly valid point. Our point was just that your original contention was far too generalized, and that more than a few celebrities have successfully transitioned into electoral politics, with several beginning at the state level. (And yes, in those instances each was running in a more ideologically friendly state, so the precedent does look shaky for Judd.)
 
2013-03-10 10:57:51 AM  

WTF Indeed: Like all celebrities, she'll get tired of daily grind that is running for high office and coupled with a legitimate primary challenger, she'll lose and/or drop out.


You rang?

static.prtst.net
 
2013-03-10 10:59:30 AM  

ThisSideofSteinway: Perfectly valid point. Our point was just that your original contention was far too generalized, and that more than a few celebrities have successfully transitioned into electoral politics, with several beginning at the state level. (And yes, in those instances each was running in a more ideologically friendly state, so the precedent does look shaky for Judd.)


I should have said "Like many"
 
2013-03-10 11:01:41 AM  

Rusty Shackleford: As a Canadian who spent last weekend in Kentucky, I'm getting a kick, etc.

- Learned it's pronounced Lou-ah-ville;
- Learned that you guys keep the good bourbon down there for yourselves;
- Learned that US gun shows are both entertaining and frightening.

One question remains: every little town we drove through had a nice old town square, with nothing but 20 or so lawyers' offices in it. WTF?


Did you loom to see if a bar was close? Lawyers love to get their clients right next door.

/Grew up in a small town
//lawyers office was above the bar
///was also the mayor
 
2013-03-10 11:02:16 AM  
Mitch McConnell is legalized bribery's best friend in Washington. There should be a picture of him next to the word corruption in the dictionary. He and his ilk are turning America into a banana republic where bribery and graft are the only ways anything gets done. Ashley Judd by virtue of not being him has my vote.
 
2013-03-10 11:03:03 AM  
When will Jennifer Lawrence be eligible to run for office?
Surely the herione of both  "Winter's Bone" and District 12 could unite the state.
 
2013-03-10 11:04:32 AM  
I wish WTF Indeed and I had a side bet on this...
 
2013-03-10 11:05:24 AM  

WTF Indeed: Like all celebrities, she'll get tired of daily grind thai.imgur.comrop out.

 
2013-03-10 11:07:48 AM  

Oldiron_79: jayphat: Does it ever bother anyone that, and I'll use this situation assuming she gets the nod and it's her and Mitch, this is the absolute best we can come up with? Of all the people in this state, these two are the most qualified to fulfil the job? No one else would, could, and should be doing a better job?

Am I the only person who is just straight out pissed at this system?

Well its hard to get a serious candidate from the "wrong party" (blue candidate in red state and vice versa) because if you are say a congressman or state rep from a "wrong party" district you are looking at giving up your house seat in order to maybe win put probably lose the senate seat.

And of course if you are the "right party" for your state its considered bad form to challenge the incumbent from your party unless there is some scandal thats likely to make him(or her) lose in the general election, and you will have the full weight of the party machine working against you and for the incumbent.


I guess I was referring to the whole "this party vs that party" mentality. I mean, as an example and not to belittle your statement, you immediately thought of getting a house member from either party to run for Senator. Why? Why don't we actually let normal citizens run for these things instead of career politicians. Like the peoples House. A job that was meant to be held by normal Americans is now used as a JV squad for the Senate, something it was never meant to be thought of or meant to be.
 
2013-03-10 11:08:14 AM  
From wikipedia:

They did not have children, with Judd telling the Sunday Mail, "It's unconscionable to breed, with the number of children who are starving to death in impoverished countries"

That is a big red flag for me.

Humans are selfish. They are supposed to care only for themselves and those who are closely related. This is evolutionary warfare; our genes matter more than the next persons.

Pure altruism does not befit our species because in survival of the fittest we fight to pass our genes along. If she does not think that her genes deserve more of a chance than others, well, thats just not humanity.

I am unsure if I can explain this without looking like a total douche. I guess the most basic thing to say is that "Normal healthy people do not act that way". Is there some underlying psychological condition that she has that she excuses by saying that?
 
2013-03-10 11:09:26 AM  

johnryan51: What did St. Reagan do before becoming prez?


He was the head of Hollywoods largest and most powerful union.
 
2013-03-10 11:14:49 AM  
As a Kentuckian, I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies.

