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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Researchers say the earth is getting warmer faster than at any time in the last 11,000 years and that the world was actually rapidly cooling until SOMETHING made the temperatures start to climb in the early 20th century   (ajc.com ) divider line
    More: Obvious, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, tree rings, ice cores, heat spike  
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2013-03-08 06:47:21 PM  
God did it.
And who are we to question God's will?
 
2013-03-08 06:47:56 PM  

Kazan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.

I've long since learned that bothering to construct a coherent and intelligent argument to refute your trolling is a waste of time. You simply ignore all data that disagrees with you (so on this subject: all data period) and continue to troll.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.

you fail at basic thermodynamics. try looking up the matter and energy densities of the interstellar medium, then calculate the amount of energy needed to raise the global mean temperature by even quarter of a degree Celsius and learn why your suggestion that it is the interstellar medium warming us is pants-on-head-retarded.


Listen. This guy is trying to find any reason other than the obvious one so it fits with his political ideology. He's got decades of oil company and GOP propaganda brainwashing to deal with.
 
2013-03-08 06:48:04 PM  
It was the evil oil companies, incorporated 11,000 years ago, that began all this climate trouble!
 
2013-03-08 06:48:05 PM  

Kazan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets see here, our solar system travels about 23,265,520,000 km. a year. So in the 23,265,520,000 X 11,000 km we have traveled I'm going to say that we have changed locations. Maybe just maybe that has more to do with it then some insects called the human race

if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.


You are far more polite than I, good sir.
 
2013-03-08 06:48:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kazan: if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.

Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.


sigdiamond2000: We're in the hotter part of space now.

Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.


For all intents and purposes the cosmic background radiation is entirely uniform in every direction. Seriously, the CMB is  2.72548±0.00057K with the  ±0.00057K accounting for all of the variation you see in those splotchy green and blue maps.
 
2013-03-08 06:48:37 PM  
I guess we'll never know.
 
2013-03-08 06:48:38 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kazan: if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.

Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.


sigdiamond2000: We're in the hotter part of space now.

Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.

Cosmic Background Radiation is at about 4 Kelvin.  You are retarded.


NO, a sociopath. Not retarded. Just likes pissing people off.
 
2013-03-08 06:49:22 PM  

Infernalist: Did not read the article, but wouldn't it be amusing if our mere industrialized presence is keeping the world from slipping back into another Little Ice Age?


While an Ice age would be bad. I think flooding the most densely populated and productive areas and the acceleration of desertification of our farming belts is probably worse for us.
 
jvl
2013-03-08 06:50:04 PM  
According to this study, global warming may be keeping us out of an ice age, and the warming happened between 1930 and 1940 even though actual thermometers failed to observe the warming.

A single study. Let's not overthink this.

/ Although.... 1930s had the most hurricanes in a season until the Katrina-season surpassed it...
 
2013-03-08 06:50:05 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kazan: if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.

Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.


sigdiamond2000: We're in the hotter part of space now.

Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.

Cosmic Background Radiation is at about 4 Kelvin.  You are retarded.


That's a lotta Kelvins:
upload.wikimedia.org
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2013-03-08 06:50:50 PM  

whither_apophis: Ironically, it was the invention of the home refrigerator.


I blame the lawn dart ban.
 
2013-03-08 06:52:08 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 06:53:02 PM  
www.slowpokecomics.com
 
2013-03-08 06:53:12 PM  
It was warmer 800 years ago than it is now, maybe those Vikings were pumping out too many beer farts.

We have just finished the coldest winter in 50+ years, shouldn't someone call up the weather and tell it not to do that?
 
2013-03-08 06:53:14 PM  

Lith: Infernalist: Did not read the article, but wouldn't it be amusing if our mere industrialized presence is keeping the world from slipping back into another Little Ice Age?

While an Ice age would be bad. I think flooding the most densely populated and productive areas and the acceleration of desertification of our farming belts is probably worse for us.


Oh, I don't know...We, as a species, seem to perform best under high pressure.  I still remember the doom and gloom from the scientists and prognosticators back in the early 70s, talking about how India was looking at wide spread death due to famine because of their booming population.

Instead, we had the development of new crops that fed those masses.  Easily.

