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2013-03-09 09:24:45 PM  
Well, bye.
 
2013-03-09 09:34:49 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
MARS! WWHAHAHAHRRGRAHRGHAGHBL!!!

4.bp.blogspot.com

drugline.org

Well, don't let the atmosphere hit you on the way out.
 
2013-03-09 09:39:25 PM  
I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa did, not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
 
2013-03-09 09:45:35 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x428]
MARS! WWHAHAHAHRRGRAHRGHAGHBL!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

[drugline.org image 195x274]

Well, don't let the atmosphere hit you on the way out.


You're just gonna go kicking and screaming, aren't you?
 
2013-03-09 09:45:35 PM  
Get yoah ass to Mahz...
 
2013-03-09 09:46:56 PM  
SEE YUU AHT DAH PAHTEE, RICHTAH!!!
 
2013-03-09 09:48:45 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-09 09:52:24 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x428]
MARS! WWHAHAHAHRRGRAHRGHAGHBL!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

[drugline.org image 195x274]

Well, don't let the atmosphere hit you on the way out.


Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy.  So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.
 
2013-03-09 10:02:50 PM  
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-03-09 10:03:48 PM  

BigLuca: Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy. So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.


I don't get it, if someone thinks that tax dollars are better spent on robotic missions that is fine, I work in human spaceflight and I don't disagree.

But Musk is wanting to use money from a business that the tax dollars only pay a small portion of for development and then the rest is earned for services rendered. And that is just to get him started,

I honestly don't know why that one develops such a massive stiffy for exploration, which I think is the motivation for the development of human knowledge and culture.
 
2013-03-09 10:05:17 PM  

BigLuca: Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy. So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.


That you have to be insane to not understand the size of the vast emptiness that is space, that sci-fi is fiction and not real engineering, that materials have limits, and that none of the delusions from the Space Age make any sense.

And I don't hate space exploration. Like I've said about 1/Planck times, I hate the delusions and uncritical gee whizz attitude of otherwise normal people when confronted with the escapist drivel from the space whackjobs.

Some poor idiot wants to die on Mars, it's a mental illness, not some sign that Star Trek is just around the corner. Because you just know that's how some people think.

Still too complicated to understand?
 
2013-03-09 10:06:00 PM  
I hate to mention it, but since this is Fark, what is that on his face, Quaid, start the reactor?
 
2013-03-09 10:10:06 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: BigLuca: Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy. So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

That you have to be insane to not understand the size of the vast emptiness that is space, that sci-fi is fiction and not real engineering, that materials have limits, and that none of the delusions from the Space Age make any sense.

And I don't hate space exploration. Like I've said about 1/Planck times, I hate the delusions and uncritical gee whizz attitude of otherwise normal people when confronted with the escapist drivel from the space whackjobs.

Some poor idiot wants to die on Mars, it's a mental illness, not some sign that Star Trek is just around the corner. Because you just know that's how some people think.

Still too complicated to understand?


no.  there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades
and they're looking for people like Snooki and THIS MAN!!

http://www.space.com/16300-mars-one-reality-show-colony.html
 
2013-03-09 10:15:29 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades


Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?
 
2013-03-09 10:16:30 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?


well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it
 
2013-03-09 10:21:30 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: BigLuca: Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy. So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

That you have to be insane to not understand the size of the vast emptiness that is space, that sci-fi is fiction and not real engineering, that materials have limits, and that none of the delusions from the Space Age make any sense.

And I don't hate space exploration. Like I've said about 1/Planck times, I hate the delusions and uncritical gee whizz attitude of otherwise normal people when confronted with the escapist drivel from the space whackjobs.

Some poor idiot wants to die on Mars, it's a mental illness, not some sign that Star Trek is just around the corner. Because you just know that's how some people think.

Still too complicated to understand?




I see you're a visionary .
 
2013-03-09 10:23:17 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: BigLuca: Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy. So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

That you have to be insane to not understand the size of the vast emptiness that is space, that sci-fi is fiction and not real engineering, that materials have limits, and that none of the delusions from the Space Age make any sense.

And I don't hate space exploration. Like I've said about 1/Planck times, I hate the delusions and uncritical gee whizz attitude of otherwise normal people when confronted with the escapist drivel from the space whackjobs.

