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(Slate)   Kansas anti-science bill that would have cast doubt on global warming fails to make it through state legislature--but only because its sponsors were too incompetent to meet filing deadline   (slate.com) divider line 29
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2013-03-09 07:44:52 PM  
4 votes:
It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."
2013-03-09 08:22:56 PM  
3 votes:

GilRuiz1: To make it more interesting, there's this.   A study published in the journal Nature Climate Change shows the more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming.

I assume this is what the scientists who conducted the study look like:


From the article "A study just published online in the journal Nature Climate Change suggests that the answer to both questions is no. Indeed, as members of the public become more science literate and numerate, the study found, individuals belonging to opposing cultural groups become even more divided on the risks that climate change poses."

No, it means idiology trumps education. If you're a republican you doubt the climate research no matter how much science you understand.
2013-03-10 10:51:15 AM  
2 votes:

serial_crusher: If that's the case they did a hell of a bad job of wording the thing. I think they're under the actual impression that science will be on their side if they can just kill off the perceived echo chamber and get people doing actual science again.
"The legislature encourages the teaching of such scientific controversies to be made in an objective manner in which both the strengths and weaknesses of such scientific theory or hypothesis are covered."
That's step 5 on the sceintific method flowchart. "analyze results and draw conclusions".


Well, it isn't 90%.

Actually, there is more controversy about dark matter  than there is about AGW.  Here is a pie chart...

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2013-03-09 09:18:11 PM  
2 votes:

fenianfark: The Dog Ate My Homework: Part of me wants to feel sorry for Kansans, but they keep electing complete idiots to lead them by huge margins of victory. So basically, they have no one to blame but themselves.

On top of that the stupidity is impacting my state's (Missouri) legislature.

Kansas is digging itself a huge hole by slashing revenues, so in their infinite wisdom, Missouri Republicans want to cut taxes/make them more regressive, in order to compete with Kansas. You know, make it more 'business friendly' while slashing spending that actually helps Missourians.

In a race to the bottom with Brownbackistan, nobody wins.


That sound you hear is thousands of Kansans fleeing to Colorado.

fark Brownback, fark Fred Phelps. Those two rotten farks work night and day to make the state look bad and be worse.
2013-03-09 09:00:12 PM  
2 votes:

PsiChick: serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.

Legally forcing teachers to explain that 90% of scientists agree with climate change would have been wonderful, I agree.


OK, kids.  It's time for our legislatively-mandated class on critical thinking in science.  So here's the data:

95% of scientists agree that man-made global warming - or at least man-made climate change - is a real thing.  The other 5% of air-quotes "scientists" /close air quotes - are uniformly engineers and not actually researchers, or geologists who know less about the climate than the weather girl with the inflated ballons in her chest that swell / collapse as the barometric pressure changes - and are all paid directly by oil companies anyway.  This is akin to a drug mule arrested with 15 condoms of blow lodged in his anus telling you that crack is cool.

There is no evidence for 'intelligent design'.  None at all.  More people have sex in the champagne room than have ever found evidence of creationism.  At most creationism can poke temporary and eventually filled holes in the theory of evolution.  Which is akin to saying that because a piece of fruit is not red, it must be an orange.
2013-03-09 08:43:57 PM  
2 votes:

atomic-age: Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."

Brownback is doing his level best to turn Kansas into a third world country: a rich person's paradise (aside from the vermin, weather, and neighbors) and make the poor, working class, and middle class fund it.


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2013-03-09 08:29:07 PM  
2 votes:

you are a puppet: Most of them probably also think the Earth is 5000 years old so deadlines are tough to meet thanks to their conversion table. A 60 day deadline you say? We'll get back to you in 9 million years.


I believe the critical failing of conservatives and fundamentalists is a basic lack of imagination.

Sea's aren't boiling today, and North America is no longer covered in a mile of ice, and they can't imagine that that could ever change.

They aren't poor, can get the morning off to go vote in short lines, and have never experienced racial profiling from a police officer, therefore those things are just liberal fantasies.

They believe in a God powerful enough to create life, the universe, and everything in the year 4004 BC.  They believe that if you took Barry's time machine back to 4005 BC all you'd see is a formless void.  They cannot imagine a God powerful enough to create a universe in media res.  It's like believing that nothing happened in the Star Wars story before Vader's star destoyer shot up the princess's ship over Tattoine - despite the fact that the opening crawl is there in plain English.

