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2013-03-09 03:50:08 PM
And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.
 
2013-03-09 05:32:13 PM

ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-03-09 05:33:31 PM
FTA: "...KTVI-TV said Weigert had been summoned to headquarters downtown Monday.

Wiegert is a former president of the St. Louis Police Officers Association, but a spokesman for that organization said Friday that he no longer was a member."


Sounds to me like he's going to be fired.

/obvious
 
2013-03-09 05:36:32 PM

JasonOfOrillia: ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.

Came here to say this.


Hey, man - if they call themselves the "tea" party, shouldn't they all be in favor of it?
 
2013-03-09 05:39:18 PM
What scares Americans: Pot, guns (anything else that could look like a gun if you try really hard to call it a gun), terrorist, gay marriage, ther own shadows, the rest of the world, their own citizens.
 
2013-03-09 05:44:22 PM
Still too much money in keeping it illegal.
 
2013-03-09 05:44:58 PM

ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.


done in one.
 
2013-03-09 05:46:29 PM

JasonOfOrillia: ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.

Came here to say this.


CSB....I signed up for a Tea Party website last summer because you know - I want to believe in some of their more libertarian ideas. Before they pissed me off with their more crazy ideas and I told them how batshiat crazy they were and they kicked me out I made a very sincere and convincing argument in favor of marijuana legalization - and a number of them actually agreed.

Among other things, I argued that it should be a decision left to the states. They seemed to like that.

And to this day, the legality of alcohol is left up to the states and even within the 50 states it's even left up to the counties and towns.

There are some places where it is illegal. Oddly enough these are not all in the "Bible Belt". There are places in Alaska where alcohol is illegal.

I'm still waiting for a retail store to sell marijuana in my state. I read recently that will be at least 2014 before that happens.

WTF? We voted to legalize recreational marijuana sales last November. Why must we wait so long for this to happen?

And they're putting more restrictions on the sale of marijuana than they currently have on any other legal product. Whatever. I guess I'll just keep using the black market when I want to get high. Thanks a lot.
 
2013-03-09 05:50:17 PM
 
2013-03-09 05:50:42 PM

Nick Nostril: Still too much money in keeping it illegal.


To be specific, there is too much money for specific hands, primarily law enforcement who argue incessantly against the legalization of cannabis. The reverse of this is there is not enough money for industry to make this legal, thus no great campaign to legalize. Seems this is an eventuality, and by the time the federal government gets involved this will be for the sake of formality.
 
2013-03-09 05:51:10 PM

Happy Hours: CSB....I signed up for a Tea Party website last summer because you know - I want to believe in some of their more libertarian ideas. Before they pissed me off with their more crazy ideas and I told them how batshiat crazy they were and they kicked me out I made a very sincere and convincing argument in favor of marijuana legalization - and a number of them actually agreed.


I watched the Tea Party closely thinking I might join them, but then the fundies took over and guaranteed I would have nothing to do with them.

If only we could combine the basic messages of both the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement.

Government is getting too big and spending is out of control.
We've given corporations way too much power and say in our government.

Do that and keep the fundies (at both ends) out of it and I'll join right up.
 
2013-03-09 05:52:20 PM
ShawnDoc,
And? Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.


Yes. But the kind of Libertarians that are want to legalize drugs are not worried about high taxes. There are libertarians that have always been around, and there are neo-Libertarians also known as Republicans ashamed of the current shape of their party.

Doesn't really matter anyway, like gay marriage, many Americans from different points of view are starting to agree marijuana should be legal. Now I want to hear him argue coke should be legal.
 
2013-03-09 05:55:26 PM
This is pretty typical paleoconservative behavior.
They're generally social liberal, though most would never admit it.
 
2013-03-09 05:55:57 PM

pmdgrwr: What scares Americans: Pot, guns (anything else that could look like a gun if you try really hard to call it a gun), terrorist, gay marriage, ther own shadows, the rest of the world, their own citizens.


You should note that while it may seem that way the reason so many of those things get so much attentions is because a lot of Americans actually believe the opposite.

Most Americans (according to recent polls) actually think marijuana should be legal even if it's just for recreational use.

And many (probably most) Americans think everyone should own a gun. (a bit of hyperbole there - most Americans think you should be allowed to own a gun)

And many (if not most) Americans hate the TSA and the Patriot Act.

And we believe gay people should be allowed to at least have civil unions with all of the same rights as heterosexual couples.

Our own shadows? Well, mine isn't all that flattering to tell you the truth.

The rest of the world? Well, some of it is scary innit? Not that scary, but North Korea doesn't seem too friendly of late.

