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(BBC)   Thousands of speeding tickets could be quashed due to speed limit signs using the wrong font. Sign constructors accused of being dingbats   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 54
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2013-03-09 06:41:00 AM  
Were they in Comic Sans?
 
2013-03-09 08:57:28 AM  
Awwww- government getting tied up in their own red tape.
 
2013-03-09 08:59:34 AM  
I'm so glad someone is cracking down on people trying to cheap out and use Arial instead of Helvetica.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-03-09 09:12:17 AM  
So there's still hope at fighting that running the red light ticket because I'm color blind?
 
2013-03-09 11:10:09 AM  

St_Francis_P: Were they in Comic Sans?


No, Papyrus.
 
2013-03-09 11:11:58 AM  
I knew kerning was a government conspiracy!
 
2013-03-09 11:14:08 AM  

Pud: So there's still hope at fighting that running the red light ticket because I'm color blind?


Sadly, no, unless the red light was a nonstandard light that you could reasonably believe is not an official traffic control device.

On one of the side streets near where I work, some buffoon puts a "Speed Limit 10MPH" sign on her front lawn.  I blow right past it, confident that it's not an official sign.
 
2013-03-09 11:14:32 AM  
it's not the font, but the space between that matters
 
2013-03-09 11:15:13 AM  

mr_a: Awwww- government getting tied up in their own red tape.


And yet we get all whiney when the wealthy use the same legal loopholes.
 
2013-03-09 11:15:50 AM  
The government actually admitting error on traffic enforcement despite potential revenue loss? Definitely not the US.
 
2013-03-09 11:17:19 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The government actually admitting error on traffic enforcement despite potential revenue loss? Definitely not the US.


We needs more bubble wrap too.
 
2013-03-09 11:20:05 AM  
Those darned Arabic numerals. Here is the new sign.

SPEED
 LIMIT

  VX
 
2013-03-09 11:20:32 AM  
Subby, what you did there, I see it.

/shakes tiny fist
 
2013-03-09 11:22:46 AM  

mr_a: Awwww- government getting tied up in their own red tape.


They're not getting tied up in it. They're rolling in the money.

It's no wonder that many elected officials are lawyers and that they write stupid laws and I for one am convinced that they write them in such a way as to allow bullshiat legal battles like this which do not serve the public and which only exist to make other lawyers rich.

/+1 on the headline subby. I would read it again and still enjoy it.
 
2013-03-09 11:27:27 AM  
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/interstate/

Plus in the US, they substituent "thru" for "through".  Thank goodness, because some word look the same when doing 95 in the slow lane:
 through
 tough
 trough

/If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk.
 
2013-03-09 11:30:42 AM  
i.imgur.com

should have discussed it
 
2013-03-09 11:31:18 AM  
Happy Hours:
It's no wonder that many elected officials are lawyers and that they write stupid laws and I for one am convinced that they write them in such a way as to allow bullshiat legal battles like this which do not serve the public and which only exist to make other lawyers rich.

I'm not.  I'm more sure of human inventiveness over malicious intent.  If you posited that 2 = 2, someone would find a way to work around that.  The legalese is just an attempt to try to close those loopholes, which comical results.

I'm into automotive racing.  One of my hobbies is finding loopholes in the rules.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-09 11:36:57 AM  
In the USA traffic lights have a standard layout, e.g. red on top when the lights are vertical, in part to help color blind drivers. One city decided to put green on top because Irish. That is a nonstandard traffic light and you can probably get away with running a red-on-bottom.
 
2013-03-09 11:43:03 AM  

ZAZ: In the USA traffic lights have a standard layout, e.g. red on top when the lights are vertical, in part to help color blind drivers. One city decided to put green on top because Irish. That is a nonstandard traffic light and you can probably get away with running a red-on-bottom.


Don't wanna highjack the thread, but an Irish girlfriend in college liked it on top, too.  Coincidence?
 
2013-03-09 11:43:36 AM  
In other news, a Barrister (or soliciter, or whatever the equivalent of a lawyer is) got a speeding ticket and is fighting it
 
2013-03-09 11:44:06 AM  
Maybe the sign constructors should stifle themselves.
 
2013-03-09 11:49:24 AM  
Personally, I don't see the what the problem is.
 
2013-03-09 11:50:08 AM  
That's Helvetica of a quandary.
 
2013-03-09 11:56:34 AM  

St_Francis_P: Were they in Comic Sans?


