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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Researchers say the earth is getting warmer faster than at any time in the last 11,000 years and that the world was actually rapidly cooling until SOMETHING made the temperatures start to climb in the early 20th century   (ajc.com) divider line 366
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2013-03-08 08:11:56 PM

Farking Canuck: JRoo: So global warming has saved us from an advancing ice age?

Sweet.

Now we just have to figure out how to slow it down and control it.

This is effectively all true. The problems with is are as follows:

- we know how to control it (manage the greenhouse gas %) but the anti-science movement opposes all actions that will enable us to actually turn it down

- we are already too high

- there is a large lag in the system and we are already going to way overshoot our ideal temperature. It is already too late to stop things from getting bad ... if we act now all we can to is reduce how bad and for how long.

I do small scale reactor controller programming as one of my many jobs and lag is a biatch ... makes control difficult.


I can't see the world actually doing anything effective in the emissions reduction side of things, it will be too little, too late etc. Especially while we've still got people arguing global climate change isn't caused by human activity. There are too many different parties with their own agendas agreement is not going to be possible. We can't even get one country to agree on something as simple as whether abortion should be legal or not, let alone get all the countries in the world to agree on action against climate change.

At this point I think we would be better to look at what exactly the new conditions will be, and at what we need to do to deal with them.
 
2013-03-08 08:13:20 PM

ialdabaoth: Farking Canuck: gorgon38: Wow. I'm glad we turned on the heat I far prefer the warming to the cooling. Keep pumping out that smoke china!

You're a frog in a pot of water. Good luck with that.

You're in the same pot I am, at least when it goes, it'll kill you with me.

And if I can keep people giving me all the ways out of the pot, then I can use them to make sure that I die last, which means I get to watch the rest of you farkers burn before I go. What's not to love?


Well I'm old enough that I'm pretty confident that I will be gone before things go all Mad Max. So I am more arguing against stupidity than expecting any real change.

Even if there is change now it will be 30 years before we see any impact ... so I don't expect to see much of it.

All I expect out of all of this is a bit of schadenfreude in watching the red states burn first. In a decade or so I think all you'll smell down there during the summers is bacon as the fatties fry!
 
2013-03-08 08:13:25 PM
The Federal Reserve?
 
2013-03-08 08:13:25 PM
iheartscotch: ...
Maybe I am wrong; but, isn't the definition of interstellar is a body that moves though space? The sun moves; from a galactic standpoint. I mean; we are in one of the "arms" of the galaxy.

Are you serious? Interstellar space is the distance between -star systems-. We're ever-so-slightly closer to the sun than any other stars, y'know. When we start freaking out about global warming on Eris then we can worry about interstellar influence.
 
2013-03-08 08:15:20 PM

Farking Canuck: ialdabaoth: Farking Canuck: gorgon38: Wow. I'm glad we turned on the heat I far prefer the warming to the cooling. Keep pumping out that smoke china!

You're a frog in a pot of water. Good luck with that.

You're in the same pot I am, at least when it goes, it'll kill you with me.

And if I can keep people giving me all the ways out of the pot, then I can use them to make sure that I die last, which means I get to watch the rest of you farkers burn before I go. What's not to love?

Well I'm old enough that I'm pretty confident that I will be gone before things go all Mad Max. So I am more arguing against stupidity than expecting any real change.

Even if there is change now it will be 30 years before we see any impact ... so I don't expect to see much of it.

All I expect out of all of this is a bit of schadenfreude in watching the red states burn first. In a decade or so I think all you'll smell down there during the summers is bacon as the fatties fry!


Nah, the red states won't burn first; they'll just invade the blue states.
 
2013-03-08 08:15:55 PM

Syrrh: iheartscotch: ...
Maybe I am wrong; but, isn't the definition of interstellar is a body that moves though space? The sun moves; from a galactic standpoint. I mean; we are in one of the "arms" of the galaxy.

Are you serious? Interstellar space is the distance between -star systems-. We're ever-so-slightly closer to the sun than any other stars, y'know. When we start freaking out about global warming on Eris then we can worry about interstellar influence.


Why are you taking any of this seriously?
 
