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(Slate)   One female reporter discovers that breast feeding in Obama's White House is almost as hard as getting a budget through Congress   (slate.com) divider line 28
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2013-03-08 02:06:09 PM
13 votes:

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.
2013-03-08 02:06:07 PM
5 votes:
Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.
2013-03-08 02:14:48 PM
4 votes:
So the headline makes it sound like the White House is to blame, when in fact they did what they could to help her. She's employed by Yahoo, not the White House, and the onus is on Yahoo to provide accommodations, not the White House. The Administration did attempt to help her even though it wasn't required to, but as the article points out, due to security issues there are limited places you're allowed to go by yourself.

So, the headline is misleading in trying to blame Obama, which is about par for the course I guess.
2013-03-08 02:03:19 PM
4 votes:
This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.
2013-03-08 05:30:00 PM
2 votes:

KwameKilstrawberry: Men have one prophylactic that is cheap, legal and over the counter.  Now, name how many of the same that women have.


um, the same one?  Women are allowed to buy them as well.  Not sure if you were aware, and they work no matter who buys them.

The more you know....
2013-03-08 02:34:47 PM
2 votes:

Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.


It is fools like you that make this breast feeding thing out to be such a big farking deal.

Let me lay it out for you, now mind, this is the traditional method and it's as hold as human beings (actually older).

You get pregnant.
you have the kid.
YAY everyone lived
You breastfeed, whenever or wherever it's time to do that.
Everyone goes on with the world as if there wasn't some kind of atrocity being committed by that baby/mother combo.

Now, this system worked for over 2000 years of civilization.  However, the USA is... well special, and farking retarded.
2013-03-08 02:13:21 PM
2 votes:

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


OH MY GOD DONE IN ONE.
2013-03-08 06:21:34 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: I absolutely do. Absolutely. Go make that money. Just promise then that you'll pay your half on all first dates and hold your own doors open. And all the Curves gyms have to close, if you want to be fair about it. And maybe stop wailing on your boyfriend when he pisses you off and then cry abuse when he restrains you.

I'm a chick, and I think most women bring these problems on themselves. Sorry. Maybe if less women blew a thousand dollars on purses every weekend they'd have more money to pay bills with. I'm not saying it's every case, and there are exemptions to every rule. But as a whole, most women want equality until they want special treatment. I have SEEN THIS IN ACTION.


Are you feeling ok? You sound like a different person suddenly.
2013-03-08 06:05:16 PM
1 votes:

KwameKilstrawberry: hasty ambush: KwameKilstrawberry: kiwimoogle84: I think it's ridiculous that women campaign for equal wages and then expect the men to pay for all their meals out at restaurants. You want equality, or you want to be spoiled. You can't have both.

You're an idiot.

No he is not.  Women want it both ways equality and special treatment.  "Equal" women are supposedly ready to serve in the combat arms ( infantry, armor, artillery, etc) and face the rigours of combat in those brances but for some reason need special treatment under the law with things like the violence against women act.

Women supposedly want to be treated equal like men except when it comes to spawning.   They want all the authority to decide if to spawn or abort but daddy (the evil male whose kid it is also) only gets the responsiblity meaning make sure his wallet is open if women decides to keep his child.  Heck all she has to do is claim it is his and he may get stuck paying for it.  If they want all the authority let them assume all the responsiblity-from contraception or lack there of to financial responsibility.


You're both idiots for parrotting back the same bullshiat that makes people think of bra-burning when they hear the term 'feminism'.  You are both perpetuating an ongoing gender war that is proving to have devestating consequences on women right now, and you in particular, are full of vitriol.

When the government wants to ban condoms, and throw you in jail for knocking a chick up, you might have an understanding of what kind of threat the current political environment is to women.  And since we head 1/2 the families in this country, and are partners with almost all the rest, it really is in your best interest to support our wish to make a living, equitable income.


I absolutely do. Absolutely. Go make that money. Just promise then that you'll pay your half on all first dates and hold your own doors open. And all the Curves gyms have to close, if you want to be fair about it. And maybe stop wailing on your boyfriend when he pisses you off and then cry abuse when he restrains you.

I'm a chick, and I think most women bring these problems on themselves. Sorry. Maybe if less women blew a thousand dollars on purses every weekend they'd have more money to pay bills with. I'm not saying it's every case, and there are exemptions to every rule. But as a whole, most women want equality until they want special treatment. I have SEEN THIS IN ACTION.
2013-03-08 06:02:03 PM
1 votes:
Lord Dimwit there is a definite war on women from the political right in this country and it is disgusting. What's more of a concern is the fact that they can be so open about it and half the country thinks that it's both (a) not sexist and (b) the right direction in which to move. It bothers the ever-loving hell out of me.


