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(Washington Post)   Sad: VA state trooper shot and killed in the line of duty. Not News: Judge appoints attorney for defendant. Fark: defendant to Judge "Y'all are going to execute me anyway. Why would I need an attorney?"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 115
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2013-03-08 09:55:34 PM
Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.
 
2013-03-08 10:05:54 PM
Fark it, why have court rooms?
 
2013-03-08 10:06:32 PM
I'm surprised this guy lived to make it to trial honestly.
 
2013-03-08 10:33:20 PM

ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.


How you figure?  It demonstrates he's not only aware of his actions but also appreciates how the Commonwealth of Virginia is going to respond to them.  Cop killers might do worse in the Texas justice system than they do in Virginia, but not by much.

He'll be tried, convicted, run through his appeals, and then put to sleep like the dog that he is within six years.  That's light speed by any other state's metrics.
 
2013-03-08 10:36:23 PM

devildog123: I'm surprised this guy lived to make it to trial honestly.


He didn't yet.  He only shot the Master Trooper yesterday.  This was his preliminary hearing.

I won't be surprised if he makes it to trial.  He's going to be in solitary 23.5 hours a day at the Dinwiddie jail, and their Sheriff's office will likely handle him with kid gloves so as not to give him any extra grounds for appeal.  If you know he's going to get the needle, why bring informal justice into it and mess with that?
 
2013-03-08 11:21:09 PM

ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.


He's right though.  You don't get found not guilty of killing cops.  You get found guilty and executed.  Any defense, especially the truth, is ultimately futile because the trial won't be fair.
 
2013-03-08 11:36:00 PM

Warthog: devildog123: I'm surprised this guy lived to make it to trial honestly.

He didn't yet.  He only shot the Master Trooper yesterday.  This was his preliminary hearing.

I won't be surprised if he makes it to trial.  He's going to be in solitary 23.5 hours a day at the Dinwiddie jail, and their Sheriff's office will likely handle him with kid gloves so as not to give him any extra grounds for appeal.  If you know he's going to get the needle, why bring informal justice into it and mess with that?


Ok, let's put it this way, I'm surprised he made it to jail.  I would have expected that he'd be "shot while resisting arrest" after killing a state trooper.
 
2013-03-09 12:03:45 AM

devildog123: I'm surprised this guy lived to make it to trial honestly.


Same thing I was thinking

/great restraint must have been shown
 
2013-03-09 12:19:36 AM

ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.


Not necessarily. There have been cases where attorneys have used a suspect's unwillingness to appeal or participate in their defense as grounds for mental illness
 
2013-03-09 01:45:04 AM

devildog123: Warthog: devildog123: I'm surprised this guy lived to make it to trial honestly.

He didn't yet.  He only shot the Master Trooper yesterday.  This was his preliminary hearing.

I won't be surprised if he makes it to trial.  He's going to be in solitary 23.5 hours a day at the Dinwiddie jail, and their Sheriff's office will likely handle him with kid gloves so as not to give him any extra grounds for appeal.  If you know he's going to get the needle, why bring informal justice into it and mess with that?

Ok, let's put it this way, I'm surprised he made it to jail.  I would have expected that he'd be "shot while resisting arrest" after killing a state trooper.


Hey, Virginia isn't California. Dinwiddie didn't burn and random innocent people who in no way matched the description of the person they were looking for weren't shot at while police were looking for this guy.
 
2013-03-09 02:09:32 AM
He could plead guilty and get out of a death sentence.  Rotting in prison is preferable.  Going all Morgan Freeman would be a better outcome, though.
 
2013-03-09 03:28:38 AM

bluorangefyre: He could plead guilty and get out of a death sentence.  Rotting in prison is preferable.  Going all Morgan Freeman would be a better outcome, though.


Id rather get executed than spend the rest of my life in general population of PMITA prison.
 
2013-03-09 03:28:56 AM

ArkAngel: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

Not necessarily. There have been cases where attorneys have used a suspect's unwillingness to appeal or participate in their defense as grounds for mental illness


meh
of course he is mentally ill
he shot and killed someone
isnt that at least a bit insane?

either way, he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. danger to society and all.
/meh, dont really care either way
 
2013-03-09 03:35:53 AM
Don't you have a weight/BMI limit for cops?

No wonder the land whales use the tasers/guns awefully often.
 
2013-03-09 03:39:32 AM
Shame, 63 year old veteran of the force who was working on his last day till retirement. The last statement he made to his younger partner was reported to be "I'm getting to old for this shiat".

