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2013-03-08 06:21:02 PM  
Come on, Lilly Ledbetter passed! Over tons of objections from Republicans, but it still passed!

Perhaps the writers of the article don't like mandatory and medically unnecessary vaginal wand insertion before a medical procedure?

Or the fact the ERA still hasn't passed?
 
2013-03-08 06:30:21 PM  
Saudi Arabia?

/DNRTFA

ox45tallboy: Or the fact the ERA still hasn't passed?


I believe it was just reintroduced. Again.
 
2013-03-08 06:33:31 PM  
From Wiki :

On 2013 International Women's Day, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) draw attention to the plight of women in prison. All over the world, women and girls living behind bars often face particular hardship in terms of protection, privacy and access to basic services, including health care.

Women's prisons this year...

... Bow-chicka-bow-wow...

Okay, I'll celebrate Women's Day by watching Caged Heat tonight.
 
2013-03-08 06:36:28 PM  

dr_blasto: I believe it was just reintroduced. Again.


Come on, silly, everyone knows that women really just want more tax cuts for the rich which will increase labor demand, so they can get a second job and be successful.
 
2013-03-08 06:42:05 PM  

ox45tallboy: dr_blasto: I believe it was just reintroduced. Again.

Come on, silly, everyone knows that women really just want more tax cuts for the rich which will increase labor demand, so they can get a second job and be successful.


How are they supposed to cook dinner, have more kids and clean the house? Those tax cuts are so their husbands can get that second job. Traditional marriage is important.
 
2013-03-08 07:52:00 PM  
Lemme guess: ANY muslim country?

Clicks link.
Yup
 
2013-03-08 08:01:10 PM  
Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.
 
2013-03-08 08:11:38 PM  

sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.


Of course! It explains why she won't come visit me here in the US.
 
2013-03-08 08:17:03 PM  
Lichingstein?
 
2013-03-08 08:18:25 PM  

ox45tallboy: sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.

Of course! It explains why she won't come visit me here in the US.


Dude, Atlanta... the last good reason for any Canadian to go to Atlanta moved to Winnipeg...

/your charms notwithstanding.
 
2013-03-08 08:35:09 PM  

sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.


So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
shiat! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-
She's my girlfriend!
 
2013-03-08 08:39:31 PM  
Bophuthatswana?
 
2013-03-08 09:00:35 PM  
The vatican?
 
2013-03-08 10:34:40 PM  
Ooo, I know the answer to subby's question!  It's Afghanistan, isn't it?
 
2013-03-08 10:35:52 PM  
in before angry white male demanding an international men's day
 
2013-03-08 10:36:10 PM  
Lessee, the Nordic countries? Socialisty Nordic e-GAL-itarian commie nanny states?

*clicks*

Yup, plus New Zealand/Canada.

So. Bootstrappy freedoms got you broads down?
 
2013-03-08 10:37:16 PM  
P.S. But Marissa Mayer!

USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-03-08 10:39:27 PM  
Norway? Iceland? Sweden? Canada?

Aren't those places... cold?
 
2013-03-08 10:39:41 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.

So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
shiat! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-
She's my girlfriend!


Oddly, I have a girlfriend named Vancouver, that lives in Alberta... Don't tell my wife...
 
2013-03-08 10:39:55 PM  
Somalia?
 
2013-03-08 10:40:24 PM  

ox45tallboy: Or the fact the ERA still hasn't passed?


FIPs or WAR is a better stat, anyway.
 
2013-03-08 10:40:44 PM  
All women are the same and they all want the same thing! Good work Yahoo "Shine," whatever you are.
 
2013-03-08 10:43:20 PM  
The women in the countries listed appear to be highly motivated go getters that have made good lives for themselves.

Well done ladies!
 
2013-03-08 10:43:22 PM  
I can't comment on this issue.

The Mrs. gets REAL pissed.
 
2013-03-08 10:44:25 PM  
Why did this get greenlit... Like there are any women on fark...
 
2013-03-08 10:46:32 PM  
good for them broads.  those chicks are all right.  heres to womens careers

media.thehubsa.co.za
 
2013-03-08 10:47:10 PM  
They all want presents and a spa day it is valentines day for the fake femenists
 
2013-03-08 10:48:28 PM  
I've always had a thing for women, especially when they touch my wiener.
 
2013-03-08 10:51:35 PM  

ArkyBeagle: Norway? Iceland? Sweden? Canada?

Aren't those places... cold?


It's easy to look like you are respecting a woman when she is covered up behind a big coat, forcing you to make eye contact.

Wife lived in Iceland while a Navy brat, I can see why Icelandic women are seen as sex toys.  Iceland seemed to have made its influence on her.
 
2013-03-08 10:53:04 PM  
USA! USA! US oh, wait..
 
2013-03-08 10:53:39 PM  
I'm sexist but in a sort of positive way.  I cut women slack for the crazy since they shoulder the heavier sexual load.
 
2013-03-08 10:53:41 PM  
For a gender seemingly insistent on equality, women sure do expect others to pay a lot of bills for them.
 
2013-03-08 10:55:01 PM  

domenad: For a gender seemingly insistent on equality, women sure do expect others to pay a lot of bills for them.


They gobble knob...let it go.
 
2013-03-08 10:57:14 PM  

sno man: Lor M. Ipsum: sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.

So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
shiat! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-
She's my girlfriend!

Oddly, I have a girlfriend named Vancouver, that lives in Alberta... Don't tell my wife...


Regina? yeah shed be pissed...
 
2013-03-08 10:57:46 PM  
I can't let my Canadian girlfriend meet my American wife.  I'm not sure I'd survive the 2 of them at the same time

/snu-snu
 
2013-03-08 10:58:36 PM  

mikefinch: sno man: Lor M. Ipsum: sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.

So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
shiat! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-
She's my girlfriend!

Oddly, I have a girlfriend named Vancouver, that lives in Alberta... Don't tell my wife...

Regina? yeah shed be pissed...


How long do you think Yukon pull this off without getting caught?
 
2013-03-08 11:01:14 PM  

domenad: For a gender seemingly insistent on equality, women sure do expect others to pay a lot of bills for them.


And do you know what's super crazy?! They don't even have a majority in the Congress, they can just barely vote as of like yesterday, and not once, ever has there been a woman president! They are even still doing housework and taking care of their children in this backwards, retarded, stupid ass country! 

I just want a world where women are exactly like men in every single way. Every. Single. Way.
 
2013-03-08 11:02:03 PM  

sno man: Lor M. Ipsum: sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.

So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
shiat! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-
She's my girlfriend!

Oddly, I have a girlfriend named Vancouver, that lives in Alberta... Don't tell my wife...


Does she suck like a Hoover?
 
2013-03-08 11:02:05 PM  

SBinRR: mikefinch: sno man: Lor M. Ipsum: sno man: Your Canadian girlfriend approves of this list.

So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
shiat! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-
She's my girlfriend!

Oddly, I have a girlfriend named Vancouver, that lives in Alberta... Don't tell my wife...

Regina? yeah shed be pissed...

How long do you think Yukon pull this off without getting caught?


Don't worry - I don't think he'll ever get past her Northern Territories.
 
2013-03-08 11:02:34 PM  
The Guess Who DID make the list subby
 
2013-03-08 11:02:50 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Lichingstein?


You have been found wanting
 
2013-03-08 11:06:45 PM  
FTFA:

4. Canada
In Canada, a third of the federally appointed judges are female, and women make up 25 percent of parliament. Depending on how long they've been employed, new moms can take anywhere from 17 to 52 weeks of maternity leave without losing their job or getting a pay cut. A third of the country's ministers are women, and women make up 25 percent of parliament. Universal health care and easy access to education help make Canada once of the best countries for women.


Know how I know a woman wrote this article?

/I know the author's name gives it away, but
//yap yap yap yap yap
 
2013-03-08 11:07:46 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Lemme guess: ANY muslim country?

Clicks link.
Yup


America isn't on the list either. Maybe the US and Muslim countries aren't really all that different.
 
2013-03-08 11:08:22 PM  

Larry Mahnken: ox45tallboy: Or the fact the ERA still hasn't passed?

FIPs or WAR is a better stat, anyway.


WAR sucks,
 
2013-03-08 11:08:24 PM  
I'd guess every country except for the five that did.

Now, to guess the five that did.  I'm thinking progressive societies, with high GINI coefficient.  Scandinavia?

And maybe Canada.

*checks list*

Shocking.

/Kiwis are decent people, too.
 
2013-03-08 11:10:53 PM  

Abox: I'm sexist but in a sort of positive way.  I cut women slack for the crazy since they shoulder the heavier sexual load.


Heavier? Is that a fat joke? DO YOU THINK IM FAT?!? (sob)
 
2013-03-08 11:11:30 PM  
Clicks link.
Yup

America isn't on the list either. Maybe the US and Muslim countries aren't really all that different.


...Not with all those damned Republicans.
 
2013-03-08 11:11:48 PM  
By Lylah M. Alphonse, Senior Editor, Yahoo! Shine

Lylah should stick with what she knows: http://shine.yahoo.com/blogs/author/lylah-m-alphonse-senior-editor-ya h oo-shine-ycn-1137221/  Senior Editor at Yahoo! Bwahahhahaha
 
2013-03-08 11:13:21 PM  
Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.
 
2013-03-08 11:13:51 PM  
Ramitinherpoopchuteistan?
 
2013-03-08 11:15:49 PM  

A Terrible Human: America isn't on the list either. Maybe the US and Muslim countries aren't really all that different.


What do you mean, controlled by idealistic religious fundamentalist nutjobs intent on oppressing and controlling women based on the writings of some guys from thousands of years ago?

I don't see any resemblance at all.
 
2013-03-08 11:18:01 PM  

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.


Don't get your panties in a wad, Siegfried.
 
2013-03-08 11:20:10 PM  

ox45tallboy: Or the fact the ERA still hasn't passed?


Are you saying that women aren't citizens of the United States and therefore not already covered under the 14th amendment?
 
2013-03-08 11:21:29 PM  

ox45tallboy: Don't get your panties in a wad, Siegfried.


Show me where I'm wrong.
 
2013-03-08 11:22:04 PM  

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.


So that's BS.  Sweden has just about as many people as the largest US county, Los Angeles.  Sweden and Norway and New Zealand would all be third behind LA and Cook Illinois.  Even if you used Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Sweden would be 3rd and Norway and New Zealand in the top 11.
 