Semantics and condom gaffes aside, that's what I'm saying, right there. It's dangerous and prevalent and you can see examples of it right here in this thread.
2013-03-08 04:57:43 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


Well, in all fairness, having kids is a choice, and heart surgery is not. A better comparison would be that I should get equivalent time off when I buy a new puppy, so that I don't have to drive home twice a day to walk it. If we were in a severe population shortage, then it would make sense for society to pay for more children, but right now that's not an issue.
2013-03-08 04:51:45 PM
1 votes:

BishopHatto: People that get offended or grossed out about breastfeeding public urination are morons and need to get a life.

2013-03-08 04:07:12 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,


In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.
2013-03-08 03:59:34 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I think it sucks that your emplyer and /or tax payers have to finance you decision to commit parenthood.

If your employer can do without you long enough for your to spawn and wean your child maybe he/she does not really need you at all.


At least our government realizes that giving children a good start at home bonding with their parents builds a better member of society who will later in life be able to contribute to their community/country by getting a good job and not living off welfare. Its science. :-)
2013-03-08 03:43:59 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: And ACTUALLY, FLMA pay is covered under disability pay.


Disability pay is disability pay. It has nothing to do with FMLA.

My mother took it when my grandmother got cancer. Paid leave isn't JUST for crapping out kids.

You're right. Paid leave is also for vacation days and sick days. I don't care if you use your sick leave to be with a sick relative or to recover from a pregnancy. I do care if you get "extra" paid leave on top of your sick leave that your coworkers don't get.

And men can get PAID leave when his wife craps out a kid.

I don't think men should get paid paternity leave either (not that they do that often anyway). Everybody should get the same benefits. I don't care if you are a man or woman, parent or childless.

So no, I was right the first time. Go be mad and lonely somewhere else.
No you weren't. Paid maternity leave is at the discretion of your employer and has jack shiat to do with FMLA, so stop saying it does.
2013-03-08 03:36:41 PM
1 votes:
Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.
2013-03-08 02:46:37 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


Just because you voluntarily suffer doesn't mean the rest of us have to involuntarily hear about it.
2013-03-08 02:40:17 PM
1 votes:

umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.


The continuation of the species is an important enough goal that I think we can bend the rules a bit. I do think, though, that fathers should be given (number of mother's weeks - 1 or 2) weeks off for paternity leave. That way, everyone "makes the same" in terms of benefits and pay and time off.

(I added an extra week or two in there for the mother because guys generally aren't recovering from massive bodily upheavals and potentially even surgery after pregnancy.)
2013-03-08 02:37:35 PM
1 votes:

Kahabut: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

It is fools like you that make this breast feeding thing out to be such a big farking deal.

Let me lay it out for you, now mind, this is the traditional method and it's as hold as human beings (actually older).

You get pregnant.
you have the kid.
YAY everyone lived
You breastfeed, whenever or wherever it's time to do that.
Everyone goes on with the world as if there wasn't some kind of atrocity being committed by that baby/mother combo.

Now, this system worked for over 2000 years of civilization.  However, the USA is... well special, and farking retarded.


I grew up in eastern europe in the 80's, where going topless for farm workers was the norm. Those very same women that would pick raspberries with tits all hanging out would STILL show modesty while breastfeeding in public.
2013-03-08 02:36:24 PM
1 votes:

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Obama invited a bunch of them to dinner the other night
2013-03-08 02:29:12 PM
1 votes:

dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


There's also the problem that it's very difficult to find a job that actually pays enough to let one parent (I don't care which one) stay at home with the children while they're pre-school aged. Almost all of it is wage stagnation, though there's some amount of keeping-up-with-the-Joneses in there too, I think.
2013-03-08 02:28:06 PM
1 votes:

Molavian: Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.

Um...why? Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid before passing them off to whatever kind of babysitter/nanny/family member we can scrape up within such a short amount of time?

Not at all. Just don't biatch about making 70% of what a man makes.

You have to admit, it's a pretty good gig.  70% of the pay for 30% of the work.


First of all, you're BOTH wrong. I never complain about "only making 70% of what a man makes" and I think it's ridiculous that women campaign for equal wages and then expect the men to pay for all their meals out at restaurants. You want equality, or you want to be spoiled. You can't have both.

Secondly, I work in a female dominated field, and what I make is just fine. In fact, I make more than a male friend in the same field. I make more than Mr. Kiwi and he basically does the same thing I do. Plus, I do work hard. So you can both suck it.
2013-03-08 02:24:57 PM
1 votes:

Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off


If she wants to feed her child in a cauldron of urine and old band-aids thats her choice or right. I dont even know anymore
2013-03-08 02:21:39 PM
1 votes:
I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off
2013-03-08 02:21:24 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.

Um...why? Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid before passing them off to whatever kind of babysitter/nanny/family member we can scrape up within such a short amount of time?


Not at all. Just don't biatch about making 70% of what a man makes.
2013-03-08 02:13:14 PM
1 votes:
Who brings a baby to the White House?
2013-03-08 02:07:48 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.


Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.
2013-03-08 02:07:44 PM
1 votes:
She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.
 
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