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2013-03-09 02:26:48 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Brontes: What about an article on the flying turd the F-35 or the Osprey?  Money galore has been spent on those to things.

Or the F-22 Raptor, that thing has never been used in combat yet despite it having air-to-ground capability.


And you forgot, the Osprey was the aircraft that no one wanted, so they pawned it off on the Marines.
... cost the Marines 25 years, $22 billion and 30 deaths in three crashes during its development.
 
2013-03-09 02:30:16 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: It's definitely a lot more of a little something called Washington Monument Syndrome. Any sequestor / budget impasse situation should lead immediately to the suspension of all pay and privileges for both the President and Congress. After the 89th gets should down, and they have to ride coach on a couple of crappy Delta flights, I'm guessing they'd get their sh*t together pretty quick. And for that matter, paying $180K an hour for Air Force One should be one of the first permanent cuts. Heaven forbid Obama (and future Presidents) would have to fly on one of the 89th's remaining Gulfstream V luxury jets, like some ordinary multi-millionaire prole.


I agree on that end of it.  There is a LOT of WMS going around.  Don't worry, though, it's not just at the agency HQ level.  Even down in the weeds, little organizations try to prove their value to HHQ by cutting out the most valuable services when faced with budget cuts.  I'm sorry to say that we're actually trained to do that from Day 1.  It's a big part of the reason that I'm leaving the service in the coming months--I get sick to my stomach every time I have to deal with the budgetary BS.
But with the cancellation of the Blue Angels and TBirds performances, they are luxuries.  Cutting them will free up LOADS of personnel, fuel, money and other resources that those units consume to prepare for their performances.  Aerial demonstration teams are not cheap.
 
2013-03-09 02:36:06 PM  

Nick Nostril: All they have to do is vote the farkers out. Wash, rinse, repeat. It's simple really.


Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss.


If voting changed anything they would make it illegal.
 
2013-03-09 02:39:12 PM  
Stupid Sheeple.
 
2013-03-09 02:40:40 PM  

rolladuck: It's a big part of the reason that I'm leaving the service in the coming months


Good luck when you get out.

rolladuck: But with the cancellation of the Blue Angels and TBirds performances, they are luxuries


No argument there.
 
2013-03-09 02:40:57 PM  

SploogeTime: I don't care about the military. Turds who couldn't get jobs elsewhere. Not an issue, In fact, those that volunteer should not be paid.Want to fire a gun? Great, no pay.


You sound like you take it up the ass hard and ask for more. With an aluminum foil condom. While gargling the splooge of animals.
 
2013-03-09 03:05:12 PM  

HempHead: This is the kinda thing Paul Ryan complained about during the election.

Too bad Democrats did not get the memo.


The guy who wrote a budget the Republicans voted against? THAT guy?
 
2013-03-09 03:07:16 PM  
to really understand the process, read this article by Dr. Thomas Sowell


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/05/budget_politics_ 1 17268.html
 
2013-03-09 03:14:47 PM  

SploogeTime: I don't care about the military. Turds who couldn't get jobs elsewhere. Not an issue, In fact, those that volunteer should not be paid.Want to fire a gun? Great, no pay.


I like my burgers medium rare, but you'll probably fark it up.
 
2013-03-09 03:17:16 PM  

cig-mkr: The deal is that if you don't spend all the money in your budget, you won't get as much next year. That's why the different agencies spend every last cent and order stuff they don't need.
I thought the budget cuts were to cut waste, like duplicate agencies, and projects like spending a billion dollars to have the different computer systems they have to talk to each other. A billion dollars and they aren't even close. Instead they will make cuts to high profile things so the people will get outraged over it. Stopping Whitehouse tours was one of them, they could have shut down a park or two out in East Jockstrap, somewhere and no one would have even noticed.
Cut a submarine, maybe some aircraft and you could use the money for tuition's.


Clearly you haven't been following the debate up to the "cuts", if that's what you're calling the sequester (in reality, the government will spend more money this year than last, even with the "cuts" -- just not as much as some people wanted it to). The purpose of the sequester was to make "cuts" across-the-board in a way that would be so unpleasant as to force the prez and congress to enact more targeted "cuts" in order to avoid the  across-the-board  ones. The result is what usually happens when you put off unpleasant decisions until a future date: they're still just as unpleasant. Also, Obama moved the goal posts and wanted higher taxes instead, so the GOP decided his word was worthless and decided to take the only bird in the hand it had: the sequester. Maybe when the world doesn't spin off its axis as Obama and the Democrats promised due to a minuscule percentage less federal spending , the public will see how stupid this fight has been.
 
