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2013-03-09 09:35:56 AM
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2013-03-09 12:48:47 PM
I don't know whether this nitwit really didn't learn anything in college, or whether he's too stupid to realize what it was he learned. That's a mystery that I'm not going to spend too much time puzzling over, because whatever the answer is, in the end, all we have left is a moron.
The question isn't whether college is right for you; the question is, are you right for college? Colleges didn't water themselves down. Colleges didn't one day decide to be training programs for the clerk class. The clerk class made that decision, egged on by promises that education would allow them to rise to the level of those who actually make decisions. Colleges responded to the demand. In my opinion, they shouldn't have, because I believe pointless dreams should be killed as soon as possible. That's neither here nor there. College is now a prerequisite for sitting in a cubicle all day, even if the only requirement for a job may be the ability to notice the pellet falling out of the chute when one clicks the bright green icon.
All of which may seem to admit Mr Moron's point. That's not what I'm doing. College is still invaluable for those in the decision-making class. There are plenty of people, even here, on Fark, in this den of ignorance leavened with depravity, who would be perfectly capable of telling you what they gained from their liberal educations. The point I am making is: Mr Moron was too stupid to benefit from college, and he has no cause to complain that college is the problem.
 
2013-03-09 01:05:49 PM
Headline copied and pasted from TFA? Way to go, lazymitter.
 
2013-03-09 02:33:11 PM
If the degree requires actual math skills (statisticians are exempt from this general rule), it probably isn't a waste of time.

/I was told there would be maths
//lots and lots of maths
 
2013-03-09 02:48:28 PM
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-03-09 03:53:50 PM

rumpelstiltskin: I don't know whether this nitwit really didn't learn anything in college, or whether he's too stupid to realize what it was he learned. That's a mystery that I'm not going to spend too much time puzzling over, because whatever the answer is, in the end, all we have left is a moron.
The question isn't whether college is right for you; the question is, are you right for college? Colleges didn't water themselves down. Colleges didn't one day decide to be training programs for the clerk class. The clerk class made that decision, egged on by promises that education would allow them to rise to the level of those who actually make decisions. Colleges responded to the demand. In my opinion, they shouldn't have, because I believe pointless dreams should be killed as soon as possible. That's neither here nor there. College is now a prerequisite for sitting in a cubicle all day, even if the only requirement for a job may be the ability to notice the pellet falling out of the chute when one clicks the bright green icon.
All of which may seem to admit Mr Moron's point. That's not what I'm doing. College is still invaluable for those in the decision-making class. There are plenty of people, even here, on Fark, in this den of ignorance leavened with depravity, who would be perfectly capable of telling you what they gained from their liberal educations. The point I am making is: Mr Moron was too stupid to benefit from college, and he has no cause to complain that college is the problem.


My goodness, you have a lot of anger and insight on the subject of being over educated.
 
2013-03-09 03:54:43 PM
FTA I have some authority on the uselessness of liberal arts degrees because I have two of them. I double majored in English creative writing and history at a small Midwestern college.

Liberal Arts degrees are not worthless. YOUR degrees are worthless. There is a big difference!!
HINT: go back and look up the starting salaries of people with one of those degrees the year you applied for college. The rest of you do the same thing with your degree.

If you knowingly got a degree in a field with high unemployment and/or low starting salary, well, WHAT THE FARK did you actually expect to happen???

Is the problem that those degrees also dont require basic understanding of logic, math and reasoning?
/sorry, not picking on people who got the degree that they loved and were interested in. picking on the TARDS who are now complaining about the expected and obvious outcome of getting said degrees.
 
2013-03-09 03:57:41 PM

rumpelstiltskin: I don't know whether this nitwit really didn't learn anything in college


FTA:  I have some authority on the uselessness of liberal arts degrees because I have two of them. I double majored in English creative writing and history at a small Midwestern college.

This nitwit got two low paying degrees with higher than average unemployment.
This nitwit is surprised by cause and effect.
This  nitwit probably complains about not being able to pay off their expensive college loans.

/and makes me laugh when I read these articles
 
2013-03-09 04:06:31 PM
I didn't realize that random blog opinions counted as any real authority.

Also FTA:  I have some authority on the uselessness of liberal arts degrees because I have two of them. I double majored in English creative writing and history at a small Midwestern college.