Some poor idiot wants to die on Mars, it's a mental illness, not some sign that Star Trek is just around the corner. Because you just know that's how some people think.

Still too complicated to understand?


Oh, I think I understand your position now.
 
2013-03-09 10:24:56 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it


Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG
 
2013-03-09 10:25:58 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it

Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG


Guys like you are necessary to humanity. I mean, SOMEONE has to be on the wrong side of history.
 
2013-03-09 10:27:33 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it

Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG


cause this one is real

www.nkeconwatch.com
 
2013-03-09 10:31:24 PM  

Little_Dictator: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it

Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG

Guys like you are necessary to humanity. I mean, SOMEONE has to be on the wrong side of history.


LOL. Let me guess, *YOU*'re on the right side? Because of a Yoda coffee cup? Delusional child.

Answer any one of my questions instead of descending into facile slogans and emotional imagery.

Here's another question just for you: How are you going to act when reality finally sinks in that humanity isn't going anywhere?
 
2013-03-09 10:32:44 PM  
There's an interesting short story by Theodore Sturgeon that deals with that possibility.
 
2013-03-09 11:06:16 PM  
Mars ain't the type of place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as Hell.
 
2013-03-09 11:10:40 PM  
Sigh. We won't live on Mars. We're not built for it. We evolved here. We're made to live here. When we're out there, we lose bone density, our eyes get screwed up, and our brains turn to mush. Even with all the technology at our disposal, there's no way to survive there long-term. There's no reason to withstand the trip, either.

It's a cool science fiction trope, but it's just not likely to happen. Not unless we figure out a way to give Mars the same gravity, atmosphere, temperature, flora and fauna as Earth.

And no, we don't have anywhere near the technology to do that. We probably won't be able to do all of that in the next 100 years. We will probably wipe ourselves out before that happens.
 
2013-03-09 11:17:49 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Sigh. We won't live on Mars. We're not built for it. We evolved here. We're made to live here. When we're out there, we lose bone density, our eyes get screwed up, and our brains turn to mush. Even with all the technology at our disposal, there's no way to survive there long-term. There's no reason to withstand the trip, either.

It's a cool science fiction trope, but it's just not likely to happen. Not unless we figure out a way to give Mars the same gravity, atmosphere, temperature, flora and fauna as Earth.

And no, we don't have anywhere near the technology to do that. We probably won't be able to do all of that in the next 100 years. We will probably wipe ourselves out before that happens.


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2013-03-09 11:18:29 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG


Shimuzu still lists both the space hotel idea and lunar bases on their website.  http://www.shimz.co.jp/english/theme/dream/spacehotel.html  Its not clear if they ever actually had serious plans to build it, or if the old CNN article was the media overplaying something, as usual.  In any case, Shimuzu originally stated a target year of 2020 assuming that low cost reusable launch vehicles for human passengers were available by that time, to make space tourism affordable.  Virgin Galactic, Space X and others are getting closer, but the timeline is probably off by a few years.

Solaren, as I understand it, is still under contract to start providing 200 MW of energy to Pacific Gas and Electric as of 2016, for 15 years.  I wouldn't be surprised if this one folded. It would have been nice to see a proof of concept small scale satelite with the energy beaming before any contracts were made.  Also, solar panels have had significant effeciency improvements in the last few years, even for ground based cells.  Their idea is still worth pursuing, but a contract to start in 2016 was overambitious.

OTRAG was stopped by politics, not because the tech wasn't sound or the company went under.  Something about the French and Russians in the 70s and 80s still having an issue with Germans developing new rocket technology.  Also, the testing grounds were in Libya and Zaire, which caused its own issues.  Ultimately, the project became unnecessary because Germany joined the joint European rocket program - Ariane. However, the tech was shown to be feasible in concept, and some current rocket companies (Armadillo Aeronautics for one) are trying it out.
 
2013-03-09 11:45:34 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Sigh. We won't live on Mars. We're not built for it. We evolved here. We're made to live here. When we're out there, we lose bone density, our eyes get screwed up, and our brains turn to mush. Even with all the technology at our disposal, there's no way to survive there long-term. There's no reason to withstand the trip, either.


Probably true, at least mostly, and at least for now. But two things.