2013-03-08 08:16:07 PM
FTFA: future where humans control the thermostat of the planet

    We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature? Mother nature is coldly indifferent to our presence at best, we'll be another species that will go extinct to no fanfare. Sleep tight.

/ could you at least enjoy the ride for chrissakes
 
2013-03-08 08:16:17 PM
i heard that research in low emission technologies was a casualty of the sequester of 1906
 
2013-03-08 08:16:20 PM
the world was actually rapidly cooling until SOMETHING made the temperatures start to climb in the early 20th century

upload.wikimedia.org
It was  SOCIALISM!!!!!
 
2013-03-08 08:18:27 PM

Syrrh: iheartscotch: ...
Maybe I am wrong; but, isn't the definition of interstellar is a body that moves though space? The sun moves; from a galactic standpoint. I mean; we are in one of the "arms" of the galaxy.

Are you serious? Interstellar space is the distance between -star systems-. We're ever-so-slightly closer to the sun than any other stars, y'know. When we start freaking out about global warming on Eris then we can worry about interstellar influence.


My point was; our sun is a big factor in us being warm. I realize there are other factors; but, I was not saying that other stars were contributing.

/ the sun goes in cycles; if the information that I have seen is any indication, we are currently in a up cycle. The regular cycles are about a decade or so long.
 
2013-03-08 08:19:04 PM

New Age Redneck: FTFA: future where humans control the thermostat of the planet

    We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature? Mother nature is coldly indifferent to our presence at best, we'll be another species that will go extinct to no fanfare. Sleep tight.

/ could you at least enjoy the ride for chrissakes


you ass. Algae, a motherfarking microbe you can't even see, terra formed the entire planet. 3 billion years later, those same microbes can now dig through the earth and unleash/mine/extract any amount of material we find convenient to extract and you think that's "small fries"?

you moron.
 
2013-03-08 08:19:39 PM
Goddam bicyclists.
 
2013-03-08 08:19:53 PM
Oldiron_79:

The one where Florida is swallowed by the sea, duh

The problem in Florida is the people, and most aren't quite stupid enough to sit at home and drown as the waters rise.  Do you want to deal with Floridian refugees?

The state will eventually collapse into one big sinkhole, but it's in our best interest to keep Floridians in Florida where they can entertain us from a distance for as long as possible.
 
2013-03-08 08:20:35 PM

LookForTheArrow: New Age Redneck: FTFA: future where humans control the thermostat of the planet

    We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature? Mother nature is coldly indifferent to our presence at best, we'll be another species that will go extinct to no fanfare. Sleep tight.

/ could you at least enjoy the ride for chrissakes

you ass. Algae, a motherfarking microbe you can't even see, terra formed the entire planet. 3 billion years later, those same microbes can now dig through the earth and unleash/mine/extract any amount of material we find convenient to extract and you think that's "small fries"?

you moron.


See my post about the religious right raging about the 'hubris' of assuming that we have the ability to effect the planet.
 
2013-03-08 08:20:53 PM

LookForTheArrow: New Age Redneck: FTFA: future where humans control the thermostat of the planet

    We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature? Mother nature is coldly indifferent to our presence at best, we'll be another species that will go extinct to no fanfare. Sleep tight.

/ could you at least enjoy the ride for chrissakes

you ass. Algae, a motherfarking microbe you can't even see, terra formed the entire planet. 3 billion years later, those same microbes can now dig through the earth and unleash/mine/extract any amount of material we find convenient to extract and you think that's "small fries"?

you moron.


Why do you believe that those microbes ever existed? Why do you believe that "three billion years" even happened? Why do you believe that we live on a "planet"?

How do you intend to argue with someone who is willing to disregard those beliefs in order to maintain their belief that you're full of shiat?
 
2013-03-08 08:20:57 PM

iheartscotch: My point was; our sun is a big factor in us being warm.


Oh, really? Perhaps you could point to some research that confirms this hypothesis.
 
2013-03-08 08:21:33 PM

Infernalist: LookForTheArrow: New Age Redneck: FTFA: future where humans control the thermostat of the planet

    We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature? Mother nature is coldly indifferent to our presence at best, we'll be another species that will go extinct to no fanfare. Sleep tight.