Actually, it sounds like just ONE degree.  A double-major doesn't count as two degrees.  It sounds like the blogger didn't learn much in college, so it's no wonder s/he is whining about it.
 
2013-03-09 04:11:12 PM
FTA: even though a degree doesn't make a candidate any more or less able to do the job in question

www.youknow-forkids.com
 
2013-03-09 04:16:21 PM
Well then I am set. I just purchased a doctorate this morning from Speedy Diplomas. According to the email I will get my "dipl0ma" in the mail here shortly.
Dr. Needful.
 
2013-03-09 04:19:52 PM
Meh. There's definitely some crying in his blog entry, but he makes some valid points.
 
2013-03-09 04:20:42 PM
If I have my way a job at McDonalds will require an associates in technology in order to maintain and clean the Baxter robots that replace the humans.
 
2013-03-09 04:21:09 PM
The problem comes from the educators in High school and Elementary school.  I remember from about the fourth grade I was being told over and over every year that "If you don't go to college you will never have a job worth anything".  It gets beat into children's minds early and reinforced til they graduate high school.  I also remember when in High School I kept getting visited by admissions counselors for all the local Universities saying the same exact thing.  So I had college all lined up before I even graduated High school for fear of never having a useful job.

Major problem though is that non of these people actually sit down with students and say this is going to cost this much and you better make sure you can afford it.  Instead they say "Oh don't worry about that here is a list of private lenders that will set you up with an easy to get loan so you can attend our way overpriced University."  They conveniently forget to tell young people that those interest rates are through the roof.  My High School guidance counselor set down with me after  I had just turned eighteen two days earlier and helped me fill out loan applications.

Got accepted and two years later halfway through my four year degree I found out that I don't have enough money to finish school and I had already reached my loan limit.  So I started working for the Government and now I am actually doing pretty well for myself.  I don't really blame anyone but myself as I continue to pay off these loans for the next 15 years.  But I do wish someone would have stepped in that was actually involved in the education process and told me when I was younger that I really needed to think of the finances first.  I bet these guidance counselors are receiving kick backs for steering these young people to certain universities.
 
2013-03-09 04:32:41 PM

Mugato: Headline copied and pasted from TFA? Way to go, lazymitter.


That's starting to really bother me, honestly.
I think subby should be less snarky about degree inflation, and spend more time being even at least a little original.
Something about just blatantly copying and pasting something from the article feels like stealing someone's work. Everyone knows on this site that headlines are like a badge of honor, or something to at least be a little proud of. Blatantly stealing it is like what subby probably spent hours accusing Dane Cook of doing in 2005.
 
2013-03-09 04:35:52 PM

rumpelstiltskin: College is now a prerequisite for sitting in a cubicle all day, even if the only requirement for a job may be the ability to notice the pellet falling out of the chute when one clicks the bright green icon.


Remember, Caesar, that you too are mortal...

The point I am making is: Mr Moron was too stupid to benefit from college, and he has no cause to complain that college is the problem.

The colleges are however knowingly complicit in all of this, as they stand to profit greatly from increased enrollment and astronomical hikes in tuition fees.
 
2013-03-09 04:36:23 PM
Your blog sucks and renders horribly on an Android phone.
 
2013-03-09 04:37:52 PM

Nick Nostril: Meh. There's definitely some crying in his blog entry, but he makes some valid points.


Except that his main thesis (that the vast majority of jobs don't require-and shouldn't require-a degree is pretty off base).  While it's true that many paper-pushing jobs don't require the knowledge that a college degree gives you, there are a lot of other skills that college should teach that are essential in the workplace.  Important things like reading, writing, and critical thinking skills.  Even basic things like how to commit to something over a long period time and follow through without flaking out.  A college degree is a good (if not perfect) barometer of whether or not a person has those skills.  Honestly, I wouldn't care so much about the degree so long as prospective employee could prove they can read, write, and think well.  As somebody who works with the public on a daily basis, you would be surprised how many people lack those basic skills.
 
2013-03-09 04:38:17 PM
I'd love to see everyone in the world fired. Then, decide.
 