One, none of those problems are going to be insurmountable in the long run. We already know how to do it. As a species we may not be willing to spend the money or run the risks, but if we really wanted to, we could put the first human on mars in twenty or thirty years - and not for a simple flag-planting, either, but to stay. And once we're there, while we may have to live mostly underground, the only thing we won't be able to replicate is the gravity. Yes, 0.37g isn't terribly ideal for creatures that evolved at 1g. Yes, we wouldn't be able to perfectly reproduce the environment we left behind. Yes, the colony would be dependent on supplies from earth for quite a while. Yes, the trip itself would be dangerous. And yes, life expectancies for martian colonists would likely be significantly lower than they would be for similarly healthy people on earth. But nothing is actually stopping us completely if we were actually willing to try.

And two, despite that litany of difficulties, despite the virtual guarantee that the first few generations of colonists would be knowingly cutting their lives years or even decades short even if everything goes perfectly, I can absolutely guarantee you that the lines of volunteers would encircle the farking planet. I personally don't agree that there's no reason to go. However, even if there wasn't, humans have *never* needed a reason to motivate them to explore. If you went into any aerospace company, or physics or astronomy department, or similar organization of science-oriented people, and asked how many of them would sign up for a one-way trip to mars, I'd be willing to bet good money that you'd get better than 50% responding 'yes'. I know for certain that *I* would, and I'm about the biggest chicken you'll ever meet. If you offered me the slot accompanied by a warning that the mission would have a 95% chance of killing me in 20 years even if everything went as planned, my only question would be 'where do I sign?'. Bottom line, humanity contains more than enough people willing to put their lives on the line to see what's over the next hill to get us to mars.
 
2013-03-09 11:55:06 PM  

MuonNeutrino: the only thing we won't be able to replicate is the gravity.


Even that's not insurmountable. Kind of a pain, but not insurmountable.

Not to mention with gene therapy, you could probably breed humans who DON'T lose bone density in low g. Ethically a bit shady, but...
 
xcv
2013-03-10 12:07:23 AM  

BigLuca: Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x428]
MARS! WWHAHAHAHRRGRAHRGHAGHBL!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

[drugline.org image 195x274]

Well, don't let the atmosphere hit you on the way out.

Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy.  So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.


That's no satire.

Every IQ point and dollar that was wasted on space exploration, 3D printing, flying machines, computers smaller than a room etc have been resources denied to life extension research. Because science is a zero-sum game. All science Nobel Prizes should be rescinded from their recipients and awarded to Ponce de Leon for his valiant effort.
 
2013-03-10 12:10:49 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Little_Dictator: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it

Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG

Guys like you are necessary to humanity. I mean, SOMEONE has to be on the wrong side of history.

LOL. Let me guess, *YOU*'re on the right side? Because of a Yoda coffee cup? Delusional child.

Answer any one of my questions instead of descending into facile slogans and emotional imagery.

Here's another question just for you: How are you going to act when reality finally sinks in that humanity isn't going anywhere?


People may be overly optimistic about advances in space travel/exploration, but I'd like to answer your questions with a few questions of my own.  If you had been born only a few hundred years ago, would you have believed that anything like modern computers would ever exist?  How about plastics?  Vaccines?  Even if you had believed any of those things were possible, you'd have probably been burned at the stake for being a heretic if you ever spoke a word about them.  There's a lot of problems with space travel, and many of them remain unsolved.  I don't dispute that.  I personally have no idea how to deal with them in a practical manner, but the probability that there ARE solutions for each of these problems is greater than zero, and unless we nuke ourselves back to prehistory, statistically we'll find them eventually.
 
2013-03-10 12:13:53 AM  

xcv: BigLuca: Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x428]
MARS! WWHAHAHAHRRGRAHRGHAGHBL!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

[drugline.org image 195x274]

Well, don't let the atmosphere hit you on the way out.

Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy.  So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

That's no satire.

Every IQ point and dollar that was wasted on space exploration, 3D printing, flying machines, computers smaller than a room etc have been resources denied to life extension research. Because science is a zero-sum game. All science Nobel Prizes should be rescinded from their recipients and awarded to Ponce de Leon for his valiant effort.


Roflmao, if THAT's his beef with space exploration I think he needs to look around at his fellow humans a bit more.  The longer we live the more crowded the planet gets, and with few exceptions "Hell is other people."
 
