Great Janitor: show me: Great Janitor: EA can charge $60 for the disk, then $15 to unlock each team on the diskWow, I thought it was overpriced to begin with, but this is real? Holy shiat, glad I was never interested in getting it.No. Well, the $60 for the game is real, plus more money for unlocking parts of the disk. The $15 to unlock each team I made up as an example to show just what EA could do and how the fans would still buy.EA, if you do this, you're a dick. Secondly, it was my idea, I expect a cut of the profits.
from my blood: PCMAG.com has popups. 2 of them in fact.This is just as annoying as single player games requiring server access.When will web sites learn?1. Enter profanities in the questionnaire2. Enter false, disgusting email address.3. Avoid the offending web sites.4.... nothing.
pacified: the amount of nerd crying in this is the annoying part. I get it, the servers aren't working right. But is it worth all the wrist slitting emo bullshiat? fark. You nerds need better priority.
CPennypacker: They aren't stealing a physical object.
Teiritzamna: CPennypacker: They aren't stealing a physical object.Theft of services
show me: rufus-t-firefly: This guy (from the Amazon reviews) has a better letter:Dear EA/Maxis/Origin:You killed the child inside me.The one who remembers playing SimCity. The *first* one. Who recalls fondly a childhood of Sim games, spending countless hours on my Compaq 486 sx33Ha! I had a 486 DX33! Suck it, dude!
Rincewind53: Great Janitor: How bad is the video game industry doing? I have friends who work at the Gamestop Corporate office. Years ago, Gamestop used to be on the Fortune 500. Gamestop had piles of money and they used it to do upgrade sections of the corporate office, they bought some off site property to expand their refurbishment department, picked up several companies to expand their brand. Now, in late January they eliminated several positions in the corporate office as well as closed over 80 stores, dissolving several districts. Right now is annual review time and so far everyone who's gotten their review back has had poor reviews. Some think that the company might be gearing up for another round of lay offs, others think the poor reviews are Gamestop's way of avoiding payraises that they've already announced that they can not afford. Part of the problem is that it's been six years since a major console was released and with the next gen consoles not expected to be out until Maybe December of this year, it's going to be a hard year for Gamestop. Another problem for Gamestop is the software company's war against used gaming, and Gamestop is their target (and gamers the victims). They argue that Gamestop has made a billion dollar empire off of used games, but gives none of that money to the software companies (which makes as much sense as Carmax selling used cars but not sending any of that money to the auto makers). There are several rumors about the next Playstation and Xbox not allowing used games by requiring online connection to verify that the disk is a new disk, to activation codes to on line only. All moves that will ultimately kill the video game industry, at least the console gaming industry.Gamestop is dying because of digital distribution, Amazon, and the general price point for new video games. End of story.Gamestop's fate has very little to do with the do with the health of the video game industry as a whole.
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Teiritzamna: 1) EA can eat a dick, mainly because they were bad at DRM, not because of the DRM itself.2) looks like another thread where people front the old false choice:I can either (a) get X unlawfully, or (b) get X lawfully but with lots of annoying things attached (DRM, Cable TV to wtach HBO show, trailers, commercials, etc.).This of course forgets the key third choice:(c) i can go without.I just find it really funny that in every one of these threads there is the sense that people are entitled to a thing in exactly the way they want it. If they cannot buy it exactly the way they want it, they will obtain it unlawfully. That is not a justification . . . its not even really an excuse. If you think EA sucks, you can not buy EA's products. You have that right. And if enough people do that, EA will either fold or will need to do what people want. There is, however, no moral justification for saying EA's policies are dumb, so i will unlawfully obtain their product.
Great Janitor: The video game industry is about to die, and the problem is the software companies attempts at ending piracy and used gaming that's going to cause it, sadly, they are too stupid to actually realize it, and when the video game industry tanks, they will go down blaming pirates while ignoring failures like this.How bad is the video game industry doing? ...
HST's Dead Carcass: It's your own damn fault.
CPennypacker: Its not a justification of piracy, you're missing the point. They are showing how badly paying customers get screwed over by trying to deter theft while the thieves have a better experience.
Teiritzamna: CPennypacker: Its not a justification of piracy, you're missing the point. They are showing how badly paying customers get screwed over by trying to deter theft while the thieves have a better experience.While that is a point, it is not the point i was addressing. It was the point made throughout the thread that DRM is why people obtain the game unlawfully. As if they had a right to it. Saying: "you know what, this DRM is ridiculous so I shall not buy this POS game" is a 100% morally/legally justifiable statement. Saying, "you know what, this DRM is ridiculous so I shall not buy this POS game but instead will torrent it" is not.See also [art.penny-arcade.com image 800x408]
PanicMan: I play games when I DONT want to interact with people. I don't want facebook integration. Or leaderboards. Or resource sharing. I want to be THE hero of the world, not just another guy who clearly isn't the best at whatever.The only thing online integration does is make my experience less meaningful. It adds an element of competition where it doesn't belong. That's not fun. Games are supposed to be fun.
Dr. Goldshnoz: It's the fault of gamers for continuing to want to play games even when they get dicked by game publishers that have bought up most of the decent IP that has existed and milks it dry?k.
peewinkle: Pssssh. I've been boycotting EA ever since they pulled the plug on Motor World Online, the best racing game of all time./they said they needed the server space for Sim City//they even offered me a free copy of Sim City, I told them to shove it///get off of my lawn.
CPennypacker: As a publisher they should be less concerned with what people have a right to do and more concerned with satisfying their paying customers and not pissing them off.