/ could you at least enjoy the ride for chrissakes

you ass. Algae, a motherfarking microbe you can't even see, terra formed the entire planet. 3 billion years later, those same microbes can now dig through the earth and unleash/mine/extract any amount of material we find convenient to extract and you think that's "small fries"?

you moron.

See my post about the religious right raging about the 'hubris' of assuming that we have the ability to effect the planet.


"Hubris" is a human word, and therefore means whatever those in power want it to mean. This is why it's so important that the religious right stay in power.
 
2013-03-08 08:21:36 PM

Nidiot: At this point I think we would be better to look at what exactly the new conditions will be, and at what we need to do to deal with them.


It has to be both or humanity will be eternally chasing a moving target.

The fact is that if predictions are remotely correct, and so far they have been quite accurate (contrary to denier propaganda), eventually the denier movement will burn out (pun intended). And with this resistance gone things will start moving in a good direction. But it will be hundreds of years before we will be able to truly stabilize anything ... to actually claim control.

So, you are right, the short term solution is to learn to adapt. But without a long term effort it will not be enough (IMO).
 
2013-03-08 08:22:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: My point was; our sun is a big factor in us being warm.

Oh, really? Perhaps you could point to some research that confirms this hypothesis.


Are you seriously still on that 'facts' BS?
 
2013-03-08 08:22:26 PM

Kazan: 10^12 tons. 1,000,000,000,000. TERATONS of Carbon.

Human activity is adding TERATONS of Carbon. It's called the "Law of Extremely Large Numbers". One human is insignificant. 7 billion humans are not.


What percentage of the CO2 in the atmosphere is that? How does the annual amount compare to the amount emitted by natural processes, such as decaying trees or the ocean? Hint: it's about two orders of magnitude smaller.
 
2013-03-08 08:22:37 PM
Dear Americans deeply concerned about climate change:

You lost on the 'grand' solution. There will NEVER be massive carbon taxation or a similar scheme. If you honestly believe that is still possible, you need check yourselves into rehab. It is not happening! You need a new tactic, a new goal, a new message. This issue is obviously not over, but the big "easy" solution you want is never gonna happen. Adapt your message or... die.
 
2013-03-08 08:23:41 PM
LookForTheArrow

"methinks you protest too much."

It's as if reading comprehension has completely escaped you, and you're in attack mode. That's standard for Fark nowadays.

I said: "Politics, policies, and TV/Internet" scare people into being funded more. Grants, commercials, page clicks, etc. ALL fall into what I said, and I'm 100% right.

You throw out the lead crap again trying to say I'm wrong?

I agree with you on the lead issue, and never said a single word to dispute that.
 
2013-03-08 08:23:46 PM

ialdabaoth: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: My point was; our sun is a big factor in us being warm.

Oh, really? Perhaps you could point to some research that confirms this hypothesis.

Are you seriously still on that 'facts' BS?


Oops. My mistake!
 
2013-03-08 08:24:28 PM

New Age Redneck: We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature?


Right! We'll never split the atom either! And decoding DNA?? How can we be so arrogant??

/just because you are a moran that will never understand science does not mean everyone else is stupid too
 
2013-03-08 08:24:28 PM

ialdabaoth: LookForTheArrow: New Age Redneck: FTFA: future where humans control the thermostat of the planet

    We don't and never will. When did we as a species become so f*cking arrogant that we think we control nature? Mother nature is coldly indifferent to our presence at best, we'll be another species that will go extinct to no fanfare. Sleep tight.

/ could you at least enjoy the ride for chrissakes

you ass. Algae, a motherfarking microbe you can't even see, terra formed the entire planet. 3 billion years later, those same microbes can now dig through the earth and unleash/mine/extract any amount of material we find convenient to extract and you think that's "small fries"?

you moron.

Why do you believe that those microbes ever existed? Why do you believe that "three billion years" even happened? Why do you believe that we live on a "planet"?

How do you intend to argue with someone who is willing to disregard those beliefs in order to maintain their belief that you're full of shiat?


If anything, it's arrogant to think Mother Nature can stop us from killing her if that's what blind idiots want to do to her. But then again, we're talking about the party of rape-rape....
 