2013-03-10 12:17:21 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it

Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG


Well, none of those projects involved a private company, with it's own successful rockets. Musk has his own rockets, his own space capsule, and billions in launch contracts and the proven ability to meet those contracts.

Your denigration of 3D printing is just ignorant, and denies current reality. What's it good for? Mostly saving money on one-off production, allowing innovators to proceed with their projects without major corporate funding. Also it is revolutionizing the medical field in several research areas. You must not be paying attention.
 
2013-03-10 01:31:01 AM  
So ... Hotel Best Korea is really their first warp-capable start destroyer?
 
2013-03-10 03:47:46 AM  
a straitjacket, huh? perfect thing for a hysterically screaming luddite to poast.

/ya frikkin Woodward
 
2013-03-10 04:04:03 AM  
mybroadband.co.za
 
2013-03-10 04:36:22 AM  

xcv: That's no satire.

Every IQ point and dollar that was wasted on space exploration, 3D printing, flying machines, computers smaller than a room etc have been resources denied to life extension research. Because science is a zero-sum game. All science Nobel Prizes should be rescinded from their recipients and awarded to Ponce de Leon for his valiant effort.


nosureifserious.jpg
 
2013-03-10 06:30:16 AM  

relaxitsjustme: xcv: That's no satire.

Every IQ point and dollar that was wasted on space exploration, 3D printing, flying machines, computers smaller than a room etc have been resources denied to life extension research. Because science is a zero-sum game. All science Nobel Prizes should be rescinded from their recipients and awarded to Ponce de Leon for his valiant effort.

nosureifserious.jpg


He's mocking QA, try to keep up.

/life extension is stupid, all the extra years are at the end when you're deaf, blind, crippled, and incontinent
 
2013-03-10 06:46:31 AM  

BigLuca: Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x428]
MARS! WWHAHAHAHRRGRAHRGHAGHBL!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

[drugline.org image 195x274]

Well, don't let the atmosphere hit you on the way out.

Other than your maniacal hatred of space exploration (and incorrect apostroph'e usage), you seem like a pretty normal guy.  So I always assumed the space thing was some sort of satirical/sarcastic statement ... but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.



I always figured space had abused QA as a child.
 
2013-03-10 07:30:33 AM  

Mister Peejay: /life extension is stupid, all the extra years are at the end when you're deaf, blind, crippled, and incontinent


WHAT? Who said that? I used to be an adventurer. boomboom.
 
2013-03-10 07:31:10 AM  

starsrift: I always figured space had abused QA as a child.


Show us on this 3D printed doll where Space touched you.
 
2013-03-10 07:35:40 AM  
Space belongs to the machines.  If anything human ends up living somewhere besides on earth, he/she/it will not be anything a person today would recognize as human.

/fish evolved to live out of water
//but what lives out of water is no longer a fish
 
2013-03-10 12:18:50 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: That you have to be insane to not understand the size of the vast emptiness that is space, that sci-fi is fiction and not real engineering, that materials have limits, and that none of the delusions from the Space Age make any sense.

And I don't hate space exploration. Like I've said about 1/Planck times, I hate the delusions and uncritical gee whizz attitude of otherwise normal people when confronted with the escapist drivel from the space whackjobs.

Some poor idiot wants to die on Mars, it's a mental illness, not some sign that Star Trek is just around the corner. Because you just know that's how some people think.

Still too complicated to understand?


As a guy that designs spacecraft for a living, I don't think the guy that wants to die on mars is the insane one here. You sound like an unhinged crazy fark.

Material limits? Waaaaah? There are shiat loads of materials that are just fine in the worst environments and they are plenty cheap. And BTW deep space is far from the worst place we put materials. Being inside a light water reactor is far more shiatty than deep space.

Space is big and therefore bad? What the fark are you babbling about. To get to Mars on a conjunction class mission takes about six months. To get to India from England back in the last great age of exploration took about the same time with technology that sucked donkey balls.

If knew anything about space and humans being there for a long time you would have raised what are the really issues for long duration flight away from Earths Magnetosphere and that is the fact that we live near a massive out of control unshielded fusion reactor that is exactly the size of the Sun and if that was not bad enough there are fast as crap almost light speed metal nuclei called galactic cosmic rays that cannot be effectively shielded from without an unacceptable mass penalty. Those are the real threats for traveling beyond Earth.