Dems thought that running George Clooney's dad (a successful local newscaster and columnist) for congress was a fantastic idea, and he got his butt kicked by Geoff Davis. Judd left her roots a long time ago and while no doubt she has name recognition, she would lose handily to either McConnell or the random Tea Party candidate who might challenge and beat McConnell.
 
2013-03-10 11:16:22 AM  

MFAWG: johnryan51: What did St. Reagan do before becoming prez?

He was the head of Hollywoods largest and most powerful union.


I believe he spent some time as governor of California between those two gigs.
 
2013-03-10 11:17:07 AM  
jayphat: Oldiron_79: jayphat: Does it ever bother anyone that, and I'll use this situation assuming she gets the nod and it's her and Mitch, this is the absolute best we can come up with? Of all the people in this state, these two are the most qualified to fulfil the job? No one else would, could, and should be doing a better job?

Am I the only person who is just straight out pissed at this system?

Well its hard to get a serious candidate from the "wrong party" (blue candidate in red state and vice versa) because if you are say a congressman or state rep from a "wrong party" district you are looking at giving up your house seat in order to maybe win put probably lose the senate seat.

And of course if you are the "right party" for your state its considered bad form to challenge the incumbent from your party unless there is some scandal thats likely to make him(or her) lose in the general election, and you will have the full weight of the party machine working against you and for the incumbent.

I guess I was referring to the whole "this party vs that party" mentality. I mean, as an example and not to belittle your statement, you immediately thought of getting a house member from either party to run for Senator. Why? Why don't we actually let normal citizens run for these things instead of career politicians. Like the peoples House. A job that was meant to be held by normal Americans is now used as a JV squad for the Senate, something it was never meant to be thought of or meant to be.


I agree with you that it is farked up, but that is the system as we know it.
 
2013-03-10 11:19:01 AM  

uncoveror: Mitch McConnell is legalized bribery's best friend in Washington. There should be a picture of him next to the word corruption in the dictionary. He and his ilk are turning America into a banana republic where bribery and graft are the only ways anything gets done. Ashley Judd by virtue of not being him has my vote.


You sure you're not talking about William Jefferson? Ol' Freezer Fulla Cash himself?
 
2013-03-10 11:25:23 AM  

cman: From wikipedia:

They did not have children, with Judd telling the Sunday Mail, "It's unconscionable to breed, with the number of children who are starving to death in impoverished countries"

That is a big red flag for me.


That sounds a lot better than "My family is kinda farked up with a lot of issues, even if we do have some fame.  I'm afraid if I bring another one of us into the world, I'll have more of the same for the rest of my life".

Just wild speculation on my end, but it sounds more feasible to me than her official reason.
 
2013-03-10 11:26:38 AM  

WTF Indeed: Like all celebrities, she'll get tired of daily grind that is running for high office and coupled with a legitimate primary challenger, she'll lose and/or drop out.


www.nndb.com

hey there!
 
2013-03-10 11:26:46 AM  
Meanwhile in the sidebar:
i.huffpost.com
Selena Gomez Helped Dad Pick Up Hooters Waitresses

She's just gone into Anna Nicole Smith territory - can I fark you AND adopt you? And can you take care of the golddigger money part b/c you haz and I very don't?
 
2013-03-10 11:26:54 AM  

jayphat: Does it ever bother anyone that, and I'll use this situation assuming she gets the nod and it's her and Mitch, this is the absolute best we can come up with? Of all the people in this state, these two are the most qualified to fulfil the job? No one else would, could, and should be doing a better job?

Am I the only person who is just straight out pissed at this system?


I'm going with nobody that is actually qualified wants to do it.  I'm sure there are plenty of smart people around KY that could do a fine job.  Look at what it means to be a high level politician these days.  Holy balls, Obama asks for spicy mustard on his burger and people go apeshiat.  Look at the shiat about Bush's daughters getting drunk in college, as if most of the people making the judgements and manufactured outrage didn't do it themselves, or as if their own children won't/didn't do the same thing in college. Anything you say, eat, whoever you meet with, etc will receive scorn and ridicule for at least the time you hold office, probably longer, and the same goes for your family.  F*ck that.

I think a lot of this is because of the myriad of 24hr "news" organizations simply needing to fill every second of airtime with something, so they make a big deal out of anything they can latch onto.
 
2013-03-10 11:28:00 AM  

squibbits: sources say

Another piece of craptacuar journalism by Huffpost.