2013-03-09 03:19:08 PM  

Jaws_Victim: basemetal: Meh, they will never get it until you vote every last one of them out.  Of course, then they just become lobbyist.

/enjoy your shiat sandwich

im enjoying my douche. Enjoy YOUR shiat sandwich while I feel fresh and clean.


Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
 
2013-03-09 03:19:28 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sonderling: How much of this bullshiat do you think is going to go down before the American people pull their balls out of their purse and pull those bastards screaming into the streets for their comeuppance?

It would take a lot more.

They can continue to chip away at the well being of most of the citizens - so long as those citizens still have 'something to lose'.  A middle class guy trying to support his family isn't going to riot because of yet another small tax increase.  Because he's still got a lot to lose, and a family to look after.  The government makes sure to keep the people who might otherwise take to the streets, happy enough not to via our ever increasing amount of social programs.

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As long as there is enough money to keep flat screen TVs in the houses of our poor, Americans will be happy enough to keep the status-quo.  It will mean an increasing divide between the wealthy and poor, and the slow disappearance of the 'middle class'.  Things would have to get much worse before enough people cared.

Sure, you'll get lots of e-signatures and maybe even more 'Occupy Wallstreet' type crap.  We'll certainly see lots of politicians promising change, but we all know how that goes.

Yes, but those are not in inflation adjusted dollars and thanks to Chairman ButtBongo's Magic Money Printing Press debasing the value of the dollar has plummeted so far that if that chart were shown in gold then it would be completely flat.  So REAL spending hasn't gone up at all thanks to FIAT FIX IT AGAIN TONY money.

Did you know that a bar of gold bought the same number of Obama Phones in 1965 as it did in 2013?  Thanks a lot, 0bummer.


According to the title of the chart - it is inflation adjusted.
 
2013-03-09 03:22:49 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sonderling: How much of this bullshiat do you think is going to go down before the American people pull their balls out of their purse and pull those bastards screaming into the streets for their comeuppance?

It would take a lot more.

They can continue to chip away at the well being of most of the citizens - so long as those citizens still have 'something to lose'.  A middle class guy trying to support his family isn't going to riot because of yet another small tax increase.  Because he's still got a lot to lose, and a family to look after.  The government makes sure to keep the people who might otherwise take to the streets, happy enough not to via our ever increasing amount of social programs.

[radishmag.files.wordpress.com image 850x698]

As long as there is enough money to keep flat screen TVs in the houses of our poor, Americans will be happy enough to keep the status-quo.  It will mean an increasing divide between the wealthy and poor, and the slow disappearance of the 'middle class'.  Things would have to get much worse before enough people cared.

Sure, you'll get lots of e-signatures and maybe even more 'Occupy Wallstreet' type crap.  We'll certainly see lots of politicians promising change, but we all know how that goes.

Yes, but those are not in inflation adjusted dollars and thanks to Chairman ButtBongo's Magic Money Printing Press debasing the value of the dollar has plummeted so far that if that chart were shown in gold then it would be completely flat.  So REAL spending hasn't gone up at all thanks to FIAT FIX IT AGAIN TONY money.

Did you know that a bar of gold bought the same number of Obama Phones in 1965 as it did in 2013?  Thanks a lot, 0bummer.


Dude. The scalpel, not the trowel.
 
2013-03-09 03:28:16 PM  

Delay: Satanic_Hamster: Brontes: What about an article on the flying turd the F-35 or the Osprey?  Money galore has been spent on those to things.

Eh.  You can make a good case for the Osprey.  fark the F-35 though.
Establishing air superiority in today's complex global security climate requires the unprecedented capabilities and versatility that only the F-35 can offer. And the F-35's strong global partnership and broad industrial base ensures affordability through economies of scale while delivering 127,000 technology sector jobs in 47 states and Puerto Rico. Lockheed Martin Propaganda


Bullf*ck, that damn plane is trying to kill its pilots.
 
2013-03-09 03:52:10 PM  
Well, what about the B3 Bomber?
How's that doin'?
 