Our own citizens? Well, as an old cartoon once said "We have met the enemy and he is us"
 
Ni
2013-03-09 05:58:30 PM
Holy crap, I tried to embed the [HERO] tag, and fark has gone all css on my ass.

img.fark.net
 
2013-03-09 06:00:42 PM

Enemabag Jones: ShawnDoc,
And? Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.

Yes. But the kind of Libertarians that are want to legalize drugs are not worried about high taxes. There are libertarians that have always been around, and there are neo-Libertarians also known as Republicans ashamed of the current shape of their party.

Doesn't really matter anyway, like gay marriage, many Americans from different points of view are starting to agree marijuana should be legal. Now I want to hear him argue coke should be legal.


Ummmm.....most Libertarians agree on both issues. Individual rights FTW.
 
2013-03-09 06:00:48 PM
It took a surgeon to remove a vibrator from a guys butt.

What's it gonna take to remove a head.

Dudes a vet from the force . He will be alright.
 
2013-03-09 06:07:53 PM
there is a website devoted to LEO's with pro-maryjane views. these Cops are tired of the bullshiat, hands on. paranoid that it could be a trap site, i don't post there.

/ i save my crazy for FARK

pmdgrwr: What scares Americans: Pot, guns (anything else that could look like a gun if you try really hard to call it a gun), terrorist, gay marriage, ther own shadows, the rest of the world, their own citizens.


I ain't afraid of no ghosts!
 
2013-03-09 06:11:00 PM
globalwarmingpraiser,
Ummmm.....most Libertarians agree on both issues. Individual rights FTW.


Around 2009, I have started hearing alot of Republican themes from so-called Libertarians stressing anti-tax themes, freedom from rules for corporations. But not much about legalization of drugs, the problem of unrestrained corporate power and not much embracing privacy in the bedroom.

You are telling me you don't see Republicans ashamed of taking a backseat to mentally challenged religious folk becoming 'Libertarians'.

/Reason, anyone?
 
2013-03-09 06:16:44 PM

ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.


and progressives.
 
2013-03-09 06:18:57 PM
The Wacky Tea Party.
 
2013-03-09 06:20:26 PM

ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.


This.

All part of believing in a constitutional republic with a federal government strictly limited to enumerated powers. Ask Rand Paul to explain it to you some time.

But i guess liberals are willing to give up pot if it means they can force Catholics to pay for their abortions...
 
2013-03-09 06:22:59 PM
I gave my $10 to the local tea party when it was getting it's footing around here.  I gave it up after it proved itsself as a geriatric republican glee club.
I would love to have a GUNS & DOPE party bumper sticker with the smiling cowgirl firing her 6 shooter into the air with one hand, and holding a lit joint with the other.
 
2013-03-09 06:24:13 PM

LawrencePerson: ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.

This.

All part of believing in a constitutional republic with a federal government strictly limited to enumerated powers. Ask Rand Paul to explain it to you some time.

But i guess liberals are willing to give up pot if it means they can force Catholics to pay for their abortions...


Real liberals want single-payer, thus bypassing the employer, Catholic or not.
 
2013-03-09 06:24:54 PM
We get it. The tea party is racist.
 
2013-03-09 06:28:06 PM
Pot used to occasionally be euphemistically referred to as "tea"

/got nuthin
 
2013-03-09 06:29:35 PM
"News: Police sergeant causes a stir when he starts lobbying for a pro marijuana group. Fark: He is also a lobbyist for the tea party"

On a positive note; the "party" just got better
 
2013-03-09 06:29:53 PM
This is not an uncommon view, either. Which should speak volumes for how dangerous it actually is vs. the dangers posed to society by persecuting and prosecuting users.
 
2013-03-09 06:30:24 PM
Weed scares people who never tried weed as young adults and now have kids. What with ill founded "gateway" rhetoric, the notion that todays pot is super ganja compared to old weed, that the government schedules cannabis alongside heroin and cocaine, etc. Sounds like some scary shiat prevalent among all these kids right?

People who had more than a passing acquaintance with weed: "Whats the big farking deal?"

People who never smoked/had a handful of tokes: "It's like they're drunk drivers!"

Where Im from, even the old people didnt give a shiat if you got high. Damn near everyone got high or knew people who got high without adverse effects. Yet when the whole state was put to vote in 2010 (California), we couldnt even muster a majority vote. Out in public, Id have trouble finding people opposed to cannabis period.

