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2013-03-09 02:06:08 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: "Our demonstration serves to call attention to the vagina as a site of conflict in medical, legislative, domestic, and representational arenas."

Well...they aren't wrong. That's for damn sure. My only qualm is that they didn't do this in front of the faux-genocide protesters.


That's not a very nice way to talk about the Holocaust, Mahmoud
 
2013-03-09 02:09:41 PM

ACunningPlan: Nem Wan: cantsleep: I've seen photos of aborted fetuses refered to as medical waste and shock photos, why the need to dehumanize something you support? Those pictures are the real results of abortion.

Why don't we get more anti-war protestors waving giant posters of gore and disfigurement then? The "real results" of war? Anti-abortion protestors who use gory images are not seeking to inform but to distort, to emotionally conflate fetal life with babyhood and childhood, to misdirect compassion from women who know their own struggle to barely-formed life that knows nothing, to make people less rational and humane, not more.

Tell a couple whose latest round of IVF miscarried that they didn't lose their baby, that it was barely-formed life that knew nothing and that their grief is merely emotional conflation of fetal life with babyhood & childhood.  We draw an arbitrary line based on what is viable because we have to, but we are still terminating life and gory pictures are that reality.

Fwiw, gory pictures of anything are in excessively poor taste - it's not hard to work out what a battlefield injury looks [& smells] like; the same goes for the aftermath of medical procedures.

/I'm pro-choice but I'm also a realist; a bundle of medical waste to one person, is the loss of a child to another.


I don't deny this. On the contrary, my entire point is that the mother is the one who's aware of what's going on, who is experiencing this. A miscarriage is a hard loss. An abortion can be even harder, either by being forced upon a woman due to medical issues or chosen because other costs to her life or her family's life would be too high. Miscarriage can be accepted as fate, but abortion carries responsibility, and that makes it one of the most difficult decisions one can face. Other people's compassion should be with the woman and people supporting her, because she is the one going through this. To hope waving a gory photo at strangers will encourage people to want to take away her choice, to deny her compassion, because an aborted fetus looks horrible, is a demented, thoughtless thing to do.
 
2013-03-09 02:16:19 PM
i.imgur.com i.imgur.com

We take a break from posting images that look like vaginas to call your attentions to the actual political claims being made.  Page 1 of the pamphlet. TFA should have had a link to the entire text.
 
2013-03-09 02:18:39 PM
I think we're probably pretty much in agreement.  Although you've a more compassionate view of human nature than I have:)  Not all women undergoing abortions are conflicted & suffering.  I don't think gory pictures are ever appropriate - it's merely being offensive for the sake of being offensive.  As for this bunch empowering women through their vaginas, that theory is backed by equally barmy thinking; although the photos themselves are harmless.
 
2013-03-09 02:19:04 PM
i.imgur.com i.imgur.com

Page 2 of the pamphlet
 
2013-03-09 02:25:55 PM

ACunningPlan: As for this bunch empowering women through their vaginas, that theory is backed by equally barmy thinking; although the photos themselves are harmless.


i.imgur.com

You're delegitimating people's own experiences with their own bodies and the political impulses involved. The pictures, far from being "harmless" are quite obviously powerful--they challenge the shame and secrecy about female reproductive systems that helps enable politicians to get away with invasive laws on people's bodies. If they didn't there wouldn't have been a controversy in the first place and you wouldn't be reading about it on Fark.. So no, we are NOT in agreement, cupcake.
 
2013-03-09 02:26:53 PM

Ivo Shandor: What a cunning stunt.


I see what you did there.
 
2013-03-09 02:27:09 PM
I am a huge fan of the vagina.  It's how we almost all got here, from deposit to delivery.  I do not, however, seem to be able to invest much credence in the notion that "But, vuh GYE nuh!" is inherently some sort of political statement, fraught with gravitas.  The notion that women should be able to do with their own bodies as they please is neither new, shocking, nor merits much argument.  The notion that the endless stream of attention seeking diatribe and tempest in a teapot drama that flows forth from this simple fact is somehow required reading is, well, malarkey.
 
2013-03-09 02:28:05 PM
whar georgia o'queef? WHAR!?!
 
2013-03-09 02:28:17 PM

Nem Wan: ACunningPlan: Nem Wan: cantsleep: I've seen photos of aborted fetuses refered to as medical waste and shock photos, why the need to dehumanize something you support? Those pictures are the real results of abortion.