2013-03-08 08:25:19 PM

Farking Canuck: But it will be hundreds of years before we will be able to truly stabilize anything ... to actually claim control.


You are hilarious. Stupendously hilarious.
When has the Earth's climate EVER been stable, other than in your non-to-powerful imagination?
Wait, I'll answer that: NEVER.
Truly Amazing.
 
2013-03-08 08:25:41 PM

Civil_War2_Time: I said: "Politics, policies, and TV/Internet" scare people into being funded more. Grants, commercials, page clicks, etc. ALL fall into what I said, and I'm 100% right.


Okay, please point to studies that got increased funding after confirming global warming due to "scariness"
 
2013-03-08 08:27:09 PM

gopher321: Ha ha drown you lowland bastards, heh heh-wait. I'm one of those lowland bastards.

Crap.


Im in Nebraska have fun :)
 
2013-03-08 08:28:04 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Farking Canuck: But it will be hundreds of years before we will be able to truly stabilize anything ... to actually claim control.

You are hilarious. Stupendously hilarious.
When has the Earth's climate EVER been stable, other than in your non-to-powerful imagination?
Wait, I'll answer that: NEVER.
Truly Amazing.


He's not talking about stabilizing the climate, Sir Robin.  He's referring to stabilizing and claiming control over our emissions/effect on the environment.
 
2013-03-08 08:28:09 PM

oren0: Kazan: 10^12 tons. 1,000,000,000,000. TERATONS of Carbon.

Human activity is adding TERATONS of Carbon. It's called the "Law of Extremely Large Numbers". One human is insignificant. 7 billion humans are not.

What percentage of the CO2 in the atmosphere is that? How does the annual amount compare to the amount emitted by natural processes, such as decaying trees or the ocean? Hint: it's about two orders of magnitude smaller.


Did you know that the temperature difference between ice and liquid water is about two orders of magnitude smaller than the actual temperature of ice?

Did you know that the distance between "I'm safe on the sidewalk" and "I'm in the middle of the damn road and will be promptly hit by a car" is about two orders of magnitude smaller than the length of a city block?

Funny how little variations can wind up mattering.
 
2013-03-08 08:29:49 PM
LookForTheArrow:
If anything, it's arrogant to think Mother Nature can stop us from killing her if that's what blind idiots want to do to her. But then again, we're talking about the party of rape-rape....

At least they have the balls to be the party of rape, genocide, racism, environmental destruction and all the other things that have kept our species strong and dominant. Really, they're the party of blind instinctual dominance - which has *always* been the winning strategy.
 
2013-03-08 08:30:37 PM

Malenfant: Oldiron_79:

The one where Florida is swallowed by the sea, duh

The problem in Florida is the people, and most aren't quite stupid enough to sit at home and drown as the waters rise.  Do you want to deal with Floridian refugees?

The state will eventually collapse into one big sinkhole, but it's in our best interest to keep Floridians in Florida where they can entertain us from a distance for as long as possible.


Put them in one of the square western states with nothing of value in it like Kansas or Wyoming, then put a fence around it.
 
2013-03-08 08:31:54 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kazan: if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.

Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.


sigdiamond2000: We're in the hotter part of space now.

Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.


No, no, no.

We've got it ALL figured out!

Surely the conditions will be EXACTLY the same throughout our travels around the galactic core. It would ludicrous to believe that there could be other factors involved that may be worth investigating.
 
2013-03-08 08:32:00 PM

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: My point was; our sun is a big factor in us being warm.

Oh, really? Perhaps you could point to some research that confirms this hypothesis.


I said the sun is a factor in us being warm; not that it is necessarily a factor in warming trends. I was also pointing out that it is known that the sun goes in cycles. Here's a handy little article from the Goddard center concerning sun spots.


http://web.archive.org/web/20070823050403/http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gs f c/spacesci/solarexp/sunspot.htm

(Copy paste)
 
2013-03-08 08:32:58 PM
although i agree that warming is happening and is anthropomorphic, can anyone provide me with links about why warming is bad? it seems to me that preventing the end of the holocene interglacial is a good idea.
 