Perhaps, too many people smoke weed already with a weed card (handed out like toothpick weenies at Costco) , or have been getting high through street sources so long they cant be bothered to show up in teeming numbers on voting day. Then of course you have the profiteering growers voting to keep it illegal so they can continue to make a killing for a few more years.

I bet its a lot of pro pot voters not giving enough of a shiat to get out and get heard at the ballots.
 
2013-03-09 06:32:54 PM
Worth reading the original article by McClellan mentioned in this article:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/bill-mcclellan/bill-mccle ll an-ready-to-roll-a-joint-so-i-can/article_527612ec-e681-5db3-9d66-30d8 fbd67e87.html

I would have a ton more respect for the tea party if there was more state's rights talk and libertarian ideals and less religious nonsense. Right now the tea party seems to me more like a "what old/boomer white folks want" club.
 
2013-03-09 06:36:15 PM

D_Evans45: Weed scares people who never tried weed as young adults and now have kids. What with ill founded "gateway" rhetoric, the notion that todays pot is super ganja compared to old weed, that the government schedules cannabis alongside heroin and cocaine, etc. Sounds like some scary shiat prevalent among all these kids right?

People who had more than a passing acquaintance with weed: "Whats the big farking deal?"

People who never smoked/had a handful of tokes: "It's like they're drunk drivers!"

Where Im from, even the old people didnt give a shiat if you got high. Damn near everyone got high or knew people who got high without adverse effects. Yet when the whole state was put to vote in 2010 (California), we couldnt even muster a majority vote. Out in public, Id have trouble finding people opposed to cannabis period.

Perhaps, too many people smoke weed already with a weed card (handed out like toothpick weenies at Costco) , or have been getting high through street sources so long they cant be bothered to show up in teeming numbers on voting day. Then of course you have the profiteering growers voting to keep it illegal so they can continue to make a killing for a few more years.

I bet its a lot of pro pot voters not giving enough of a shiat to get out and get heard at the ballots.


From what I've heard, a big reason that prop failed in CA was that people growing it illegally wanted to keep legit competition out.
 
2013-03-09 06:38:08 PM

Nick Nostril: Still too much money in keeping it illegal.


Interesting conflicts of interest at play here.  Marijuana was the biggest cash crop in the U.S. last year.  Add in textile and other industrial uses and it seems like there's plenty of money to go around.
 
2013-03-09 06:44:32 PM

LawrencePerson: ShawnDoc: And?  Lots of Libertarians in the Tea Party, and Libertarians want drug laws rescinded.

This.

All part of believing in a constitutional republic with a federal government strictly limited to enumerated powers. Ask Rand Paul to explain it to you some time.

But i guess liberals are willing to give up pot if it means they can force Catholics to pay for their abortions...


Damn. Looks like 4chan is down, again. Why don't they go to Reddit, or something?
 
2013-03-09 06:54:39 PM
Just wait til the money starts rolling in from legalized weed.  They'll buy lobbyists and ad men by the scores, and suddenly weed will be a miracle cure for all of society's ills.
 
2013-03-09 07:00:33 PM

LawrencePerson: But i guess liberals are willing to give up pot if it means they can force Catholics to pay for their abortions...


What the fark are you talking about?  Jill Stein was the liberal candidate in the last election, take a wild farking guess where she stands on marijuana:

A: We wouldn't remove all laws against all drug use. Marijuana is a drug that is dangerous because it's illegal. It isn't illegal because it's dangerous. There are drugs in use that are far more harmful than marijuana--such as alcohol. Legalize marijuana and the dangers go away. Regulate it so that children can't buy it on the street corner.
Q: What about other drugs?
A: Drug use is a public health issue, not a criminal or moral issue. It should not be dealt with in the criminal justice system, but primarily as a public health issue.


http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Jill_Stein_Drugs.htm

You twat, Liberals aren't exactly the way Bill O'Reilly told you they are.
 
2013-03-09 07:03:30 PM

D_Evans45: Weed scares people who never tried weed as young adults and now have kids. What with ill founded "gateway" rhetoric, the notion that todays pot is super ganja compared to old weed, that the government schedules cannabis alongside heroin and cocaine, etc. Sounds like some scary shiat prevalent among all these kids right?

People who had more than a passing acquaintance with weed: "Whats the big farking deal?"

People who never smoked/had a handful of tokes: "It's like they're drunk drivers!"


What you just wrote seems to argue people should use their personal experience anecdotes to drive national policy.  I don't think that's the right thing to argue.  The people who have never smoked pot and imagine it's bad are just as stupid as the people who have smoked pot and "hey, it was fine for me man."