And judging from his picture, that last statement happened that morning at breakfast as he washed down his 6th or 7th doughnut.

Seriously, the guy looks to be about 300 pounds. Don't the police have minimum standards any more? Or as long as you can wedge your fat ass into the squad car good enough now?
 
2013-03-09 03:42:30 AM
But he did not shoot the deputy...
 
2013-03-09 03:43:23 AM

BigBooper: Shame, 63 year old veteran of the force who was working on his last day till retirement. The last statement he made to his younger partner was reported to be "I'm getting to old for this shiat".

And judging from his picture, that last statement happened that morning at breakfast as he washed down his 6th or 7th doughnut.

Seriously, the guy looks to be about 300 pounds. Don't the police have minimum standards any more? Or as long as you can wedge your fat ass into the squad car good enough now?


Most depts you have to meet standards to go to the academy but once out of the academy they dont have them anymore
 
2013-03-09 03:54:59 AM
He's right, though. You've got to hand him that, at least. If it had been a regular citizen, he'd have at least a puncher's chance at avoiding the injection.
 
2013-03-09 04:05:16 AM

Warthog: How you figure?  It demonstrates he's not only aware of his actions but also appreciates how the Commonwealth of Virginia is going to respond to them.  Cop killers might do worse in the Texas justice system than they do in Virginia, but not by much.


In this case the policeman was black and the suspect is white, or at least white-ish, or at least less black (results of GIS not conclusive). That's got to give some wiggle room, surely?
 
2013-03-09 04:15:55 AM

GAT_00: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

He's right though.  You don't get found not guilty of killing cops.  You get found guilty and executed.  Any defense, especially the truth, is ultimately futile because the trial won't be fair.


I reaaally dislike the justice system and what it has become, but with that said:

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2013-03-09 04:28:32 AM

GAT_00: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

He's right though.  You don't get found not guilty of killing cops.  You get found guilty and executed.  Any defense, especially the truth, is ultimately futile because the trial won't be fair.


Dude stopped being right after he shot the trooper. fark your trials, fair or otherwise. Let's see some farking dashcams.
 
2013-03-09 04:29:36 AM

bluorangefyre: He could plead guilty and get out of a death sentence.  Rotting in prison is preferable.  Going all Morgan Freeman would be a better outcome, though.


Assuming the prosecutor lets him plead.  If they don't offer a plea that takes the death penalty off the table, and he pleads to the indictment, he could still get the needle.
 
2013-03-09 04:31:16 AM

RabbitoGarcia: He's right, though. You've got to hand him that, at least.


That's the annoying part.
He's done for, and he knows it, but the result won't because of the justice system working as intended.
 
2013-03-09 04:42:14 AM

BigBooper: Shame, 63 year old veteran of the force who was working on his last day till retirement. The last statement he made to his younger partner was reported to be "I'm getting to old for this shiat".

And judging from his picture, that last statement happened that morning at breakfast as he washed down his 6th or 7th doughnut.

Seriously, the guy looks to be about 300 pounds. Don't the police have minimum standards any more? Or as long as you can wedge your fat ass into the squad car good enough now?


After 30+ years pushing on retirement, he has value above and beyond his physical condition. At age 63 he was not going to run anybody down even if he made standards. No, this guy was probably kept around as a mentor-type guy, the old man who's been around the block. Every organization has guys like that.
 
2013-03-09 04:48:29 AM
Well, he's right.  This is America, after all.
 
2013-03-09 04:51:56 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: BigBooper: Shame, 63 year old veteran of the force who was working on his last day till retirement. The last statement he made to his younger partner was reported to be "I'm getting to old for this shiat".

And judging from his picture, that last statement happened that morning at breakfast as he washed down his 6th or 7th doughnut.

Seriously, the guy looks to be about 300 pounds. Don't the police have minimum standards any more? Or as long as you can wedge your fat ass into the squad car good enough now?

After 30+ years pushing on retirement, he has value above and beyond his physical condition. At age 63 he was not going to run anybody down even if he made standards. No, this guy was probably kept around as a mentor-type guy, the old man who's been around the block. Every organization has guys like that.


Sure, that one guy who proves: "No matter how far I let myself go, the union will make sure they can't fire me."
He was a shining beacon to fat cops everywhere damnit! And this....MONSTER had to shoot him down like a dog.
 
2013-03-09 05:13:08 AM
Walker, 63, was patrolling in Dinwiddie County when he spotted a car on the side of Interstate 85 and pulled alongside it to check on the driver. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the driver opened fire on Walker, and it is believed that his foot hit the gas causing his car to lunge forward and run off the road into the woods. A passer-by called 911, and a trooper who responded saw a man standing beside Walker's car shooting into it.

