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(Opposing Views)   Nine-year-old boy brings cupcakes to school for his birthday, gets in trouble for what he decorated them with. Were the decorations a) giant swastikas, b) pretty pot leaves, or c) little green army men?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 21
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2013-03-09 02:17:12 PM
5 votes:
if you really give a shiat about nonviolence in school hire some playground monitors that actually do something when a kid is getting his little arse beat.
2013-03-09 02:20:28 PM
4 votes:
How can anyone, in good conscience, put their kids into such an insane system?

Homeschooling: It isn't just for Religious Fundies anymore.
2013-03-09 02:20:02 PM
2 votes:
This is what happens when we allow stupid people to proceed without being informed that they are incredibly stupid.
2013-03-09 01:14:28 PM
2 votes:
I'm so glad I grew up in the 80s.
2013-03-09 01:10:03 PM
2 votes:
Ohyouhavegottobeshiattingme.
2013-03-10 12:20:49 AM
1 votes:

Thunderboy: I can understand that, and I never meant to suggest that it was the fault of teachers/administrators, because I know they are beholden to the school board and parents in general.


Yeah, and you're right that is a really uncreative and unintelligent policy and way of looking at the world. The media right-hand left-hand thing here is really bewildering to me - they report on stories like this with all the ourage in the world, without seeming to understand that these very policies are natural outcroppings of their own hysteria and fear-mongering.


I'm single with no kids, so my perspective here is limited-to-irrelevant, but pretty much all of my friends are married and have wonderful children, and I really fear for their futures.

Where did this hyper-sensitive derp come from, anyway?  We've been surrounded by violence since forever, so that's not it.



Media over-hype and hero worship of school shooters? Parents committed to raising each child like it's a second coming that should never ever feel pain or rejection? Either way, my generation will be the last generation with a real American childhood - playing outside, taking bike rides outside of our parent's earshot, heading off into the woods with a BB gun, being able to walk alone to the bus stop. And that is sad.
2013-03-09 08:54:21 PM
1 votes:
Give me a farking  break
2013-03-09 06:06:57 PM
1 votes:

Thunderboy: Zero-tolerance is a bullshiat cop-out.  "It's just too much to have to process any given situation, so let's just rule all possible situations unacceptable and be done with it."


Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what happens when stupid people are allowed to be educators.  They spout back whatever bullshiat nonsense they've heard on advocating non-violence, no mater how nonsensical, and they apply it to all things, no matter how insignificant.  NO critical thought or plain old common sense, whatsoever.


It really is amazing how quickly people can become ensnared in wrong or illogical thinking when it prevails in their industry and is tied into their professional ethics. The TSA is probably another good example. A lot of professions have an us-against-the-world mentality, in the sense that no one who doesn't perform the job could ever have a sense of what it's like and is therefore incapable of really forming an opinion. I came into teaching with no preconceived ideas regarding zero-tolerance policy (and no education degree, so I hadn't been inculcated into the whole non-violence at all costs dogma), firmly embraced it while I was a teacher because co-workers and more experienced educators quickly paved the way for it be tied into my moral code and sense of protection over the small children I took care of - and then rejected it when I stopped teaching and took a step back because it made no sense, is wickedly counter-productive, and puts kids who should be in detention or even just given a few minutes to cool off with their backs against the recess fence...in jail.

But that said, Thunderboy, even though I largely agree with you, I do need to point out that sometimes they don't have a choice. It's not up to individual teachers to decide whether to enforce a policy that they will lose their jobs if they don't enforce, and even the administrators who set the policies have their hands tied by terrified and paranoid snowflake-parents. Tough situation. Can't say I have the first idea what to really do about it.
2013-03-09 03:57:51 PM
1 votes:

SundaesChild: I'm just as surprised he didn't get in trouble for bringing sugary cupcakes to school instead of raw organic carrots or locally sustainable grapes or something.


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2013-03-09 03:47:13 PM
1 votes:
Meanwhile, a child chokes on a plastic toy placed in food brought to a classroom and you're all screaming about the idiot teacher that let children near food with an obvious choking hazard.

