Your_Huckleberry: Obviously the reboot made tons of money and no one can deny it re-charged the franchise. It belongs to Abrahms now. There is something odd about him being 'in control' of both Star Trek and Star Wars, but that's the way it is. He's got the keys
Ginnungagap42: Ishkur: You know what I'd like to see?A Star Trek movie that uses true science fiction to explore humanity's sense of wonder at the infinite. It could have a real philosophical puzzler with a Rod Serling-esque twist at the end, and spark profound contemplation on life, reality, and the nature of the human condition. I miss when Star Trek meant discovery and exploration of the unknown and unexplained.But hey.... gotta sell movie tickets or something.I came here to say almost exactly this.
theorellior: GAT_00: And one of the earlier trailers quite clearly showed Enterprise shot to hell and crashing.It was built in the middle of the canyons of Iowa, they'll be able to lift it out of the gravity well no problem.
cptjeff: Confabulat: But who cares about that crap, it was always about Kirk and Spock and McCoy getting into wacky adventures.Did you "purists" never notice that? It was a fun and silly show, with lots of green sex and space hippies and tribbles and Mudd. Sorry you didn't ever catch onto that part.Well, it was about Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, anyway. But your childish mind missed that each represented elements of the human condition, and that those wacky adventures were largly morality plays that pitted those various human impulses against each other.It was fun and silly in many respects, but if you weren't 8, you might have caught on to a few deeper levels than that.
Confabulat: J.J. Abrams's version of Trek is the version of Trek I grew up dreaming about back in the 70s and 80s. I was a kid and it was pretty hard to find Star Trek reruns but I ate them up when I could.When I was in college they debuted The Next Generation and I watched it and liked it, but it always fell short of TOS for me. The other shows other than DS9 are nonsense and should be ignored.But who cares about that crap, it was always about Kirk and Spock and McCoy getting into wacky adventures.Did you "purists" never notice that? It was a fun and silly show, with lots of green sex and space hippies and tribbles and Mudd. Sorry you didn't ever catch onto that part.Tell me more about how wise and brilliant it was.Brain brain, where is brain?
kendelrio: Honestly, who dissects a freaking TV show like this?????
that bosnian sniper: kendelrio: Honestly, who dissects a freaking TV show like this?????Hi, welcome to the Star Trek thread.
kendelrio: I think **some** of us are reading a little too much into a TV series. Honestly, who dissects a freaking TV show like this?????
MurphyMurphy: I feed off internet crying, I think it makes good movies like this that much more enjoyable.Knowing I don't have my head up my ass so far I can actually sit down and watch a farking movie... a movie, not a epic undertaking of man that must somehow exceed every landmark that's occurred before it. An hour and 30min story with cinematography and special effects,
Blathering Idjut: kendelrio: I think **some** of us are reading a little too much into a TV series. Honestly, who dissects a freaking TV show like this?????Martin Luther King Jr. who famously talked Nichelle Nichols out of quitting because she inspired black folks everywhere.Not to mention astronauts Ronald McNair, Candy Torres, Sally Ride and Judith Resnik along with countless other scientists, doctors and engineers that have spent the decades after they grew up watching the original Trek a better place for us all.Sure, it was occasionally campy. But it's a pretty ignorant position to take that it wasn't until later incarnations that it became cerebral. Roddenberry was in a constant battle with the network because despite the 60s sexual vibe he wanted to include women in positions of power, or black folks as officers. Or deal with actual issues tearing the nation apart such as the war in Vietnam or race relations.It's sad that folks who enjoy the fun but shallow newer movies to the original series need to try and bring the original series down. It's seems they would be much happier if they could just find a shiny object to stare at rather than attack a show that was way ahead of it's time.
Mad_Radhu: GAT_00: Ishkur: Mugato: That was the first movie and the fifth movie and people hated themThe first movie was a paper-thin TOS plot stretched out for two hours. The problem wasn't the idea, the problem was the pacing. The fifth movie was just awful for a number of dumb reasons (Uhuru strip tease/God/bad SFX, etc.)Hard sci fi is attempted every now and then with mixed acclaim. The most recent one I remember was Moon. I don't mind action movies or even Star Trek movies where the action drives the plot. I just hope the new one has a little more substance to it and is more cohesive than the last one.Hard sci-fi is difficult in movies because you simply can't do it right in 120 pages.2001, 12 Monkeys, The Andromeda Strain, Primer, and Gattaca were all some great hard-ish science fiction movies. Also, Contact would have benefited from more time to tell its story, but they did a decent job telling the story in 2 hours (I just wish the last part of the story was fit in because some of the themes just don't work without the big twist of the atheist scientist finding proof the universe was created via the path of math and reason instead of faith and prayer).
shooosh: theorellior: GAT_00: And one of the earlier trailers quite clearly showed Enterprise shot to hell and crashing.It was built in the middle of the canyons of Iowa, they'll be able to lift it out of the gravity well no problem.Yes, Iowa is known for its many canyons.
kendelrio: Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the original series to and I understand the issues addressed on it. (A RUSSIAN> on our tv????), I just don't attach that much importance to ANY tv show..../except Airwolf...
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