I'm interested to know why anyone would think the defendant doesn't deserve to be charged with capital murder. Seriously. I mean, I know that cop hate is a given around here, but what's your best argument for letting this guy just walk?
 
2013-03-09 05:16:31 AM

orbister: Warthog: How you figure?  It demonstrates he's not only aware of his actions but also appreciates how the Commonwealth of Virginia is going to respond to them.  Cop killers might do worse in the Texas justice system than they do in Virginia, but not by much.

In this case the policeman was black and the suspect is white, or at least white-ish, or at least less black (results of GIS not conclusive). That's got to give some wiggle room, surely?


Not that it matters, it's black on black crime.

for all involved it sucks.  Sucks for the Troopers family, the community. Sucks for the defendants family and his kids. Seems there is some angle that the guy snapped at the prospects of a divorce issue, alimony and custody.  Supposedly, the suspect was trying to get to see his kids after having left divorce court.

still too few details but the defendant is correct.  No matter his mental state at the time, he'll be executed.
 
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2013-03-09 05:29:51 AM
well, let's get it on, mutherfarka!
 
2013-03-09 06:11:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: Walker, 63, was patrolling in Dinwiddie County when he spotted a car on the side of Interstate 85 and pulled alongside it to check on the driver. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the driver opened fire on Walker, and it is believed that his foot hit the gas causing his car to lunge forward and run off the road into the woods. A passer-by called 911, and a trooper who responded saw a man standing beside Walker's car shooting into it.

I'm interested to know why anyone would think the defendant doesn't deserve to be charged with capital murder. Seriously. I mean, I know that cop hate is a given around here, but what's your best argument for letting this guy just walk?


Because the cop was resisting a citizen arrest, so it was ok to shoot him? The defendant should get a paid vacation and his colleauges/friends should investigate this "murder"
 
2013-03-09 06:14:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: Walker, 63, was patrolling in Dinwiddie County when he spotted a car on the side of Interstate 85 and pulled alongside it to check on the driver. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the driver opened fire on Walker, and it is believed that his foot hit the gas causing his car to lunge forward and run off the road into the woods. A passer-by called 911, and a trooper who responded saw a man standing beside Walker's car shooting into it.

I'm interested to know why anyone would think the defendant doesn't deserve to be charged with capital murder. Seriously. I mean, I know that cop hate is a given around here, but what's your best argument for letting this guy just walk?


It's not that he doesn't deserve to be charged with murder, it's that if he had walked up and shot a grocery clerk in the face in broad daylight and killed them, he wouldn't be getting the needle, much less on such a fast track. I can understand making a difference between premeditation and a 'crime of passion', but people's punishments shouldn't be different based on the job of the person they killed.

Wanting everyone's death to count equally under the law isn't the same thing as wanting all criminals not to get punished. I think that's the frustration people have every time a crime that happens to a cop is treated as way more important than a crime that happens to anyone else.
 
2013-03-09 06:15:49 AM
So, from reading TFA, I gather he was a big dude?
 
2013-03-09 06:17:13 AM
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FTFA:
Walker, 63, was patrolling in Dinwiddie County when he spotted a car on the side of Interstate 85 and pulled alongside it to check on the driver. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the driver opened fire on Walker, and it is believed that his foot hit the gas causing his car to lunge forward and run off the road into the woods. A passer-by called 911, and a trooper who responded saw a man standing beside Walker's car shooting into it.

As the trooper fired at the suspect, he fled on foot into the woods. Officers found Brown hiding at a business about a half-mile away about 30minutes later.Sometime after the shooting, heat from Walker's car engine ignited brush and his car caught on fire, Geller said. Two trooperspulled him from the car, but he had suffered multiple gun shots and died at the scene.

/gotta wonder if he was thinner he might of:
1) made a smaller target
2) might have been able to get away
3) might have survived

//thinks America is too fat, going to hell
 
2013-03-09 06:18:50 AM
35 years as a patrolman is really pushing your luck.

You take your pension after 30 years, and make way for a younger guy.

/Fate doesn't like to be farked with.
 
2013-03-09 06:22:47 AM

BigBooper: Sure, that one guy who proves: "No matter how far I let myself go, the union will make sure they can't fire me."
He was a shining beacon to fat cops everywhere damnit! And this....MONSTER had to shoot him down like a dog.


So he deserved to die because he was fat?

FARK: Where human compassion and logic goes to die.
 