Whenever I see a font thread, I think of C&H:

www.explosm.net
 
2013-03-09 11:56:52 AM  
Mister Peejay

Pud: So there's still hope at fighting that running the red light ticket because I'm color blind?

Sadly, no, unless the red light was a nonstandard light that you could reasonably believe is not an official traffic control device.

On one of the side streets near where I work, some buffoon puts a "Speed Limit 10MPH" sign on her front lawn. I blow right past it, confident that it's not an official sign.


Be careful, somebody did that when I was a teenager. They put up their own 45 MPH speed limit signs and my friend got a ticket from the cop that was following her. It didn't seem to matter that it wasn't a valid sign.
 
2013-03-09 12:17:21 PM  

eraser8: St_Francis_P: Were they in Comic Sans?

Whenever I see a font thread, I think of C&H:

[www.explosm.net image 490x480]


Comic Sans - THE BOLDEST OF THEM ALL!!
 
2013-03-09 12:23:35 PM  
Variable speed zones? That sounds annoying.
 
2013-03-09 12:27:31 PM  
Next thing you'll tell me a spray-painted "X" over the 55 doesn't void the limit.
 
2013-03-09 12:29:34 PM  
So the sign had the wrong
www.functionx.com
 
2013-03-09 12:42:55 PM  

MylesHeartVodak: Those darned Arabic numerals. Here is the new sign.

SPEED
 LIMIT

  VX


To L with that. No, seriously, if you're going for "50," the Roman numeral is L.

Also, what we call Arabic numerals are really Indo-Arabic (or Hindu-Arabic) numerals. Numerals in Arabic script look totally different.
 
2013-03-09 12:49:54 PM  
 
2013-03-09 12:51:46 PM  

Mister Peejay: Happy Hours:
It's no wonder that many elected officials are lawyers and that they write stupid laws and I for one am convinced that they write them in such a way as to allow bullshiat legal battles like this which do not serve the public and which only exist to make other lawyers rich.

I'm not.  I'm more sure of human inventiveness over malicious intent.  If you posited that 2 = 2, someone would find a way to work around that.  The legalese is just an attempt to try to close those loopholes, which comical results.

I'm into automotive racing.  One of my hobbies is finding loopholes in the rules.


I see nothing wrong with automotive racing, but the fact that you say finding loopholes in the rules is one of your hobbies suggests to me that you're a street racer, Maybe I'm wrong, but if you're racing on public streets then you should be arrested and your car should be confiscated.

It's snowing outside right now where I live. I just made a quick run to the store and the stop sign around the corner is completely covered with snow. The only way I knew it was a stop sign is the shape and the fact that I know there is a stop sign at that intersection.

Are you saying you would have run a stop sign under those conditions? And if your answer is yes, even when it's sowing and the roads are icy and someone else might have been going through that intersection who couldn't stop?
 
2013-03-09 01:09:07 PM  
The tickets should get thrown out as those letters are way to tall and skinny. Who thought those look good? Spend a couple extra quid and get a larger sign or shorten the letters.
 
2013-03-09 01:32:52 PM  

MikeBoomshadow: MylesHeartVodak: Those darned Arabic numerals. Here is the new sign.

SPEED
 LIMIT

  VX

To L with that. No, seriously, if you're going for "50," the Roman numeral is L.

Also, what we call Arabic numerals are really Indo-Arabic (or Hindu-Arabic) numerals. Numerals in Arabic script look totally different.


I can't drive LV!
 
2013-03-09 01:44:05 PM  

jake_lex: I'm so glad someone is cracking down on people trying to cheap out and use Arial instead of Helvetica.


More like "Unidentifiable proprietary knockoff rather than proper Transport", but same general idea.

And yes, people have gotten out of tickets here in the US as well due to the states not exactly following either the federal MUTCD or state MUTCD.  One of the more common ways people get out of speeding tickets is the sign being in the wrong font and thus invalid--contractor signs in Helvetica instead of MUTCD E Modified, speed limit signs in the wrong MUTCD font family (MUTCD D as a substitution for E Modified has hung up a speeding ticket or two), etc.  Yes, nuking speeding tickets by pointing out the sign has the wrong font IS a form of Lawful Evil, but a rare one not entirely in favour of the state.
 
2013-03-09 01:45:38 PM  
Not enough love for subby in this thread. Yet. I know why- fonts is srs bsns.

But, I like it. HOTY candidate? Possibly.
Subby also deserves this-

Bah-dum, tssssh.

/too hard to post pics on phone still admins
 
2013-03-09 01:46:57 PM  

MikeBoomshadow: MylesHeartVodak: Those darned Arabic numerals. Here is the new sign.

