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(Yahoo)   Old Man McCain shows his pimp hand: "If Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he's talking about"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 226
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2013-03-09 07:54:52 AM  
If Senator McCain wants to be taken seriously, he needs to stop his endless warmongering. Bomb bomb Iran. Intervene in Libya, Intervene in Syria. He should stop overcompensating for the fact that he got shot down in Vietnam and was a POW.
 
2013-03-09 08:21:28 AM  

vernonFL: McCain is right.


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If you want to be taken seriously, you can't pull cheap political stunts just to get your base riled up.


like suspending your campaign to rescue the economy.
 
2013-03-09 08:29:56 AM  
"If Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts..."

Seriously, what do the repubs have left? They can't propose anything substantive, i.e., amenable to negotiation. That will only brand them as RINOs. When their initiative look like they might pass they kill them themselves--God help them if they actually have a track record and have to follow through on it. All they can do is repeat the same old unworkable sound bites--lower taxes even more! Privatize Social Security!--and pray that nobody catches on as the good ol' indestructible US economy pulls itself out of its daze like a punch-drunk fighter and staggers to its feet for another round. Then they can claim that they saved the economy, that obstructing Democratic stimulus and recovery plans prevented a total disaster rather than prolonging the recession. And it might work. The repub strategy is based on the assumption that people are stupid enough to be manipulated, the Democrats' on the assumption that people are smart enough to see which side their bread is buttered on. At least at the state level, the repub strategy seems to be working.
 
2013-03-09 08:47:41 AM  
McCain is completely out of touch. He thinks civil liberty is nothing to be concerned about. I thinks everything will be fine as long as the Republicans are in charge.  Young people don't have any money so they don't really care about economic liberty but they sure as hell recognize that their civil liberty is under attack.
 
2013-03-09 09:38:51 AM  
You all think he's great now but in a month he'll be telling us how he was the guy that inspired Paul to filibuster and how he's against building that wall on the border now.

McCain is a douche. The Republican version of Hillary Clinton. The fact that you agree with him on this issue should be setting off alarms in your head but you ignore them because...Obama.
 
2013-03-09 10:32:55 AM  

badhatharry: McCain is completely out of touch. He thinks civil liberty is nothing to be concerned about. I thinks everything will be fine as long as the Republicans are in charge.  Young people don't have any money so they don't really care about economic liberty but they sure as hell recognize that their civil liberty is under attack.


You think Paul's juvenile, pointless stunt had something to do with "civil liberties"?
Do you like bridges? I've got a really neat one I'm thinking of selling.
It's in Brooklyn, NYC.
 
2013-03-09 10:56:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: schrodinger: MattStafford: Just so we're on the same page, you are currently making the argument that President has the ability to kill whoever he wants, for whatever reason he wants, as long as we are at "war"?

Just so we're on the same page, you are currently making the argument that you have the ability to lie and say whatever you want, made up for whatever reason, because you don't like to admit that your wrong.

I asked you to define the exact conditions that allow soldiers on the battlefield to take a life.  When is it okay for a soldier to shoot someone?  When is it not okay?  If you can't answer a question about the powers of a lowly soldier, then how do you expect me to answer the same question about the US president?  Presumably, the President has all of the same authorization that a soldier does, and more.

Does a regular soldier have the ability to kill whoever he wants, for whatever reason he wants, so long as we are are at "war"?  No?  Then you're either relying on a strawman, or you're just being a total idiot.

He's being a total idiot. Or he's 19 and really thinks  the world works like his Poli Sci professor taught him it should.

Obtuse people irk the shiat out of me.


Yup. That and if he was half way intelligent he would Google "Law of Land Warfare" and the Geneva Convention which pretty clearly lays out exactly what are valid military targets, protected statuses, justification for force, and what "Imminent Threat" is.

Honestly, hearing idiots go on about how "Imminent Threat" isn't defined in the letters is extremely frustrating. Its kind of like an idiot bursting in to a math class and going "Whoa, whoa, whoa, what does 'negative' actually mean?". Its a bit of terminology that you are expected to know before discussing the topic, and thoroughly shows you have no clue about the subject and probably shouldn't be allowed to make any decisions.
 
2013-03-09 11:01:09 AM  

nubzers: thoroughly shows you have no clue about the subject and probably shouldn't be allowed to make any decisions.


To be fair, the fact that no one here is allowed to make decisions regarding national security is pretty much a given.
 
2013-03-09 11:01:30 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm sorry, but if your name is Rand then you have no credibility to begin with. You're nothing more than the physical manifestation of a really horrible ideology. Recognizing that fact needs to be the starting point of our analysis every time this douche nozzle opens his mouth.


Mr.Dog ate my homework is right, you should have a respectful name before anything you say is taken seriously.
 
2013-03-09 11:57:02 AM  
All you need to know about John McCain can be gleaned from the disgraceful 2000 campaign that Rove and Bush ran against him.

McCain was probably an asshole before that, but he became a truly changed man afterward. I think it's the point where he lost all sense of morality and principle; and just decided to focus on power for power's sake.
 