2013-03-08 11:23:14 PM  
FTA: and, in spite of the focus on equal rights, when it comes to housework women there still handle the bulk of it

And so what?  The idea that housework needs to be split equally just doesn't make sense.  Or, rather, it only makes sense in a specific situation - where both people work equal hours, and do equal amount of secondary work (ie, yard work, etc) as well.  But that rarely happens.
 
2013-03-08 11:23:47 PM  

ox45tallboy: A Terrible Human: America isn't on the list either. Maybe the US and Muslim countries aren't really all that different.

What do you mean, controlled by idealistic religious fundamentalist nutjobs intent on oppressing and controlling women based on the writings of some guys from thousands of years ago?

I don't see any resemblance at all.


Nor Israel. I sense an astral connection forming.
 
2013-03-08 11:24:05 PM  

thisiszombocom: good for them broads.  those chicks are all right.  heres to womens careers

[media.thehubsa.co.za image 768x819]


she'd look way hotter with a Javelin

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-08 11:26:31 PM  

SBinRR: The women in the countries listed appear to be highly motivated go getters that have made good lives for themselves.

Well done ladies!


I bet you get laid alot
 
2013-03-08 11:27:23 PM  
Sorry I was just picturing Whore Island.


obscure?
 
2013-03-08 11:27:41 PM  

Lucidz: Why did this get greenlit... Like there are any women on fark...


I bet you don't
 
2013-03-08 11:27:56 PM  

xanadian: Are you saying that women aren't citizens of the United States and therefore not already covered under the 14th amendment?


The 14th is "Equal Protection". ERA is "Equal Rights".
 
2013-03-08 11:28:16 PM  
I'll give Canada credit, but the other four coontries on the list frankly don't matter. You need to compare the top-tier nations to each other.  How does the US stack up against China, Japan, Russia, England, Germany, India, Australia, etc?  No one cares if  nation with the same size population as Rhode Island wins populist paradise of the year.
 
2013-03-08 11:28:46 PM  

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.


Those women in parliament were voted into office, not because of some social experiment. I assume you're supportive of free elections.
 
2013-03-08 11:30:27 PM  
let me guess, the "men" in those countries are pussies...

clicks..

yup
 
2013-03-08 11:30:52 PM  

Abox: I'm sexist but in a sort of positive way.  I cut women slack for the crazy since they shoulder the heavier sexual load.


I bet you have a blow up doll and call her Zelda
 
2013-03-08 11:30:54 PM  
Women are just as capable of evil, incompetence, and poor decision making as men.
 
2013-03-08 11:33:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: Show me where I'm wrong.


Okay, I'll bold the part below where you're wrong to make it easier for you to see.

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.

 
2013-03-08 11:35:09 PM  

12349876: Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

So that's BS.  Sweden has just about as many people as the largest US county, Los Angeles.  Sweden and Norway and New Zealand would all be third behind LA and Cook Illinois.  Even if you used Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Sweden would be 3rd and Norway and New Zealand in the top 11.


So, you agree with me...thanks. (Hint: don't be such a literalist. I'm trying to make the point that what is achievable in tiny countries doesn't necessarily translate to larger societies, no matter their willingness to engage on the issue. Being CEO of a company in Norway is like being chair of the local board of education in the US...a good place to start earning one's bona fides, but hardly world news.)
 
2013-03-08 11:35:22 PM  

HotWingAgenda: I'll give Canada credit, but the other four coontries on the list frankly don't matter. You need to compare the top-tier nations to each other.  How does the US stack up against China, Japan, Russia, England, Germany, India, Australia, etc?  No one cares if  nation with the same size population as Rhode Island wins populist paradise of the year.


The people living there do.

Doesn't it make sense to look at the ways tons of different people do things in order to learn more about what works and what doesn't?

Are you saying that the US is too big to treat women better?
 
2013-03-08 11:36:03 PM  
I fixed the headline

"The five best countries to live in if you are a white woman. "
 
2013-03-08 11:37:12 PM  

Pivot: I bet you have a blow up doll and call her Zelda


Hey! What's wrong with that?

/and it's Zeldy for short. Okay, it's not shorter, it's more of an affectionate nickname. Like Bruce.
 
2013-03-08 11:37:13 PM  

ox45tallboy: Stone Meadow: Show me where I'm wrong.

Okay, I'll bold the part below where you're wrong to make it easier for you to see.

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.


Hey...seriously, I LOL'd. Now get real.
 
2013-03-08 11:37:36 PM  
Americas influence in the world makes it possible for those 5 countries to be who they are.

/no thanks required
 
2013-03-08 11:38:06 PM  
Uzbekibekibekistan?

Whatever. We still have the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world. USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-03-08 11:38:48 PM  

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

More telling is that in every one of those countries "successful women" are figure heads. They earn less than men, spend more time on domestic chores than men, and in general their success is the result of social experiments, not actual achievement.

IOW, TFA is bullshiat.


Everyone female on that list is a figurehead? I have no words for your ignorance or small dick syndrome
 
2013-03-08 11:42:03 PM  

thisiszombocom: in before angry white male demanding an international men's day


Why would white males be angry about this? The study asserts the best places for women to live is a country run by white males with a a large, homogenous white population.
 
2013-03-08 11:43:19 PM  

mrlewish: I fixed the headline

"The five best countries to live in if you are a white woman. "


Also, Dude, white is not the preferred nomenclature. Caucasian-American, please.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-08 11:43:24 PM  

Stone Meadow: So, you agree with me...thanks. (Hint: don't be such a literalist. I'm trying to make the point that what is achievable in tiny countries doesn't necessarily translate to larger societies, no matter their willingness to engage on the issue. Being CEO of a company in Norway is like being chair of the local board of education in the US...a good place to start earning one's bona fides, but hardly world news.)


You said decent, top 10 isn't decent in my book. Just keep spewing shiat without the research.  I'm sure you think that 27 billion euros of revenue is local school board change (Hint: that's what the CEO of IKEA in Sweden deals with)
 
2013-03-08 11:43:25 PM  

ox45tallboy: HotWingAgenda: I'll give Canada credit, but the other four coontries on the list frankly don't matter. You need to compare the top-tier nations to each other.  How does the US stack up against China, Japan, Russia, England, Germany, India, Australia, etc?  No one cares if  nation with the same size population as Rhode Island wins populist paradise of the year.

The people living there do.

Doesn't it make sense to look at the ways tons of different people do things in order to learn more about what works and what doesn't?

Are you saying that the US is too big to treat women better?


I'm saying scale and proportionality matters.  You have to compare apples to apples.  There are many nations where a female Prime Minister  would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.
 
2013-03-08 11:44:35 PM  

Stone Meadow: Hey...seriously, I LOL'd. Now get real.


Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.

The fact that you refer to the democratically elected head of a state of a country as a "figurehead" is ridiculous. Do you really believe there is really some man behind her, pulling the strings? Does this stem from your belief that women are incapable of performing the job of head of state, or that you believe that just the particular women described in the article are incapable, but others might be?

What is so bad about a "social experiment"? Isn't that what they called the US Constitution when it first came into being?

You know what they call a "social experiment" that works?

A country.

And finally your opinion that TFA is bullsh*t. Well, since you're so obviously wrong about everything you've said so far, I'd say your rationale for for your opinion is nonexistent.

I wasn't joking, I really did bold the parts where you are wrong.
 
2013-03-08 11:44:56 PM  

Pivot: Everyone female on that list is a figurehead? I have no words for your ignorance or small dick syndrome


Don't tell me you're that stupid...nobody hangs out on Fark on a Friday night that's that stupid.
 
2013-03-08 11:46:15 PM  

mrlewish: I fixed the headline

"The five best countries to live in if you are a white woman. "


The 30 per cent of women in New Zealand who are not white might like to have a word with you, cuzzie bro.
 
2013-03-08 11:47:21 PM  
OK sorry but what does having a large population have to do with all the backward laws they invent just to try to make abortions more difficult to obtain?

Also come on people are still really sexist so fark off. You guys are actually joking which doesn't bother me. And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.
 
2013-03-08 11:48:03 PM  

HotWingAgenda: I'm saying scale and proportionality matters. You have to compare apples to apples. There are many nations where a female Prime Minister would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.


So the US is simply too big and/or too influential to treat women better. Once you hit a certain population, or a certain GDP, or a certain influence in the world, you just simply have to start treating women worse than men, otherwise your society collapses.

Got it.

You are a silly poster and you bring a silly argument to this discussion.
 
2013-03-08 11:52:13 PM  

ox45tallboy: Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.


Want to try again? Iceland's population is 320,000...wouldn't even come close to the top 100 counties in the US...maybe not the top 1000.

As for Sweden...might make the top 5.

My point stands.
 
2013-03-08 11:52:22 PM  

ox45tallboy: Stone Meadow: Hey...seriously, I LOL'd. Now get real.

Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.

The fact that you refer to the democratically elected head of a state of a country as a "figurehead" is ridiculous. Do you really believe there is really some man behind her, pulling the strings? Does this stem from your belief that women are incapable of performing the job of head of state, or that you believe that just the particular women described in the article are incapable, but others might be?

What is so bad about a "social experiment"? Isn't that what they called the US Constitution when it first came into being?

You know what they call a "social experiment" that works?

A country.

And finally your opinion that TFA is bullsh*t. Well, since you're so obviously wrong about everything you've said so far, I'd say your rationale for for your opinion is nonexistent.

I wasn't joking, I really did bold the parts where you are wrong.


Ok oxie, I may have misread or misinterpreted the post I replied to earlier

// you go Bruce

XO
 
2013-03-08 11:52:36 PM  
I've been to all those countries, and they do not have better sandwiches.
 
2013-03-08 11:53:15 PM  

spidermilk: Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.


Oh my God, my period!
 
2013-03-08 11:54:15 PM  

12349876: Stone Meadow: So, you agree with me...thanks. (Hint: don't be such a literalist. I'm trying to make the point that what is achievable in tiny countries doesn't necessarily translate to larger societies, no matter their willingness to engage on the issue. Being CEO of a company in Norway is like being chair of the local board of education in the US...a good place to start earning one's bona fides, but hardly world news.)