I suspect at the end of the day, we'll figure something out to handle the increasing temps.  We just need to be REALLY REALLY SCARED before we'll take it seriously.
 
2013-03-08 06:53:16 PM  

TeamEd: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kazan: if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.

Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.


sigdiamond2000: We're in the hotter part of space now.

Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.

For all intents and purposes the cosmic background radiation is entirely uniform in every direction. Seriously, the CMB is  2.72548±0.00057K with the  ±0.00057K accounting for all of the variation you see in those splotchy green and blue maps.



You just got
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-08 06:53:26 PM  
There are forces at work here that humans do not understand.
The Sun is going to swell up and incinerate the Earth, so the clever ones say.
I'm OK with that.

/You're all going to die -- get over it.
 
2013-03-08 06:53:36 PM  
I guaranty that i know more about this subject than anybody on this thread.

Global warming has nothing to do with human beings or any other animal on this planet - it is the height of arrongance to believe we could do such a thing.
 
2013-03-08 06:53:39 PM  
It's the O-Zone and the G-Spot.
 
2013-03-08 06:53:41 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-08 06:54:24 PM  
Too bad. I'd rather live in an ice age than this 115 degrees every day during the summer crap we've got going now. Fewer people too. Whee!
Of course if an ice age did hit I'd probably be one of the first to die, but...fark it!
 
2013-03-08 06:55:06 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets see here, our solar system travels about 23,265,520,000 km. a year. So in the 23,265,520,000 X 11,000 km we have traveled I'm going to say that we have changed locations. Maybe just maybe that has more to do with it then some insects called the human race


Wow. I didn't realize the deniers were already having to reach into interstellar space for rationalizations.
 
2013-03-08 06:55:34 PM  
So obviously, the solution is to

1. Give billions of dollars to the scientists
2. Round up everyone, exterminate 90% of the Earth's population (excluding scientists, supermodels, and asian porn starlets of course), and force the remaining 10% to shiver in unlit caves and allowed to only eat their own dung & wear clothes made only out of their own hair  (again, excluding scientists, supermodels, and asian porn starlets, who will have mansions).
 
2013-03-08 06:55:41 PM  
madmikesamerica.com
 
2013-03-08 06:55:54 PM  

sbking: I guaranty that i know more about this subject than anybody on this thread.

Global warming has nothing to do with human beings or any other animal on this planet - it is the height of arrongance to believe we could do such a thing.


*guarantee.
 
2013-03-08 06:56:45 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 06:57:01 PM  
This research brought to you by the DNC based on truth, fact and absolutely positively no missing variables taken from the data.
 
2013-03-08 06:57:25 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: sigdiamond2000: We're in the hotter part of space now.

Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.


So the temperature increased on all the planets in the solar system in a likewise fashion?  Did the sun also get hotter when we got to this area of space?  We're in danger of Jupiter, and the other gas giants, boiling off!  Oh noes!
 
2013-03-08 06:57:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: So obviously, the solution is to

1. Give billions of dollars to the scientists
2. Round up everyone, exterminate 90% of the Earth's population (excluding scientists, supermodels, and asian porn starlets of course), and force the remaining 10% to shiver in unlit caves and allowed to only eat their own dung & wear clothes made only out of their own hair  (again, excluding scientists, supermodels, and asian porn starlets, who will have mansions).


You can live in a cave if you want.  I'm not saying that's wrong or anything, but you'd have to be retarded to actually think that's what people are advocating.

So, are you retarded or just bad at arguing your point?
 
2013-03-08 06:57:49 PM  

serial_crusher: So, if that rapid cooling had continued, that would have been a bad thing too, right?


To some degree yes. But on a dramatically slower scale ... centuries instead of decades.

The earth's Milankovitch cycle is about 100,000 years long with about 90,000 of those years cold and 10,000 years warm. These are very rough numbers as there are three forces overlapping/interfering to make the exact cycle difficult to nail down.

We have been in the warm part of the cycle for more than 10,000 years so we are due to head into the cold part ... i.e. the ice age. Which is what the data in this article is showing.

So it looks like AGW has delayed the cold cycle. In fact, had AGW not happened now, I would suggest that a few thousand years from now man would have intentionally started it to stave off or blunt the coming ice age.

