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(Fox News)   86 year old woman suffering from dementia is charged with felony voter fraud for voting twice in the 2012 election, says she couldn't make up her mind between Millard Fillmore and Calvin Coolidge   (foxnews.com) divider line 89
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2013-03-09 02:36:56 AM
This is the smoking gun we've been looking for!
 
2013-03-09 06:33:43 AM
Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?
 
2013-03-09 06:43:40 AM

Summoner101: Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?


Don't make excuses. It's time we locked away the old bat where she can no longer be a menace to society.
 
2013-03-09 08:52:22 AM
That's right. It's her fault that everything is wrong with today's political system. Get her. Get her good.
 
2013-03-09 08:53:06 AM

St_Francis_P: Summoner101: Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?

Don't make excuses. It's time we locked away the old bat where she can no longer be a menace to society.


Not only that, this is evidence that Sarah Palin is president.
 
2013-03-09 08:56:01 AM
She must not have voted for Obama.
 
2013-03-09 08:56:15 AM

erveek: St_Francis_P: Summoner101: Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?

Don't make excuses. It's time we locked away the old bat where she can no longer be a menace to society.

Not only that, this is evidence that Sarah Palin is president.


Wait...she's not already?
 
2013-03-09 08:56:42 AM
Voter ID would have prevented this.
 
2013-03-09 08:57:47 AM

badhatharry: She must not have voted for Obama.


Actually, I was about to say the opposite. If she had voted for Obama, don't you think Fox News would have screamed that nine times in the article?

But she didn't, so they didn't mention it.
 
2013-03-09 08:59:58 AM

NormallyTechnos: If she had voted for Obama, don't you think Fox News would have screamed that nine times in the article?


Exactly. I was looking for that, and kind of let down they didn't work in a single dig about Obama.
 
2013-03-09 09:00:14 AM
Meanwhile here in Cincinnati (in a story covered by Fark) a poll worker who it is known voted at least 4 times & possibly as many as 19 is (so far) escaping all charges because her oh so believable defense is "I didn't know I couldn't do that or vote more than once'.  Sure, a poll worker not knowing that you can't vote more than once.

/also wonders along with the lady in TFA why she wasn't just told to go home as her absentee ballot was already recorded.
 
2013-03-09 09:02:34 AM
I wonder if helpful campaign workers visited the nursing home one day and "helped" residents fill out absentee ballots?

Those old and demented people must have forgotten that they filled out some straight party ticket ballots.  Or are you implying that some patriotic campaigners, in their zeal to ensure that all Americans exercise their right to vote, accidentally filled out some ballots for these Alzheimer-Americans?

Either way, no big deal.  Move along, nothing to see here.
 
2013-03-09 09:08:04 AM

Summoner101: Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?


The entire point of an absentee ballot is that you are going to be out of town (or otherwise indisposed) on election day.  You know...absent.  In fact, in many places its illegal to even apply for an absentee ballot if you are capable of getting to the polls during the election.

ps...contrary to what everyone tells you, absentee ballots are tallied just like every other ballot.
 
2013-03-09 09:08:45 AM
Got jury duty this week.  Wish it was this case.  Old lady would be going home with an apology from the jurors.  DA wouldn't be making eye contact with the jury, that's for sure.
 
2013-03-09 09:11:43 AM
Seems fitting...person with dementia voting republican, actually, that explains a lot..
 
2013-03-09 09:14:52 AM
So... the system works?
 
2013-03-09 09:14:56 AM
Because 86-year-old women need a good ass whooping and jailing.
 
2013-03-09 09:15:31 AM
This means Michele Bachmann has to give an Albanian Badger Stomp to Al Franken, Marcus Bachmann is the new roadie for One Direction and the Vikings are retroactively awarded the 1971 Super Bowl!
 
2013-03-09 09:15:50 AM

Summoner101: Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?


I volunteered as a poll worker back when I was a senior in high school (only "volunteer project" we could be paid for. The day off from school was nice too). The rule was everyone who wanted to vote got to vote. If it was something like an absentee voter then we put it in a provisional ballot envelope, which would be sorted out later. My assumption would be that if someone voted twice in this manner (1 absentee, 1 provisional), then the provisional ballot wouldn't count and simply life would go on, but 2002 was a different time and a different place.
 
2013-03-09 09:16:05 AM

NormallyTechnos: badhatharry: She must not have voted for Obama.

Actually, I was about to say the opposite. If she had voted for Obama, don't you think Fox News would have screamed that nine times in the article?

But she didn't, so they didn't mention it.


I don't believe that who you voted for is a valid legal question.  So no one knows who she voted for. Not even her.
 