You said decent, top 10 isn't decent in my book. Just keep spewing shiat without the research.  I'm sure you think that 27 billion euros of revenue is local school board change (Hint: that's what the CEO of IKEA in Sweden deals with)


That is two weeks revenue for Walmart.
 
2013-03-08 11:58:13 PM  

Stone Meadow: Want to try again? Iceland's population is 320,000...wouldn't even come close to the top 100 counties in the US...maybe not the top 1000.

As for Sweden...might make the top 5.

My point stands.


this, i.e. I thought that was wrong
 
2013-03-08 11:59:45 PM  
Coincidentally, also the 5 countries where you are most likely to be falsely accused of rape.
 
2013-03-09 12:04:38 AM  

Stone Meadow: ox45tallboy: Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.

Want to try again? Iceland's population is 320,000...wouldn't even come close to the top 100 counties in the US...maybe not the top 1000.

As for Sweden...might make the top 5.

My point stands.


No, it doesn't. And it's borderline retarded. And your vehement defense of it makes you seem like an asshole.
 
2013-03-09 12:05:16 AM  

Stone Meadow: ox45tallboy: Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.

Want to try again? Iceland's population is 320,000...wouldn't even come close to the top 100 counties in the US...maybe not the top 1000.

As for Sweden...might make the top 5.

My point stands.


Ha.

You're right about Iceland being roughly 320,000.

Other than that:

Norway - 5,000,000
Iceland - 320,000
Sweden - 9,500,000
Canada - 34,500,00
New Zealand - 4,400,000

Most populous counties in the US:

Los Angeles - 9,800,000
Cook Co. IL (Chicago) - 5,200,000
Harris County TX (Houston) - 4,100,000

And it goes down from there. Although I was wrong about the population of two of the countries, you are far more wrong when you say

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US.


Keep in mind that four out of the five countries have higher populations than the third largest county in the US, so unless you want to try and weasel out by saying "well, by decent-sized I only meant the top 2 out of the 3,143 in the United States."

Your point is wrong, and you are a silly poster for having said such a silly thing.
 
2013-03-09 12:06:51 AM  
Things that need to be organized:

Straight Pride Parade
White History Month
International Mens Day
The opposite of maternity leave for men who don't have children.  Every few years, men and women who don't have babies get a party at work where everyone buys stuff that he registers for, like beer and beef jerky, they give him a party and six weeks paid vacation.
 
2013-03-09 12:07:30 AM  
Maybe I am am my period but men like stoner meadow (oh sorry did I get that wrong?) make me almost weep for North America, we can't even agree that we are equal (even tho I have a vagina and a Canadian passport). No wonder the Terrorists are making an impact, even we don't like each other
 
2013-03-09 12:09:33 AM  

Great Janitor: Things that need to be organized:

Straight Pride Parade
White History Month
International Mens Day
The opposite of maternity leave for men who don't have children.  Every few years, men and women who don't have babies get a party at work where everyone buys stuff that he registers for, like beer and beef jerky, they give him a party and six weeks paid vacation.


And of course on 14 March we must celebrate (NSFW): http://www.steakandbj.org/
 
2013-03-09 12:12:37 AM  

HotWingAgenda: ox45tallboy: HotWingAgenda: I'll give Canada credit, but the other four coontries on the list frankly don't matter. You need to compare the top-tier nations to each other.  How does the US stack up against China, Japan, Russia, England, Germany, India, Australia, etc?  No one cares if  nation with the same size population as Rhode Island wins populist paradise of the year.

The people living there do.

Doesn't it make sense to look at the ways tons of different people do things in order to learn more about what works and what doesn't?

Are you saying that the US is too big to treat women better?

I'm saying scale and proportionality matters.  You have to compare apples to apples.  There are many nations where a female Prime Minister  would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.



Fine, let's look at Australia then, the 12th ranked economy in the world by GDP and which could easily be compared to New Zealand and Canada on many of these metrics. We rank up there with NZ and Canada on the Economist's glass ceiling index. Our maternity leave provisions probably let us down and our proportion of female elected representatives is not the greatest, but we do have a female prime minister who is not a figurehead in any way. (That's the Queen. Har har.)

We outrank the US on many of these measures. But then, we only have a population of 22 million, less than the population of California or Texas, so we aren't important, amirite?
 
2013-03-09 12:15:08 AM  

halfof33: let me guess, the "men" in those countries are pussies...

clicks..

yup


4 countries full of descendants of badass seafarers with warrior cultures (Maori, Viking).  Yeah, you should be so fortunate to hold one of their manpurses.

spidermilk: OK sorry but what does having a large population have to do with all the backward laws they invent just to try to make abortions more difficult to obtain?

Also come on people are still really sexist so fark off. You guys are actually joking which doesn't bother me. And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.


This. Our cultural attitudes need some serious recalibration.  The more people try, the harder and more shrill the backlash.
 
2013-03-09 12:16:05 AM  

halfof33: 12349876: Stone Meadow: So, you agree with me...thanks. (Hint: don't be such a literalist. I'm trying to make the point that what is achievable in tiny countries doesn't necessarily translate to larger societies, no matter their willingness to engage on the issue. Being CEO of a company in Norway is like being chair of the local board of education in the US...a good place to start earning one's bona fides, but hardly world news.)

You said decent, top 10 isn't decent in my book. Just keep spewing shiat without the research.  I'm sure you think that 27 billion euros of revenue is local school board change (Hint: that's what the CEO of IKEA in Sweden deals with)

That is two weeks revenue for Walmart.


Man you love your bullshiat don't you?

27 billion euros = 35 billion dollars

35 billion dollars into Wal Marts 447 billion = 7.8%

7.8% of a year = 28 days

28 days > 2 weeks
 
2013-03-09 12:16:09 AM  
NZ's such a good place to live that huge numbers of Kiwis move over here to Australia.
 
2013-03-09 12:19:37 AM  
Okay, this article complains that the US is too anti-abortion and that that harms women's rights?  Yeah, sure, which is why countries like China, which tend to abort females at a much higher rate than males, are so women friendly, right?
 
2013-03-09 12:21:49 AM  

rkiller1: And of course on 14 March we must celebrate


Why have that on Pi Day?

I mean, guys like steaks and bjs and pie, can't we just have pie on a separate day so that we don't get overwhelmed?
 
2013-03-09 12:24:41 AM  

06Wahoo: Okay, this article complains that the US is too anti-abortion and that that harms women's rights?  Yeah, sure, which is why countries like China, which tend to abort females at a much higher rate than males, are so women friendly, right?


Many would consider the one child policy to be very anti-woman, and not just because so many families choose to abort by gender.
 
2013-03-09 12:26:34 AM  

06Wahoo: Okay, this article complains that the US is too anti-abortion and that that harms women's rights?  Yeah, sure, which is why countries like China, which tend to abort females at a much higher rate than males, are so women friendly, right?


The article doesn't say that. China doesn't make the list either. The article is based on the Economist's glass ceiling index, along with other some other measurements that it fails to reveal, and lists the five best countries to live in if you are female.

China ranks well below the US on the glass ceiling index, but there are also more than five countries higher than the US.
 
2013-03-09 12:26:49 AM  

Great Janitor: Things that need to be organized:

Straight Pride Parade -

only if they are as fun as the gay ones.  Most likely, it will be people like Pat Robertson's clan marching, and they're no fun.  Unless you are talking Mardi Gras, which already exists.
White History Month - why not have each month dedicated to the contributions of different cultures on the modern world?  Have an Eastern European month, a Western European month, a China month, a Middle East month, a Northern Africa month.  America can use some education on other cultures.
International Mens Day - why not?
The opposite of maternity leave for men who don't have children.  Every few years, men and women who don't have babies get a party at work where everyone buys stuff that he registers for, like beer and beef jerky, they give him a party and six weeks paid vacation. - I'm a single, non-parent female, can I still participate?

I'm down with all that.
 
2013-03-09 12:29:59 AM  

06Wahoo: Okay, this article complains that the US is too anti-abortion and that that harms women's rights?  Yeah, sure, which is why countries like China, which tend to abort females at a much higher rate than males, are so women friendly, right?


I'm getting the runaround trying to find this exact study, but something similar has USA at 22, China at 69 so I would say NO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Gender_Gap_Report
 
2013-03-09 12:31:07 AM  

06Wahoo: Okay, this article complains that the US is too anti-abortion and that that harms women's rights?  Yeah, sure, which is why countries like China, which tend to abort females at a much higher rate than males, are so women friendly, right?


Well played, I see the camel's nose under the tent on that one.
 
2013-03-09 12:31:38 AM  

lyndsayj: NZ's such a good place to live that huge numbers of Kiwis move over here to Australia.


I'm sure few of them are living in farking Tamworth.
 
2013-03-09 12:32:13 AM  
What's 'a problem, ladies? We only rape you because we love you.

At least we care enough to beat you too.
 
2013-03-09 12:33:00 AM  
Anyone bother to mention RAPE statistics are up 500% in Sweden? That 1 in 4 women will be raped?

Great place to nominate there, Lou.

The number of reported rapes in Sweden is by far the highest in the European Union

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/8231   http://www.thelocal.se/12468/20080616/   http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=3126
 
2013-03-09 12:33:39 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: Great Janitor: Things that need to be organized:

Straight Pride Parade - only if they are as fun as the gay ones.  Most likely, it will be people like Pat Robertson's clan marching, and they're no fun.  Unless you are talking Mardi Gras, which already exists.

If it's just christians preaching, I want nothing to do with it.  A Mardi Gras style parade is a great idea.  Do it in May when the weather is warm.

White History Month - why not have each month dedicated to the contributions of different cultures on the modern world?  Have an Eastern European month, a Western European month, a China month, a Middle East month, a Northern Africa month.  America can use some education on other cultures.
International Mens Day - why not?

I really can't argue with that since the point of White History Month is that there isn't one and if we truly want equality, then it should be recognized, along with the other cultures.

The opposite of maternity leave for men who don't have children.  Every few years, men and women who don't have babies get a party at work where everyone buys stuff that he registers for, like beer and beef jerky, they give him a party and six weeks paid vacation. - I'm a single, non-parent female, can I still participate?

Yes. Basically, non-parents.  

I'm down with all that.
 
2013-03-09 12:34:14 AM  

lyndsayj: NZ's such a good place to live that huge numbers of Kiwis move over here to Australia.


