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2013-03-08 06:04:28 PM
EA is run by an evil douchelord.....this latest clusterfark is just one in a long line of anti-consumer moves that this douchelord has implemented....it has nothing to do with making the best games, it only has to do with maximizing profit.
 
2013-03-08 06:05:30 PM
Teiritzamna:
Let me say it this way, perhaps.  Assume Ford produces a car that is terribly terribly flawed.  It is possible to make the cars run, but to do so would require some unlawful act.  You as a consumer have, again, three choices.  You can buy the shiatbox and use it as a paper weight.  You can say "screw you Ford," and walk away. Or you can do the illegal act.  Note: you have no right to a ford.  None.  Ford has all the rights in the world to make a terrible product, and you have all the rights in the world to not buy it.  But saying "hey they mad a stupid car so i had to do this illegal thing to make it work!  It's Ford's fault" is a fallacy.

The correct answer is to watch ford go down in flames because of their stupid decision and not drive that car.



That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Are you saying if I buy this Ford I am not allowed to say lite it on fire or tear it down to nuts and bolts? I own the Ford I can do whatever I want to it... and games should be the same way.
 
2013-03-08 06:05:30 PM

fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: bicycle

This only works if you are stealing a bicycle.

[media.tumblr.com image 235x206]

Are you a lawyer? I assure you have not missed the point.


Sure, I'm a lawyer so fark you.
 
2013-03-08 06:06:09 PM
I'm playing through ME for the first time cause I just found the 3 game pack at GS for pretty cheap on PS3. Can anyone tell me if the DLC that apparently fixed the end of ME3 is part of that 3 game release? or do I still have to download it?
 
2013-03-08 06:07:09 PM
Well, EA has been shiatting out turds for a while now, and you morons just keep giving them 60 bucks. Why should they change?

EA could release a game called 'Turd in a box' that is literally just a turd in a box for 60 bucks and people would still buy it just to post online how bad it was. End result is EA gets rich and dumb suckers get to feel morally superior.


STOP BUYING EA PRODUCTS
 
2013-03-08 06:08:54 PM

Teiritzamna: HeartBurnKid: As you acknowledge this, then surely you must realize that making it even harder to pay and use your paid-for product, while not impeding those who would get it without paying at all, is not a productive approach?

Oh of course - but my original and consistent argument has nothing to do with EA and its ridiculously stupid actions. Of course the company is making it such that the only way the games are functional is through unlawful means. But that is a different question.


No, it's not.  While it's hard to think of an example as spectacularly illustrative as the one EA has given us (Diablo 3 and Assassin's Creed 2 come close, but even those do not come close to the depths of the failure here), almost all DRM fundamentally makes the purchased product more difficult to use than otherwise.  I say "almost all" because there are some, like Steam, that actually make things easier in some respects even as they make them more difficult in others, and then it simply becomes a question of the balance between.

Teiritzamna: Let me say it this way, perhaps. Assume Ford produces a car that is terribly terribly flawed. It is possible to make the cars run, but to do so would require some unlawful act. You as a consumer have, again, three choices. You can buy the shiatbox and use it as a paper weight. You can say "screw you Ford," and walk away. Or you can do the illegal act. Note: you have no right to a ford. None. Ford has all the rights in the world to make a terrible product, and you have all the rights in the world to not buy it. But saying "hey they mad a stupid car so i had to do this illegal thing to make it work! It's Ford's fault" is a fallacy.

The correct answer is to watch ford go down in flames because of their stupid decision and not drive that car.


Oh, I completely agree, and I am not trying to justify anybody's piracy.  What I am doing is asking for a justification for intrusive DRM, as I believe there is none.  The idea that "we have to have this DRM to address piracy" is as big a fallacy as "I have to pirate due to the DRM", because DRM does not impede piracy.  It only impedes legitimate users.
 
2013-03-08 06:09:48 PM

danknerd: That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Are you saying if I buy this Ford I am not allowed to say lite it on fire or tear it down to nuts and bolts? I own the Ford I can do whatever I want to it... and games should be the same way.


Sigh.  I realized that i messed up in the hypo - that problem being that the person with the car paid for it.  Which adds a moral/ethical justification.  So fair point, and hypo withdrawn.
 
2013-03-08 06:10:29 PM

Subtle_Canary: Well, EA has been shiatting out turds for a while now, and you morons just keep giving them 60 bucks. Why should they change?