2013-03-09 03:54:42 PM  

Nick Nostril: FarkinHostile: Sonderling: How much of this bullshiat do you think is going to go down before the American people pull their balls out of their purse and pull those bastards screaming into the streets for their comeuppance?


Too fat to revolt. Also, American Idol is on at 8.

All they have to do is vote the farkers out. Wash, rinse, repeat.  It's simple really.


what's the number to text my vote?
 
2013-03-09 03:55:58 PM  
Bonuses are for output, not effort.

No matter how hard they worked, they got nothing done. No bonuses.
 
2013-03-09 03:59:21 PM  
In the private sector, they expect results.
 
2013-03-09 04:29:01 PM  
Asshats...
 
2013-03-09 04:32:52 PM  
We should also remember that Congress passed the  No Budget, No Pay Act that requires them to get a budget passed by April 15 or they don't get their pay checks.  Nearly every Democrat voted against it.

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2013-03-09 04:54:56 PM  

dbrunker: We should also remember that Congress passed the  No Budget, No Pay Act that requires them to get a budget passed by April 15 or they don't get their pay checks.  Nearly every Democrat voted against it.

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I'm an independent who leans conservative. Even I can see that the "No Budget No Pay Act" is gimmicky bad policy. I don't want to live in a country where only the very wealthy can even afford to serve in Congress. Either you support plutocracy, or you haven't thought your cunning idea all the way through.
 
2013-03-09 05:33:44 PM  

Baz744: dbrunker: I'm an independent who leans conservative. Even I can see that the "No Budget No Pay Act" is gimmicky bad policy. I don't want to live in a country where only the very wealthy can even afford to serve in Congress. Either you support plutocracy, or you haven't thought your cunning idea all the way through.


I hear the word "gimmicky" come up every time the Republicans make the Democrats look bad in the Legislative branch.  I'm a Centrist, because both parties have bad ideas they cling to, and I'm not looking for an argument or debate but I'd like to know why you think so.
 
2013-03-09 06:11:21 PM  
I think Mel Brooks' History of the World: Part I is applicable here:

www.screeninsults.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU (NSFW language)
 
2013-03-09 07:19:07 PM  
Was it ever shown just what percentage this amount is out of total military spending?
 
2013-03-09 08:10:33 PM  

cig-mkr: DarkSoulNoHope: Brontes: What about an article on the flying turd the F-35 or the Osprey?  Money galore has been spent on those to things.

Or the F-22 Raptor, that thing has never been used in combat yet despite it having air-to-ground capability.

And you forgot, the Osprey was the aircraft that no one wanted, so they pawned it off on the Marines.
... cost the Marines 25 years, $22 billion and 30 deaths in three crashes during its development.


Brontes already mentioned the V-22 Osprey. (I already knew about the deaths though. I am curious if "just try it and fly" it has come up in favor over computer design modeling and wind tunnel model testing?)
 
2013-03-09 08:14:25 PM  

Resident Muslim: Was it ever shown just what percentage this amount is out of total military spending?


That depends on how you define military spending. There's day to day spending that's just for normal operations (salaries, food, housing and so on) that is pretty static. There's spending that is intermittent (usually training and such). There's spending on acquiring equipment (one time spending usually). Those are the big ticket items that usually all get lumped together as "Military spending". The reality is that there are several (in the hundreds if not thousands) of individual budgets (every ship has it's own operating budget for example) in the military.

If you lump them all together this is a mere drop in the bucket (or probably better described as a drop in the 55 gallon drum).
 
2013-03-09 08:17:07 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Brontes already mentioned the V-22 Osprey. (I already knew about the deaths though. I am curious if "just try it and fly" it has come up in favor over computer design modeling and wind tunnel model testing?)


At some point there will always be a "Try it and fly it" moment. Simulations and small scale tests can only do so much.
 
2013-03-09 11:12:57 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Resident Muslim: Was it ever shown just what percentage this amount is out of total military spending?

That depends on how you define military spending. There's day to day spending that's just for normal operations (salaries, food, housing and so on) that is pretty static. There's spending that is intermittent (usually training and such). There's spending on acquiring equipment (one time spending usually). Those are the big ticket items that usually all get lumped together as "Military spending". The reality is that there are several (in the hundreds if not thousands) of individual budgets (every ship has it's own operating budget for example) in the military.