Some kiwis prefer the difference that Australia provides. You're our closest neighbour, the larger of the two countries, and moving there is easy, so of course it's the most likely destination for those that want something different. Most kiwis stay happy at home, I'm not sure what your point is.
 
2013-03-09 12:35:35 AM  

lyndsayj: NZ's such a good place to live that huge numbers of Kiwis move over here to Australia.


And vice versa

Both nations are immigrant nations
 
2013-03-09 12:36:57 AM  

sleeper2995: Sorry I was just picturing Whore Island.


The Isle of Man is like Whore Island...for women.
 
2013-03-09 12:44:14 AM  

steerforth: HotWingAgenda: ox45tallboy: HotWingAgenda: I'll give Canada credit, but the other four coontries on the list frankly don't matter. You need to compare the top-tier nations to each other.  How does the US stack up against China, Japan, Russia, England, Germany, India, Australia, etc?  No one cares if  nation with the same size population as Rhode Island wins populist paradise of the year.

The people living there do.

Doesn't it make sense to look at the ways tons of different people do things in order to learn more about what works and what doesn't?

Are you saying that the US is too big to treat women better?

I'm saying scale and proportionality matters.  You have to compare apples to apples.  There are many nations where a female Prime Minister  would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.


Fine, let's look at Australia then, the 12th ranked economy in the world by GDP and which could easily be compared to New Zealand and Canada on many of these metrics. We rank up there with NZ and Canada on the Economist's glass ceiling index. Our maternity leave provisions probably let us down and our proportion of female elected representatives is not the greatest, but we do have a female prime minister who is not a figurehead in any way. (That's the Queen. Har har.)

We outrank the US on many of these measures. But then, we only have a population of 22 million, less than the population of California or Texas, so we aren't important, amirite?


Did you intentionally ignore my initial comment where I said the US should be compared to Australia because they are in the same general class?  There is a massive geopolitical gulf between the US and a nation like Iceland or New Zealand.  But the US and Australia, while not particularly close in many metrics, are at least similar, and enable a more reasonable comparison.
 
2013-03-09 12:44:59 AM  
Cue the welcome to dark jpeg. I once loved this site and enjoyed the varying opinions on different topics, in fact many news items would send me off in search of more info. I have found opinions that made me see the other side of the fence and at least made me acknowledge another viewpoint. the last couple years is not the fark I grew to love. I am also aware that sites take on a personality which most reflects and mimics it's most popular participants. This is not who I am nor for the most part is it anyone I want to know. To my fark friends who I had the fun of meeting, you have my number and addy, to the others who are my net buds, keep in touch. For people like stupid meadow....oh I mean stone meadow, bend over and suck your own dumbstick because I'm pretty sure it is either only you or your dog that will get it done. I do hope that this hits the site at least for a few minutes before it gets deleted and I get banned, in the few years here I did have some laughs and I will miss caturday
 
2013-03-09 12:47:20 AM  

HotWingAgenda: steerforth: HotWingAgenda: ox45tallboy: HotWingAgenda: I'll give Canada credit, but the other four coontries on the list frankly don't matter. You need to compare the top-tier nations to each other.  How does the US stack up against China, Japan, Russia, England, Germany, India, Australia, etc?  No one cares if  nation with the same size population as Rhode Island wins populist paradise of the year.

The people living there do.

Doesn't it make sense to look at the ways tons of different people do things in order to learn more about what works and what doesn't?

Are you saying that the US is too big to treat women better?

I'm saying scale and proportionality matters.  You have to compare apples to apples.  There are many nations where a female Prime Minister  would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.


Fine, let's look at Australia then, the 12th ranked economy in the world by GDP and which could easily be compared to New Zealand and Canada on many of these metrics. We rank up there with NZ and Canada on the Economist's glass ceiling index. Our maternity leave provisions probably let us down and our proportion of female elected representatives is not the greatest, but we do have a female prime minister who is not a figurehead in any way. (That's the Queen. Har har.)

We outrank the US on many of these measures. But then, we only have a population of 22 million, less than the population of California or Texas, so we aren't important, amirite?

Did you intentionally ignore my initial comment where I said the US should be compared to Australia because they are in the same general class?  There is a massive geopolitical gulf between the US and a nation like Iceland or New Zealand.  But the US and Australia, while not particularly close in many metrics, are at least similar, and enable a more reasonable comparison.


Yeah, and Australia still outranks the US on the index, as does Canada. Not very bootstrappy of you.
 
2013-03-09 12:51:59 AM  
I love how they bag on the US for abortion laws passed but yet Sweden, which is in their top 5, has more restrictions on abortion than any state in the US (basically illegal except in the case of rape, incest, or medical necessity which is where some of our states are trying to take it but afaik haven't yet succeeded). Norway is basically in line with the majority of the US in that it's available during the first trimester, and somewhat during the first half of the second and only in extreme cases after that. Finland falls in the middle of those two and is perhaps most comparable to a purple state like Ohio where they're legal but require some hoops to jump through.
 
2013-03-09 12:55:20 AM  

Pivot: Cue the welcome to dark jpeg. I once loved this site and enjoyed the varying opinions on different topics, in fact many news items would send me off in search of more info. I have found opinions that made me see the other side of the fence and at least made me acknowledge another viewpoint. the last couple years is not the fark I grew to love. I am also aware that sites take on a personality which most reflects and mimics it's most popular participants. This is not who I am nor for the most part is it anyone I want to know. To my fark friends who I had the fun of meeting, you have my number and addy, to the others who are my net buds, keep in touch. For people like stupid meadow....oh I mean stone meadow, bend over and suck your own dumbstick because I'm pretty sure it is either only you or your dog that will get it done. I do hope that this hits the site at least for a few minutes before it gets deleted and I get banned, in the few years here I did have some laughs and I will miss caturday


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-09 12:56:01 AM  

ox45tallboy: rkiller1: And of course on 14 March we must celebrate

Why have that on Pi Day?

I mean, guys like steaks and bjs and pie, can't we just have pie on a separate day so that we don't get overwhelmed?


Exactly what kind of pie are we munching on?  I prefer cherry.  (Valentines Day + one month = March 14th)
 
2013-03-09 12:57:31 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-09 01:03:41 AM  

Lucidz: Why did this get greenlit... Like there are any women on fark...


Damn straight there is!
 
2013-03-09 01:05:02 AM  

robodog: I love how they bag on the US for abortion laws passed but yet Sweden, which is in their top 5, has more restrictions on abortion than any state in the US (basically illegal except in the case of rape, incest, or medical necessity which is where some of our states are trying to take it but afaik haven't yet succeeded). Norway is basically in line with the majority of the US in that it's available during the first trimester, and somewhat during the first half of the second and only in extreme cases after that. Finland falls in the middle of those two and is perhaps most comparable to a purple state like Ohio where they're legal but require some hoops to jump through.


Citation? My understanding is there is no restriction on abortion at all up until the 18th week, and restrictions only set in after the fetus is viable (22 weeks), which is quite normal in Europe. Those restrictions may be overcome quite easily.  http://www.pewforum.org/Abortion/Abortion-Laws-Around-the-World.aspx
 
2013-03-09 01:05:43 AM  
I'm going to guess countries dominated by Catholics, Evangelicals, shiates and other meddlesome religions didn't make the list.  So the USA, Ireland and Saudi Arabia.
 
2013-03-09 01:09:53 AM  
Just imagine how rich and powerful Oprah would be if she wasn't at such a disadvantage...
 
2013-03-09 01:16:08 AM  

steerforth: I'm saying scale and proportionality matters. You have to compare apples to apples. There are many nations where a female Prime Minister would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.


Fine, let's look at Australia then, the 12th ranked economy in the world by GDP and which could easily be compared to New Zealand and Canada on many of these metrics. We rank up there with NZ and Canada on the Economist's glass ceiling index. Our maternity leave provisions probably let us down and our proportion of female elected representatives is not the greatest, but we do have a female prime minister who is not a figurehead in any way. (That's the Queen. Har har.)

We outrank the US on many of these measures. But then, we only have a population of 22 million, less than the population of California or Texas, so we aren't important, amirite?

Did you intentionally ignore my initial comment where I said the US should be compared to Australia because they are in the same general class? There is a massive geopolitical gulf between the US and a nation like Iceland or New Zealand. But the US and Australia, while not particularly close in many metrics, are at least similar, and enable a more reasonable comparison.

Yeah, and Australia still outranks the US on the index, as does Canada. Not very bootstrappy of you.


Not sure what you mean by "bootstrappy", but I wouldn't be surprised if Canada and Australia both ranked above the US on a statistically accurate index.  The problem is that this particular index is not accurate, because it claims to compare wildly dissimilar nations.  It's like comparing quality of life for the lowest/lowest employee at a 10 person company in someone's garage and no overhead, to quality of life for the lowest/highest employee at a 30,000 person Fortune 500 company.  You have to compare records within the same data set, not across different data sets.
 
2013-03-09 01:18:22 AM  

ox45tallboy: Pivot: I bet you have a blow up doll and call her Zelda

Hey! What's wrong with that?

/and it's Zeldy for short. Okay, it's not shorter, it's more of an affectionate nickname. Like Bruce.


Are you Australian?
 
2013-03-09 01:19:26 AM  
So why is giving crazy more rights a good thing?
 
2013-03-09 01:20:17 AM  

kittiekat21: Lucidz: Why did this get greenlit... Like there are any women on fark...

Damn straight there is!


Ssshhh!  You'll spoil it for us.  They'll find out about our 8gig ram ovens, tablet cutting boards, and wifi clothes hangers.  Now pretend you have PMS so they can continue in ignorance.
 
2013-03-09 01:22:59 AM  
I highly recommend the Scandinavian  documentaries:

Brainwash: The Gender Equality Paradox
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2xrnyH2wQ


and The Gender War:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yta55u2zP2U

The only way to make Feminism worse is by turning it into a religion. (A state sponsored religion at that...)
 
2013-03-09 01:30:32 AM  
i.chzbgr.com

/this isn't an India thread already?
//you people are letting me down
 
2013-03-09 01:35:38 AM  

robodog: I love how they bag on the US for abortion laws passed but yet Sweden, which is in their top 5, has more restrictions on abortion than any state in the US (basically illegal except in the case of rape, incest, or medical necessity which is where some of our states are trying to take it but afaik haven't yet succeeded). Norway is basically in line with the majority of the US in that it's available during the first trimester, and somewhat during the first half of the second and only in extreme cases after that. Finland falls in the middle of those two and is perhaps most comparable to a purple state like Ohio where they're legal but require some hoops to jump through.