Why don't we get more anti-war protestors waving giant posters of gore and disfigurement then? The "real results" of war? Anti-abortion protestors who use gory images are not seeking to inform but to distort, to emotionally conflate fetal life with babyhood and childhood, to misdirect compassion from women who know their own struggle to barely-formed life that knows nothing, to make people less rational and humane, not more.

Tell a couple whose latest round of IVF miscarried that they didn't lose their baby, that it was barely-formed life that knew nothing and that their grief is merely emotional conflation of fetal life with babyhood & childhood.  We draw an arbitrary line based on what is viable because we have to, but we are still terminating life and gory pictures are that reality.

Fwiw, gory pictures of anything are in excessively poor taste - it's not hard to work out what a battlefield injury looks [& smells] like; the same goes for the aftermath of medical procedures.

/I'm pro-choice but I'm also a realist; a bundle of medical waste to one person, is the loss of a child to another.

I don't deny this. On the contrary, my entire point is that the mother is the one who's aware of what's going on, who is experiencing this. A miscarriage is a hard loss. An abortion can be even harder, either by being forced upon a woman due to medical issues or chosen because other costs to her life or her family's life would be too high. Miscarriage can be accepted as fate, but abortion carries responsibility, and that makes it one of the most difficult decisions one can face. Other people's compassion should be with the woman and people supporting her, because she is the one going through this. To hope waving a gory photo at strangers will encourage people to wa ...


The quote thingy didn't to it's thingy first time, and I don't know how to edit a post.

I think we're probably pretty much in agreement.  Although you've a more compassionate view of human nature than I have:)  Not all women undergoing abortions are conflicted & suffering.  I don't think gory pictures are ever appropriate - it's merely being offensive for the sake of being offensive.  As for this bunch empowering women through their vaginas, that theory is backed by equally barmy thinking; although the photos themselves are harmless.
 
2013-03-09 02:30:07 PM

Somacandra: You're delegitimating people's own experiences with their own bodies


How on earth would one go about doing that?  They are THEIR own experiences with THEIR bodies.  They require no outside "legitimization" or dismissal.  I think the  word is "personal".
 
2013-03-09 02:33:37 PM

Somacandra: ACunningPlan: As for this bunch empowering women through their vaginas, that theory is backed by equally barmy thinking; although the photos themselves are harmless.

[i.imgur.com image 599x291]

You're delegitimating people's own experiences with their own bodies and the political impulses involved. The pictures, far from being "harmless" are quite obviously powerful--they challenge the shame and secrecy about female reproductive systems that helps enable politicians to get away with invasive laws on people's bodies. If they didn't there wouldn't have been a controversy in the first place and you wouldn't be reading about it on Fark.. So no, we are NOT in agreement, cupcake.


Sorry Pixie - seeing as we're exchanging pet names - I wasn't replying to you.  I mucked up my post in an on-going dialogue I was having with someone else.  As to your experiences with your vagina, have at it, please don't insist I view mine in the same way though.
 
2013-03-09 02:37:56 PM

bunner: I do not, however, seem to be able to invest much credence in the notion that "But, vuh GYE nuh!" is inherently some sort of political statement, fraught with gravitas


Fortunately, your mere opinion is irrelevant. Since elected officials can and are today banned from speaking in their legislatures if they even say the word "vagina", we have incontrovertible proof that in fact saying the word (much less displaying the picture) is an inherently political statement, fraught with precisely enough gravitas to cause said censorship. If it wasn't, elected officials wouldn't be banned from speaking about in during legislative debates. If it doesn't have power, it couldn't make people angry and afraid, by definition.
 
2013-03-09 02:38:47 PM

bunner: They are THEIR own experiences with THEIR bodies.  They require no outside "legitimization" or dismissal.


And yet people in this very thread try to do precisely that. So what does that tell you?
 
2013-03-09 02:39:01 PM

suburbanguy: Jon iz teh kewl: slepygryhnd: Images of bodies in a non-sexual context is pornographic? Okay. Got it. You're a prude. I see. I bet you have sex in the dark. I'm medicated, though, after a surgery, so I'm blathering. Back to sleep.

umm by definition, sexual organs are a sexual context.  I'D masturbate to them.