So all that is well and good. Here's the problem: current AGW is too fast and out of control. We are trapping massive amounts of energy into the system and we are doing nothing to mitigate or control it.

All attempts to get any kind handle on the system are met by denier's and their anti-science campaign. The powerful heating of the greenhouse effect is completely swamping the current weak cooling of the Milankovitch cycle and deniers are trying to make us all put our collective heads into the sand.

The math is actually pretty simple ... calculate the volume of air and water on the earth and calculate how much energy it takes to raise it all by 1 degree C. It is a staggering amount ... and there is no way we will not be impacted by this much extra energy: more violent storms, sea level rises due to melting and density change, local climate changes, etc.
 
2013-03-08 06:57:53 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Didn't man invent beer around that time?



A little further back in time than that, bro.

www.distantmirror.discoveryworld.org
 
2013-03-08 06:59:22 PM  

TV's Vinnie: So obviously, the solution is to

1. Give billions of dollars to the scientists
2. Round up everyone, exterminate 90% of the Earth's population (excluding scientists, supermodels, and asian porn starlets of course), and force the remaining 10% to shiver in unlit caves and allowed to only eat their own dung & wear clothes made only out of their own hair  (again, excluding scientists, supermodels, and asian porn starlets, who will have mansions).


ksj.mit.edu
 
2013-03-08 06:59:29 PM  

sbking: I guaranty that i know more about this subject than anybody on this thread.


Well, I guess that setels it.

Also, [citation needed]
 
2013-03-08 06:59:46 PM  

Tillmaster: sbking: I guaranty that i know more about this subject than anybody on this thread.

Global warming has nothing to do with human beings or any other animal on this planet - it is the height of arrongance to believe we could do such a thing.

*guarantee.


He's kind of a climate change insurance man.
 
2013-03-08 07:00:10 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: It was the evil oil companies, incorporated 11,000 years ago, that began all this climate trouble!


upload.wikimedia.org


don't be stupid.

/too late.
 
2013-03-08 07:00:46 PM  

Infernalist: You can live in a cave if you want. I'm not saying that's wrong or anything, but you'd have to be retarded to actually think that's what people are advocating.


I'm not, and they are.
 
2013-03-08 07:03:01 PM  
Marcott's data indicates that it took 4,000 years for the world to warm about 1.25 degrees from the end of the ice age to about 7,000 years ago. The same fossil-based data suggest a similar level of warming occurring in just one generation: from the 1920s to the 1940s. Actual thermometer records don't show the rise from the 1920s to the 1940s was quite that big and Marcott said for such recent time periods it is better to use actual thermometer readings than his proxies.

Hey look, it's Michael Mann's Nature Trick(TM) again! Your data is for 11,000 years. Of those, we can only compare 100 to instrumental temperature readings, and those don't line up. It's OK, though, just staple temperature readings on the end of your proxy results and then claim the warming is unprecedented.

Which is more likely? That this proxy is accurate for 10,900 years, but happens to be inaccurate for the only 100 years we can actually check, or that this proxy is crap for the whole period?
 
2013-03-08 07:03:38 PM  

Kazan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets see here, our solar system travels about 23,265,520,000 km. a year. So in the 23,265,520,000 X 11,000 km we have traveled I'm going to say that we have changed locations. Maybe just maybe that has more to do with it then some insects called the human race

if you really think this is the cause, then you are a jackass.


Why did you feel the need to insult jackasses? You have hurt my mule's feelings. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-08 07:03:47 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Infernalist: You can live in a cave if you want. I'm not saying that's wrong or anything, but you'd have to be retarded to actually think that's what people are advocating.

I'm not, and they are.


okay, so you're just really really bad at arguing your point.

See, when you deliberately misconstrue what the other side is saying or suggesting, people automatically take your opinion and throw it out the window and label you as a 'strawman' user.

Now, you can use that strawman in any way that you like, I mean, it's a free country and you can abuse that bastard all you like, but you can't complain or get sad when people stop and ask you why you're not wearing your droolcup or your helmet.

In short, address the actual 'reality' of what they're suggesting instead of something you made up to make them look worse than they actually are.