In Canada there are no legal restrctions on abortion.
 
2013-03-09 01:43:33 AM  

HotWingAgenda: steerforth: I'm saying scale and proportionality matters. You have to compare apples to apples. There are many nations where a female Prime Minister would not have nearly as much global political power or global cultural influence as a female senator or representative in the US.


Fine, let's look at Australia then, the 12th ranked economy in the world by GDP and which could easily be compared to New Zealand and Canada on many of these metrics. We rank up there with NZ and Canada on the Economist's glass ceiling index. Our maternity leave provisions probably let us down and our proportion of female elected representatives is not the greatest, but we do have a female prime minister who is not a figurehead in any way. (That's the Queen. Har har.)

We outrank the US on many of these measures. But then, we only have a population of 22 million, less than the population of California or Texas, so we aren't important, amirite?

Did you intentionally ignore my initial comment where I said the US should be compared to Australia because they are in the same general class? There is a massive geopolitical gulf between the US and a nation like Iceland or New Zealand. But the US and Australia, while not particularly close in many metrics, are at least similar, and enable a more reasonable comparison.

Yeah, and Australia still outranks the US on the index, as does Canada. Not very bootstrappy of you.

Not sure what you mean by "bootstrappy", but I wouldn't be surprised if Canada and Australia both ranked above the US on a statistically accurate index.  The problem is that this particular index is not accurate, because it claims to compare wildly dissimilar nations.  It's like comparing quality of life for the lowest/lowest employee at a 10 person company in someone's garage and no overhead, to quality of life for the lowest/highest employee at a 30,000 person Fortune 500 company.  You have to compare records within the same data set, not across different data sets.


The author of this particular article used a number of different datasets. Pretty much all of them had the Scandinavian nations, Canada and New Zealand ahead of the US on a number of metrics. Australia is usually just out of the top five. I take the point that four of the countries listed have small populations, but she does use statistically sound sources, which I have linked below. If you have a problem with the sources, particularly the Happiness Index and the Economist's glass ceiling index, that's up to you.

What the author has done is bring in several sources for her conclusions. In all of these sources, the US ranks highly, but what Subby was referring to in part - beside the obvious "duh, Muslims" reaction - was that the US, the most wealthy nation on earth, rarely cracks the top five. Perhaps the US should look into this situation, considering half of its population sensibly carries its gonads on the inside.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/03/daily-chart-3

http://www.trust.org/documents/womens-rights/resources/G20Poll2012I nfo graphics.pdf

http://www.prosperity.com/Ranking.aspx

http://777voting.com/

http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2960
 
2013-03-09 02:09:06 AM  

spidermilk: OK sorry but what does having a large population have to do with all the backward laws they invent just to try to make abortions more difficult to obtain?

Also come on people are still really sexist so fark off. You guys are actually joking which doesn't bother me. And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.


Part of the reason a lot of feminists sweat the small stuff is because it's enculturation. Women don't naturally care more about housework; they care more because their mothers taught them to have a clean house and their husband doesn't know how to operate a dishwasher. And if your husband doesn't know how to operate a dishwasher, or is only 'helping' around the house instead of actually having a defined amount of chores, then you have  no life if you're a breadwinner, because you're taking on two jobs at once. I've watched women IRL try to deal with that, and they basically sacrifice their entire lives for no reason. Not to mention that it sends a pretty clear message that a woman's job in life is to support others who will basically mooch off her...

Yeah, sometimes it's just silly. But pointing out flaws in our enculturation  is working on things like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying, because it addresses the root issue: No one is born sexist, and we have to be sure we don't accidentally teach it.
 
2013-03-09 02:26:51 AM  

rkiller1: Exactly what kind of pie are we munching on? I prefer cherry. (Valentines Day + one month = March 14th)


Any kind of pie you want.

March 14 = 3.14
 
2013-03-09 02:28:44 AM  

12349876:  I'm sure you think that 27 billion euros of revenue is local school board change (Hint: that's what the CEO of IKEA in SwedenThe Netherlands deals with)


Fixed that for you.

/Tax avoidance construction
 
2013-03-09 02:28:59 AM  

ciberido: Are you Australian?


No, American. I just can't imagine anyone wanting to be known as Bruce, therefore I believe it must be a sort of affectionate nickname.
 
2013-03-09 02:31:19 AM  
No surprises there. All five of those countries regularly top the UN Human Development Index, with Norway nearly always earning the top spot.

Wealthy, secular, progressive nations invariably have the highest standard of living in the world.
 
2013-03-09 02:49:57 AM  
Anyone see that there is a vote in the EU next week to outlaw all porn: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9917189/MEPs-to-vote-on-EU - ban-on-all-forms-of-pornography.html
 
2013-03-09 02:52:35 AM  

Stone Meadow: 12349876: Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US. So?

So that's BS.  Sweden has just about as many people as the largest US county, Los Angeles.  Sweden and Norway and New Zealand would all be third behind LA and Cook Illinois.  Even if you used Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Sweden would be 3rd and Norway and New Zealand in the top 11.

So, you agree with me...thanks. (Hint: don't be such a literalist. I'm trying to make the point that what is achievable in tiny countries doesn't necessarily translate to larger societies, no matter their willingness to engage on the issue. Being CEO of a company in Norway is like being chair of the local board of education in the US...a good place to start earning one's bona fides, but hardly world news.)


I don't know if there are any education boards that have budgets of 66 billion a year. Remember....they are a big oil nation and also dominate the maritime industries.
 
2013-03-09 03:08:49 AM  

Branch Dravidian: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x364]

/this isn't an India thread already?
//you people are letting me down


I just hugged my Indian fiancee
 
2013-03-09 03:23:03 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Anyone bother to mention RAPE statistics are up 500% in Sweden? That 1 in 4 women will be raped?

Great place to nominate there, Lou.

The number of reported rapes in Sweden is by far the highest in the European Union

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/8231   http://www.thelocal.se/12468/20080616/   http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=3126


Part of that is because they upgraded many sexual assault offences to rape. Also, 2/3ds of the rapes there are committed by immigrants. Mostly Muslim immigrants(Sweden has the highest % of Muslim imm. in the EU). They think that if a woman is not covered with a burkha, she is a whore, and they are free to do to her whatever they wish.
 
2013-03-09 03:39:25 AM  
Scandinavian countries have been ahead of the curve on this subject for a loooong time.
Quite a few of the Viking raiders were women.


/Maybe that is why Catholics are so afraid of women?
 
2013-03-09 03:58:19 AM  
The five best countries to live in if you are a woman. Guess who didn't make the list?

If you are concerned about workers rights, ect, the United States is not the best country for these things if you are a man either.

/Yes I know, it is about equality. I see giving women having time off for child care and mandating equal pay part of the same package as making sure everyone gets healthcare and decent rights in the workplace part of the same package. Equality is more then just having a penis or a vagina.

//Socialist!!!
 
2013-03-09 04:15:45 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Anyone bother to mention RAPE statistics are up 500% in Sweden? That 1 in 4 women will be raped?

Great place to nominate there, Lou.

The number of reported rapes in Sweden is by far the highest in the European Union

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/8231   http://www.thelocal.se/12468/20080616/   http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=3126


The criterion for 'rape' in Sweden is pretty much whatever the woman says it is. Look at Julian Assange. Feel slutty the next morning? Raped. Drunk one-night stand? Raped.
 
2013-03-09 05:01:10 AM  
I've never understood how anti-abortion protests make a country a worse place for women?  I'm neither for nor against abortion, I just think it's interesting how people who are 'for' abortion have turned it into a 'Pro Women' thing.  The majority of anti-abortion protests I've seen (and I've seen a lot) are primarily filled with women.
 
2013-03-09 05:13:23 AM  
I have it on good authority it doesn't matter how many women are in power, they are all women who had to play "the man's game" to get there. Why is this a criteria? Sexist ranking.

Also, 3/5 come from Viking country. I'm sure that isn't cultural, at all.  And why are the United States' major detractors health care "and by the way, Congress". Was that just because it's assumed health care is more important and all the other countries "pass" so it's not worth mentioning as a positive?

What was this list trying to convince me of, again?
 
2013-03-09 05:17:14 AM  

spidermilk: OK sorry but what does having a large population have to do with all the backward laws they invent just to try to make abortions more difficult to obtain?

Also come on people are still really sexist so fark off. You guys are actually joking which doesn't bother me. And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.


I hope (and trust) you realize that not all of the males are like this, and I hope (and trust) that you do not think all women are like this.

Time are changing.

Sometimes for the better.

Sexual equality will be a reality soon.

I will fight from my side, you fight from your side, together there will be a better world.
As long as both sides respect each other, we are both special and different.
If either side fights for superiority the other side will fight back.
We (males) are stronger so we have the upper hand, but that strength is only because of the misbehaviour of our fathers.
Forgive us, we did not do it.

I hate feminism though, it pisses me right the hell off - I will not surrender to females, and I do not see the difference between feminism and chauvinism. Anyone who tries to subjugate me will be fought against. Modern feminism is farking offensive.
 
2013-03-09 05:21:17 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I've never understood how anti-abortion protests make a country a worse place for women?  I'm neither for nor against abortion, I just think it's interesting how people who are 'for' abortion have turned it into a 'Pro Women' thing.  The majority of anti-abortion protests I've seen (and I've seen a lot) are primarily filled with women.


You aren't able to see that women having a choice about something so important as their future / a choice concerning something as important as their own body is "pro-women"?

/Pfffft!
 
2013-03-09 05:25:41 AM  

Stone Meadow: ox45tallboy: Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.

Want to try again? Iceland's population is 320,000...wouldn't even come close to the top 100 counties in the US...maybe not the top 1000.

As for Sweden...might make the top 5.

My point stands.


Why does population have ANY bearing on this?
 
2013-03-09 05:26:24 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I've never understood how anti-abortion protests make a country a worse place for women?  I'm neither for nor against abortion, I just think it's interesting how people who are 'for' abortion have turned it into a 'Pro Women' thing.  The majority of anti-abortion protests I've seen (and I've seen a lot) are primarily filled with women.