That most likely means that the Huffpo orks know who said it, but they can't tell you who said it.
Lighten up, Francis.
 
2013-03-10 11:29:15 AM  
Ruby in Paradise.
 
2013-03-10 11:29:56 AM  

WTF Indeed: Like all celebrities, she'll get tired of daily grind that is running for high office and coupled with a legitimate primary challenger, she'll lose and/or drop out.


i29.tinypic.com

this business will get out of control!
 
2013-03-10 11:35:34 AM  

jayphat: Oldiron_79: jayphat: Does it ever bother anyone that, and I'll use this situation assuming she gets the nod and it's her and Mitch, this is the absolute best we can come up with? Of all the people in this state, these two are the most qualified to fulfil the job? No one else would, could, and should be doing a better job?

Am I the only person who is just straight out pissed at this system?

Well its hard to get a serious candidate from the "wrong party" (blue candidate in red state and vice versa) because if you are say a congressman or state rep from a "wrong party" district you are looking at giving up your house seat in order to maybe win put probably lose the senate seat.

And of course if you are the "right party" for your state its considered bad form to challenge the incumbent from your party unless there is some scandal thats likely to make him(or her) lose in the general election, and you will have the full weight of the party machine working against you and for the incumbent.

I guess I was referring to the whole "this party vs that party" mentality. I mean, as an example and not to belittle your statement, you immediately thought of getting a house member from either party to run for Senator. Why? Why don't we actually let normal citizens run for these things instead of career politicians. Like the peoples House. A job that was meant to be held by normal Americans is now used as a JV squad for the Senate, something it was never meant to be thought of or meant to be.


What's stopping you?
 
2013-03-10 11:38:36 AM  

MFAWG: johnryan51: What did St. Reagan do before becoming prez?

He was the head of Hollywoods largest and most powerful union.


And he only got that gig because TPTB knew he'd cooperate with the alcoholic paranoid fascism of Joe McCarthy & HUAC in destroying the careers of people who were considered too liberal for America. I think the term they used for Reagan was "useful idiot".
 
2013-03-10 11:40:52 AM  
Amazing the self-involvement of celebrities

/see AlGore
 
2013-03-10 11:41:07 AM  

ThisSideofSteinway: jayphat: Oldiron_79: jayphat: Does it ever bother anyone that, and I'll use this situation assuming she gets the nod and it's her and Mitch, this is the absolute best we can come up with? Of all the people in this state, these two are the most qualified to fulfil the job? No one else would, could, and should be doing a better job?

Am I the only person who is just straight out pissed at this system?

Well its hard to get a serious candidate from the "wrong party" (blue candidate in red state and vice versa) because if you are say a congressman or state rep from a "wrong party" district you are looking at giving up your house seat in order to maybe win put probably lose the senate seat.

And of course if you are the "right party" for your state its considered bad form to challenge the incumbent from your party unless there is some scandal thats likely to make him(or her) lose in the general election, and you will have the full weight of the party machine working against you and for the incumbent.

I guess I was referring to the whole "this party vs that party" mentality. I mean, as an example and not to belittle your statement, you immediately thought of getting a house member from either party to run for Senator. Why? Why don't we actually let normal citizens run for these things instead of career politicians. Like the peoples House. A job that was meant to be held by normal Americans is now used as a JV squad for the Senate, something it was never meant to be thought of or meant to be.

What's stopping you?


In all honesty, my wife.
 
2013-03-10 11:49:23 AM  
Anybody (also, nobody in the sense of a vacated seat) is better than Mitch Mcconnell. He said that all he was going to do was try to keep Obama from getting reelected.

Sorry, Mitch, that's not your job. I don't care who the president is, your job is representing your state in legislative matters. You don't belong in Congress if that's your take on things.
 
2013-03-10 11:51:14 AM  

cman: From wikipedia:

They did not have children, with Judd telling the Sunday Mail, "It's unconscionable to breed, with the number of children who are starving to death in impoverished countries"

That is a big red flag for me.

Humans are selfish. They are supposed to care only for themselves and those who are closely related. This is evolutionary warfare; our genes matter more than the next persons.

Pure altruism does not befit our species because in survival of the fittest we fight to pass our genes along. If she does not think that her genes deserve more of a chance than others, well, thats just not humanity.