EA could release a game called 'Turd in a box' that is literally just a turd in a box for 60 bucks and people would still buy it just to post online how bad it was. End result is EA gets rich and dumb suckers get to feel morally superior.


STOP BUYING EA PRODUCTS


I think you're being a bit harsh.

I'm pretty sure they'd have to call it Sim 4 for people to buy into it.
 
2013-03-08 06:11:05 PM

Girion47: BafflerMeal: Girion47: FarkGrudge: Teiritzamna: We could of course have the more reasonable discussion about cost/benefit.  Here, it seems, EA's attempted security was woefully more expensive than the harms it would prevent.  Indeed, the phenomenon i was attempting to discuss above likely means that their security actually encouraged more unlawful acts.

So i would be quite happy to say that in this instance EA's poorly implemented DRM "does not work and is, in fact, completely and utterly pointless"

...is it much of a leap then to say that many games with "always-on" DRM are as poorly implemented?  Some here are extending this sentiment to all games with "always-online" DRM are poorly implemented, though I cannot personally throw my hat in with this crowd (due to ignorancy).

My own person experience certainly suggests it, however (can't express the frustration of one of my  available times to play Diablo 3 is during their weekly server maintenance for a game I always play solo). If I knew of a pirated version of Diablo 3 that let me play solo, I'd have been all over it (even after legitimately purchasing it).

The real problem with this, is that if you look forward by evaluating another industry that's a little ahead in the DRM battle (ie, the movie industry) you will see that the motivation (not justification) for piracy is often the limitations placed on owned software by the DRM itself, which is the sole reason people are so outraged by it.  If DRM can be put in that has NO impact on legitimate owners, then it'd be accepted without hesitation.  But, it never seems to be able to be, as in this case (ie, servers are greatly struggling preventing solo-play).


[Cool-story bro Begins]

Another example of this is I had recently finally upgraded to a big 1080p TV and wanted to start purchasing blu-ray version of movies and add them to my digital DVD collection I have on my media server in my house.  The point of the media server is obvious:  I have several devices t ...



True.  I don't care.  The DMCA is a batshiat crazy piece of legislation.  We're all felons several times a day in the eyes of the CJ system.  I stopped caring about the letter of the law years ago and try to do what I agree with morally.
 
2013-03-08 06:11:49 PM

Obbi: I'm pretty sure they'd have to call it Sim 4 for people to buy into it.


SimTurd 4, with the "flies and maggots" stuff pack.
 
2013-03-08 06:12:17 PM

HeartBurnKid: Oh, I completely agree, and I am not trying to justify anybody's piracy. What I am doing is asking for a justification for intrusive DRM, as I believe there is none. The idea that "we have to have this DRM to address piracy" is as big a fallacy as "I have to pirate due to the DRM", because DRM does not impede piracy. It only impedes legitimate users.


Agreed - 100% agreed.  If you look up thread i even make this point.  However, i find that on the internet there are no shortage of people willing to call a company like EA on its ridiculous self serving bullshiat, but it is rare that people actually call the "so that's why i had to obtain it unlawfully" folks.  That is all I was discussing, which is why i called EA's rampant and obvious dickery irrelevant - i meant irrelevant to my point.
 
2013-03-08 06:12:19 PM

Subtle_Canary: Well, EA has been shiatting out turds for a while now, and you morons just keep giving them 60 bucks. Why should they change?

EA could release a game called 'Turd in a box' that is literally just a turd in a box for 60 bucks and people would still buy it just to post online how bad it was. End result is EA gets rich and dumb suckers get to feel morally superior.


STOP BUYING EA PRODUCTS


No.

i.imgur.com

AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!! HAHAHAHA!

/off to pre-order Polished Turd
//comes with a new skin!
 
2013-03-08 06:13:29 PM
While they aren't giving refunds to pissed off customers, they are suspending their marketing campaign.  One day, this will be a case study in PR classes about what-not-to-do.

EA suspends SimCity marketing campaigns, asks affiliates to 'stop actively promoting' game
 
2013-03-08 06:18:55 PM
You know, I kind of feel bad for the people who work at the lower levels at EA. They're taking all the worst shiat from this, and they're just ordinary schmuck trying to earn a living. Talk about a high-stress job...

You just know the EA CEO and Board of Directors don't give a shiat. They're letting other people suffer and sweat.

It's a shame this company-- a company that (along with Activition) started up trying do things differently from the draconian way Atari ran things in the 70s and 80s-- has actually become WORSE than Atari ever was.