It is quite simple

Men are not told they are misbehaving
Women are

Women dont like being told that
Men do not either

Basically they are saying "this is not your choice, leave me alone"

(I am anti abortion personally but I do not impose my choice on others so I am also pro choice)

It is a question of choice.

Humans (and dogs, horses, turtles and Geese, etc...) dont like being told by someone uninvolved with the consequence that they have no choice.

The protestors are primarily female simply because men are never the victim of the imposition.
 
2013-03-09 05:27:31 AM  
^^ Im anti abortion because the child was not asked
 
2013-03-09 05:30:47 AM  

Alphax: Why does population have ANY bearing on this?


If population stats were important, Americans should shut the fark up

// Born in New Zealand, my home is Canada, currently working in Beijing China
/ I agree with you, population has nothing to do with this, but it is a common US boast which annoys me greatly, it is arrogant and incorrect. The US WAS an empire, now the world is basically saying STFU to that arrogance.
 
2013-03-09 05:40:06 AM  

The Snow Dog: Fark_Guy_Rob: I've never understood how anti-abortion protests make a country a worse place for women?  I'm neither for nor against abortion, I just think it's interesting how people who are 'for' abortion have turned it into a 'Pro Women' thing.  The majority of anti-abortion protests I've seen (and I've seen a lot) are primarily filled with women.

You aren't able to see that women having a choice about something so important as their future / a choice concerning something as important as their own body is "pro-women"?

/Pfffft!


Absolutely not.

It is a choice, yes.  But virtually all of our laws exist to restrict choices.  A law against drunk driving takes *away* choices.  The idea is that the choices we are taking away are 'bad' choices.  A law against murder removes a choice, but the idea is that murder is a bad choice.

Given that plenty of WOMEN think abortion is a bad choice - I don't view legal abortion as being 'pro-women' anymore than I would view legalized marijuana as being pro-women.  In either case, weed or abortion, the laws dictate what women can and can't do with their bodies.  That's pretty much what all laws do.  Plenty of men benefit from abortion too, and plenty of would-be-women are aborted....so it seems awfully gender-neutral to me.  I know if I knocked up a girl I'd be THRILLED if we could get an abortion.
 
2013-03-09 05:45:39 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know if I knocked up a girl I'd be THRILLED if we could get an abortion.


may I ask why ?
 
2013-03-09 05:47:42 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know if I knocked up a girl I'd be THRILLED if we could get an abortion.


It is not a form of contraception.
 
2013-03-09 05:51:42 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Given that plenty of WOMEN think abortion is a bad choice - I don't view legal abortion as being 'pro-women' anymore than I would view legalized marijuana as being pro-women.


I disagree.  Saying that a woman cannot get an abortion is a bad restriction on their lives, their freedom, and their health.  The laws that make them get invasive sonograms both insult their intelligence, by claiming they don't know what they're doing, and makes them submit to a plastic cock as punishment.

And banning abortion completely?  That just means that if they want it out of their bodies, they will use more dangerous methods of doing so, and might die.
 
2013-03-09 06:13:18 AM  

Pivot: SBinRR: The women in the countries listed appear to be highly motivated go getters that have made good lives for themselves.

Well done ladies!

I bet you get laid alot


I bet you don't.
 
2013-03-09 06:43:50 AM  
All of those countries have the same thing in common: No people.
 
2013-03-09 07:05:50 AM  

Slartibartfaster: spidermilk: OK sorry but what does having a large population have to do with all the backward laws they invent just to try to make abortions more difficult to obtain?

Also come on people are still really sexist so fark off. You guys are actually joking which doesn't bother me. And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.

I hope (and trust) you realize that not all of the males are like this, and I hope (and trust) that you do not think all women are like this.

Time are changing.

Sometimes for the better.

Sexual equality will be a reality soon.

I will fight from my side, you fight from your side, together there will be a better world.
As long as both sides respect each other, we are both special and different.
If either side fights for superiority the other side will fight back.
We (males) are stronger so we have the upper hand, but that strength is only because of the misbehaviour of our fathers.
Forgive us, we did not do it.

I hate feminism though, it pisses me right the hell off - I will not surrender to females, and I do not see the difference between feminism and chauvinism. Anyone who tries to subjugate me will be fought against. Modern feminism is farking offensive.


Surrender to the female, fartyblaststarter. Mommy says if you do you can have pudding.
 
2013-03-09 07:19:40 AM  
Norway is a pretty awesome place to be a man too.

14 weeks of mandatory paternity leave, this is in addition to the mandatory 9 weeks of maternity leave and then the 50 weeks of PAID shared leave.  They might have upped that last one for 2013, I am not entirely certain.  A couple having a child can get up to a total of at least 73 weeks of paid leave.  Child care is heavily subsidized.

A living minimum wage.  While there is no official minimum wage in Norway, the Union contracts have effectively created one where the average wage of the lowest paid 10% of the country is NOK 20,600.  Or about $43,000 a year.  That is only about 1/3 the wage of the highest 10%.  (Stats from 2010).

About a $600 Cap on yearly medical costs.  You essentially pay all medical costs up to $600 for a year and after that the government pays.  Medical and dental are free for all residents up to 18 years of age.

Education up through PhD is free.  Loan support for student living expenses it cheap.  They also get a small stipend for being a student.

What do you notice about all these things?  They are INCREDIBLY pragmatic.  They focus around early investment in programs that will yield LONG-TERM positive results.  Just about everything Norway does follows this pattern.  Spend a little now, get much more down the road.

They apply this to all sorts of systems, such as their prison system.  As a culture they resist the base human urges of punishment and vengeance, instead focusing on rehabilitation  because THAT is what will save money and improve society in the long run.

There is NOTHING about what Norway does to make itself such a great place to live that isn't FULLY APPLICABLE to western countries of all sizes and demographics, the United States included.  In fact, the US is full of natural resources and us Americans here in Norway are known for being diligent and hardworking employees.

All of the "blah blah blah but Norway is small" nonsense being spewed by morons in this thread comes from a place of total ignorance, and it has no basis in reality.  So just keep regurgitating those BS talking points and fighting over the crumbs of your betters.

/Never leaving
 
2013-03-09 07:24:28 AM  
So by the inverse logic, the greatest place to be a man would be Saudi Arabia, right?
 
2013-03-09 07:27:36 AM  

littleray42: All of those countries have the same thing in common: No people.


This may surprise you...
because you are ignorant and stupid
The people you said do not exist ? we actually exist

farkwit

This might also surprise you.
But I doubt it
Because you dont read more than three words in a day
It is POSSIBLE for ALL nations to also be respectful of other people

// You are the problem, stand aside so we can continue implementing the solution
/ or ya know, carry on as you are, its working out SO well for you
 
2013-03-09 07:28:48 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: So by the inverse logic, the greatest place to be a man would be Saudi Arabia, right?


If you hate women, perhaps. I'm thinking of taking a trip to Norway with my wife, to see if it is really as nice as it sounds.
 
2013-03-09 07:29:28 AM  

steerforth: Surrender to the female, fartyblaststarter. Mommy says if you do you can have pudding.


You cant have any pudding if you dont eat your meat.
 
2013-03-09 07:31:29 AM  

MmmmBacon: If you hate women, perhaps. I'm thinking of taking a trip to Norway with my wife, to see if it is really as nice as it sounds.


It's gorgeous, if you aren't a winter sports enthusiast come in the summer.
 
2013-03-09 07:39:22 AM  

MmmmBacon: I'm thinking of taking a trip to Norway with my wife, to see if it is really as nice as it sounds.


The food there is quite different, but if you like dairy products the milk and cheese there is very rich.
The fish there is quite pungent (quite stinky but ... quite flavourful)
The landscapes are very very nice.

The people are tricky.
Quite nice once you get to know them.
Quite hard to get to know.

I hope you and your wife enjoy your trip.
 
2013-03-09 07:53:54 AM  

dr_blasto: Saudi Arabia?

/DNRTFA



I only glanced at the article, but I'm shocked that no Asian countries made the list I'm almost as shocked that no countries in Africa or the Middle East made the list.

not really shocked that the US is not on it.

How the hell do you measure such a thing anyway? Who decides the criteria?

FTFA: Women in Norway were allowed to inherit property in 1854,

Oh.

Hooray for 160 years ago!

And I'm not saying the US should be on the list....looks at article slightly more closely. Oh, it's measured by how many women are in government and how easy it is to get an abortion. Thanks - I'm sure those are the only 2 things that matter to women.
 
2013-03-09 08:07:32 AM  
I am going to guess , without reading the article, and say that the list is based on how much "free stuff" and special treatment the  supposedly equal gender that is woman is given.

RTFA:  Ooops It is all about how many woman hold public office.  Well it would seem that if woman are in the majority and make up the majority of voters they have only themselves to blame for that one.  Of course they do seem to tend to vote for men that are more like women so it tends to even out.

Notes form article: #1 Norway-Just 3.5 percent of businesses there are led by women -- less than in the U.S., Great Britain, and Spain -- and, in spite of the focus on equal rights, when it comes to housework women there still handle the bulk of it.
 
2013-03-09 08:12:07 AM  

Slartibartfaster: steerforth: Surrender to the female, fartyblaststarter. Mommy says if you do you can have pudding.

You cant have any pudding if you dont eat your meat.


Equality of the sexes means a well-balanced diet. You may find this unpalatable, but you can always suck on your jerky to beef yourself up.
 
2013-03-09 08:14:45 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Anyone bother to mention RAPE statistics are up 500% in Sweden? That 1 in 4 women will be raped?

Great place to nominate there, Lou.

The number of reported rapes in Sweden is by far the highest in the European Union

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/8231   http://www.thelocal.se/12468/20080616/   http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=3126


Well, they DID have Julian Assange hang out there once.
 
2013-03-09 08:16:50 AM  

steerforth: Equality of the sexes means a well-balanced diet.


double plus good speak true
 
2013-03-09 08:22:52 AM  

ox45tallboy: Stone Meadow: ox45tallboy: Fine. Three out of the five (Canada, Sweden, and Iceland) all have larger populations than ANY urban area in the US, and the other two have larger populations than any single county, so you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong on the first part.

Want to try again? Iceland's population is 320,000...wouldn't even come close to the top 100 counties in the US...maybe not the top 1000.

As for Sweden...might make the top 5.

My point stands.

Ha.

You're right about Iceland being roughly 320,000.