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Kinder eggs, still illegal in the land of the free.
2013-03-09 03:17:55 PM
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: There are over 90,000 elementary schools in the United States. Getting outraged by the one off cases of stupidity is pointless. Since this case represents such a small minority of public school teachers, it's unfair to paint all of them with such a wide brush.


Either you're trolling or you're ignoring the fact that one of these kinds of stories pops up damned near daily.

Plastic army guys, pointing and saying "bang", suspended for allegedly biting a pop tart into the shape of a gun and then offering counselling for those students who were "distressed".  And that's just March 2013.

Both my parents were teachers as is my brother and his wife.  I have great respect for the idea of public education.  But Dad retired, in large part, because he couldn't deal with this kind of BS administrative decisions.
2013-03-09 02:55:58 PM
1 votes:
The indoctrination of the teachers is complete. It's time to save your kids. Get them out while you still can.

/I wish I was joking
2013-03-09 02:54:40 PM
1 votes:

astouffer: Amos Quito: How can anyone, in good conscience, put their kids into such an insane system?

Homeschooling: It isn't just for Religious Fundies anymore.



That would require a parent being home during the day. Most families can't afford it.


I know, and I haz a sad.

Back in the day, one parent could work, and a family - even a large family - could live quite comfortably. A second income allowed for "luxury" items.

These days most families struggle to make ends meet with BOTH parents working. The poor get poorer, the rich get super-rich, and the middle class disappears.

And the schools? They don't even pretend to "educate", but have become government babysitting facilities / social indoctrination centers.
2013-03-09 02:53:31 PM
1 votes:
Wow...

I have a radical idea.  Let's take everyone involved in the education process.  Anyone who's ideas on violence is too extreme in either direction (Beatings for all students if moral is too low, or violence, even so much as a finger shaped as a gun or swinging your fist back as nine people beat your ass is just as wrong as the nine who are beating your ass) and fire them.  Next bring in sane people with balls and spines to tell students "Look, you are here for an education, and one thing you have to learn is that even in a civilized society, violence can be an answer, but that doesn't justify all forms of violence..." and go from there.

My eighth grade English teacher told us, when zero tolerance was announced in my school, that when he was in school, two people fight, they had it out, and afterwards, that was it.  It was out of their system.  He said "Take away that outlet, things will just get worse.  I'd rather see two guys fight and get it out of their systems and move on than see the anger build to a point where things will get worse that two students slugging it out."  I have to wonder sometimes, would bullying be the big deal it is now if the victim could punch his bully and at worse, just get one day of detention and not have the cops called?  I used to bully kids when I was younger.  Having two of my victims gang up on me one day on the playground taught me a painful and embarrassing lesson that can't be taught anymore.
2013-03-09 02:40:13 PM
1 votes:
I think they're afraid that one of the kids that should have been left behind will shallow one of the toy soldiers and choke to death on it.

tomheroes.com
2013-03-09 02:36:58 PM
1 votes:
If an adult can no longer distinguish non-reality from reality, they have to be removed from the presence of children
2013-03-09 02:33:34 PM
1 votes:
The principal says that no disrespect was intended towards either the family or the military, but she did assert that "Our commitment is always to our children and creating a safe place for them to learn, grown and have respectful dialogues about their differences."

Loving that non-apology, lady.

This is what happens when stupid people are allowed to be educators.  They spout back whatever bullshiat nonsense they've heard on advocating non-violence, no mater how nonsensical, and they apply it to all things, no matter how insignificant.  NO critical thought or plain old common sense, whatsoever.

Amos Quito: Homeschooling: It isn't just for Religious Fundies anymore.


Yeah, this.
2013-03-09 02:23:54 PM
1 votes:
Moran Teacher:  "Principal Shiat for Brains, a student has brough in cup cakes with toys on top that have been loved by everyone for almost a century!!!!!"

Principal Shiat for Brains: "SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!"
2013-03-09 02:17:36 PM
1 votes:
jeez, bring on the nukes Kim Jong Un. We deserve it at this point
2013-03-09 01:39:11 PM
1 votes:
those things can be dangerous... if you step on them barefoot.
2013-03-09 01:02:58 PM
1 votes:
Why do schools hate our warfighters?
 
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