The EA we loved is dead. All that's left is some bastard shell of a corporate entity that sees games as a way to pump customers for money in ever-increasing increments. They sold their soul a long time ago.

I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.
 
2013-03-08 06:23:16 PM

JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: bicycle

This only works if you are stealing a bicycle.

[media.tumblr.com image 235x206]

Are you a lawyer? I assure you have not missed the point.

Sure, I'm a lawyer so fark you.


i.imgur.com

Biggest farking child on the internet.
 
2013-03-08 06:23:21 PM

ZeroCorpse: You know, I kind of feel bad for the people who work at the lower levels at EA. They're taking all the worst shiat from this, and they're just ordinary schmuck trying to earn a living. Talk about a high-stress job...

You just know the EA CEO and Board of Directors don't give a shiat. They're letting other people suffer and sweat.

It's a shame this company-- a company that (along with Activition) started up trying do things differently from the draconian way Atari ran things in the 70s and 80s-- has actually become WORSE than Atari ever was.

The EA we loved is dead. All that's left is some bastard shell of a corporate entity that sees games as a way to pump customers for money in ever-increasing increments. They sold their soul a long time ago.

I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.


Definitely.  AT&T will actually give you a service credit if your phone service stops working.
 
2013-03-08 06:24:24 PM

BafflerMeal: True. I don't care. The DMCA is a batshiat crazy piece of legislation. We're all felons several times a day in the eyes of the CJ system. I stopped caring about the letter of the law years ago and try to do what I agree with morally.


I think, from a professional standpoint, is that there are fundamental differences between whan an average person understands a license to be and what a corporate entity does.  From the standpoint of a company, the DMCA is pretty easy to work around.  The trick is, a company has lawyers who advise it on exactly how to comply, avoid the DMCA's provisions.  For lay people, if they even know if its existence, it feels like a crazy ass law that tells them that they do not own things they think they do.

/Also the statute itself is poorly written on par with the Lanham act or CERCLA.
//ok nothing is as bad as those two
 
2013-03-08 06:27:44 PM

ZeroCorpse: The EA we loved is dead.


EA has always been dead. EA has been dead for 20 years, and like the dead it subsists entirely on sucking the lifeblood out of other gaming companies until there was nothing left but a soulless husk. Origin, Maxis, Bullfrog, Westwood, and now they're doing the same to Bioware. All great, fantastic companies completely devoured by EA's corporate vampires.

fark EA. They are the worst thing that has ever happened to gaming.
 
2013-03-08 06:27:55 PM
EA hasn't gotten a dime of my money in years and thats not about to change until they drop the DRM crap.
 
2013-03-08 06:28:02 PM

ZeroCorpse: I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.


I think pretty lowly of EA, but I don't think any company will ever supplant my hatred of Best Buy. Not even Monsanto or Altria.
 
2013-03-08 06:32:09 PM

The Bestest: ZeroCorpse: I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.

I think pretty lowly of EA, but I don't think any company will ever supplant my hatred of Best Buy. Not even Monsanto or Altria.


Well, Monsanto really does suck.

But EA is killing the gaming industry. They're buying up all the good developers and then turning their work to crap. If gaming dies, it will be because EA pulled the trigger.
 
2013-03-08 06:33:30 PM
Meanwhile, Tropico 4 is now on a week-long sale on Steam.

In my head, the folks at Valve and Kalypso sit at a banquet table, toasting each other with glasses of EA tears.
 
2013-03-08 06:34:17 PM

Rincewind53: Great Janitor: How bad is the video game industry doing?  I have friends who work at the Gamestop Corporate office.  Years ago, Gamestop used to be on the Fortune 500.  Gamestop had piles of money and they used it to do upgrade sections of the corporate office, they bought some off site property to expand their refurbishment department, picked up several companies to expand their brand.  Now, in late January they eliminated several positions in the corporate office as well as closed over 80 stores, dissolving several districts.  Right now is annual review time and so far everyone who's gotten their review back has had poor reviews.  Some think that the company might be gearing up for another round of lay offs, others think the poor reviews are Gamestop's way of avoiding payraises that they've already announced that they can not afford.  Part of the problem is that it's been six years since a major console was released and with the next gen consoles not expected to be out until Maybe December of this year, it's going to be a hard year for Gamestop.  Another problem for Gamestop is the software company's war against used gaming, and Gamestop is their target (and gamers the victims).  They argue that Gamestop has made a billion dollar empire off of used games, but gives none of that money to the software companies (which makes as much sense as Carmax selling used cars but not sending any of that money to the auto makers).  There are several rumors about the next Playstation and Xbox not allowing used games by requiring online connection to verify that the disk is a new disk, to activation codes to on line only.  All moves that will ultimately kill the video game industry, at least the console gaming industry.