Other than that:

Norway - 5,000,000
Iceland - 320,000
Sweden - 9,500,000
Canada - 34,500,00
New Zealand - 4,400,000

Most populous counties in the US:

Los Angeles - 9,800,000
Cook Co. IL (Chicago) - 5,200,000
Harris County TX (Houston) - 4,100,000

And it goes down from there. Although I was wrong about the population of two of the countries, you are far more wrong when you say

Stone Meadow: Okay, ONE out of five countries on the list has a population greater than that of a decent sized urban county in the US.

Keep in mind that four out of the five countries have higher populations than the third largest county in the US, so unless you want to try and weasel out by saying "well, by decent-sized I only meant the top 2 out of the 3,143 in the United States."

Your point is wrong, and you are a silly poster for having said such a silly thing.


Are you really arguing that because 2 of the COUNTRIES on this list have more people than the largest COUNTY in the USA? Because you've already lost it that's the case.

If the argument were, which country/state/city/county would you most like to live if you were a woman, I'd bet San Francisco/California would too the list
 
2013-03-09 08:28:19 AM  

hasty ambush: I am going to guess , without reading the article, and say that the list is based on how much "free stuff" and special treatment the  supposedly equal gender that is woman is given.

RTFA:  Ooops It is all about how many woman hold public office.  Well it would seem that if woman are in the majority and make up the majority of voters they have only themselves to blame for that one.  Of course they do seem to tend to vote for men that are more like women so it tends to even out.

Notes form article: #1 Norway-Just 3.5 percent of businesses there are led by women -- less than in the U.S., Great Britain, and Spain -- and, in spite of the focus on equal rights, when it comes to housework women there still handle the bulk of it.


Why the fark is amount of housework relevant?
 
2013-03-09 08:32:37 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Are you really arguing that because 2 of the COUNTRIES on this list have more people than the largest COUNTY in the USA? Because you've already lost it that's the case.


Are you really arguing that the larger the population the more correct it is and the more they have a right to feel superior ?

Cuz ummmm

India called they want to have a word (and this time its not tech support for products manufactured in China)
China called too, but, it was to sell you something and you didn't answer fast enough they moved on to calling India - ya know, a country that has a large population with disposable income.

USA !!! we're number three
USA !!! we're number three
USA !!! we're number three
 
2013-03-09 08:34:24 AM  

MmmmBacon: HaywoodJablonski: So by the inverse logic, the greatest place to be a man would be Saudi Arabia, right?

If you hate women, perhaps. I'm thinking of taking a trip to Norway with my wife, to see if it is really as nice as it sounds.


Make sure you bring lots of cash. $15 beers, etc.
 
2013-03-09 08:37:43 AM  

Slartibartfaster: HaywoodJablonski: Are you really arguing that because 2 of the COUNTRIES on this list have more people than the largest COUNTY in the USA? Because you've already lost it that's the case.

Are you really arguing that the larger the population the more correct it is and the more they have a right to feel superior ?

Cuz ummmm

India called they want to have a word (and this time its not tech support for products manufactured in China)
China called too, but, it was to sell you something and you didn't answer fast enough they moved on to calling India - ya know, a country that has a large population with disposable income.

USA !!! we're number three
USA !!! we're number three
USA !!! we're number three


Hint: it's very easy to look admirable when your nation has free money (petrodollars in Scandinavia) and charges out the ass for the right to live there.
 
2013-03-09 08:39:30 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Hint: it's very easy to look admirable when your nation has free money (petrodollars in Scandinavia) and charges out the ass for the right to live there.


And how would that have anything to do with how women are treated there?
 
2013-03-09 08:42:09 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Hint: it's very easy to look admirable when your nation has free money (petrodollars in Scandinavia) and charges out the ass for the right to live there


yep, same way I feel about the US

// When calculating US tax, include corporate costs, it is still a tax its just paid to someone other than the government, VERY expensive and not at all voluntary... aka tax
 
2013-03-09 08:43:33 AM  

thisiszombocom: good for them broads.  those chicks are all right.  heres to womens careers


I don't know who this woman is, but she has nice boobs and that's good enough for me.

What were we taking about?
 
2013-03-09 08:44:04 AM  

eatin' fetus: domenad: For a gender seemingly insistent on equality, women sure do expect others to pay a lot of bills for them.

And do you know what's super crazy?! They don't even have a majority in the Congress, they can just barely vote as of like yesterday, and not once, ever has there been a woman president! They are even still doing housework and taking care of their children in this backwards, retarded, stupid ass country! 

I just want a world where women are exactly like men in every single way. Every. Single. Way.


You're into futanari?
 
2013-03-09 08:45:22 AM  

ArkyBeagle: Norway? Iceland? Sweden? Canada?

Aren't those places... cold?


Frigid.
 
2013-03-09 08:45:48 AM  

Alphax: HaywoodJablonski: Hint: it's very easy to look admirable when your nation has free money (petrodollars in Scandinavia) and charges out the ass for the right to live there.

And how would that have anything to do with how women are treated there?


It's very easy to manage a country with zero problems and a homogenous liberal population in that environment
 
2013-03-09 08:48:41 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Alphax: HaywoodJablonski: Hint: it's very easy to look admirable when your nation has free money (petrodollars in Scandinavia) and charges out the ass for the right to live there.

And how would that have anything to do with how women are treated there?

It's very easy to manage a country with zero problems and a homogenous liberal population in that environment


There's a crapload of other small countries that do it wrong.
 
2013-03-09 08:51:32 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: It's very easy to manage a country with zero problems


name such a country
 
2013-03-09 08:52:05 AM  

KawaiiNot: True but at least if you get pregnant in those countries you can't be fired, are given time off when the baby is born


You have those guarantees in the US as well.

And while I'm sure there are abuses that are often hard if not impossible to prove, I suspect those same abuses happen in countries like Sweden as well.

I've also seen women abuse maternity leave. The most egregious case was a woman I worked with who got pregnant, took her (3 months IIRC) maternity leave and came back for a whole week after it was up and then quit.

Yeah, she never intended to keep working after her baby was born. IMO, she didn't deserve a single day of maternity leave.
 
2013-03-09 08:53:22 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: MmmmBacon: HaywoodJablonski: So by the inverse logic, the greatest place to be a man would be Saudi Arabia, right?

If you hate women, perhaps. I'm thinking of taking a trip to Norway with my wife, to see if it is really as nice as it sounds.

Make sure you bring lots of cash. $15 beers, etc.


How can any country that charges $15 for a beer be considered a good place to live?  They are obviously using the wrong metrics.

/Have been to Norway twice while in the military, decades ago, but beer drinking never was on the agenda sadly.
 
2013-03-09 08:54:16 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: a homogenous liberal population


I am a maori, from New Zealand
I am french speaking living in Canada (when I am not working in China, my wife and kids are based there)

research these terms a little

oh who am I kidding

STFU idjut
Take time to learn about the world, its a LOT bigger than you think
 
2013-03-09 09:03:20 AM  

Slartibartfaster: HaywoodJablonski: It's very easy to manage a country with zero problems

name such a country


I think it was an episode of TNG.
 
2013-03-09 09:09:44 AM  

Evil Mackerel: I think it was an episode of TNG.


Which episode ?

// about to go to bed watching some TNG
/ Chinese TV sucks donkey balls
// not the best part of the donkey to eat, I prefer the hind quarters in a pastry sandwich
 
2013-03-09 09:17:32 AM  

12349876: halfof33: 12349876: Stone Meadow: So, you agree with me...thanks. (Hint: don't be such a literalist. I'm trying to make the point that what is achievable in tiny countries doesn't necessarily translate to larger societies, no matter their willingness to engage on the issue. Being CEO of a company in Norway is like being chair of the local board of education in the US...a good place to start earning one's bona fides, but hardly world news.)

You said decent, top 10 isn't decent in my book. Just keep spewing shiat without the research.  I'm sure you think that 27 billion euros of revenue is local school board change (Hint: that's what the CEO of IKEA in Sweden deals with)

That is two weeks revenue for Walmart.

Man you love your bullshiat don't you?

27 billion euros = 35 billion dollars

35 billion dollars into Wal Marts 447 billion = 7.8%

7.8% of a year = 28 days

28 days > 2 weeks



Ok so 4 weeks instead of 2 weeks. Estimating Ikea's revenue as a fraction of Wal-mart's within 4% seems good enough for a Fark discussion. You are just nitpicking and not actually addressing the point.

While we can argue all day about the relative difficulty of managing large diverse countries versus small insular countries (and how irrelevant that may be how women are treated), the underlying issue is that it is very easy to take very good care of your population if you have no appreciable military spending. All of those top 5 countries are spending about 1.5% of GDP on their military while we are spending closer to 5%. That's a difference of hundreds of billions of dollars.
 
2013-03-09 09:44:26 AM  

Slartibartfaster: spidermilk: OK sorry but what does having a large population have to do with all the backward laws they invent just to try to make abortions more difficult to obtain?

Also come on people are still really sexist so fark off. You guys are actually joking which doesn't bother me. And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.

I hope (and trust) you realize that not all of the males are like this, and I hope (and trust) that you do not think all women are like this.

Time are changing.

Sometimes for the better.

Sexual equality will be a reality soon.

I will fight from my side, you fight from your side, together there will be a better world.
As long as both sides respect each other, we are both special and different.
If either side fights for superiority the other side will fight back.
We (males) are stronger so we have the upper hand, but that strength is only because of the misbehaviour of our fathers.
Forgive us, we did not do it.

I hate feminism though, it pisses me right the hell off - I will not surrender to females, and I do not see the difference between feminism and chauvinism. Anyone who tries to subjugate me will be fought against. Modern feminism is farking offensive.


Definition of  FEMINISM1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes2: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interestssurrender, asshats!also, I am thinking about having an abortion but to make it fair, I should ask my fetus what is thinks of this first. what, no comment? okay, we're good to go.
 
2013-03-09 09:53:30 AM  

Alphax: HaywoodJablonski: Hint: it's very easy to look admirable when your nation has free money (petrodollars in Scandinavia) and charges out the ass for the right to live there.

And how would that have anything to do with how women are treated there?


Since the list was "5 best countries to live in if you are a woman", the metrics used from the article include domestic spending issues like maternal mortality/healthcare, education, childcare costs, and "happiness index". Haywood does have a point, but domestic spending also doesn't necessarily account for the other cited metrics like percentage of female political and business leadership.
 