2013-03-09 09:21:18 AM

ArtosRC: It's her fault that everything is wrong with today's political system. Get her. Get her good.


That's the tradition in the United States.
The poor and weak get hammered, the rich and well connected skate by.
/sadly
 
2013-03-09 09:21:41 AM

badhatharry: She must not have voted for Obama.


As we all know, Obama's strongest demographic is 'Elderly white people'.
 
2013-03-09 09:22:52 AM

Wyalt Derp: Voter ID would have prevented this.


What he said.
 
2013-03-09 09:25:24 AM

Summoner101: Isn't it not uncommon for someone to send in an absentee ballot, but due to the nature of the election cycle, vote at their polling place to ensure their vote is counted?  Absentee ballots tend to only matter if they would make a difference in the election.  Do polling places not catch it when there's a vote already on file when accounting for absentee ballots?  Wait, that's how she was caught?  Then why not just throw out the absentee ballot and call it a day?


In Pennsylvania, if you send in an absentee ballot but end up being in town on the day of the election after all, you are actually required to go to the polls and vote in person.  The voter registry has an indication that you submitted an absentee ballot, and the poll workers just pull your absentee envelope from the pile and destroy it.

Hard to enforce, but there is some insider sniping that goes on between dem/rep party workers based on the rule.
 
2013-03-09 09:30:49 AM
Put her on a chain gang. That should help reform her!
 
2013-03-09 09:31:50 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This means Michele Bachmann has to give an Albanian Badger Stomp to Al Franken, Marcus Bachmann is the new roadie for One Direction and the Vikings are retroactively awarded the 1971 Super Bowl!


First GIS return for Albanian Badger Stomp.
 farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2013-03-09 09:34:42 AM
Looks like that 0.00004% just became 0.000041%
 
2013-03-09 09:34:53 AM
This will go no where and I'm surprised she was charged.  She doesn't have the mental capacity to assist in her defense and there was no intent.
 
2013-03-09 09:36:05 AM

slayer199: This will go no where and I'm surprised she was charged.  She doesn't have the mental capacity to assist in her defense and there was no intent.


Whatever. She was ACORN's last sleeper agent and I hope they throw the book at her.
 
2013-03-09 09:37:37 AM
Who did she vote for?  It's important to know when determining the level of outrage.
Romney voter?  Honest mistake. She's a proud American who votes.
Obama voter?  String her up!  We need voter ID's!  This is an outrage!  Voter fraud!  She's the reason the blah guy is in office.
 
2013-03-09 09:38:03 AM

Cataholic: The entire point of an absentee ballot is that you are going to be out of town (or otherwise indisposed) on election day.  You know...absent.  In fact, in many places its illegal to even apply for an absentee ballot if you are capable of getting to the polls during the election.

ps...contrary to what everyone tells you, absentee ballots are tallied just like every other ballot.


Your experience differs from mine: in Arizona, one can request a mail-in ballot regardless of circumstances. Naturally, one is only allowed to vote once in an election, but there's no requirement that someone vote in-person. Ever since I discovered I could, I vote by mail as it is much more convenient, I don't need to wait in line, and there's nobody telling me I can't drink a beer while voting.

I was under the impression that not all states count absentee ballots unless there's a need to: the processing requirements for them are higher due to needing to open the envelopes and manually sort them. If Candidate A is 30,000 votes ahead of Candidate B by the time in-person ballots are counted and there's only 2,000 absentee ballots, then there's no real need to count them as they wouldn't make any difference in the election. I'm actually OK with that.

/American expat living in Europe.
//the Arizona Dept. of Elections was remarkably responsive to the minor issues I encountered while attempting to vote from overseas.
 
2013-03-09 09:40:37 AM
media.theonion.com

Came for this. Disappointed I have to do it myself.
 
MFK
2013-03-09 09:47:18 AM
FTFA:

The county attorney tells the station she had no choice but to file charges against Schneider, saying she could even lose her job if she refused to.

"If I have probable cause to believe the crime occurred, I do not have discretion to charge," Michelle Zehnder Fischer said. "I have to charge it."


I hope this idiot loses her job over this anyway. If someone who is supposedly intelligent enough to be a county attorney isn't smart enough to look at this, use her common sense and say "oh, that's sad" and move on, they aren't fit to be in any position of authority. This is the same stupid "zero tolerance" mentality that has spilled over from the public school system into our legal system and that is farking scary as all hell. If we as a society don't look at this case and make corrections in our approach to these matters, we have truly lost our way.
 
2013-03-09 09:50:10 AM

Asa Phelps: This is the smoking gun we've been looking for!


lol

now once all the old folks are prevented from voting, we'll all live in a Democratic Republic again!
 
