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(Slate)   Kansas anti-science bill that would have cast doubt on global warming fails to make it through state legislature--but only because its sponsors were too incompetent to meet filing deadline   (slate.com) divider line 180
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2013-03-09 05:23:53 PM
To be fair, the use of a calendar was considered witchcraft at one point.
 
2013-03-09 05:29:44 PM
Kansas state legislature did something right?

Um, okay... Hurray for Kansas!

*reads article*

 ...this bill died due to missing a deadline for filing.

Gonna take have to take half a point off there.
 
2013-03-09 05:42:29 PM
whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.
 
2013-03-09 05:56:05 PM

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


Cue Teach the Controversy pics.
 
2013-03-09 06:10:43 PM
This thread needs a summoning card.
 
2013-03-09 06:29:47 PM
well, if they had adopted the time cube calender none of this would have happened.
 
2013-03-09 06:43:14 PM
The GOP incompetence buys some time, anyway.
 
2013-03-09 07:25:00 PM
Shouldn't have used Huntsman's staffers.
 
2013-03-09 07:44:52 PM
It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."
 
2013-03-09 07:57:09 PM

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


... I'll put you down as "possible double-sarcasm."
 
2013-03-09 08:01:57 PM
Ironic tag taking stupid tag out for dinner.
 
2013-03-09 08:05:01 PM
I'm imagining a poli sci major intern who became disillusioned with the party 'forgetting' to file.
 
2013-03-09 08:06:21 PM

Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."


Brownback is doing his level best to turn Kansas into a third world country: a rich person's paradise (aside from the vermin, weather, and neighbors) and make the poor, working class, and middle class fund it.
 
2013-03-09 08:08:35 PM

Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."


It scares them. Some of the disciplines take years of effort to be adequate in. The higher maths? Sorry, you keep going up or you stop.
 
2013-03-09 08:08:47 PM
Let's get this out of the way right now.

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2013-03-09 08:11:06 PM
To make it more interesting, there's this.   A study published in the journal Nature Climate Change shows the more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming.

I assume this is what the scientists who conducted the study look like:
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2013-03-09 08:12:15 PM

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


"science" being the important word there.
 
2013-03-09 08:12:45 PM

2wolves: Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."

It scares them. Some of the disciplines take years of effort to be adequate in. The higher maths? Sorry, you keep going up or you stop.


In Brownbackistan, higher maths equate to 1+1=2 (future slaves do not need to count, only their overseers need to learn how to count).
 
2013-03-09 08:14:08 PM
Hoist with their own petard.
 
2013-03-09 08:14:29 PM

SilentStrider: This thread needs a summoning card.


These new trolls are lacking compared to Bevets.
 
2013-03-09 08:15:06 PM

Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."


Even better when they use science to try to discredit science.
 
2013-03-09 08:20:27 PM
Most of them probably also think the Earth is 5000 years old so deadlines are tough to meet thanks to their conversion table. A 60 day deadline you say? We'll get back to you in 9 million years.
 
2013-03-09 08:22:56 PM

GilRuiz1: To make it more interesting, there's this.   A study published in the journal Nature Climate Change shows the more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming.

I assume this is what the scientists who conducted the study look like:


From the article "A study just published online in the journal Nature Climate Change suggests that the answer to both questions is no. Indeed, as members of the public become more science literate and numerate, the study found, individuals belonging to opposing cultural groups become even more divided on the risks that climate change poses."

No, it means idiology trumps education. If you're a republican you doubt the climate research no matter how much science you understand.
 
2013-03-09 08:24:02 PM

Ishkur: Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."

Even better when they use science to try to discredit science.


Wait, wait, how can that be allowed?
 
2013-03-09 08:24:14 PM
fark Brownback and fark all the inbred morons who voted for that piece of shiat.

/rockchalk
 
2013-03-09 08:27:57 PM

Close2TheEdge: Let's get this out of the way right now.

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I'm not sure he still frequents fark.  Regardless though, we shall soldier on without his enlightening discourse.
 
2013-03-09 08:29:07 PM

you are a puppet: Most of them probably also think the Earth is 5000 years old so deadlines are tough to meet thanks to their conversion table. A 60 day deadline you say? We'll get back to you in 9 million years.