2013-03-09 12:23:57 PM  

contrapunctus: All you need to know about John McCain can be gleaned from the disgraceful 2000 campaign that Rove and Bush ran against him.

McCain was probably an asshole before that, but he became a truly changed man afterward. I think it's the point where he lost all sense of morality and principle; and just decided to focus on power for power's sake.



I don't know if McCain is mentally stable anymore or not.... but he doesn't seem to be solving any problems these days.   Much like Harry Reid, he is the old guard that needs changed.
He ain't worth a bucket of warm spit these days.


/he graduated bottom of his class.
//maybe he was not all that smart to start
 
2013-03-09 12:24:19 PM  

thurstonxhowell: nubzers: thoroughly shows you have no clue about the subject and probably shouldn't be allowed to make any decisions.

To be fair, the fact that no one here is allowed to make decisions regarding national security is pretty much a given.


That part was more geared towards congressman that throw hissy fits instead of, you know, actually doing his job.
 
2013-03-09 12:50:14 PM  

schrodinger: MasterThief: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 400x266]

Sorry old man, Rand Paul just displayed more principle twelve hours than you've done in the last eight years.  STFU and GBTW.

Crotchrocket Slim: MattStafford: My god, Fark.  It is mindblowing to me how much you slobber the establishment's knob.

Well as long as you get to feel better than anyone else without examining anything of substance McCain has said, or any of the reasons people are actually criticizing Paul's filibustering

Rand Paul spent 13 hours attacking a strawman that no one was defending in the first place (whether or not the US can use drone attacks on US soil against NON-COMBATIVEcitizens on US soil.) That's not standing up for principle, that's being an attention whore.

That would bbe like me wasting 13 hours on a speech on why it would be wrong for Ron Paul to kill hobos, and the declaring when Ron Paul says he's already against it.


Nice way to sum it up.
 
2013-03-09 12:54:33 PM  
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2013-03-09 01:01:22 PM  

jso2897: badhatharry: McCain is completely out of touch. He thinks civil liberty is nothing to be concerned about. I thinks everything will be fine as long as the Republicans are in charge.  Young people don't have any money so they don't really care about economic liberty but they sure as hell recognize that their civil liberty is under attack.

You think Paul's juvenile, pointless stunt had something to do with "civil liberties"?
Do you like bridges? I've got a really neat one I'm thinking of selling.
It's in Brooklyn, NYC.


You don't like the bridge? Selling it already? You just bought it from me last month!!!

If Paul's "stunt" was pointless, why did Obama and Eric Holder fold under its pressure? They got caught up in trying to say it was OK for Obammy to kill people without due process and Paul called them on it. Good for Paul and thanks to him for sticking up for us real Americans.
 
2013-03-09 01:05:32 PM  

1derful: Infernalist: I think we can safely say that no one on here, aside from a few well known partisans, cares about this subject.  When you boil it down, you get the simple reality that the American people trust this President.

If that were really the case, the American people would be imbeciles beyond hope. The fact is that most Americans with all of their chromosomes should think it's a bad idea for anyone to kill them without due process. But the average guy doesn't have the time or inclination to read the white papers or follow the stories on the internet.

Most major media outlets aren't really covering what's happening. CNN spent more coverage on the fact that lions are carnivores than they did the filibuster.


Whether you believe that the executive does or does not have the power to order the assassination of U.S, citizens, it's an important debate that everyone should care about.


What about Christopher Dorner? Conspiracy theories aside, the only way cops could stop him was by killing him. Why would it have mattered if they did it with a drone or with guns? I certainly wouldn't have given a shiat either way, as long as they got the job done.
 
2013-03-09 02:43:48 PM  

peasants_are_revolting: 1derful: Infernalist: I think we can safely say that no one on here, aside from a few well known partisans, cares about this subject.  When you boil it down, you get the simple reality that the American people trust this President.

If that were really the case, the American people would be imbeciles beyond hope. The fact is that most Americans with all of their chromosomes should think it's a bad idea for anyone to kill them without due process. But the average guy doesn't have the time or inclination to read the white papers or follow the stories on the internet.

Most major media outlets aren't really covering what's happening. CNN spent more coverage on the fact that lions are carnivores than they did the filibuster.


Whether you believe that the executive does or does not have the power to order the assassination of U.S, citizens, it's an important debate that everyone should care about.

What about Christopher Dorner? Conspiracy theories aside, the only way cops could stop him was by killing him. Why would it have mattered if they did it with a drone or with guns? I certainly wouldn't have given a shiat either way, as long as they got the job done.


Aside from the implications of a missile strike on US soil, each Hellfire missile costs @$70,000. I can't envision state or local law enforcement ever using them.
 
2013-03-09 03:23:29 PM  

MattStafford: To continue,


What we all need right now in America is for you to whine about this some more.

