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(Slate)   One female reporter discovers that breast feeding in Obama's White House is almost as hard as getting a budget through Congress   (slate.com) divider line 188
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2013-03-08 02:03:19 PM
This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.
 
2013-03-08 02:06:04 PM
Speaking of hard.........


headline.......

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 02:06:07 PM
Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.
 
2013-03-08 02:06:09 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.
 
2013-03-08 02:07:10 PM

dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


^^^^^^^
 
2013-03-08 02:07:44 PM
She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.
 
2013-03-08 02:07:47 PM
Fartbongo hates boobs which makes him gay and Sara Palin is our new lesbo in chief
 
2013-03-08 02:07:48 PM

Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.


Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.
 
2013-03-08 02:08:41 PM

FlameDuck: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.


Or you know... be like the 90% of mothers that figured this out.
 
2013-03-08 02:09:08 PM
Boobgate!!
 
2013-03-08 02:10:47 PM
Clicked link, sees pic of Whitehouse not boobies and moves on
 
2013-03-08 02:12:04 PM
www.filmsquish.com
Jeezus Christ...next thing you know, they'll be wanting to breastfeed in the war room!
 
2013-03-08 02:12:27 PM

Yogimus: FlameDuck: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.

Or you know... be like the 90% of mothers that figured this out.


Yup, best things come in a can.
 
2013-03-08 02:12:58 PM

Mr. Right: She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.


Hillary or Bill? I think both would enjoy making sure each boob gets tapped out.
 
2013-03-08 02:13:14 PM
Who brings a baby to the White House?
 
2013-03-08 02:13:21 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


OH MY GOD DONE IN ONE.
 
2013-03-08 02:14:04 PM

FlameDuck: Yogimus: FlameDuck: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.

Or you know... be like the 90% of mothers that figured this out.

Yup, best things come in a can.


No, if he came in the can, she wouldn't be in this predicament.
 
2013-03-08 02:14:48 PM
So the headline makes it sound like the White House is to blame, when in fact they did what they could to help her. She's employed by Yahoo, not the White House, and the onus is on Yahoo to provide accommodations, not the White House. The Administration did attempt to help her even though it wasn't required to, but as the article points out, due to security issues there are limited places you're allowed to go by yourself.

So, the headline is misleading in trying to blame Obama, which is about par for the course I guess.
 
2013-03-08 02:15:47 PM
Just pump it lady.
 
2013-03-08 02:16:20 PM

megarian: dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.

^^^^^^^


Well... notwithstanding the article (which seems like a pretty simple case of security measures messing up somebody's ability to go off and be by themselves for a bit.)

Most nursing mothers deal with crap like that, but most mothers aren't working in the White House Press Corps.
 
2013-03-08 02:16:52 PM

Cymbal: Mr. Right: She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.

Hillary or Bill? I think both would enjoy making sure each boob gets tapped out.


Yeah, I thought of Hillary after I posted.  Either would have been happy to help.  They make a great team, those two!
 
2013-03-08 02:16:57 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.
 
2013-03-08 02:17:00 PM
as long as she shares
 
2013-03-08 02:17:00 PM
As a journalist, you are going to be in a variety of situations covering the news.  Not all those situations are going to be conducive to using a breast pump.  She probably wouldn't take an overseas assignment while breast feeding her child.   She might have some challenges covering a city beat.  She's having some challenges covering the white house with the hassles of security probably preventing her from leaving the building where she is essentially a guest doing her job, to take care of her pumping needs.

How about her employeer?  What do they have to say about this?  Couldn't they provide her another assignment temporarily and then put her right back in that original position later?  Isn't that what family laws are for?
 
2013-03-08 02:19:22 PM

itsfullofstars: As a journalist, you are going to be in a variety of situations covering the news.  Not all those situations are going to be conducive to using a breast pump.  She probably wouldn't take an overseas assignment while breast feeding her child.   She might have some challenges covering a city beat.  She's having some challenges covering the white house with the hassles of security probably preventing her from leaving the building where she is essentially a guest doing her job, to take care of her pumping needs.

How about her employeer?  What do they have to say about this?  Couldn't they provide her another assignment temporarily and then put her right back in that original position later?  Isn't that what family laws are for?


Dude... she is a "reporter" for "Yahoo".  Not exactly pulitzer material here.
 
2013-03-08 02:19:42 PM
And technically she was trying to use a breast pump, not breastfeed her baby. Pretty big difference there subby. Women don't want to be seen as just another milking cow hooked up to a machine. It's loud and much more distracting than breastfeeding to anyone in the area.
 
2013-03-08 02:19:55 PM

Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.


Um...why? Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid before passing them off to whatever kind of babysitter/nanny/family member we can scrape up within such a short amount of time?
 
2013-03-08 02:21:16 PM

Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.