2013-03-09 06:29:33 AM
Because you get a fair trial first.
 
2013-03-09 06:33:14 AM

namatad: ArkAngel: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

Not necessarily. There have been cases where attorneys have used a suspect's unwillingness to appeal or participate in their defense as grounds for mental illness

meh
of course he is mentally ill
he shot and killed someone
isnt that at least a bit insane?

either way, he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. danger to society and all.
/meh, dont really care either way


No, you do not have to be crazy to kill someone. You would be surprised at how normal many convicted murderers actually are.
 
2013-03-09 06:34:31 AM

hardinparamedic: BigBooper: Sure, that one guy who proves: "No matter how far I let myself go, the union will make sure they can't fire me."
He was a shining beacon to fat cops everywhere damnit! And this....MONSTER had to shoot him down like a dog.

So he deserved to die because he was fat?

FARK: Where human compassion and logic goes to die.


No, no, fark is filled to the brim with good liberals. I have it on good authority that these are the people who are overflowing with the milk of human kindness. The rest of us are heartless cretins.

/they really believe that too.
 
2013-03-09 06:45:10 AM

devildog123: Warthog: devildog123: I'm surprised this guy lived to make it to trial honestly.

He didn't yet.  He only shot the Master Trooper yesterday.  This was his preliminary hearing.

I won't be surprised if he makes it to trial.  He's going to be in solitary 23.5 hours a day at the Dinwiddie jail, and their Sheriff's office will likely handle him with kid gloves so as not to give him any extra grounds for appeal.  If you know he's going to get the needle, why bring informal justice into it and mess with that?

Ok, let's put it this way, I'm surprised he made it to jail.  I would have expected that he'd be "shot while resisting arrest" after killing a state trooper.


Or have a cabin he was in set on fire.
 
2013-03-09 06:46:03 AM

LavenderWolf: namatad: ArkAngel: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

Not necessarily. There have been cases where attorneys have used a suspect's unwillingness to appeal or participate in their defense as grounds for mental illness

meh
of course he is mentally ill
he shot and killed someone
isnt that at least a bit insane?

either way, he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. danger to society and all.
/meh, dont really care either way

No, you do not have to be crazy to kill someone. You would be surprised at how normal many convicted murderers actually are.



I'm doing a practicum in a halfway house for parolee's right now...We take the murderers, the sex offenders, the rapists...the bad of the bad...and yeah, it's scary how "normal" they all come across...It freaks me out knowing how many monsters are just walking around down town that no one would ever suspect...
 
2013-03-09 06:50:58 AM

GAT_00: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

He's right though.  You don't get found not guilty of killing cops.  You get found guilty and executed.  Any defense, especially the truth, is ultimately futile because the trial won't be fair.


Not that most will care, but I'm curious as to what the circumstances of the killing were.  I'm against the death penalty in general so I can't condone it regardless of the guy's guilt or innocence (he seems pretty certainly guilty, but I don't see how the murder could possibly have been premeditated), but I'm especially against the victim's status as a cop automatically making it capital murder.  Giving cops, who have what seems to be essentially limitless leeway to assault citizens that kind of protection is not a recipe for justice.

Kill a cop in self defense = 99% chance of death sentence?  Not OK.
 
2013-03-09 06:55:20 AM

Gyrfalcon: Walker, 63, was patrolling in Dinwiddie County when he spotted a car on the side of Interstate 85 and pulled alongside it to check on the driver. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the driver opened fire on Walker, and it is believed that his foot hit the gas causing his car to lunge forward and run off the road into the woods. A passer-by called 911, and a trooper who responded saw a man standing beside Walker's car shooting into it.

I'm interested to know why anyone would think the defendant doesn't deserve to be charged with capital murder. Seriously. I mean, I know that cop hate is a given around here, but what's your best argument for letting this guy just walk?


Are you unaware that there's a fairly enormous gaping chasm between "death penalty" and "letting this guy just walk", or are you trolling?
 
2013-03-09 06:57:39 AM

Z-clipped: Not that most will care, but I'm curious as to what the circumstances of the killing were.  I'm against the death penalty in general so I can't condone it regardless of the guy's guilt or innocence (he seems pretty certainly guilty, but I don't see how the murder could possibly have been premeditated), but I'm especially against the victim's status as a cop automatically making it capital murder.  Giving cops, who have what seems to be essentially limitless leeway to assault citizens that kind of protection is not a recipe for justice.

Kill a cop in self defense = 99% chance of death sentence?  Not OK.