Hostile actions against US Citizens happen every day in this country(without any form of due process), where a person is perceived to be a threat, and is  executed by some entity of the State, because he/she doesn't comply with the order of the State to surrender peacefully. And don't allState  armed entities now carry talon type bullets that do massive damage to the person being shot, which in itself a crime against, even most guilty parties, like a thief don't deserve to be shot with a round that fragments on impact a scatters through the body.

And BTW, Police forces  are now using drones for surveillance , which means  arming them is right around the corner. The Military use of drones is  the smaller of these potential threats. Wait until Sheriff Joe or that Cript Lady Governor from Arizona gets their hands on this technology.
 
2013-03-09 03:35:30 PM  
"Pimp hand"? More like "yells at cloud."

McCain can fulminate all he likes, nobody who matters gives a crap. Rand Paul was right.
 
2013-03-09 04:46:57 PM  

MasterThief: The second letter is an actual no. (A no to a slightly different question than was first asked, but still a no, and in writing.)

Yes, Paul was grandstanding. But when you get an evasive response to an important question, grandstanding is in order. Kudos to Paul for getting the actual "no." And fark McCain for complaining about it. Paul just did what McCain no longer has the spine to do.



THIS. I like Ron Paul, and while his son is a handsome fella, he's also a butthead.

However, if the butthead is the only person in either party who will stick up for civil liberties, more power to him.
 
2013-03-09 05:09:56 PM  

cloud_van_dame: MasterThief: The second letter is an actual no. (A no to a slightly different question than was first asked, but still a no, and in writing.)

Yes, Paul was grandstanding. But when you get an evasive response to an important question, grandstanding is in order. Kudos to Paul for getting the actual "no." And fark McCain for complaining about it. Paul just did what McCain no longer has the spine to do.


THIS. I like Ron Paul, and while his son is a handsome fella, he's also a butthead.

However, if the butthead is the only person in either party who will stick up for civil liberties, more power to him.


Except in this case, he was "standing up to civil liberties" against a strawman that no one was advocating in the first place.
 
2013-03-09 05:34:24 PM  

jjorsett: "Pimp hand"? More like "yells at cloud."

McCain can fulminate all he likes, nobody who matters gives a crap. Rand Paul was right.


One guy is old and senile.  The other is young and crazy.  They'd make a great buddy cop movie.
 
2013-03-10 05:08:39 PM  

Lochsteppe: Empty Matchbook: Lochsteppe: regindyn: Most of your party's membership will die off in the next 15 years, McCain.  Maybe getting some young blood isn't a terrible strategy.

Getting some smart new blood in an aging party: Good idea
Getting some fantastically, belligerently dumb new blood in an aging party: Potato idea

THIS!!

For God's sake, people, RAND PAUL isn't riling up members of the base who'll think critically and make informed decisions, he's riling up members who'll be taken in by BS stunts and political posturing. You know, the kinds of people who champion RON PAUL while denying his obvious, gaping flaws.

"Paultard" is actually a medical condition.


Oh...oh I...I had no idea. I feel so bad now. Is there a charity I can donate?
 
2013-03-10 07:00:17 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Lochsteppe: Empty Matchbook: Lochsteppe: regindyn: Most of your party's membership will die off in the next 15 years, McCain.  Maybe getting some young blood isn't a terrible strategy.

Getting some smart new blood in an aging party: Good idea
Getting some fantastically, belligerently dumb new blood in an aging party: Potato idea

THIS!!

For God's sake, people, RAND PAUL isn't riling up members of the base who'll think critically and make informed decisions, he's riling up members who'll be taken in by BS stunts and political posturing. You know, the kinds of people who champion RON PAUL while denying his obvious, gaping flaws.

"Paultard" is actually a medical condition.

Oh...oh I...I had no idea. I feel so bad now. Is there a charity I can donate?


ronpaul-2012.org

GIVE ME MONEY!!!
 
2013-03-10 09:58:02 PM  
Yes, because it isn't as though Obama, firing up kids in their dorm rooms in 2006-7 had anything to do with his political success in 2008 and 2012.

Seriously McCain, you do realize that banking on people just swinging to the right when they hit 45 isn't working anymore, right?
 
2013-03-10 11:45:17 PM  

schrodinger: Empty Matchbook: Lochsteppe: Empty Matchbook: Lochsteppe: regindyn: Most of your party's membership will die off in the next 15 years, McCain.  Maybe getting some young blood isn't a terrible strategy.

Getting some smart new blood in an aging party: Good idea
Getting some fantastically, belligerently dumb new blood in an aging party: Potato idea

THIS!!

For God's sake, people, RAND PAUL isn't riling up members of the base who'll think critically and make informed decisions, he's riling up members who'll be taken in by BS stunts and political posturing. You know, the kinds of people who champion RON PAUL while denying his obvious, gaping flaws.

"Paultard" is actually a medical condition.

Oh...oh I...I had no idea. I feel so bad now. Is there a charity I can donate?

[ronpaul-2012.org image 600x125]

GIVE ME MONEY!!!


I'll get right on-waaaaait a miiinute!
 
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