SPEED
 LIMIT

  VX

To L with that. No, seriously, if you're going for "50," the Roman numeral is L.

Also, what we call Arabic numerals are really Indo-Arabic (or Hindu-Arabic) numerals. Numerals in Arabic script look totally different.


Well, no. 1 and 9 are the same.

So only 80% different.

;-)
 
2013-03-09 01:51:26 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: So the sign had the wrong [www.functionx.com image 528x513]


That's nothing. You should see what the kids are doing these days in Unicode 6.
 
2013-03-09 01:51:48 PM  
Maybe instead of a font they should use a typeface.
 
2013-03-09 01:57:26 PM  
What does Edith Bunker have to do with the British government farking up a speed limit sign?
 
2013-03-09 02:43:57 PM  
Happy Hours:
I see nothing wrong with automotive racing, but the fact that you say finding loopholes in the rules is one of your hobbies suggests to me that you're a street racer,

Street racers don't give a crap about rules.  They don't even have rules.

There is no level of motorsports, amateur or professional, where the rules structure isn't intricately examined and exploited for loopholes.  For example:  In some forms of door-to-door racing, it's specified that cars must have the entire original wiring harness, and windows and window mechanisms must still be in the doors.  So what they do is remove the wiring harness and curl it into a tight little ball and secure it place it somewhere low in the car, and break the window glass into cubic zirconia and glue it to the inside bottom of the doors.  Hey, meets the letter of the rules, right?

Another favorite of mine is that suspension geometry may not be altered but "traction devices" and bushing material are free.  So they replace the original suspension bushings with roll bar padding, and create their own second set of suspension links (with geometry how they choose) and call those "traction devices".

Some of the more innovative people will protest themselves in order to validate their colorful interpretation of the rules.

/i suppose this is why they decided to put me on the national rules committee.  gets me out of their hair
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-09 02:54:27 PM  
Variable speed zones? That sounds annoying.

Like speed limits in general, variable speed limits have a plausible reason to exist but are trouble in real life. If they worked they might increase road capacity 10% or so. In America drivers know that speed limits are jokes and they aren't likely to care that the sign that used to say 55 (where everybody including little old ladies goes 70) now say 45. In the UK they use speed cameras to emphasize that the reduction from 70 to 60 is meant to be taken seriously.
 
2013-03-09 02:54:49 PM  

img594.imageshack.us


At least they got the font and the word "EXIT" right...

/Rothschild
//Schofield
 
2013-03-09 02:59:22 PM  
oh for farks sake!. seriously?   what a ridiculous technicality to use to try to beat damn a speeding ticket.
 
2013-03-09 03:00:41 PM  

Ivo Shandor: That's nothing. You should see what the kids are doing these days in Unicode 6.


Why do we need all these things?

/rods
//hogshead
///likes it
////etc
 
2013-03-09 03:20:57 PM  

grimlock1972: oh for farks sake!. seriously?   what a ridiculous brilliant technicality to use to try to beat a damn speeding ticket.


FTFM, FTFY
 
2013-03-09 04:31:28 PM  

grimlock1972: oh for farks sake!. seriously?   what a ridiculous technicality to use to try to beat damn a speeding ticket.


Government is quite happy to fark people over on technical breaches of the law, so cry me a river when people use the same tactic.
 
2013-03-09 04:33:37 PM  
Obligatory

blogs.hsc.edu
 
2013-03-09 04:44:05 PM  
I, too, thought of dear old Comic Sans.

I don't know why people get their knickers in a knot over it. I suspect that those who do use Times New Roman 12 point font to compose their love letters. They might even cheap out and use 10 point font to save ink.

Phooey!

I agree that you can abuse Comic Sans. It is not a good font for formal or official documents. But it is a friendly, informal font and works well where you might hire a sign-letterer to use a friendly and informal font, such as sale signs at a grocery store, or a quick note or aside to a co-worker that is not for distribution.
 Well, I learned how to do Red font in the last couple of minutes, but my browser hasn't got Comic Sans among the pre-selected list of fonts. I used to work with formating and possibly some HTLM codes back in the days when managers couldn't do bold or underline and had their underlings do it for them. Nowadays some upper managers know more than I do.


There's nothing more annoying than people who use hard returns at the end of
every line. What fools these mortals be!

But progress is progress. Hurrah! A thousand new ways of being annoying!
 
2013-03-09 04:44:44 PM  
All mistakes are intentional.
 
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