I believe the critical failing of conservatives and fundamentalists is a basic lack of imagination.

Sea's aren't boiling today, and North America is no longer covered in a mile of ice, and they can't imagine that that could ever change.

They aren't poor, can get the morning off to go vote in short lines, and have never experienced racial profiling from a police officer, therefore those things are just liberal fantasies.

They believe in a God powerful enough to create life, the universe, and everything in the year 4004 BC.  They believe that if you took Barry's time machine back to 4005 BC all you'd see is a formless void.  They cannot imagine a God powerful enough to create a universe in media res.  It's like believing that nothing happened in the Star Wars story before Vader's star destoyer shot up the princess's ship over Tattoine - despite the fact that the opening crawl is there in plain English.

They believe that limiting information on contraception will prevent their children from having sex, lacking the imagination to remember how they acted at 17.
 
2013-03-09 08:32:39 PM

inglixthemad: SilentStrider: This thread needs a summoning card.

These new trolls are lacking compared to Bevets.


What, lacking wasting ten years doing the same bullshiat?
 
2013-03-09 08:33:46 PM
Kansas: Too stupid to be stupid.
 
2013-03-09 08:36:30 PM
Deadlines are only a theory. Teach the controversy!
 
2013-03-09 08:37:13 PM

GilRuiz1: more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming


Well the more science-literate somebody is, the more they should doubt thing in general and rely upon evidence. Scientists tend to be more skeptical as the methodology of science relies heavily on doubt and re-analysis.
 
2013-03-09 08:40:14 PM
I thought Global Warming was good now, preventing and ice age.

Yay Industrialization!
 
2013-03-09 08:40:41 PM

quatchi: Kansas state legislature did something right?

Um, okay... Hurray for Kansas!

*reads article*

 ...this bill died due to missing a deadline for filing.

Gonna take have to take half a point off there.


the Kansas senate did kill the anti strip club law Friday.  So they occasionally do do something right.
 
2013-03-09 08:43:57 PM

atomic-age: Skail: It still baffles me that, in this day and age and in this first-world country, there can be people who are "anti-science."

Brownback is doing his level best to turn Kansas into a third world country: a rich person's paradise (aside from the vermin, weather, and neighbors) and make the poor, working class, and middle class fund it.


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2013-03-09 08:48:58 PM
I still think sometimes about what trouble we'd still be in if the Bush-Cheney were even vaguely as competent in matters of government and getting their shiat done as they were at lying, stealing stuff, and 'catapulting the propaganda'.
 
2013-03-09 08:49:49 PM

serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.


Legally forcing teachers to explain that 90% of scientists agree with climate change would have been wonderful, I agree.
 
2013-03-09 08:53:42 PM

PsiChick: serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.

Legally forcing teachers to explain that 90% of scientists agree with climate change would have been wonderful, I agree.


More like 98%, but I'm sure that fact wouldn't be part of the curriculum.
 
2013-03-09 08:56:25 PM

GilRuiz1: To make it more interesting, there's this.   A study published in the journal Nature Climate Change shows the more science-literate a person is, the more they doubt global warming.


Looking at the charts in the actual study (charts are free, article isn't) it looks like the real message is that opinions on global warming are almost uncorrelated with science education, except that somehow "Hierarchical individualists" (read: authoritarian conservatives) seem to get stupider as they get smarter.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n10/full/nclimate1547.html

www.nature.com

www.nature.com
 
2013-03-09 08:56:54 PM
Part of me wants to feel sorry for Kansans, but they keep electing complete idiots to lead them by huge margins of victory. So basically, they have no one to blame but themselves.
 
2013-03-09 08:58:05 PM
Interesting that people who are "anti-science" and "anti-critical thinking" seem to be so incompetent in so many areas requiring logical thought.
 
2013-03-09 09:00:12 PM

PsiChick: serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.

Legally forcing teachers to explain that 90% of scientists agree with climate change would have been wonderful, I agree.


OK, kids.  It's time for our legislatively-mandated class on critical thinking in science.  So here's the data:

95% of scientists agree that man-made global warming - or at least man-made climate change - is a real thing.  The other 5% of air-quotes "scientists" /close air quotes - are uniformly engineers and not actually researchers, or geologists who know less about the climate than the weather girl with the inflated ballons in her chest that swell / collapse as the barometric pressure changes - and are all paid directly by oil companies anyway.  This is akin to a drug mule arrested with 15 condoms of blow lodged in his anus telling you that crack is cool.