2013-03-09 10:00:27 AM

clambam: So... the system works?


No. After scouring the bushes for years, they found ONE instance of actual voter fraud - so we should spend millions instituting "voter ID" laws.
At this point, of course, these dumbass laws don't even accomplish their intended purpose - intimidating the poor and powerless. It failed because the word is out - nobody, anywhere, whatever stupid state law is on their books, can legally stop an adult from voting. You can force them to cast a provisional ballot, but that won't negate their vote.
Fail, thy name is GOP.
 
2013-03-09 10:07:31 AM

jso2897: clambam: So... the system works?

No. After scouring the bushes for years, they found ONE instance of actual voter fraud - so we should spend millions instituting "voter ID" laws.
At this point, of course, these dumbass laws don't even accomplish their intended purpose - intimidating the poor and powerless. It failed because the word is out - nobody, anywhere, whatever stupid state law is on their books, can legally stop an adult from voting. You can force them to cast a provisional ballot, but that won't negate their vote.
Fail, thy name is GOP.


Um, better check the gain on your sarcasm-meter.
 
2013-03-09 10:10:22 AM
"The county attorney tells the station she had no choice but to file charges against Schneider, saying she could even lose her job if she refused to."


That is total bullshiat! The prosecuting arm of the state absolutely has the discretion to say that there is not a compelling case against the women and therefore it is not worth wasting the court's time and taxpayer money prosecuting.
 
2013-03-09 10:13:20 AM

clambam: jso2897: clambam: So... the system works?

No. After scouring the bushes for years, they found ONE instance of actual voter fraud - so we should spend millions instituting "voter ID" laws.
At this point, of course, these dumbass laws don't even accomplish their intended purpose - intimidating the poor and powerless. It failed because the word is out - nobody, anywhere, whatever stupid state law is on their books, can legally stop an adult from voting. You can force them to cast a provisional ballot, but that won't negate their vote.
Fail, thy name is GOP.

Um, better check the gain on your sarcasm-meter.


That was my suspicion - but I decided to take it as an opportunity to point out to the "voter ID" advocates here that their stupid scheme won't even accomplish what they REALLY want. It's just a waste of time and money.
 
2013-03-09 10:14:56 AM
The first crime is that we let people like her vote in the first place.
The second crime is that organizations like Acorn specifically target people like this for registration.
 
2013-03-09 10:19:38 AM
She probably voted for Romney in one and Obama in the other.
 
2013-03-09 10:21:54 AM
This is what happens when the GOP starts a witch hunt.  It always leads them back to their ancestors.
 
2013-03-09 10:22:56 AM

hinten: The first crime is that we let people like her vote in the first place.
The second crime is that organizations like Acorn specifically target people like this for registration.


Neither of those things are crimes., and no organization named "Acorn" exists.
But other than that, your statement is totes factual.
 
2013-03-09 10:23:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Because 86-year-old women need a good ass whooping and jailing.


lolzombie.com
 
2013-03-09 10:23:29 AM
So Fox News is complaining that someone is being prosecuted for voter fraud?

She must have voted Republican.
 
2013-03-09 10:27:08 AM
Conservative: A stalwart, upstanding person who is extremely proud that so many brave Americans died for our right to vote, and terribly butthurt that "too many" people exercise that right.

Hey - I said "stalwart & upstanding" - not "able to place two coherent thoughts together".
 
2013-03-09 10:28:02 AM

LordJiro: badhatharry: She must not have voted for Obama.

As we all know, Obama's strongest demographic is 'Elderly white people'.


FWIW, my 92 year-old grandmother (who, sadly, did not vote) told me she would have voted for Obama.

/white
 
2013-03-09 10:28:20 AM
So Democracy is a failure?
 
2013-03-09 10:30:10 AM

lj1330: Seems fitting...person with dementia voting republican, actually, that explains a lot..


The local Republicans send teams to the Memory Care unit where my MIL is and get them all to vote Republican. If they came around twice 10 minutes later none of the residents would know and they could get them to vote as many times as they wanted to.
 
2013-03-09 10:43:18 AM

IlGreven: NormallyTechnos: badhatharry: She must not have voted for Obama.

Actually, I was about to say the opposite. If she had voted for Obama, don't you think Fox News would have screamed that nine times in the article?

But she didn't, so they didn't mention it.

I don't believe that who you voted for is a valid legal question.  So no one knows who she voted for. Not even her.


At 86 years old, I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up voting for a different one each time.
 
2013-03-09 10:46:53 AM
Demands to implement aptitude tests for voting privileges to start in 3...2...
 
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