I am unsure if I can explain this without looking like a total douche. I guess the most basic thing to say is that "Normal healthy people do not act that way". Is there some underlying psychological condition that she has that she excuses by saying that?


Or it could be an underlying medical problem.  Like a broken bajingo, or what have you.  Sprained volvo.
I also forgot to have offspring, or women find me resistible, and often say the same thing; there really are too many rugrats on this rock.
Also, Kentuckian... I can say that.
 
2013-03-10 11:56:41 AM  
Go Ashley! Your neighbors to the north would love to look south and say "are they really that stupid?".

/Michigan does it too
//So does Canada
 
2013-03-10 12:00:45 PM  

Rusty Shackleford: As a Canadian who spent last weekend in Kentucky, I'm getting a kick, etc.
One question remains: every little town we drove through had a nice old town square, with nothing but 20 or so lawyers' offices in it. WTF?


These towns are spread out in more rural areas with one per County, and known as the County Seat

They all shut down around 5pm and many have no other services available other than legal and government-related ones.
The County Seat is the operations center of the county government, here one will find the county courthouse, sheriff's office, jail, clerks office, tax offices, health department and usually an office of the state police.
So that might explain all the lawyers.
 
2013-03-10 12:02:16 PM  

shotglasss: Have no fear, Kentucky. Ashley Judd is so dumb that she makes Maxine Waters look like Einstein. She's going to get destroyed in the primary by a ham sammich and go back to Hollywood to cry on The View about how mean those rednecks are and then publish a book about how women are being held back.


Google is that friend you have who will keep you from saying stupid shiat.

From the Wiki

Judd received a MPA from the JFK School of Government from Harvard in 2010
 
2013-03-10 12:06:07 PM  

PornStarStuntDouble: shotglasss: Have no fear, Kentucky. Ashley Judd is so dumb that she makes Maxine Waters look like Einstein. She's going to get destroyed in the primary by a ham sammich and go back to Hollywood to cry on The View about how mean those rednecks are and then publish a book about how women are being held back.

Google is that friend you have who will keep you from saying stupid shiat.

From the Wiki

Judd received a MPA from the JFK School of Government from Harvard in 2010


I know some very stupid people who have advanced educations. It means nothing, and Ashley Judd is still stupid.
 
2013-03-10 12:12:30 PM  

NaziKamikaze: Anybody (also, nobody in the sense of a vacated seat) is better than Mitch Mcconnell. He said that all he was going to do was try to keep Obama from getting reelected.

Sorry, Mitch, that's not your job. I don't care who the president is, your job is representing your state in legislative matters. You don't belong in Congress if that's your take on things.


mitch does very well at representing Kentucky in legislative matters, and really, trying to keep Obama out of office was a Priority for Kentucky as it could greatly affect coal.
 
2013-03-10 12:13:01 PM  

cman: From wikipedia:

They did not have children, with Judd telling the Sunday Mail, "It's unconscionable to breed, with the number of children who are starving to death in impoverished countries"

That is a big red flag for me.

Humans are selfish. They are supposed to care only for themselves and those who are closely related. This is evolutionary warfare; our genes matter more than the next persons.

Pure altruism does not befit our species because in survival of the fittest we fight to pass our genes along. If she does not think that her genes deserve more of a chance than others, well, thats just not humanity.

I am unsure if I can explain this without looking like a total douche. I guess the most basic thing to say is that "Normal healthy people do not act that way". Is there some underlying psychological condition that she has that she excuses by saying that?


Yeah, it's called "I don't like / want kids but if I don't make up a socially acceptable reason people will call me a dy*e."

I can understand someone not wanting kids, but society at large doesn't. There's your human selfishness, and it's easy to understand.
 
2013-03-10 12:15:43 PM  

shotglasss: PornStarStuntDouble: shotglasss: Have no fear, Kentucky. Ashley Judd is so dumb that she makes Maxine Waters look like Einstein. She's going to get destroyed in the primary by a ham sammich and go back to Hollywood to cry on The View about how mean those rednecks are and then publish a book about how women are being held back.

Google is that friend you have who will keep you from saying stupid shiat.

From the Wiki

Judd received a MPA from the JFK School of Government from Harvard in 2010

I know some very stupid people who have advanced educations. It means nothing, and Ashley Judd is still stupid.