No. Reproductive organs are sex organs, not sexual organs. Sex != sexual.


as long as there's sperm in that there testes it's sexual
 
2013-03-09 02:42:03 PM

Somacandra: Fortunately, your mere opinion is irrelevant.


There's a lot of that about.
 
2013-03-09 02:42:46 PM

Bigfoot829: NSFW
I repeat, NSFW
http://imgur.com/a/qBu0n

/Not Sure if you're welcome
//Not what anyone thought when they heard Giant Vajayjay pics
///Also, NSFW


Vajayjays #4 and 6 still have the tampons in them. It's as if the protesters went out of their way to make it non-sexual.

/at least they are shaved
 
2013-03-09 02:44:13 PM

Somacandra: ACunningPlan: As for this bunch empowering women through their vaginas, that theory is backed by equally barmy thinking; although the photos themselves are harmless.

[i.imgur.com image 599x291]

You're delegitimating people's own experiences with their own bodies and the political impulses involved. The pictures, far from being "harmless" are quite obviously powerful--they challenge the shame and secrecy about female reproductive systems that helps enable politicians to get away with invasive laws on people's bodies. If they didn't there wouldn't have been a controversy in the first place and you wouldn't be reading about it on Fark.. So no, we are NOT in agreement, cupcake.


I like my vagina because rubbing it feels good. Liberating!

what a load of farking horseshiat
 
2013-03-09 02:48:11 PM
RTFA, and yeah, who gives a fark? The anti-abortion crowd went with shocking\slut-shaming, so the college students, who are probably art majors and actually know how to do this shiat, went with an image that had an actual  point.

I'd say the anti-abortion crowd just got taught how you really do this shiat, but then, ZOMG PORN IT'S ALL PORN. *facedesk*

/I'd hate to see the folks calling this obscene take an art class, you have to draw a nude model.
 
2013-03-09 02:57:04 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: suburbanguy: Jon iz teh kewl: slepygryhnd: Images of bodies in a non-sexual context is pornographic? Okay. Got it. You're a prude. I see. I bet you have sex in the dark. I'm medicated, though, after a surgery, so I'm blathering. Back to sleep.

umm by definition, sexual organs are a sexual context.  I'D masturbate to them.

No. Reproductive organs are sex organs, not sexual organs. Sex != sexual.

as long as there's sperm in that there testes it's sexual


No, as long as there's sperm in there, it's reproductive. As long as you're physically attracted to looking at his junk, it's sexual.

Sexual means related to the physical attraction between 2 people. It has to have a point of view or context. By themselves, organs are not sexual.
 
2013-03-09 03:00:12 PM

Richard Saunders: "...this is kind of me taking my body into my own hands and saying, 'This is what I can do and I can do it if I want to".

There has to be a better way to say that.



The really shiatty thing is that it shouldn't have to be said at all.
 
2013-03-09 03:00:22 PM

Jose628: [i.imgur.com image 480x740]

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we have a winnar!

end of thread.

how you found those pics ill never know
 
2013-03-09 03:02:42 PM

suburbanguy:  By themselves, organs are not sexual.


My liver is a slut.
 
2013-03-09 03:43:03 PM
www.colourbox.com
/yeah. hawtlinked
 
2013-03-09 03:46:00 PM
My daughter went to this. No biggie.

Oddly enough, I always think of her as being the Hello Kitty Darth Vader type. She's pretty cool, but when she gets pissed off...
 
2013-03-09 03:47:05 PM
female blood.........and VAGINAS!
 
2013-03-09 03:51:37 PM

ciberido: MikeSass: rogue_L_chick: They could have hired a better photographer. Maybe they just need some better lighting, or something,

Trust me, it isn't the photographer.  The dim lighting on those wretched examples of the beauty of the female genitalia is a favor to us all.  I would almost rather look at the fetus pictures to be honest.

/Pro-tip to women getting photos taken of your cootchies:  Have a little consideration and tuck in the string.


I'm sorry actual vaginas frighten and confuse you.  Have you considered homosexuality?  I'm told it's a choice.


i790.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-09 03:52:55 PM

Buggar: female blood.........and VAGINAS!