2013-03-09 04:38:44 PM
You can't expect 18 year olds to independently have the experience, reasoning skills, and resources to be able to plan out the rest of their lives.  Yes, some kids have parents who can sit down with them and go over each dot and cross and do some financial planning and investment while they're at it.  Most kids, however, learn it and the system as they go while the institutions know what the kids don't know and laugh at taking advantage of them.  I'm not sure how to fix the problem other than to say that schools / parents really need to stop pushing the "you'll go to college and get a leg up in the working world" perspective and quite pushing loans as the way to pay for this.

I know I remember hearing about college from day one of kindergarten.  By fifth grade we were expected to have some real idea of what we "wanted to be when we grew up" and if we still had no idea by the last year of middle school we were already behind getting into a good college because we couldn't adequately plan out our extra curricular activities for the first year of high school.  Always it was "College graduates start out ahead, not doing grunt entry level work" and "everyone can afford college".  They knew better and still fed us the bullshiat every day of our academic careers.  Then at college registration they had credit card companies signing up the kids who couldn't afford their books.
 
2013-03-09 04:41:47 PM
ftfa: The value of college is dubious at best when a professor actively teaches, but when that educator steps aside in favor of student-led instruction, even the illusion of learning disappears. "

No. Wrong.
For all intents and purposes, students in university are kids. Children. Getting a 19-21 year old to do presentations more than likely trains them for:
-public speaking
-understanding the importance of being prepared (because there is no teacher like actually feeling unprepared and you have to speak in front of people)
-confidence in their work

College has a lot of uses, this is one of them. Also, since the writer already states that he has two liberal arts degrees, he really can't comment on college as a whole. Or at least for degrees that actually matter. Sit in on an engineering course, or a copyright law class, etc. Much different.
 
2013-03-09 04:42:40 PM

xanadian: Your blog sucks.


I rarely ever get to say this, but this.
 
2013-03-09 04:44:40 PM
"To Kill a Mocking Bird  "

Yeah, so two degrees later he still can't spell it right?
 
2013-03-09 04:46:10 PM

SploogeTime: I'd love to see everyone in the world fired. Then, decide.


This. Tons of people who have the jobs they have can't do them worth a fark. Hit the reset button. On humanity.

/Or fast forward. The sad part of human achievement is that there has to be a period of grim misery that precedes it. Sadly we're on that end of another leap.
 
2013-03-09 04:48:20 PM

wildcardjack: If I have my way a job at McDonalds will require an associates in technology in order to maintain and clean the Baxter robots that replace the humans.


what about the ones that kill the cows

the kill bots
 
2013-03-09 04:49:48 PM

Shadowtag: Hit the reset button. On humanity.


You mean like this?
imgc.allpostersimages.com
 
2013-03-09 04:52:20 PM

rugman11: Nick Nostril: Meh. There's definitely some crying in his blog entry, but he makes some valid points.

Except that his main thesis (that the vast majority of jobs don't require-and shouldn't require-a degree is pretty off base).  While it's true that many paper-pushing jobs don't require the knowledge that a college degree gives you, there are a lot of other skills that college should teach that are essential in the workplace.  Important things like reading, writing, and critical thinking skills.  Even basic things like how to commit to something over a long period time and follow through without flaking out.  A college degree is a good (if not perfect) barometer of whether or not a person has those skills.  Honestly, I wouldn't care so much about the degree so long as prospective employee could prove they can read, write, and think well.  As somebody who works with the public on a daily basis, you would be surprised how many people lack those basic skills.


Reading, writing and critical thinking ARE important skills, but if you haven't learned them by the time you've graduated highschool then I doubt blowing $50k on college well improve your standing. As far as learning perseverance in regards to a long term goal...there are better ways to do that then beggaring yourself going to college. I think until you already have a handle on all of the above, you really shouldn't be enrolling.
 
2013-03-09 04:52:38 PM
So person who sought out a useless education decides that all education is useless.  I am the very definition of looking surprised right now.

/sought out a not so useless education
//had a dream job offer a month before I graduated
///life's pretty awesome right now
 
2013-03-09 04:58:41 PM
Don't go to college unless you actively desire to learn what they are going to teach you there. If all you want is money, there are better, quicker ways to get it.
 
2013-03-09 05:01:06 PM
I think the author is trying to get across a few points that are right:

- University degrees are required for way to many jobs that shouldnt need university education.
- University degrees require you to take a gazillion courses that have little to nothing to do with your chosen field of study and you still have to pay for them if you want the degree.