I grant that she'll probably lose to McConnell, but even that is no forgone conclusion. After all, she'll enjoy running on Hillary's coattails, which will give her a measurable boost even in Kentucky. Besides, never underestimate a conservative Republican's ability to insert foot into mouth and bite down firmly.

But the real reason I want to see her run is to force Turtleface have to run hard just to retain his seat, instead of the foregone conclusion when he runs against some unknown patsy. In fact, I'd like to see the Dems put famous, accomplished candidates up against EVERY GOP Senator and Rep to force them to run hard on their actual platform. You know, the one that is bought and sold by the uberwealthy and that distains the common citizen.
 
2013-03-10 12:17:55 PM  

PornStarStuntDouble: shotglasss: Have no fear, Kentucky. Ashley Judd is so dumb that she makes Maxine Waters look like Einstein. She's going to get destroyed in the primary by a ham sammich and go back to Hollywood to cry on The View about how mean those rednecks are and then publish a book about how women are being held back.

Google is that friend you have who will keep you from saying stupid shiat.

From the Wiki

Judd received a MPA from the JFK School of Government from Harvard in 2010


Doesn't count - everyone knows an MPA from Harvard's JFK School of Government is the new high school diploma.

/Not that shotglasss knows what either of those are.
 
2013-03-10 12:24:07 PM  

Stone Meadow: After all, she'll enjoy running on Hillary's coattails, which will give her a measurable boost even in Kentucky.


Umm... what's Hillary running for in 2014?
 
2013-03-10 12:24:20 PM  
This will be interesting....her MOM is a big conservative.  Her daughter is a big lib.
Now the age old question can be answered.
Is BLOOD thicker than WATER.
 
2013-03-10 12:24:36 PM  

Oldiron_79: WTF Indeed: Like all celebrities, she'll get tired of daily grind that is running for high office and coupled with a legitimate primary challenger, she'll lose and/or drop out.

Well seeing that KY is a solidly red state, and she is planning on running as a Dem, there is a perfectly good chance that she won't have a serious (like dem house member or state leg member) candidate  opposing her in the primary and she'ss actually end up against whomever the Republican is int he general election.


Actually, we're not a solid red state.   Louisville, Frankfort, and Lexington all went for Obama last election.  It just isn't enough people to override the inbred tards out in the mountains.
 
2013-03-10 12:25:27 PM  
McConnell only got 53% in 2008.
 
2013-03-10 12:30:17 PM  

skantea: Also, sometimes she says she was raped three times, and other times just twice.


maybe she just likes rape
 
2013-03-10 12:31:48 PM  

Rusty Shackleford: One question remains: every little town we drove through had a nice old town square, with nothing but 20 or so lawyers' offices in it. WTF?


lots of guns
lots of liquor
lots of need to split up property/assess damages/prosecute/defend in the aftermath
 
2013-03-10 12:35:21 PM  

semiotix: Stone Meadow: After all, she'll enjoy running on Hillary's coattails, which will give her a measurable boost even in Kentucky.

Umm... what's Hillary running for in 2014?


For POTUS in '16. You know this...don't be obtuse. ;^)
 
2013-03-10 12:35:25 PM  
Based on this thread, it looks like we're near or past peak Judd already.
 
2013-03-10 12:38:05 PM  

cman: max_pooper: cman: I believe that "Kentuckian" is the proper nomenclature

Hill Billy is also acceptable

Way to show your bigotry


That's what we call ourselves, but please help us some more, Yankee.
 
2013-03-10 12:38:41 PM  

king_nacho: NaziKamikaze: Anybody (also, nobody in the sense of a vacated seat) is better than Mitch Mcconnell. He said that all he was going to do was try to keep Obama from getting reelected.

Sorry, Mitch, that's not your job. I don't care who the president is, your job is representing your state in legislative matters. You don't belong in Congress if that's your take on things.

mitch does very well at representing Kentucky in legislative matters, and really, trying to keep Obama out of office was a Priority for Kentucky as it could greatly affect coal.


No he doesn't, he blocks bills that would create jobs, votes against laws that help protect women, and is costing us a lot of military jobs.

Trying to keep Obama out of office is nowhere near a priority for Kentucky...at all.   And coal isn't some sacred cow, it is a rock that burns, but doesn't burn cleanly and it is incredibly messy to get to.  We're a beautiful state and coal mining is costing us some truly beautiful areas.

so fark you.
 
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