2013-03-09 10:06:40 AM  

ox45tallboy: Come on, Lilly Ledbetter passed! Over tons of objections from Republicans, but it still passed!

Perhaps the writers of the article don't like mandatory and medically unnecessary vaginal wand insertion before a medical procedure?

Or the fact the ERA still hasn't passed?


Or that women still don't have to register for the draft to qualify for student loans, or get a ton "free stuff" thanks to Obamacare because of their gender, have special college courses/areas of study just for their gender, outnumber men in college, still live longer than men, get treated special in the work place due to their ability to spawn and get special rather than equal treatment under the law thanks to  the Violence Against Women Act.  Yup those poor mistreated dames.
 
2013-03-09 10:07:21 AM  
"...Norway passed its Gender Equality Act in 1978, long before other countries were concerned about equal rights for women; it's also the first country in the world to have a  Gender Equality Ombud whose main duty is to enforce the act and make sure that jobs in the private and public sectors go equally to men and women."

So, state-sponsered quotas and discrimination based on gender are a good thing?
 
2013-03-09 12:08:48 PM  

halfof33: let me guess, the "men" in those countries are pussies...

clicks..

yup


Two words: Chris Hatfield.


parkthebus: I've been to all those countries, and they do not have better sandwiches.


Montreal smoked meaton rye.
 
2013-03-09 12:24:34 PM  

cybrwzrd: So why is giving crazy more rights a good thing?


You really ought to be more grateful for the rights you have.  If we banned crazy people from Fark, for example, the threads would be far less interesting, and you wouldn't get the "any attention is good attention" validation you crave.
 
2013-03-09 12:32:17 PM  
spidermilk: And I am not a woman who thinks that strippers, porn, Hardees whatever is offensive to women. I don't even give TWO shiatS who does more housework unless the woman is being forced to do it (in reality I think women CARE MORE about housework so they do it more- on their own free will. like men care about their car more so they spend more time washing it or always get the gas). Focusing on this stupid stuff distracts from the real problems like slut shaming or people who think a woman president would break down crying at every meeting.

You're essentially arguing that we should give a free pass to the little things so that we have more energy with which to fight bigger problems.  And that's fine; you direct your energy to wherever you think it will do the most good.  But there are many arguments to the effect that, and many people who believe that, the little things are the fertile soil out of which the big problems grow.  If you agree with that idea, then fighting the little things is important,
 
2013-03-09 12:42:25 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The Snow Dog: Fark_Guy_Rob: I've never understood how anti-abortion protests make a country a worse place for women?  I'm neither for nor against abortion, I just think it's interesting how people who are 'for' abortion have turned it into a 'Pro Women' thing.  The majority of anti-abortion protests I've seen (and I've seen a lot) are primarily filled with women.

You aren't able to see that women having a choice about something so important as their future / a choice concerning something as important as their own body is "pro-women"?

/Pfffft!

Absolutely not.

It is a choice, yes.  But virtually all of our laws exist to restrict choices.  A law against drunk driving takes *away* choices.  The idea is that the choices we are taking away are 'bad' choices.  A law against murder removes a choice, but the idea is that murder is a bad choice.

Given that plenty of WOMEN think abortion is a bad choice - I don't view legal abortion as being 'pro-women' anymore than I would view legalized marijuana as being pro-women.  In either case, weed or abortion, the laws dictate what women can and can't do with their bodies.  That's pretty much what all laws do.  Plenty of men benefit from abortion too, and plenty of would-be-women are aborted....so it seems awfully gender-neutral to me.  I know if I knocked up a girl I'd be THRILLED if we could get an abortion.


Ok, so you were being disingenuous when you started off with "I've never understood how ..." in your earlier post.  It's not that you don't UNDERSTAND the argument; it's that you deny it.  So let's just make a quick note of your dishonesty before moving on.

But to address your original question in good faith, all you ever need to know about how abortion rights relate to feminism was explained  40 years ago by Florynce Kennedy.  The argument should have been over when she said "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

And, in a sense, it was.  All meaningful argument ended then.
 
2013-03-09 01:01:23 PM  
All white countries, imagine that....
 
2013-03-09 01:04:12 PM  

ox45tallboy: ciberido: Are you Australian?

No, American. I just can't imagine anyone wanting to be known as Bruce, therefore I believe it must be a sort of affectionate nickname.


That's going to cause a bit of confusion...
 
2013-03-09 01:54:00 PM  
I love these threads. If I wanted to, I could read your posts and color code you all by how well you did with girls in high school.
 
2013-03-09 02:23:32 PM  

Ms.Gradenko: Definition of  FEMINISM1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes2


It has absolutely nothing to do with equality.
Look at the word, does it refer to anything other than the female gender ?
It is about female rights specifically.

But ... arguing that with anyone who thinks it is about equality is pointless.
 
2013-03-09 02:28:31 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I love these threads. If I wanted to, I could read your posts and color code you all by how well you did with girls in high school.


Actually that sounds fun - at least better than the usual pointless squabbling about logical fallacies.
 
2013-03-09 05:16:38 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: dr_blasto: Saudi Arabia?

/DNRTFA

What women? I can't even see any there, they must all be ghosts or something.

[www.ecnmag.com image 379x266]


Islamic women are Ji'Hotties!!!
 
2013-03-09 05:44:38 PM  

ArkyBeagle: Norway? Iceland? Sweden? Canada?

Aren't those places... cold?


Well, we have a proverb in Canada:  "Cold feet, warm hearts".
 
2013-03-09 06:02:32 PM  

halfof33: let me guess, the "men" in those countries are pussies...

clicks..

yup


I think you mean "Tom Cats". Meowrrrrrr!
 
2013-03-09 06:05:22 PM  
I'd like to complain about the number of complaints in this thread.
 
2013-03-09 06:20:22 PM  
I am glad to see that Canada ranks in its rightful place among the honorary, also-ran Nordic countries. Yaaaay, Canada! Go for the Bronze!

But curse you, New Zealand! You spoil our rankings too often! But, of course, your population is smaller than ours (Ontario and probably Quebec) so your peace, order, and good government doesn't count.

The USA ranks somewhere about 12th on the "Glass Ceiling Ranking" mentioned in the article. So console yourself. I usually treat these rankings as somewhat fuzzy, which often means that the top ten are essentially all tied. That means the USA is actually at number two place, along with nine other countries, most of which you can guess from having seen the same ten or twenty countries in every ranking of quality of life and progressive issues.

In other words:  Ha! Ha! Beat Australia!

Britain ranks quite a bit below the US. This is confirmed by every comedian and social commentator (and travel writers) for a couple of centuries. American women rule the roost compared to British women, with the exception of horsey lesbians who talk way too loud and boss everybody around like the Queen of Hearts.

Off with their heads! Everybody except Bull Dog Dykes, that is. That's what this vocal minority is like according to all the comedians and social commentators for the last couple of centuries. Not unlike American women, in some ways, but with fewer seats in the House of Lords than in the Senate (which isn't many).
 
2013-03-09 06:31:23 PM  

brantgoose: But curse you, New Zealand! You spoil our rankings too often! But, of course, your population is smaller than ours (Ontario and probably Quebec) so your peace, order, and good government doesn't count.


The Greater Toronto area has a million and change more people than all of New Zealand...  The more you know.
 
2013-03-09 06:46:00 PM  
You do not have a right to live in Norway. It's a privilege. Of birth, mostly, not to mention hard work and engagement with the political life of the country.

The Nordic countries do have tiny African populations I hear. There's the famous British actor, Richard Ayoade, of The Mighty Boosh and The IT Crowd, for example. His father is African and his mother is Norwegian. He's the Obama of Norway. There are many more of these in the UK than in Norway for historical reasons.

The Scandinavians come by their feminism naturally. Among the farming peoples of Europe (especially in the rougher areas), men and women did pretty much the same work. In fact, women sometimes pulled the plow while their husbands stood on it to make sure the blade dug deep enough.

This kind of natural equality leads easily to more political, economic and cultural equality. It was the role of women in replacing men at work during World War I that lead to female suffrage in most of the countries such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and the US. A few places held out on the vote and the right to hold public office (Quebec, in Canada, until the 1940s or 50s; Appenzell in Switzerland until very recently), but most Northern European countries (and their colonies in the UK, the US, etc) were very egalitarian.

In the Middle Ages and modern times, this equality continued as people went from being peasants to being shop keepers and artisans--the women you see in Dutch paintings with their wealthy merchant husbands were probably doing the accounts and minding the business as much or more than their husbands. Many European scholars taught their wives and daughters to read, write, and speak many languages so they could help in their scholarly work. Out of this equality grew the tendancy of women to dominate the arts, culture, literature, education and other "unmanly" activities in America and Canada (that and half pay).

Nordic climate forces egalitarianism, community spirit and cooperation on people. You cooperate with others, you look out for your neighbours, or you do not survive Northern winters. Famines were common in these countries well into the Nineteenth Century. They were poor countries so recently that there are probably still centenarians who remember the hardships of life still common in the early 1900s.

Because of slavery, heavy immigration, the mistreatment and misappropriation of native peoples and the continental imperialism of young and ballsy America, Americans tend to have less of this mentality. It is much more like Brazil or Russia, even China or India, than Norway or Swizterland or Belgium. There's a current of cynicism and "rugged individualism", whose downside is selfishness and intolerance, and whose upside is optimism and self-reliance and political and economic engagement, in the US and also to some extent Canada, Australia and New Zealand--the Lion Cubs or Young Dominions of Britain as they were called until their full independance was recognized.

Women have higher status and have had it for a very long time compared to the Latin nations and much of the rest of the world, especially the Muslim and Asian countries where women are still treated worse than cattle.

All in all, this is a very good thing, because a modern, progressive and go-ahead country can not afford to waste or handicap more than half of its population, especially the elder, wiser and more broadly experienced half. Women know way more about education, health, children, and oppression than men. This is very important information they can bring to politics and social organization.

I suspect that when Congress is half women, even the Senate, it will be much less full of BS and foolishness than it is now. Women are spoil sports when it comes to rough-housing and adventurism, which is why you see so few mothers in Disney movies. Mind you, judging from the crap that the Sarah Palins, Ann Coulters, and so forth talk, there will still be plenty because a lot of women care more about being like one of the boys than they do their own sex, or children, or welfare.
 
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