They believe that limiting information on contraception will prevent their children from having sex, lacking the imagination to remember how they acted at 17.
2013-03-09 07:57:09 PM  
2 votes:

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


... I'll put you down as "possible double-sarcasm."
2013-03-09 05:56:05 PM  
2 votes:

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


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2013-03-09 05:23:53 PM  
2 votes:
To be fair, the use of a calendar was considered witchcraft at one point.
2013-03-10 01:52:59 AM  
1 votes:
To clarify, saying that this bill died because it "missed a filing deadline" is technically correct, but it implies that there was something to file (such as a committee report) that was not filed for some reason; this bill (Kansas HB2306) died because it was never heard by the committee it was referred to, which is a common way for bills to die in state legislatures and Congress. TFA's author is assuming that this bill was crushed by the bureaucracy of the Kansas Legislature when all that happened was that the chair of the Kansas House Standing Committee on Education (and whoever else is involved in setting the committee's agenda) correctly recognized that this bill wasn't worth the committee's time, and moved on.
2013-03-10 01:46:52 AM  
1 votes:
Marking the first time in history science was saved by bureaucracy.
2013-03-10 01:02:48 AM  
1 votes:

GilRuiz1: study published in the journal Nature Climate Change


actually this is what they said

"A study just published online in the journalNature Climate Changesuggests that the answer to both questions is no. Indeed, as members of the public become more science literate and numerate, the study found, individuals belonging to opposing cultural groups become even more divided on the risks that climate change poses."

and  what it means is that the more someone knew about science, the more likely you were to make those facts fit what they thought their peers did about the subject. it  did not suggest the smarter you are in science the less likely you believe in global warming.

Troll-face, indeed.
2013-03-10 12:54:34 AM  
1 votes:
Am I the only one that realizes this was the plan? Introduce some legislation to rouse the rabble, then next time you go fundraising you say "We need to try again, we almost passed it last time."

It why they never really get their way. If they got their way it's all over and they wind up in a position of weakness.
2013-03-09 09:52:57 PM  
1 votes:

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Holy crap, man, you collected the whole set.

I thought I'd seen all of those but apparently I'd missed a couple. GJ!

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2013-03-09 09:48:44 PM  
1 votes:

Selena Luna: It was in the name of giving teachers the ability to teach unscientific lies instead of the scientific method.


In this case specifically pseudo-scientific propaganda perpetuated and paid for by various big energy concerns meant to muddy the waters in the debate over how best to react to AGW.

On odd days they try much the same thing with Creationism pushed by the fundamentalist lobby.

Sad that the only thing that stopped it from becoming law was incompetence rather than intelligence still I'll take a victory for common sense where ever I can find it.

bmongar: the Kansas senate did kill the anti strip club law Friday.  So they occasionally do do something right.


See, like that right there. Small favors, all that.
2013-03-09 09:45:20 PM  
1 votes:

quatchi: Cue Teach the Controversy pics.


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2013-03-09 09:32:43 PM  
1 votes:
Nothing that the GOP does "casts doubt on global warming". It may cast derp, but not doubt.
2013-03-09 09:12:22 PM  
1 votes:

The Dog Ate My Homework: Part of me wants to feel sorry for Kansans, but they keep electing complete idiots to lead them by huge margins of victory. So basically, they have no one to blame but themselves.


On top of that the stupidity is impacting my state's (Missouri) legislature.

Kansas is digging itself a huge hole by slashing revenues, so in their infinite wisdom, Missouri Republicans want to cut taxes/make them more regressive, in order to compete with Kansas. You know, make it more 'business friendly' while slashing spending that actually helps Missourians.

In a race to the bottom with Brownbackistan, nobody wins.
2013-03-09 08:58:05 PM  
1 votes:
Interesting that people who are "anti-science" and "anti-critical thinking" seem to be so incompetent in so many areas requiring logical thought.
2013-03-09 08:56:25 PM  
1 votes:

GilRuiz1: To make it more interesting, there's this.   A study published in the journal Nature Climate Change shows the more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming.


Looking at the charts in the actual study (charts are free, article isn't) it looks like the real message is that opinions on global warming are almost uncorrelated with science education, except that somehow "Hierarchical individualists" (read: authoritarian conservatives) seem to get stupider as they get smarter.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n10/full/nclimate1547.html

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2013-03-09 08:49:49 PM  
1 votes:

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


Legally forcing teachers to explain that 90% of scientists agree with climate change would have been wonderful, I agree.
2013-03-09 08:24:14 PM  
1 votes:
fark Brownback and fark all the inbred morons who voted for that piece of shiat.

/rockchalk
2013-03-09 08:11:06 PM  
1 votes:
To make it more interesting, there's this.   A study published in the journal Nature Climate Change shows the more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming.

I assume this is what the scientists who conducted the study look like:
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2013-03-09 08:06:21 PM  
1 votes:

Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."


Brownback is doing his level best to turn Kansas into a third world country: a rich person's paradise (aside from the vermin, weather, and neighbors) and make the poor, working class, and middle class fund it.
2013-03-09 06:43:14 PM  
1 votes:
The GOP incompetence buys some time, anyway.
2013-03-09 06:29:47 PM  
1 votes:
well, if they had adopted the time cube calender none of this would have happened.
2013-03-09 06:10:43 PM  
1 votes:
This thread needs a summoning card.
2013-03-09 05:42:29 PM  
1 votes:
whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.
 
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