Gamestop is dying because of digital distribution, Amazon, and the general price point for new video games. End of story.

Gamestop's fate has very little to do with the do with the health of the video game industry as a whole.


Well that and because they never have Battletoads.
 
2013-03-08 06:34:38 PM

The Bestest: So people didn't learn from Spore, huh?


I did.  I think that's the last time I fell for a major studio release.
 
2013-03-08 06:38:35 PM

HeartBurnKid: Meanwhile, Tropico 4 is now on a week-long sale on Steam.

In my head, the folks at Valve and Kalypso sit at a banquet table, toasting each other with glasses of EA tears.


Valve is the proof you don't need to treat your customers like garbage to make money hand over fist.
 
2013-03-08 06:38:50 PM

fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: bicycle

This only works if you are stealing a bicycle.

[media.tumblr.com image 235x206]

Are you a lawyer? I assure you have not missed the point.

Sure, I'm a lawyer so fark you.

[i.imgur.com image 380x380]

Biggest farking child on the internet.


thechive.files.wordpress.com

I am the law.
 
2013-03-08 06:42:26 PM
Suits making customers miserable, meh.

Suits making our jobs miserable, sigh.

Suits making our pastimes miserable, I WILL CUT YOU!!!?
 
2013-03-08 06:46:02 PM

Ishkur: EA has always been dead. EA has been dead for 20 years, and like the dead it subsists entirely on sucking the lifeblood out of other gaming companies until there was nothing left but a soulless husk. Origin, Maxis, Bullfrog, Westwood, and now they're doing the same to Bioware. All great, fantastic companies completely devoured by EA's corporate vampires.

fark EA. They are the worst thing that has ever happened to gaming.


That's basically what I was going to post.  EA is where good game companies go to die.
 
2013-03-08 06:47:26 PM

pacified: the amount of nerd crying in this is the annoying part.   I get it, the servers aren't working right.  But is it worth all the wrist slitting emo bullshiat?  fark.  You nerds need better priority.


And you know what else else?

Your priority was to click on Fark, click to this thread, and then tell us all about how you feel about what others feel, denigrate the folks that might even read this thread, and then click again to post your 'opinion.'

Trolling or not, that's pretty pathetic. You wanted someone to notice you, you edgy Farker, you. Well, you win. Somebody noticed. Congratulations.
 
2013-03-08 06:49:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Played for 3 hours last night and really enjoyed it. Now I haven't logged on to see if it's still there, but I dont care. It's my first city and it's on a really small map with only 2 other players so I dont plan to mess with it for too long.

That and I had to play with base graphics because I needed a better graphics card for the shiny stuff.

That card is sitting in my car right now, so happy.


It might work better in your computer
 
2013-03-08 06:51:09 PM

HeartBurnKid: Meanwhile, Tropico 4 is now on a week-long sale on Steam.

In my head, the folks at Valve and Kalypso sit at a banquet table, toasting each other with glasses of EA tears.


Thing is, I'd have bought that.. if Tropico itself didn't have an extra layer of DRM too.
 
2013-03-08 07:10:35 PM
I really cannot believe the game is still so farked. It's as if EA and Maxis are just trying to provoke people now, as some kind of social experiment. How far can they push their customers before someone takes the law into their own hands.
 
2013-03-08 07:11:30 PM
It's too bad as I was looking forward to play it this weekend. $80 for a game that is, so hamstrung by DRM? F'k that.
 
2013-03-08 07:13:35 PM
This could have been so easily avoided by simply only selling as many copies of the game right at launch as you have server space to meet the assumption that every copy sold will be online for the first few days. Then trickle more copies out over the next few weeks, as the first round of buyers settles down and plays less frequently. Something like:

Week 1 - 300,000
Week 2 - 100,000
Week 3 - 100,000
Week 4 - as many as will sell
 
2013-03-08 07:16:08 PM

Girion47: Yeah I have no interest in this game.   Off to pirate it!


Just out of curiosity, is that even feasible? Has someone already hacked the source code and released a version that doesn't ping EAs servers for license permission?
 
2013-03-08 07:16:22 PM

The Bestest: HeartBurnKid: Meanwhile, Tropico 4 is now on a week-long sale on Steam.