2013-03-08 08:37:18 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: although i agree that warming is happening and is anthropomorphic, can anyone provide me with links about why warming is bad? it seems to me that preventing the end of the holocene interglacial is a good idea.


Some warming is 'not' bad, and if it is, indeed, keeping us from descending into a minor ice age, then it's more than good, it's a great thing.

The problem lies in the fact that our warming is uncontrolled, unregulated and often completely denied by the people in charge.

The difference is, quite simply, comparing a furnace running to keep the house warm, to the house being engulfed in flames and the home owners are denying that the fire even exists, and even if it did exist, it's an Act of God and not something we should concern ourselves with.
 
2013-03-08 08:37:31 PM

iheartscotch: I said the sun is a factor in us being warm; not that it is necessarily a factor in warming trends.


Oh, I see. You can't differentiate between weather and climate.
 
2013-03-08 08:37:50 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: although i agree that warming is happening and is anthropomorphic, can anyone provide me with links about why warming is bad? it seems to me that preventing the end of the holocene interglacial is a good idea.


TLDR version: Human civilization has built its cities and roads and what-not based on the assumption that drinkable water, food-growing land, and the like tend to stay put from decade to decade. Climate change will cause a lot of areas which currently get enough water to stop getting water, and a bunch of areas which currently get enough rain and sun to grow food to stop getting enough rain and sun to grow food. Suddenly, a lot of people have to migrate in order to survive, and during that migration they'll have to cross a bunch of national borders and violate a lot of political and cultural assumptions. That wouldn't be a problem, if humans weren't so instinctively territorial, but since they are, it's pretty much inevitable that a subset of them will freak the fark out and wind up killing millions or even billions of people.

Does that make sense?
 
2013-03-08 08:38:53 PM

ialdabaoth: LookForTheArrow:
If anything, it's arrogant to think Mother Nature can stop us from killing her if that's what blind idiots want to do to her. But then again, we're talking about the party of rape-rape....

At least they have the balls to be the party of rape, genocide, racism, environmental destruction and all the other things that have kept our species strong and dominant. Really, they're the party of blind instinctual dominance - which has *always* been the winning strategy.


you're not at all wrong about the 'winning strategy' of unthinking dominance ... right up to the invention of the nuclear weapon, that was true. Conscious evolution is many thousands times faster than the natural version; we can only hope half the population becomes vegan homosexuals.

in fact, the only real future we have if the republican party is completely wrong. Thankfully, that's the case, even if seeing a tree for the forest makes us think things aren't changing sociopolitically, i do actually believe "adapt or die" will shortly refer to these out-of-balance individuals.

Apropos, the initiative by news corp to give out "educational tablets" to marginalize teachers (i'm all for teaching tech, just not stupid, biased, motivated, unusable teaching tech) is really just a desperate bid to give these numbskulls a few more years.

A few more "big storms" and the pitch forks will come out..
 
2013-03-08 08:40:11 PM

LookForTheArrow: you're not at all wrong about the 'winning strategy' of unthinking dominance ... right up to the invention of the nuclear weapon, that was true. Conscious evolution is many thousands times faster than the natural version; we can only hope half the population becomes vegan homosexuals.


Even after the invention of the nuclear weapon, it's still true. We're slowly reaching a point where we'll either grow past it or die, but we ain't there yet.
 
2013-03-08 08:40:44 PM
ialdabaoth:

Did you know that the distance between "I'm safe on the sidewalk" and "I'm in the middle of the damn road and will be promptly hit by a car" is about two orders of magnitude smaller than the length of a city block?

Funny how little variations can wind up mattering.

www.ace.gatech.edu

preach!
 
2013-03-08 08:42:37 PM

LookForTheArrow: ialdabaoth:

Did you know that the distance between "I'm safe on the sidewalk" and "I'm in the middle of the damn road and will be promptly hit by a car" is about two orders of magnitude smaller than the length of a city block?

Funny how little variations can wind up mattering.
[www.ace.gatech.edu image 444x333]

preach!


Before I became unemployed and occasionally-homeless, I did AI research and complex systems theory. I miss it sometimes.
 
2013-03-08 08:45:07 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: although i agree that warming is happening and is anthropomorphic, can anyone provide me with links about why warming is bad? it seems to me that preventing the end of the holocene interglacial is a good idea.