Not that you will most likely care, killing a cop or rescuer is considered a special circumstance murder in states which have the death penalty. Special circumstance murders don't require premeditation.

And in answer to your second question:  FTFAWalker, 63, was patrolling in Dinwiddie County when he spotted a car on the side of Interstate 85 and pulled alongside it to check on the driver. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the driver opened fire on Walker, and it is believed that his foot hit the gas causing his car to lunge forward and run off the road into the woods. A passer-by called 911, and a trooper who responded saw a man standing beside Walker's car shooting into it.

Yeah. Sounds like a  clear case of self defense.

/derp.
 
2013-03-09 07:03:53 AM

hardinparamedic: Not that you will most likely care, killing a cop or rescuer is considered a special circumstance murder in states which have the death penalty. Special circumstance murders don't require premeditation.


Yes, I'm aware that that's the case in some states.  I'm saying that it shouldn't be.

hardinparamedic: Yeah. Sounds like a  clear case of self defense.


I didn't say it was self-defense, numbnuts.  Can you read?  I said you can get the death penalty for killing a cop in self-defense.
 
2013-03-09 07:09:49 AM

hardinparamedic: BigBooper: Sure, that one guy who proves: "No matter how far I let myself go, the union will make sure they can't fire me."
He was a shining beacon to fat cops everywhere damnit! And this....MONSTER had to shoot him down like a dog.

So he deserved to die because he was fat?

FARK: Where human compassion and logic goes to die.


Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. In fact anyone with a BMI above that of a heroin addicted super model should be put to death.
 
2013-03-09 07:12:13 AM

Warthog: ajgeek: Well, that was a very effective way to make an insanity plea impossible.

How you figure?  It demonstrates he's not only aware of his actions but also appreciates how the Commonwealth of Virginia is going to respond to them.  Cop killers might do worse in the Texas justice system than they do in Virginia, but not by much.

He'll be tried, convicted, run through his appeals, and then put to sleep like the dog that he is within six years.  That's light speed by any other state's metrics.


Having pointed out that the court was gamed, the court will have to extra careful to prove otherwise.

Case could go either way at this point.  Either a 15 minute open and shut case of cop killer in a podunk court, or a long drawn out procedure in which every piece of evidence will be carefully picked through as it would become incumbent upon this court to prove that this were indeed a fair trial- expecially if it garnished media attention.  Remember: only one tiny little piece of evidence mishandled, mislabled, etc would be all it takes to cast doubt on the viability of this case.
 
2013-03-09 07:14:13 AM

ambercat: It's not that he doesn't deserve to be charged with murder, it's that if he had walked up and shot a grocery clerk in the face in broad daylight and killed them, he wouldn't be getting the needle, much less on such a fast track. I can understand making a difference between premeditation and a 'crime of passion', but people's punishments shouldn't be different based on the job of the person they killed.


It has always been the tradition in the UK that killing a police officer is seen by the courts as a particularly bad form of murder; nowadays you get a longer sentence and in the barbaric ages you were more likely to get a death penalty.

The argument, with which I agree, is that by killing a police officer (and remember that we have an almost wholly unarmed police force) you are attacking not just that individual, but a cornerstone of a civilised society. Likewise perjury is treated very seriously, even in minor cases (a senior politician here is about to go to gaol for persuading his wife to say she was driving when his car was photographed speeding), because perjury undermines not just one case but the entire legal system.

I'm wholly opposed to the death penalty under any circumstances, but that aside I'm quite happy with the idea that assaulting or killing a police officer should bring a particularly harsh punishment.
 
2013-03-09 07:14:39 AM
You know who else refused to defend himself knowing he would be executed?
 
2013-03-09 07:15:56 AM

toetag: for all involved it sucks.  Sucks for the Troopers family, the community. Sucks for the defendants family and his kids. Seems there is some angle that the guy snapped at the prospects of a divorce issue, alimony and custody.  Supposedly, the suspect was trying to get to see his kids after having left divorce court.


I always wonder, in such cases, what sort of mental processes can possibly lead to someone thinking that killing could an any possible way improve the situation.
 
2013-03-09 07:24:46 AM
I actually have no problem with cop murders being handled differently. Think about how we all view the killing of an officer - there is an inherent sense of 'whoa, someone just effed themselves on that one.' You need people to think twice before taking a shot at the people we expect to be the first ones on the scene every time.

I get that the rebuttal is that a lot of cops are dirty, whatever. That's not the point. We have to protect the good ones, no matter how few you think are out there.


Also, why has no one mentioned that this guy was 'getting too old for this shiat?'
 
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