If you lump them all together this is a mere drop in the bucket (or probably better described as a drop in the 55 gallon drum).


Touché.
I think that is the question that should be asked in one of those press sessions. "Sir, you mentioned cutting down tuition allowance, how much out of the total budget will those cuts amount to?"

I've seen similar things happen in the private sector. Companies will cut down on the benefits of workers because "When you multiply that by the number of workers we have..." Would probably amount to giving the management normal benefits, God-forbid.

I am not one for strikes (or revolutions) they are messy and take a long time to stabilize after, and guess what, new boss is same as old boss.
Unions add benefit for the very short beginning, then they always get out of hand and inflate costs beyond market value and then the company either goes to cheaper labor markets or collapses.

I wonder if the military will do that one day with Mercs; "Hey, the are more expensive on the short run, but no payments for Vets, and especially no lousy tuition allowance."
 
2013-03-09 11:48:00 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sonderling: How much of this bullshiat do you think is going to go down before the American people pull their balls out of their purse and pull those bastards screaming into the streets for their comeuppance?

It would take a lot more....


So you're basically saying the poor and the elderly should fark off and die then huh?
 
2013-03-10 01:19:43 AM  
I'm sure Rand Paul believes his bonus isn't in the Constitution and will filibuster against getting one starting any minute now...
 
2013-03-10 01:39:07 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: cig-mkr: DarkSoulNoHope: Brontes: What about an article on the flying turd the F-35 or the Osprey?  Money galore has been spent on those to things.

Or the F-22 Raptor, that thing has never been used in combat yet despite it having air-to-ground capability.

And you forgot, the Osprey was the aircraft that no one wanted, so they pawned it off on the Marines.
... cost the Marines 25 years, $22 billion and 30 deaths in three crashes during its development.

Brontes already mentioned the V-22 Osprey. (I already knew about the deaths though. I am curious if "just try it and fly" it has come up in favor over computer design modeling and wind tunnel model testing?)


Most of the crashes had to do with engine failures, environmental stuff (kicking up dust into the intakes, for example), or weird stuff having to do with the rotor/fixed wing combination flight characteristics. When transitioning between the two, the aircraft doesn't act like either, and it takes a while for pilots to learn how to deal with that.

In other words, they were highly tested, but it's a new system that is probably 10-100 times more complex than the helicopters they are replacing, and with complexity comes unforeseeable problems. That's part of the reason a lot of people didn't want them - complex equipment is a pain in the ass in a combat environment.
 
2013-03-10 04:37:41 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Could someone explain what this cut actually means?  'Tuition Assistance' is completely separate from the 'GI Bill', right?  I'm not in the military - but I've heard the post-9/11 changes made it possible for people to pass on their GI Bill benefits to their children and many turned to the less valuable tuition assistance to cover their own education while still keeping the GI Bill benefits for their kids.  Is that remotely close to true?


Stars  N Stripes explained it well.
 
2013-03-10 05:48:47 AM  

kriegsgeist: DarkSoulNoHope: cig-mkr: DarkSoulNoHope: Brontes: What about an article on the flying turd the F-35 or the Osprey?  Money galore has been spent on those to things.

Or the F-22 Raptor, that thing has never been used in combat yet despite it having air-to-ground capability.

And you forgot, the Osprey was the aircraft that no one wanted, so they pawned it off on the Marines.
... cost the Marines 25 years, $22 billion and 30 deaths in three crashes during its development.

Brontes already mentioned the V-22 Osprey. (I already knew about the deaths though. I am curious if "just try it and fly" it has come up in favor over computer design modeling and wind tunnel model testing?)

Most of the crashes had to do with engine failures, environmental stuff (kicking up dust into the intakes, for example), or weird stuff having to do with the rotor/fixed wing combination flight characteristics. When transitioning between the two, the aircraft doesn't act like either, and it takes a while for pilots to learn how to deal with that.

In other words, they were highly tested, but it's a new system that is probably 10-100 times more complex than the helicopters they are replacing, and with complexity comes unforeseeable problems. That's part of the reason a lot of people didn't want them - complex equipment is a pain in the ass in a combat environment.


I'm impressed that such an unortodox design only crashed 3 times.
 
2013-03-10 05:40:42 PM  
Exile every one of them. Nothing more unamerican than selfish behavior like this.
 
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