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2013-03-09 10:04:31 AM  
Streisand Effect in 5, 4, 3.....


/Off to look at dietrolldie.com....
 
2013-03-09 10:43:32 AM  
the best comment was

I think they should comply.

Dear Prenda Law,
Our records indicate that the IP address range of 0.0.0.0/0 (and ::/0 for IPv6) covers all hosts which have ever connected to any Wordpress site.
Sincerely, Wordpress.
 
2013-03-09 11:04:40 AM  
i181.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-09 02:52:25 PM  
Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?
 
2013-03-09 02:55:36 PM  

MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?


They would then, presumably, start serving subpoena on everyone who's browsed the site, or naming you in their troll lawsuits. Resulting in you needing to pay time/effort/money to respond, resulting in more victories for them in court unless a judge sees through their crap and smacks them down.
 
2013-03-09 03:03:42 PM  

MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?


They wouldn't. This is copyright, not patent.
 
2013-03-09 03:07:34 PM  

MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?


Not patent trolls - COPYRIGHT trolls.  If you read an article sourced from NYT, say, on SJMercuryNews, without paying NYT, you're a bad, bad webbist.
 
2013-03-09 03:34:59 PM  

MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?


There is a case where Prenda sued someone (really their public IP address) for illegally downloading porn, fought to disclose the person's name, lost, and is getting called on the carpet Monday by a Federal Judge in LA for defrauding the court. It's a really interesting case if you can wade through the legalese:

http://www.popehat.com/2013/03/06/what-prenda-law-is-facing-in-los-an g eles/

Anyway, they want to be able to shake people down like that on a regular basis, I'm assuming to see what sticks so they can get settlement payouts.
 
2013-03-09 06:19:42 PM  
So sue me.
 
2013-03-09 06:28:31 PM  
It sounds to me they want to go on a fishing expedition and find someone who has illegally downloaded "Barely Legal Twinks Who Fist and Piss" and send them a letter saying, "pay us a couple thousand of dollars or we'll make it known all over town that you're into that."
 
2013-03-09 07:39:54 PM  

MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?


It's more about shutting down the sites in question. If a bunch of people start getting "We gave your IP to this law firm" notices, they're less likely to return to the site.
 
2013-03-09 08:14:34 PM  

Charlie Freak: MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?

There is a case where Prenda sued someone (really their public IP address) for illegally downloading porn, fought to disclose the person's name, lost, and is getting called on the carpet Monday by a Federal Judge in LA for defrauding the court. It's a really interesting case if you can wade through the legalese:

http://www.popehat.com/2013/03/06/what-prenda-law-is-facing-in-los-an g eles/

Anyway, they want to be able to shake people down like that on a regular basis, I'm assuming to see what sticks so they can get settlement payouts.


Yeah. It's gonna be awesome Monday. :)

At least ostensibly, their justification in this suit is that they're looking for matching IPs between commentators at Dietrolldie and their list of pirating IPs, such that they can (i) identify the person, and (ii) show that they're knowledgable about copyright and willfully infringed the material. But that's just what they put on paper. This certainly appears to be a SLAPP suit.
 
2013-03-09 08:56:53 PM  

rogue49: So sue me.


I wouldn't want that, The lawyers would cost a fortune...
 
2013-03-09 09:26:09 PM  

Riche: [i181.photobucket.com image 163x273]


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-09 11:53:53 PM  
Countersuit for harassment in 3...2...
 
2013-03-10 11:36:37 AM  

Revek: the best comment was

I think they should comply.

Dear Prenda Law,
Our records indicate that the IP address range of 0.0.0.0/0 (and ::/0 for IPv6) covers all hosts which have ever connected to any Wordpress site.
Sincerely, Wordpress.


And the followup about actually writing a script to create a log with all IP addresses actually having hit the site....
 
2013-03-10 01:09:43 PM  
The only outcome I would consider justice tomorrow would be everybody associated with Prenda either going to prison or being sanctioned into the nearest gutter right down to the guy who cleans their toilets.
 
2013-03-11 07:19:26 AM  

Charlie Freak: MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?

There is a case where Prenda sued someone (really their public IP address) for illegally downloading porn, fought to disclose the person's name, lost, and is getting called on the carpet Monday by a Federal Judge in LA for defrauding the court. It's a really interesting case if you can wade through the legalese:

http://www.popehat.com/2013/03/06/what-prenda-law-is-facing-in-los-an g eles/

Anyway, they want to be able to shake people down like that on a regular basis, I'm assuming to see what sticks so they can get settlement payouts.


I've been following it on Ars Technica for a while now.  I think the funniest part of this entire new round of battles is that Prenda is actually trying to sue a guy for defamation after stealing his identity.
 
2013-03-11 10:30:44 AM  

Generation_D: They would then, presumably, start serving subpoena on everyone who's browsed the site, or naming you in their troll lawsuits. Resulting in you needing to pay time/effort/money to respond,


Screw that. We should change the laws so that you have to pay to file a suit but it's free to defend.

Also, it should be legal to shoot a known legal troll in the guts and then drag their body out into the middle of a hot field in summer and let the maggots finish what your six gun started while you record the whole thing and upload timelapses to youtube with Yakkity Sax as the background music.

But mostly the first part.
 
2013-03-11 01:00:25 PM  

Charlie Freak: MBA Whore: Could someone with more tech / legal smrt explain why the patent trolls would want this information and why would it matter if they had it?  Pretend I visited the anti-troll websites mentioned in the (brief) article.  So what?  I mean, what the hell could / would they do with that information?  They know I visited an anti-troll website.  Fine.  Now fark off and die under a bridge you troll.

Or is there something I am missing?

There is a case where Prenda sued someone (really their public IP address) for illegally downloading porn, fought to disclose the person's name, lost, and is getting called on the carpet Monday by a Federal Judge in LA for defrauding the court. It's a really interesting case if you can wade through the legalese:

http://www.popehat.com/2013/03/06/what-prenda-law-is-facing-in-los-an g eles/

Anyway, they want to be able to shake people down like that on a regular basis, I'm assuming to see what sticks so they can get settlement payouts.


The popehat site is the place to go for the full summary/analysis.

The short story (to the best of my ability) is:  A lawfirm (Prenda) basically created a fake company (AF) that acquires (unclear if they pay $ or not) rights to pron content that has little to no value.  The content is widely pirated, and Prenda goes about trying to track down illegal downloaders and bully them into settlements rather than have their names appear in court filing next to a string of filthy movies.  This seems to be a good enough business to keep doing it.  Prenda identifies the victims, sues them on behalf of AF, collects settlements, pays their own legal fees directly out of settlements and it's unclear if any money ever goes to AF, which is unsurprising because it's likely a shell.

Problems arise when someone fights back, and in digging into Prenda starts uncovering truth, and Prenda is now suing them for defamation.  Most of it is caused by Prenda's inability to follow its own overly convoluted corporate/legal/business structure.
 
2013-03-12 04:28:14 PM  

cefm: Problems arise when someone fights back, and in digging into Prenda starts uncovering truth, and Prenda is now suing them for defamation. Most of it is caused by Prenda's inability to follow its own overly convoluted corporate/legal/business structure.


Part of the problem, as I've read it, is that Prenda doesn't even bother to get the copyright in many cases,

I understand that the RIAA has been sued a couple times after asserting that they were acting on behalf of the artist when, in fact, they weren't.
 
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