My cousin was telling me its tough to get a job at a Tim Hortons in toronto without at least a high school diploma.
To work in a doughnut shop.
That seems crazy to me.
 
2013-03-09 05:01:09 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: wildcardjack: If I have my way a job at McDonalds will require an associates in technology in order to maintain and clean the Baxter robots that replace the humans.

what about the ones that kill the cows

the kill bots


Those are the Dexter robots.
 
2013-03-09 05:02:07 PM
I'm really thankful for the internet and current technology. If you want to keep learning your only option isn't just soul crushing debt from Shady Promises U. Now I can work a tough but well paying blue collar job debt free while listening to a Skeptics Guide to the Universe, Science Fantastic podcasts or lectures from a professor at a college I couldn't begin to dream of ever attending. Or whip out my phone and look up whatever topic I'm interested in at the moment. Yes, I'm aware that there's still tons of things you can only learn at college but at least your curiosity about things can be somewhat satisfied these days.
 
2013-03-09 05:04:10 PM
Generation_D:

My goodness, you have a lot of anger and insight on the subject of being over educated.

 Yes, I suppose I do. One should be educated only to the level which ome's intelligence can support. Further education, if it allows the mentally defective to obtain stations beyond their capabilities, only leads to trouble. This is why, when Aldous Huxley posited his Utopia, Betas never aspired to be Alphas, Gammas never aspired to be Betas, and so on. I vaguely recall a television adaptation, in which each of the classes had a catchy tune to remind him of his place in the scheme of things. I have tried to find cuts on youtube, but my search has been fruitless.
 
2013-03-09 05:05:36 PM

Mugato: Headline copied and pasted from TFA? Way to go, lazymitter.


Don't forget to get on the asshole that greened it.
 
2013-03-09 05:06:49 PM

BumpInTheNight: So person who sought out a useless education decides that all education is useless.  I am the very definition of looking surprised right now.

/sought out a not so useless education
//had a dream job offer a month before I graduated
///life's pretty awesome right now


There is a tremendous quantity of useless education routinely peddled in the United States but unfortunately there is a nearly equal quantity of educated yet useless people. I can empathize somewhat with those who find themselves unable to tell the difference.

"Educated", "smart" and "capable" are not synonyms in the working world. At some point I do sincerely hope we stop treating them as such.
 
2013-03-09 05:08:25 PM
Universities should be what they were like in the PC game Age of Empires II. Places where you can research better cannon technology and upgrade your town's wall hitpoints.
 
2013-03-09 05:19:24 PM
Degree inflation is rather annoying. Over the past few years, it drove me nuts how often I'd see administrative assistant positions, clerical jobs, and really basic entry-level jobs requiring university degrees that really shouldn't need one. Not having a university degree DID really limit my job options.

So I went to university at 25. Since I started, I've been amazed with how many people are there who shouldn't be. So many of them have no idea what they want to do, have absolutely no dedication to their education, no interest in being there. They're blowing $5500/year in tuition, plus fees books, etc. to drink, party, and never attend class. It's ridiculous to me and while I do intend to encourage my kids to pursue some postsecondary - because it is necessary to get most jobs and I don't predict that changing by the time my oldest finishes high school in 12 years - I'll be happy even if it is a short college program or trade school, if it is more suited to them. I expect my son will want to go to university though, he's as much of a science nerd as I am. I went to uni with a specific plan in mind, as well as backups since my plan (which involves professional school after my bachelors) may not work out despite my best efforts and I can't put all my eggs in one basket.
 
2013-03-09 05:28:55 PM
If people just understood correlation and causation....we'd have avoided this whole mess.
 
2013-03-09 05:31:16 PM

wildcardjack: Jon iz teh kewl: wildcardjack: If I have my way a job at McDonalds will require an associates in technology in order to maintain and clean the Baxter robots that replace the humans.

what about the ones that kill the cows

the kill bots

Those are the Dexter robots.


teh cows must have surely done something serious to deserve death
oh wait it's Dexter, he kills everyone
 
2013-03-09 05:32:18 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Generation_D:

My goodness, you have a lot of anger and insight on the subject of being over educated.

 Yes, I suppose I do. One should be educated only to the level which ome's intelligence can support. Further education, if it allows the mentally defective to obtain stations beyond their capabilities, only leads to trouble. This is why, when Aldous Huxley posited his Utopia, Betas never aspired to be Alphas, Gammas never aspired to be Betas, and so on. I vaguely recall a television adaptation, in which each of the classes had a catchy tune to remind him of his place in the scheme of things. I have tried to find cuts on youtube, but my search has been fruitless.