There is no evidence for 'intelligent design'.  None at all.  More people have sex in the champagne room than have ever found evidence of creationism.  At most creationism can poke temporary and eventually filled holes in the theory of evolution.  Which is akin to saying that because a piece of fruit is not red, it must be an orange.
 
2013-03-09 09:06:53 PM

Karac: PsiChick: serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.

Legally forcing teachers to explain that 90% of scientists agree with climate change would have been wonderful, I agree.

OK, kids.  It's time for our legislatively-mandated class on critical thinking in science.  So here's the data:

95% of scientists agree that man-made global warming - or at least man-made climate change - is a real thing.  The other 5% of air-quotes "scientists" /close air quotes - are uniformly engineers and not actually researchers, or geologists who know less about the climate than the weather girl with the inflated ballons in her chest that swell / collapse as the barometric pressure changes - and are all paid directly by oil companies anyway.  This is akin to a drug mule arrested with 15 condoms of blow lodged in his anus telling you that crack is cool.

There is no evidence for 'intelligent design'.  None at all.  More people have sex in the champagne room than have ever found evidence of creationism.  At most creationism can poke temporary and eventually filled holes in the theory of evolution.  Which is akin to saying that because a piece of fruit is not red, it must be an orange.


...Well, I had a slightly lower number, but I was  agreeing with you...
 
2013-03-09 09:07:50 PM

WTF Indeed: To be fair, the use of a calendar was considered witchcraft at one point.


True. The count of days led to some messy human sacrifices in Mesoamerica. No wonder Republicans don't like math.
 
2013-03-09 09:12:22 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Part of me wants to feel sorry for Kansans, but they keep electing complete idiots to lead them by huge margins of victory. So basically, they have no one to blame but themselves.


On top of that the stupidity is impacting my state's (Missouri) legislature.

Kansas is digging itself a huge hole by slashing revenues, so in their infinite wisdom, Missouri Republicans want to cut taxes/make them more regressive, in order to compete with Kansas. You know, make it more 'business friendly' while slashing spending that actually helps Missourians.

In a race to the bottom with Brownbackistan, nobody wins.
 
2013-03-09 09:18:11 PM

fenianfark: The Dog Ate My Homework: Part of me wants to feel sorry for Kansans, but they keep electing complete idiots to lead them by huge margins of victory. So basically, they have no one to blame but themselves.

On top of that the stupidity is impacting my state's (Missouri) legislature.

Kansas is digging itself a huge hole by slashing revenues, so in their infinite wisdom, Missouri Republicans want to cut taxes/make them more regressive, in order to compete with Kansas. You know, make it more 'business friendly' while slashing spending that actually helps Missourians.

In a race to the bottom with Brownbackistan, nobody wins.


That sound you hear is thousands of Kansans fleeing to Colorado.

fark Brownback, fark Fred Phelps. Those two rotten farks work night and day to make the state look bad and be worse.
 
2013-03-09 09:19:38 PM
I wonder if there was some sort of a field of .. . I dunno. . knowledge? That could describe the passage of time in such a way that people could predict when something was due.

But nah, that'd be heresy.
 
2013-03-09 09:23:02 PM

quatchi: serial_crusher: whew, that was a close one.  For a minute there I was afraid our students would have to be exposed to Republican propaganda like "critical thinking", and schools would be forced to teach science objectively.

Cue Teach the Controversy pics.


I would like to add, though I'm sure that quatchi understands this, that this bill was not in the name of teaching critical thinking. It was in the name of giving teachers the ability to teach unscientific lies instead of the scientific method.
 
2013-03-09 09:32:43 PM
Nothing that the GOP does "casts doubt on global warming". It may cast derp, but not doubt.
 
2013-03-09 09:41:42 PM

cubic_spleen: Nothing that the GOP does "casts doubt on global warming". It may cast derp, but not doubt.


I don't know. Pretty much everything the GOP does casts doubt on the entire concept of "human knowledge" if you ask me...
 
2013-03-09 09:45:20 PM

quatchi: Cue Teach the Controversy pics.


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