Because it will cause worldwide drought, and anyone who thinks water can't just disappear is anti-science. Water can totally disappear from the Earth. It goes into, like, dark matter holes in the quantum magnetic field. I saw a graph once.
 
2013-03-08 08:45:54 PM

ialdabaoth: occasionally-homeless, I did AI research and complex syst


have you read "Naturally intelligent systems"? I recommend it for everyone (mostly because it has NO equations or math, it's all enjoyable narrative) and it is one of the three books that changed my life by assuring me that, actually, intelligence is probably quite common and an expected outcome of random chance (that's my opinion, not in the book)

http://books.google.com/books/about/Naturally_Intelligent_Systems.ht ml ?id=34wC4zu_Ql8C

(dad was a freebsd committer (compsci), mother was cognitive science/instructional design. lots of books left around as I grew up)
 
2013-03-08 08:47:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: I said the sun is a factor in us being warm; not that it is necessarily a factor in warming trends.

Oh, I see. You can't differentiate between weather and climate.


I see you don't seem to understand that during peak solar events that the sun throws addition energy out into space. And the sun cycles are typically a decade or so long.

Even if we only recieve .0001% of said energy; it can effect the climate of the earth.

/ I'm not saying that is the only cause; far from it, what I'm saying that solar output can effect us. The earth isn't a closed system
 
2013-03-08 08:48:12 PM

ialdabaoth: GF named my left testicle thundercles: although i agree that warming is happening and is anthropomorphic, can anyone provide me with links about why warming is bad? it seems to me that preventing the end of the holocene interglacial is a good idea.

TLDR version: Human civilization has built its cities and roads and what-not based on the assumption that drinkable water, food-growing land, and the like tend to stay put from decade to decade. Climate change will cause a lot of areas which currently get enough water to stop getting water, and a bunch of areas which currently get enough rain and sun to grow food to stop getting enough rain and sun to grow food. Suddenly, a lot of people have to migrate in order to survive, and during that migration they'll have to cross a bunch of national borders and violate a lot of political and cultural assumptions. That wouldn't be a problem, if humans weren't so instinctively territorial, but since they are, it's pretty much inevitable that a subset of them will freak the fark out and wind up killing millions or even billions of people.

Does that make sense?


i dont know, humans have always been subject to the environment and have ahd to change to adapt. new areas are populated or depopulated throughout history (harrapan civilization for example). It seems that this happens gradually over many centuries and so it gives people time to adapt. although some areas will be less fertile, new ones will open up.
 
2013-03-08 08:48:44 PM
ialdabaoth: occasionally-homeless, I did AI research and complex systems theory. I mis

(oh, and I'm occasionally "homeless" when i camp in my car for weeks writing code for a startup, albeit, by my choice.. stay positive and enjoy the freedom of not being in a cubicle. going insane can be done with a nice paycheck as easily as not)
 
2013-03-08 08:50:32 PM

iheartscotch: I see you don't seem to understand that during peak solar events that the sun throws addition energy out into space. And the sun cycles are typically a decade or so long.


Could you explain how a decade-long event can affect temperatures consistently over 150 years? Could you also point to evidence that this is affecting temperatures?
 
2013-03-08 08:50:58 PM
I'm absolutely 100% for the people biatching about allegedly anthropogenic global warming having their share of resources rationed and having a fund started that they can pay into to (LOL) "offset" carbon emissions. Because, y'know, tossing money at it helps.
 
2013-03-08 08:51:03 PM

Farking Canuck: This is effectively all true. The problems with is are as follows:

- we know how to control it (manage the greenhouse gas %) but the anti-science movement opposes all actions that will enable us to actually turn it down


Let's say it were unequivocally true that AGW was caused by CO2 and was going to be catastrophic. Why is this the only solution? For example, we know that SO2 can cause global cooling (see Mount Pinatubo, 1991). Geoengineering effects such as releasing SO2 into the atmosphere would be hundreds if not thousands of times cheaper than cutting greenhouse gas emissions. Why is it that the only solutions environmentalists will accept are the ones that cost trillions of dollars?
 
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