How about we make both sides stick to the actual science and data?  Because the science wildly supports marijuana legalization and that's a teensie bit stronger than "I smoked pot and turned out okay."
 
2013-03-09 07:11:45 PM

Enemabag Jones: globalwarmingpraiser,
Ummmm.....most Libertarians agree on both issues. Individual rights FTW.

Around 2009, I have started hearing alot of Republican themes from so-called Libertarians stressing anti-tax themes, freedom from rules for corporations


Not all of us libertarians think corporations should be free from rules.  Hell, a corporation is an amoral "thing".  It doesn't care what it does to people or the environment so will do whatever it takes to maximize profits since that is its sole purpose for existence.  Freedom from stupid rules, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter, as is freedom from the government using rules to punish businesses who don't dance to their tune (see Gibson Guitar for an example of this).
 
2013-03-09 07:31:14 PM
Crazy Mixes in a infinite number of ways.
 
2013-03-09 07:31:39 PM
See libs, the Tea Party can't be ALL bad.
 
2013-03-09 07:38:10 PM

lennavan: LawrencePerson: But i guess liberals are willing to give up pot if it means they can force Catholics to pay for their abortions...

What the fark are you talking about?  Jill Stein was the liberal candidate in the last election, take a wild farking guess where she stands on marijuana:

A: We wouldn't remove all laws against all drug use. Marijuana is a drug that is dangerous because it's illegal. It isn't illegal because it's dangerous. There are drugs in use that are far more harmful than marijuana--such as alcohol. Legalize marijuana and the dangers go away. Regulate it so that children can't buy it on the street corner.
Q: What about other drugs?
A: Drug use is a public health issue, not a criminal or moral issue. It should not be dealt with in the criminal justice system, but primarily as a public health issue.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Jill_Stein_Drugs.htm

You twat, Liberals aren't exactly the way Bill O'Reilly told you they are.


He's not as stupid, as a stupid person, for posting that, as you, as an intelligent person, are for responding to it.
 
2013-03-09 07:44:35 PM

Ni: Holy crap, I tried to embed the [HERO] tag, and fark has gone all css on my ass.

[img.fark.net image 54x611]


Lest we forget:

img194.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-09 07:51:43 PM

GWSuperfan: There are lots of cops that support the legalization of marijuana


Yes there are
 
2013-03-09 08:02:54 PM
Well, you gotta drink something when you're baked. Some people like tea, that's all...
 
2013-03-09 08:10:16 PM
Hell, if you could just get the teabaggers to smoke up once in a while, maybe they wouldn't be so holier-than-thou!

/I don't, but I don't mind if you do...
 
2013-03-09 08:18:59 PM
Let's try this argument...  Only criminals want it illegal!
 
2013-03-09 08:45:33 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Ni: Holy crap, I tried to embed the [HERO] tag, and fark has gone all css on my ass.

[img.fark.net image 54x611]

Lest we forget:

[img194.imageshack.us image 54x11]


Speaking of old things forgotton, anyone else miss the "All" tab?
 
2013-03-09 09:03:37 PM

Atomic Spunk: FTA: "...KTVI-TV said Weigert had been summoned to headquarters downtown Monday.

Wiegert is a former president of the St. Louis Police Officers Association, but a spokesman for that organization said Friday that he no longer was a member."

Sounds to me like he's going to be fired.

/obvious


you can beat a man to death, and your brothers in blue will defend you.  Speak up about a stupid law that allows them to arrest people that aren't dangerous, and you're out on your ass.
 
2013-03-09 09:59:26 PM

OgreMagi: Happy Hours: CSB....I signed up for a Tea Party website last summer because you know - I want to believe in some of their more libertarian ideas. Before they pissed me off with their more crazy ideas and I told them how batshiat crazy they were and they kicked me out I made a very sincere and convincing argument in favor of marijuana legalization - and a number of them actually agreed.

I watched the Tea Party closely thinking I might join them, but then the fundies took over and guaranteed I would have nothing to do with them.

If only we could combine the basic messages of both the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement.

Government is getting too big and spending is out of control.
We've given corporations way too much power and say in our government.

Do that and keep the fundies (at both ends) out of it and I'll join right up.


I was in the same boat. When the Tea Party was just starting I was very interested in supporting and joining it. Then the fundies gained the upper hand and took over.
I dodged a bullet.
 
2013-03-09 10:16:32 PM
Many tea partiers are libertarians. Why does this surprise Subby?
 
2013-03-09 10:35:39 PM
Yeah in Maine the guys who are associated with the Tea Party now were on the "legalize marijuana" thing in the 2008 race. Sorry, subby.
 
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