Or you can keep on being really really bad at this whole 'debating' thing.  It's up to you.
 
2013-03-08 07:05:10 PM  

serial_crusher: So, if that rapid cooling had continued, that would have been a bad thing too, right?


We'd be having the same discussion, only trolls would be denying that the world is getting cooler, posting graphs showing how things are really much warmer today, and ignorantly declaring that anything will be bad about a colder world.

SSDD.
 
2013-03-08 07:05:14 PM  
s24.postimage.org
 
2013-03-08 07:06:33 PM  

Kazan: HotIgneous Intruder: It was the evil oil companies, incorporated 11,000 years ago, that began all this climate trouble!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]


don't be stupid.

/too late.


I don't think that is adjusted for anomalies in the stratosphere, here's the updated version.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 07:06:57 PM  
This thread needs some more derp. Kirk Cameron it is!

cdn.videogum.com
 
2013-03-08 07:07:43 PM  
Wow, the Koch-funded alts are out in force... I guess that's Friday night for ya.
 
2013-03-08 07:07:44 PM  

Infernalist: You can live in a cave if you want. I'm not saying that's wrong or anything, but you'd have to be retarded to actually think that's what people are advocating.

So, are you retarded or just bad at arguing your point?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RoxNpjIAkw

http://www.amerika.org/texts/interview-with-garrett-hardin-from-the- so cial-contract-fall-1997-craig-straub/

"Killing is part of life, you see - one of the things that has to be done. I have always had very strong emotions about this matter, very negative emotions about so many people who claim to love animals. There were people in Kansas who had cats they didn't want. They would drive out from Kansas City and when they got out to the farms, they would let the cats out and drive on, because that way they weren't killing the cat They weren't being cruel. They thought, "It will find a good home." I'm sure that was their attitude. Well, we were on the farm. Those cats wandered onto our farm, so what do you do? Well, the dogs would kill them. They distinguished between the visitor cats and the home cats. When they saw a visitor cat... particularly when our little fox terrier saw a strange cat, boy, he'd kill it if he possibly could. And he usually could." -- Garret Hardin
 
2013-03-08 07:08:31 PM  

iheartscotch: Kazan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Wow with debating skills like that I am forced to recant.

I've long since learned that bothering to construct a coherent and intelligent argument to refute your trolling is a waste of time. You simply ignore all data that disagrees with you (so on this subject: all data period) and continue to troll.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Could be. Cosmic background radiation does differ from point to point in the vacuum. And if you really believe that we have discovered and understand all the forces in play in our universe than you are just plain wrong.

you fail at basic thermodynamics. try looking up the matter and energy densities of the interstellar medium, then calculate the amount of energy needed to raise the global mean temperature by even quarter of a degree Celsius and learn why your suggestion that it is the interstellar medium warming us is pants-on-head-retarded.

No interstellar mediums, eh? What, pray tell, would you call the sun then, if I may ask?


An interstellar clairvoyant?
 
2013-03-08 07:09:13 PM  
news.bbc.co.uk
 
2013-03-08 07:09:14 PM  

serial_crusher: So, if that rapid cooling had continued, that would have been a bad thing too, right?


Yes, but that will likely not be a talking point.
 
2013-03-08 07:10:27 PM  

JRoo: So global warming has saved us from an advancing ice age?

Sweet.

Now we just have to figure out how to slow it down and control it.


This is effectively all true. The problems with is are as follows:

- we know how to control it (manage the greenhouse gas %) but the anti-science movement opposes all actions that will enable us to actually turn it down

- we are already too high

- there is a large lag in the system and we are already going to way overshoot our ideal temperature. It is already too late to stop things from getting bad ... if we act now all we can to is reduce how bad and for how long.

I do small scale reactor controller programming as one of my many jobs and lag is a biatch ... makes control difficult.
 
2013-03-08 07:10:36 PM  

sbking: I guaranty that i know more about this subject than anybody on this thread.

Global warming has nothing to do with human beings or any other animal on this planet - it is the height of arrongance to believe we could do such a thing.


Oh!  Well, I'm definitely convinced now.  All I need is someone to guarantee that they know more than anyone else on a Fark thread to convince me.
 
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