In my head, the folks at Valve and Kalypso sit at a banquet table, toasting each other with glasses of EA tears.

Thing is, I'd have bought that.. if Tropico itself didn't have an extra layer of DRM too.


I don't know if it's true or not, but Steam Forums say "It's not DRM. It's slightly intrusive at worst, but not DRM. It enables some custom content and doesn't ever prevent you from playing the game."

Kind of like the DRM of Might and Magic Heroes 6. You get extra stuff if your internet is working and you're logged in, but the game still plays fine when the internet is down.
 
2013-03-08 07:16:40 PM

HeartBurnKid: So what do you call it when you are sold a product that does not work and refused a refund? Because I call it a ripoff.


Caveat Emptor.

You should have read the EULA because it's all right there. No Refunds.
 
2013-03-08 07:17:49 PM

J. Frank Parnell: I really cannot believe the game is still so farked. It's as if EA and Maxis are just trying to provoke people now, as some kind of social experiment. How far can they push their customers before someone takes the law into their own hands.


And does what, exactly?
 
2013-03-08 07:19:33 PM

ZeroCorpse: But EA is killing the gaming industry. They're buying up all the good developers and then turning their work to crap. If gaming dies, it will be because EA pulled the trigger.


Because game developers are slaves to publishers and they cannot quit and start their own game studios...

Game devs are going to get tired of EA ruining their shiat and all of EA's best and brightest are going to leave to do their own thing.
 
2013-03-08 07:19:38 PM
Servers Unavailable. See More Info link for details.

More Info.

/seriously
 
2013-03-08 07:24:01 PM

JustFish: I'm playing through ME for the first time cause I just found the 3 game pack at GS for pretty cheap on PS3. Can anyone tell me if the DLC that apparently fixed the end of ME3 is part of that 3 game release? or do I still have to download it?


Not sure, but there's a lot of free downloads for ME3 on PSN anyways (mostly for multiplayer) that you might as well check.
 
2013-03-08 07:24:25 PM

fluffy2097: And does what, exactly?


Use your imagination. Lots of unstable people out there.
 
2013-03-08 07:32:37 PM
CPennypacker: They aren't stealing a physical object.

Teiritzamna: Theft of services


Theft of services isn't stealing a physical object, so Penny's statement is true.

And even then, it would be a misdemeanor since the value of said game is low (In most states, you need to steal $400 for it to be grand larceny, a felony).
 
2013-03-08 07:39:07 PM

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: So what do you call it when you are sold a product that does not work and refused a refund? Because I call it a ripoff.

Caveat Emptor.

You should have read the EULA because it's all right there. No Refunds.


I love this idea that megacorporations are now justified in screwing you because they tell you they'll screw you in a giant, obtuse document you'll only see once they've already screwed you.
 
2013-03-08 07:44:13 PM
www.joymax.org
Works just fine, no waiting, no EA!
 
2013-03-08 07:45:30 PM
aedude01:  this will be a case study in PR classes about what-not-to-do.

Before or after they cover the launch of The Old Republic?
 
2013-03-08 07:47:02 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Servers Unavailable. See More Info link for details.

More Info.

/seriously


Classic EA.
 
2013-03-08 07:48:53 PM

vygramul: As usual, attempts at DRM hose the honest customers, and EA refuses to do right by those customers.

And then they wonder why their stuff is pirated so much.


Oh please. Stuff isn't pirated usually because people are protesting DRM schemes. They usually pirate it because it's "hey, free game".
 
2013-03-08 07:48:59 PM

JustFish: I'm playing through ME for the first time cause I just found the 3 game pack at GS for pretty cheap on PS3. Can anyone tell me if the DLC that apparently fixed the end of ME3 is part of that 3 game release? or do I still have to download it?


I'm not entirely sure, but if it isn't, the download for it is free. IIRC, the only DLC from ME3 that comes with the trilogy is the From Ashes - Javik character pack.

/bring Javik with you on the Thessia mission in ME3 for lots of bonus dialogue
 
2013-03-08 07:53:35 PM

MadSkillz: vygramul: As usual, attempts at DRM hose the honest customers, and EA refuses to do right by those customers.

And then they wonder why their stuff is pirated so much.

Oh please. Stuff isn't pirated usually because people are protesting DRM schemes. They usually pirate it because it's "hey, free game".


Sure.
But the question to ask is whether they would have bought the game anyway.

I don't think they are potential sales to make.
 
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