The folks at Kimberly Clark who made these huge gauze pad bandages for WW I soldiers who were badly hurt and had large wounds, so as to soak up the massive bleeding and allow clotting before hemorrhaging out, found a great use for them after the war as disposable feminine napkins.  Nice bit of work, that.  I wish so many useful products didn't emerge from wholesale genocide.
 
2013-03-09 03:57:45 PM
So in the land of milk and honey..and birth control pills...why does abortion even exist? Most stats show the increased use of birth control causes an increase in abortion. Why? Simple. The failure rate of the pill is higher thn stated. When it fails, it usually fails on a woman who was not wanting to have a child. Therefore, we have abortion. It's a pretty anti woman cycle there. Sounds like this birth control with abortion backup plan was invented by horny frat boys.
 
2013-03-09 03:59:38 PM

Proteios1: Sounds like this birth control with abortion backup plan was invented by horny frat boys.


Shhhh.  There's an industry at stake here.
 
2013-03-09 04:06:49 PM
Any time you find yourself rabidly attacking or defending any alleged hot button "issue", ask yourself these three questions.

What does it cost, how much does it cost, and why do we assume that that's what it SHOULD cost?

Who gets paid?

What interest would the people getting paid have in keeping the populace at large barking at each other about it while the money flows?
 
2013-03-09 04:14:01 PM
Proteios1 2013-03-09 03:57:45 PM
(farky'd as: You suck at this. Find a new hobby. 7061544)

the increased use of birth control causes an increase in abortion

Do you know what I get when I put that phrase in Google Search?

I get complete horseshiat, that's what.
 
2013-03-09 04:15:12 PM
oops, bad kity bit teh hook

/dammit
 
2013-03-09 04:15:45 PM
To clarify, "what does it provide, how much does it cost"  Oops.
 
2013-03-09 04:45:42 PM
Holy Hot Happy Gash! It's a cheap twat extravaganza!
 
2013-03-09 05:59:21 PM

ACunningPlan: Fwiw, gory pictures of anything are in excessively poor taste - it's not hard to work out what a battlefield injury looks [& smells] like; the same goes for the aftermath of medical procedures.


I disagree.  If the images "worked out" in your imagination were accurate, you wouldn't be shocked by reality.  Doses of reality can be beneficial.
 
2013-03-09 06:06:55 PM

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 456x451] [i.imgur.com image 446x351]

Page 2 of the pamphlet


Read like Jezebel or Wonkette.  Ineffective.
 
2013-03-09 06:11:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: ACunningPlan: Fwiw, gory pictures of anything are in excessively poor taste - it's not hard to work out what a battlefield injury looks [& smells] like; the same goes for the aftermath of medical procedures.

I disagree.  If the images "worked out" in your imagination were accurate, you wouldn't be shocked by reality.  Doses of reality can be beneficial.


I'm not shocked by reality; might wish reality was different, it doesn't shock me though.  Or did you mean people in general? [not being snarky, btw]   You're right about doses of reality.  But it does get into tricky territory; because the threshold for what each person finds offensive or disturbing is so varied, it's very difficult to draw the line.
 
2013-03-09 06:12:13 PM
I looked at the signs and the pictures. Good on these girls. And shame on you troglodytes for mocking them.
 
2013-03-09 06:17:53 PM

Molavian: LGBTQ LOL WTFBBQ?


Bisexual, Transsexual, Questioning.
 
2013-03-09 06:44:54 PM

Hal5423: Random question here: If these women are so proud of their vaginas and claim to draw so much personal strength from this aspect of their womanhood, then why do so many of them feel the need to shave or use Brazilian waxes? This phenomenon of a hairless vagina as a standard of beauty if both the result of peer pressure and the practices of the porno industry, and ultimately results in unhealthy body image given the fact that a woman must remove a naturally-occurring part of her body in order to seem normal. Furthermore, the absence of pubic hair as a standard of beauty seeks to diminish the idea of an adult woman as sexually liberated and independent by determining that she must appear as a prepubescent girl in order to be "sexually acceptable" for men. This social pressure has the psychological repercussion of creating a sort of "woman-child" standard of beauty, thus implicitly diminishing the perception of a woman's intellectual capabilities and has wide implications on the state of gender equality.


Because it is hot, hot, hot.  Who doesn't like to please their mate?  Easier to keep clean.  Easier access for me to give her oral pleasure.  And everything is slippery no matter what angle you are entering from.  Allows for lots of new, pleasurable positions for both parties.  And last, it's hot.

