fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: bicycleThis only works if you are stealing a bicycle.[media.tumblr.com image 235x206]Are you a lawyer? I assure you have not missed the point.
Teiritzamna: HeartBurnKid: As you acknowledge this, then surely you must realize that making it even harder to pay and use your paid-for product, while not impeding those who would get it without paying at all, is not a productive approach?Oh of course - but my original and consistent argument has nothing to do with EA and its ridiculously stupid actions. Of course the company is making it such that the only way the games are functional is through unlawful means. But that is a different question.
Teiritzamna: Let me say it this way, perhaps. Assume Ford produces a car that is terribly terribly flawed. It is possible to make the cars run, but to do so would require some unlawful act. You as a consumer have, again, three choices. You can buy the shiatbox and use it as a paper weight. You can say "screw you Ford," and walk away. Or you can do the illegal act. Note: you have no right to a ford. None. Ford has all the rights in the world to make a terrible product, and you have all the rights in the world to not buy it. But saying "hey they mad a stupid car so i had to do this illegal thing to make it work! It's Ford's fault" is a fallacy.The correct answer is to watch ford go down in flames because of their stupid decision and not drive that car.
danknerd: That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Are you saying if I buy this Ford I am not allowed to say lite it on fire or tear it down to nuts and bolts? I own the Ford I can do whatever I want to it... and games should be the same way.
Subtle_Canary: Well, EA has been shiatting out turds for a while now, and you morons just keep giving them 60 bucks. Why should they change?EA could release a game called 'Turd in a box' that is literally just a turd in a box for 60 bucks and people would still buy it just to post online how bad it was. End result is EA gets rich and dumb suckers get to feel morally superior.STOP BUYING EA PRODUCTS
Girion47: BafflerMeal: Girion47: FarkGrudge: Teiritzamna: We could of course have the more reasonable discussion about cost/benefit. Here, it seems, EA's attempted security was woefully more expensive than the harms it would prevent. Indeed, the phenomenon i was attempting to discuss above likely means that their security actually encouraged more unlawful acts.So i would be quite happy to say that in this instance EA's poorly implemented DRM "does not work and is, in fact, completely and utterly pointless"...is it much of a leap then to say that many games with "always-on" DRM are as poorly implemented? Some here are extending this sentiment to all games with "always-online" DRM are poorly implemented, though I cannot personally throw my hat in with this crowd (due to ignorancy).My own person experience certainly suggests it, however (can't express the frustration of one of my available times to play Diablo 3 is during their weekly server maintenance for a game I always play solo). If I knew of a pirated version of Diablo 3 that let me play solo, I'd have been all over it (even after legitimately purchasing it).The real problem with this, is that if you look forward by evaluating another industry that's a little ahead in the DRM battle (ie, the movie industry) you will see that the motivation (not justification) for piracy is often the limitations placed on owned software by the DRM itself, which is the sole reason people are so outraged by it. If DRM can be put in that has NO impact on legitimate owners, then it'd be accepted without hesitation. But, it never seems to be able to be, as in this case (ie, servers are greatly struggling preventing solo-play).[Cool-story bro Begins]Another example of this is I had recently finally upgraded to a big 1080p TV and wanted to start purchasing blu-ray version of movies and add them to my digital DVD collection I have on my media server in my house. The point of the media server is obvious: I have several devices t ...
Obbi: I'm pretty sure they'd have to call it Sim 4 for people to buy into it.
HeartBurnKid: Oh, I completely agree, and I am not trying to justify anybody's piracy. What I am doing is asking for a justification for intrusive DRM, as I believe there is none. The idea that "we have to have this DRM to address piracy" is as big a fallacy as "I have to pirate due to the DRM", because DRM does not impede piracy. It only impedes legitimate users.
JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: bicycleThis only works if you are stealing a bicycle.[media.tumblr.com image 235x206]Are you a lawyer? I assure you have not missed the point.Sure, I'm a lawyer so fark you.
ZeroCorpse: You know, I kind of feel bad for the people who work at the lower levels at EA. They're taking all the worst shiat from this, and they're just ordinary schmuck trying to earn a living. Talk about a high-stress job...You just know the EA CEO and Board of Directors don't give a shiat. They're letting other people suffer and sweat.It's a shame this company-- a company that (along with Activition) started up trying do things differently from the draconian way Atari ran things in the 70s and 80s-- has actually become WORSE than Atari ever was.The EA we loved is dead. All that's left is some bastard shell of a corporate entity that sees games as a way to pump customers for money in ever-increasing increments. They sold their soul a long time ago.I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.
BafflerMeal: True. I don't care. The DMCA is a batshiat crazy piece of legislation. We're all felons several times a day in the eyes of the CJ system. I stopped caring about the letter of the law years ago and try to do what I agree with morally.
ZeroCorpse: The EA we loved is dead.
ZeroCorpse: I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.
The Bestest: ZeroCorpse: I think that right now, EA is less liked than Best Buy and AT&T.I think pretty lowly of EA, but I don't think any company will ever supplant my hatred of Best Buy. Not even Monsanto or Altria.