But not "space is really big" or "materials is bad" crap. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?
 
2013-03-10 01:02:40 PM  
The way I see it, Space is the current analog to the oceans centuries ago.  By that I mean, there might not be any real benefit to going out there ourselves, but there also  could be.  Sending out probes and such can't satiate our natural desire to  be there ourselves.  Maybe it stems from being nomadic tribes long before we were "civilized" but it is human nature to explore.

Do I think we're going to be all "Starfleet" and have a "Federation" by in the next few centuries?  Eh, probably not, just the same I'm not psychic and one of the funny things about "future" technologies, is that they are virtually impossible to predict, even on a short timeline of 20-30 years.  Hindsight is 20/20 but foresight is blind as it were.

Some people are perhaps too optimistic, however QA (either in earnest or in troll) is so consistently and astoundingly pessimistic that people get spun into a tizzy.  Most people are quite receptive to the  idea that we as a species  might eventually wind up with technology  like "Star Trek".  I hesitate to call QA closed minded, simply because it  seems like he simply comes to different conclusions than the rest of us.  To put it another way, we look at this picture and say the car is red because that's what color it has been painted, whereas QA might say it's black because that is what color the tires are.
 
2013-03-10 01:17:28 PM  
Whatever, I'm getting really tired of his SPITTLE FLECKED CONSTANT HYSTERICAL SCREAMING.
 
2013-03-10 02:07:25 PM  

Kittypie070: Whatever, I'm getting really tired of his SPITTLE FLECKED CONSTANT HYSTERICAL SCREAMING.


And the funny thing is, it never responds to me for some reason. Given the fact that I work in human spaceflight, you'd think that he'd want to have a conversation or debate.

I am beginning to think that it is just a weird lonely technology troll.
 
2013-03-10 02:47:50 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: no. there's actually gonna be a reality show on Mars in the next few decades

Oh how cute. I'm sure they'll stay at the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel on their way to Mars on a 3D printed spaceship. Great view of the Solaren orbiting solar arrays from there. Waitaminit, none of those things ever happened, or ever will. Hmm, I wonder if this is all just another scam with "private space" in it?

well 3D printing *IS* the future isn't it

Of course it is. I fully expect it to fully replace every single industrial or chemical process out there. All this nonsense about different kinds of materials and precision machinery to make ICs, it's just a conspiracy to prevent us geeks from 3D printing houses.

Tell me exactly what you think 3D printing is the future of? What is it you think we can't build now but 3D printing will let us? What is it you think we haven't been doing already for the last 20 years or so? There is no "future" of 3D printing, you're living in it NOW. 3D printing is like VR was in the '90s. Lots of hype, with a very few legitimate uses for very technical people.

And can you tell me what happened to the Space Hotel? Or Solaren? Or OTRAG? What's different this time?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9705/25/japan.space/
http://www.ecogeek.org/component/content/article/2686
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG


"These computer things are just a fad.."
 
2013-03-10 06:10:05 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Some poor idiot wants to die on Mars, it's a mental illness...


That would be the poor idiot billionaire who has built the first private space launchers and is testing reusable rocket booster technology?  The guy who's space capsule is currently docked to the ISS?

He wants to colonize Mars, lots of other people do too, and he thinks he can do it with the tech he's developing in about 15 years.  He thinks a Mars colony can be self-sustaining with current tech and a few billion in investment.  He thinks the issues involved in this can be overcome and that he can do it.

And at this point, you're kind-of dumb if you're confident that he's wrong.
 
2013-03-10 06:12:56 PM  
Mind you, I'M not going.  I'd rather live out on the Canadian Shield (and I don't want to do that).  But I admire the hell out of him for what he's doing.

/There's GOLD on Mars. GOLD I tells ya'.
 
2013-03-10 06:55:11 PM  
He wants to die on Mars but not on impact?

That is doable.   There are plenty of ways to die on Mars once one has landed.
 
2013-03-10 08:53:29 PM  
I am kind of surprised that this image hasn't shown up in the thread yet.

i2.listal.com
 
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