FYI, many of us guys wax/Epilady™/shave/get electrolysis as well.

Hairless junk on hairless junk is more fun for all involved.
 
2013-03-09 06:50:39 PM

Bigfoot829: NSFW
I repeat, NSFW
http://imgur.com/a/qBu0n

/Not Sure if you're welcome
//Not what anyone thought when they heard Giant Vajayjay pics
///Also, NSFW


This is why I FARK from my mobile phone. I don't find the pics to be pornographic. No more than a picture of a flaccid penis on a Greek guy on an urn.

Thanks for sharing :)
 
2013-03-09 07:04:22 PM
Far be it from me to piss in the wading pool of the brave new world, but if your movement - after having achieved most of its stated goals almost 45 years ago - finds you lying on the side of the bed from "the enemy", trying more emphatically and gymnastically state your immutable manifesto du jour, I'm pretty sure your movement turned into a T-Shirt, a cocktail party banter touchstone and a cable channel a long time ago.
 
2013-03-09 07:06:55 PM
the other side from  -  trying to more emphatically.  I kinnae typer fer toffee.
 
2013-03-09 07:08:07 PM

skullkrusher: opting out of child support sounds fair. As long as you permanently relinquish all visitation rights. Abortion for dudes


It's fair as long as the kid agrees to forego the financial support.
 
2013-03-09 07:14:55 PM

Graffito: skullkrusher: opting out of child support sounds fair. As long as you permanently relinquish all visitation rights. Abortion for dudes

It's fair as long as the kid agrees to forego the financial support.


that doesn't have anything to do with it. Mom should've had an abortion in that case.
 
2013-03-09 07:19:28 PM

skullkrusher: Graffito: skullkrusher: opting out of child support sounds fair. As long as you permanently relinquish all visitation rights. Abortion for dudes

It's fair as long as the kid agrees to forego the financial support.

that doesn't have anything to do with it. Mom should've had an abortion in that case.


It has everything to do with it.  It's called child support fer cryin' out loud, not baby-momma support.
 
2013-03-09 08:10:01 PM

Graffito: skullkrusher: Graffito: skullkrusher: opting out of child support sounds fair. As long as you permanently relinquish all visitation rights. Abortion for dudes

It's fair as long as the kid agrees to forego the financial support.

that doesn't have anything to do with it. Mom should've had an abortion in that case.

It has everything to do with it.  It's called child support fer cryin' out loud, not baby-momma support.


This.  Child support is not a property right that the custodial parent has.  It's an obligation that BOTH parents have to the child and society.  Giving up your parental rights does not void your debt to the child or society.  A custodial parent who refuses to pursue child support is as reprehensible as one who refuses to pursue medical care for a child.
 
2013-03-09 08:35:36 PM

Graffito: skullkrusher: Graffito: skullkrusher: opting out of child support sounds fair. As long as you permanently relinquish all visitation rights. Abortion for dudes

It's fair as long as the kid agrees to forego the financial support.

that doesn't have anything to do with it. Mom should've had an abortion in that case.

It has everything to do with it.  It's called child support fer cryin' out loud, not baby-momma support.


but if the mom knows early enough, she can make the decision based on that info. If the dad doesn't want anything to do with the kid, he shouldn't have to. That includes child support provided he declares that intent early in the pregnancy
 
2013-03-09 08:44:06 PM

Hal5423: Random question here: If these women are so proud of their vaginas and claim to draw so much personal strength from this aspect of their womanhood, then why do so many of them feel the need to shave or use Brazilian waxes? This phenomenon of a hairless vagina as a standard of beauty if both the result of peer pressure and the practices of the porno industry, and ultimately results in unhealthy body image given the fact that a woman must remove a naturally-occurring part of her body in order to seem normal. Furthermore, the absence of pubic hair as a standard of beauty seeks to diminish the idea of an adult woman as sexually liberated and independent by determining that she must appear as a prepubescent girl in order to be "sexually acceptable" for men. This social pressure has the psychological repercussion of creating a sort of "woman-child" standard of beauty, thus implicitly diminishing the perception of a woman's intellectual capabilities and has wide implications on the state of gender equality.


Assuming you're not trolling, consider this: Crabs are almost unheard of these days, thanks to shaving.
 
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