Rincewind53: Great Janitor: How bad is the video game industry doing? I have friends who work at the Gamestop Corporate office. Years ago, Gamestop used to be on the Fortune 500. Gamestop had piles of money and they used it to do upgrade sections of the corporate office, they bought some off site property to expand their refurbishment department, picked up several companies to expand their brand. Now, in late January they eliminated several positions in the corporate office as well as closed over 80 stores, dissolving several districts. Right now is annual review time and so far everyone who's gotten their review back has had poor reviews. Some think that the company might be gearing up for another round of lay offs, others think the poor reviews are Gamestop's way of avoiding payraises that they've already announced that they can not afford. Part of the problem is that it's been six years since a major console was released and with the next gen consoles not expected to be out until Maybe December of this year, it's going to be a hard year for Gamestop. Another problem for Gamestop is the software company's war against used gaming, and Gamestop is their target (and gamers the victims). They argue that Gamestop has made a billion dollar empire off of used games, but gives none of that money to the software companies (which makes as much sense as Carmax selling used cars but not sending any of that money to the auto makers). There are several rumors about the next Playstation and Xbox not allowing used games by requiring online connection to verify that the disk is a new disk, to activation codes to on line only. All moves that will ultimately kill the video game industry, at least the console gaming industry.Gamestop is dying because of digital distribution, Amazon, and the general price point for new video games. End of story.Gamestop's fate has very little to do with the do with the health of the video game industry as a whole.
The Bestest: So people didn't learn from Spore, huh?
HeartBurnKid: Meanwhile, Tropico 4 is now on a week-long sale on Steam.In my head, the folks at Valve and Kalypso sit at a banquet table, toasting each other with glasses of EA tears.
fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: fisker: JesusJuice: bicycleThis only works if you are stealing a bicycle.[media.tumblr.com image 235x206]Are you a lawyer? I assure you have not missed the point.Sure, I'm a lawyer so fark you.[i.imgur.com image 380x380]Biggest farking child on the internet.
Ishkur: EA has always been dead. EA has been dead for 20 years, and like the dead it subsists entirely on sucking the lifeblood out of other gaming companies until there was nothing left but a soulless husk. Origin, Maxis, Bullfrog, Westwood, and now they're doing the same to Bioware. All great, fantastic companies completely devoured by EA's corporate vampires.fark EA. They are the worst thing that has ever happened to gaming.
pacified: the amount of nerd crying in this is the annoying part. I get it, the servers aren't working right. But is it worth all the wrist slitting emo bullshiat? fark. You nerds need better priority.
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Played for 3 hours last night and really enjoyed it. Now I haven't logged on to see if it's still there, but I dont care. It's my first city and it's on a really small map with only 2 other players so I dont plan to mess with it for too long.That and I had to play with base graphics because I needed a better graphics card for the shiny stuff.That card is sitting in my car right now, so happy.
Girion47: Yeah I have no interest in this game. Off to pirate it!
The Bestest: HeartBurnKid: Meanwhile, Tropico 4 is now on a week-long sale on Steam.In my head, the folks at Valve and Kalypso sit at a banquet table, toasting each other with glasses of EA tears.Thing is, I'd have bought that.. if Tropico itself didn't have an extra layer of DRM too.
HeartBurnKid: So what do you call it when you are sold a product that does not work and refused a refund? Because I call it a ripoff.
J. Frank Parnell: I really cannot believe the game is still so farked. It's as if EA and Maxis are just trying to provoke people now, as some kind of social experiment. How far can they push their customers before someone takes the law into their own hands.
ZeroCorpse: But EA is killing the gaming industry. They're buying up all the good developers and then turning their work to crap. If gaming dies, it will be because EA pulled the trigger.
JustFish: I'm playing through ME for the first time cause I just found the 3 game pack at GS for pretty cheap on PS3. Can anyone tell me if the DLC that apparently fixed the end of ME3 is part of that 3 game release? or do I still have to download it?
fluffy2097: And does what, exactly?
fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: So what do you call it when you are sold a product that does not work and refused a refund? Because I call it a ripoff.Caveat Emptor.You should have read the EULA because it's all right there. No Refunds.
J. Frank Parnell: Servers Unavailable. See More Info link for details.More Info./seriously
vygramul: As usual, attempts at DRM hose the honest customers, and EA refuses to do right by those customers.And then they wonder why their stuff is pirated so much.
MadSkillz: vygramul: As usual, attempts at DRM hose the honest customers, and EA refuses to do right by those customers.And then they wonder why their stuff is pirated so much.Oh please. Stuff isn't pirated usually because people are protesting DRM schemes. They usually pirate it because it's "hey, free game".
ZeroCorpse: And thisis why I think the Ouya will have a solid chance this year. If developers make a game like Sim City, offer a large chunk of it free-to-play, and don't fill it with DRM crap, they'll be way ahead of EA.Just think Sim City players: You could have spent that $60 toward a new $99 console with games that won't f♥ck with you like EA does. NOW do you understand why supporting the Ouya and open development of games is a good idea?
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