HST's Dead Carcass: Dr. Goldshnoz: It's the fault of gamers for continuing to want to play games even when they get dicked by game publishers that have bought up most of the decent IP that has existed and milks it dry?k.Yep. If it was really that important to a gamer to make a stand on a game interface, they shouldn't buy it. If DRM is really that bi of an issue, they shouldn't buy it. Let the game companies know it's an unacceptable practice that you refuse to support.BUT!We're gamers. So, we buy the game, tell everyone how much it sucks, demand recompense for the game in one form or another for being put out by the game, and this whole time they are playing it. Everyone knew this was going to be a constant connection game, and with history proving how bad this is, they bought it anyway, then have the nerve to be shocked that it doesn't work. They proclaim their shock while pointing out the failures of every other DRM launched game. It's quite the ironic statement, really.I digress, though. If people stopped buying constant connection/DRM games, the developers would stop making them. Plain and simple. Too bad gamers are slaves to their own desire.So keep on thinking this is going to change because the launch was a failure. They made quite a huge stack of cash on this, and though EA greatly desires to fix this black eye, the sole fact it sold so well proves to their company this is the way to go.Thank you gamers for making this the new future of gaming, you only have yourself to blame.
Talondel: show me: rufus-t-firefly: This guy (from the Amazon reviews) has a better letter:Dear EA/Maxis/Origin:You killed the child inside me.The one who remembers playing SimCity. The *first* one. Who recalls fondly a childhood of Sim games, spending countless hours on my Compaq 486 sx33Ha! I had a 486 DX33! Suck it, dude!I played all of the old Maxis games (SimCity, SimAnt, RoboSport) the way they were meant to be played. On a Mac! (with a tiny little built in black and white monitor)
Teiritzamna: CPennypacker: As a publisher they should be less concerned with what people have a right to do and more concerned with satisfying their paying customers and not pissing them off.This is true. It is also irrelevant to my statements were were focused upon the non corporate response side of this standard dance. Of course i believe companies should be smarter with their resources and should always focus on making a better product rather than market manipulation. However, that is a totally different question. Not corporate action, but consumer action.When confronted by a company that hasn't learned the lesson that it should make a better product, as stated above a consumer has three options. (1) buy anyway (valid) (2) not buy (valid) (3) obtain but do not buy (invalid). All i was saying is that it remarkable how many people do not seem to realize that (2) is an option, which allows them to use the poor acts of the company as a justification for (3)
Mechdemon: Great Janitor: The video game industry is about to die, and the problem is the software companies attempts at ending piracy and used gaming that's going to cause it, sadly, they are too stupid to actually realize it, and when the video game industry tanks, they will go down blaming pirates while ignoring failures like this.How bad is the video game industry doing? ...Rebuttal: The kickstarter for Planscape: Tides of Numenera Reached its funding goal of 900k in 6 hours, and is sitting at 2.1 million after 1.5 days.Shadowrun Returns put out an alpha gameplay video that looks BETTER than most of the production/beta crap we've been seeing. Not only that, it has shown up on a couple of 'most anticpated games of 2013" listsWasteland 2 recently put out a gameplay video showing off some features and gameplay, as well as also getting onto the same lists as Shadowrun Returns.The days of large video publishers are likely to wane somewhat, but there are good games out there to find (and fund!) if you keep an ear to the ground. The funding and distribution systems are changing.
CPennypacker: Oh agreed, but can you really blame people from groups 1 and 2 rooting for group 3 considering how pissed off they are, whether they bought the game and are pissed at how they are being screwed or didn't buy the game and are pissed at missing the actual game? At some point for me, even though I don't pirate, it comes down to, well fark you EA, you deserve it.
rufus-t-firefly: This guy (from the Amazon reviews) has a better letter
Lumbar Puncture: rufus-t-firefly: This guy (from the Amazon reviews) has a better letterWithout looking, I bet that's from Chris Kluwe.
Pixiest: Geez, that always connected DRM stuff really blows. I guess I'll just stick with World of Warcraft.
scottydoesntknow: Lumbar Puncture: rufus-t-firefly: This guy (from the Amazon reviews) has a better letterWithout looking, I bet that's from Chris Kluwe.Ohh Kluwe's already weighed in on Twitter
Dr. Goldshnoz: It's slightly cute that you're implying that your whole vote with your wallet and just not buy premise actually makes an impactl. It doesn't.
Dr. Goldshnoz: Compared to the ignorant masses that will deal with it because it is what there is, those that accept that they HAVE to endure getting biatchsmacked to have a product, it's a literal drop in the bucket.
Dr. Goldshnoz: I can't make a difference by just not buying a new car because the annoying seatbelt alarm screams at me the second my ass hits the seat.
scottydoesntknow: rufus-t-firefly: In fact, my new Mass Effect 3 DLC just installed.So I know a lot of people felt burned by ME3, and I hated the ending just as much as anyone (more numb to it now), but the "Citadel" DLC is awesome. It's nothing but pure fanservice, and that's what makes it great. It's the ending that people wanted, but at the same time there's no way they could've put it in the main game. This is DLC done right.
CPennypacker: Or, more likely, they would just cancel whatever series sold bad due to gamers not buying it, lay off the staff and close the studio. Its not so black and white. The DRM sucks, and is added into the value equation for the game. For some people, the game is still a net positive value, discounting the negative aspects like DRM and the cost combined. That doesn't mean they don't have a right to complain about the stuff they don't like.The thing is, its a very strong negative and will tip the value proposition for a lot of potential buyers. It did for me. I would have bought this game. Maybe when the price drops, but this debacle at $60 isn't worth it, even for a new Sim City.
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