Says the guy who's trying to troll several levels above his actual ability.
 
2013-03-09 05:34:47 PM

mikefinch: - University degrees are required for way to many jobs that shouldnt need university education.


And it's hard to blame a business for doing so if they can easily find someone who does.  That's the problem.  There's only so many good paying jobs out there, and that number will probably continue to go down with more machines doing stuff.  You have to beat the pack to get a high paying job.  And for many fields, beating the pack is now graduate level. And a bachelors degree is keeping up with the pack.  The plus side of this is that society as a whole is a bit more educated, the problem is all the student debt necessary to keep up with or jump ahead of the pack that you used to not need.
 
2013-03-09 05:55:25 PM
"At least it would come in handy for all of the heart attacks"

That's McHeart attack, thank you-

/branding
 
2013-03-09 05:55:27 PM

rugman11: Except that his main thesis (that the vast majority of jobs don't require-and shouldn't require-a degree is pretty off base).

Honestly, I wouldn't care so much about the degree so long as prospective employee could prove they can read, write, and think well.  As somebody who works with the public on a daily basis, you would be surprised how many people lack those basic skills.


Your first sentence and that other one (don't really complement each other very well).
 
2013-03-09 05:56:42 PM

12349876: And it's hard to blame a business for doing so if they can easily find someone who does


i agree with your post but heres a CSB:

I work for the gov and a reception position for 60 grand a year starting opened up. A whole list of job requirements and crap like such. Not a single applicant. You know who got the job? a 18 year old girl whos previous experience was working at a jeans outlet. Why? she applied and nobody else would because nobody seemed to think they would get a cushy government job unless they met every requierment. The girl worked out great and shes smart and nice and fully capable of performing her job -- she works with my wife and apparently the fit was great. But she didnt fit what they were mandated to put in the job posting.

On that note government jobs are rarely advertised for. The competitions that are open to the public are often filled by people already working there suggesting someone who would be a good fit. They hate haveing to put up a job posting because they either get a million resumes from a million different people or nothing. So people mention the job only to people they think would fit in the job.

Job openings are often only mentioned to people who would be hired for sure... Its kinda weird...
 
2013-03-09 06:17:26 PM
Yea, no shiat. When I was job searching, I'd see posts for an admin position that required a minimum of five years and a masters degree, pay was 35k per year. Companies do this shiat because they can get away with it.
 
2013-03-09 06:33:11 PM
His creative writing degree was obviously useless and gave him no skills.  Sarcasm?  Read the article and decide for yourself.
 
2013-03-09 06:36:35 PM

Bung_Howdy: "At least it would come in handy for all of the heart attacks"

That's McHeart attack, thank you-

/branding


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-09 06:48:50 PM

martissimo: rugman11: Except that his main thesis (that the vast majority of jobs don't require-and shouldn't require-a degree is pretty off base).

Honestly, I wouldn't care so much about the degree so long as prospective employee could prove they can read, write, and think well.  As somebody who works with the public on a daily basis, you would be surprised how many people lack those basic skills.

Your first sentence and that other one (don't really complement each other very well).


Shockingly enough, the effort I put into writing and proofreading a Fark post is not indicative of the effort I put into writing and proofreading in my everyday life.
 
2013-03-09 07:01:06 PM
The author has no idea what he's talking about. I'm a mechanical engineering major who's been making $45k as an intern and paying my way through school. I graduate in three weeks and have a job offer for a full time job and a substantial raise as soon as I have my diploma in hand.

If you don't want a useless degree, don't study something useless.
 
2013-03-09 07:18:23 PM
Whenever I read an article like this, I can't help but think that if this dude had gotten an engineering degree, he'd be moaning, "All that time doing blocks on ramps, and I haven't needed to do one block on a ramp in my job. All I got out of my degree in the end were intangibles like 'problem solving skills'. They never taught me the actual specific knowledge I needed for my particular job reviewing satellite test procedures." You never hear this, though, even from the engineers who freely admit to graduating with no directly applicable knowledge useful to their field, because they know that the point is the problem solving.

In other words, the real problem here is the dude's a whiner.
 
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