Oops. My bad.  It was a momentary lapse on my part.   I'll try to keep my Canadian commie views under control.
 
2013-03-08 02:21:24 PM

kiwimoogle84: Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.

Um...why? Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid before passing them off to whatever kind of babysitter/nanny/family member we can scrape up within such a short amount of time?


Not at all. Just don't biatch about making 70% of what a man makes.
 
2013-03-08 02:21:39 PM
I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off
 
2013-03-08 02:22:45 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.

Um...why? Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid before passing them off to whatever kind of babysitter/nanny/family member we can scrape up within such a short amount of time?

Not at all. Just don't biatch about making 70% of what a man makes.


You have to admit, it's a pretty good gig.  70% of the pay for 30% of the work.
 
2013-03-08 02:23:17 PM
You're tellin' me. Those little monsters bite!
 
2013-03-08 02:23:18 PM
I prefer boobs that dont have children dangling from them
 
2013-03-08 02:23:32 PM

kiwimoogle84: Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid


Holy shiate!  I'm a guy and I get 5 weeks at 70% pay.
 
2013-03-08 02:24:28 PM

Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off


You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.
 
2013-03-08 02:24:34 PM
She is pretty talented if a white house reporter can simultaneously use a breast pump while giving Obama a wet sloppy beej.

:-D
 
2013-03-08 02:24:48 PM

itsfullofstars: Couldn't they provide her another assignment temporarily and then put her right back in that original position later?


They probably could have and they may have even offered, but the White House press corp is a strange bunch, where you sit is based on your seniority,  and she may have lost that seniority if she went and worked a different beat.
 
2013-03-08 02:24:57 PM

Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off


If she wants to feed her child in a cauldron of urine and old band-aids thats her choice or right. I dont even know anymore
 
2013-03-08 02:25:30 PM
Yogimus:

Dude... she is a "reporter" for "Yahoo".  Not exactly pulitzer material here.

The reality of the situation is that she is probably a self employed free-lancer. Marissa Mayer has orderd all Yahoo employees back in the office anyway so I guess this is moot.
 
2013-03-08 02:26:11 PM

Mr. Right: Cymbal: Mr. Right: She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.

Hillary or Bill? I think both would enjoy making sure each boob gets tapped out.

Yeah, I thought of Hillary after I posted.  Either would have been happy to help.  They make a great team, those two!


They wouldn't help clean up any spills, though.
 
2013-03-08 02:26:41 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


This wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so offended by bare breasts.
 
2013-03-08 02:26:47 PM

itsfullofstars: Yogimus:

Dude... she is a "reporter" for "Yahoo".  Not exactly pulitzer material here.

The reality of the situation is that she is probably a self employed free-lancer. Marissa Mayer has orderd all Yahoo employees back in the office anyway so I guess this is moot.


I do find it irritating that Mayer has ordered everyone back into the office, including working mothers like herself - but she had a huge nursery built into her office.
 
2013-03-08 02:26:59 PM

Flab: kiwimoogle84: Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid

Holy shiate!  I'm a guy and I get 5 weeks at 70% pay.


I get my FMLA 12 weeks, after I exhaust my vacation, at no pay! What do I win?
 
2013-03-08 02:27:57 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.filmsquish.com image 432x311]
Jeezus Christ...next thing you know, they'll be wanting to breastfeed in the war room!


CSB..they wanted to end that scene with a big pie fight, you can see the pies in that shot.
It got cut.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-08 02:28:06 PM

Molavian: Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: Weigard: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Suggesting this is literally going back in time and shooting Paul Revere in the head.

Um...why? Is it such a crime that MAYBE we might need more than six weeks at 55% pay to bond with our kid before passing them off to whatever kind of babysitter/nanny/family member we can scrape up within such a short amount of time?

Not at all. Just don't biatch about making 70% of what a man makes.

You have to admit, it's a pretty good gig.  70% of the pay for 30% of the work.


First of all, you're BOTH wrong. I never complain about "only making 70% of what a man makes" and I think it's ridiculous that women campaign for equal wages and then expect the men to pay for all their meals out at restaurants. You want equality, or you want to be spoiled. You can't have both.

Secondly, I work in a female dominated field, and what I make is just fine. In fact, I make more than a male friend in the same field. I make more than Mr. Kiwi and he basically does the same thing I do. Plus, I do work hard. So you can both suck it.
 
2013-03-08 02:29:10 PM

dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


Whatever it is it's definitely  not mothers and fathers wanting the f out of the house for a 1/3rd of the day.
 
2013-03-08 02:29:12 PM

dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


There's also the problem that it's very difficult to find a job that actually pays enough to let one parent (I don't care which one) stay at home with the children while they're pre-school aged. Almost all of it is wage stagnation, though there's some amount of keeping-up-with-the-Joneses in there too, I think.
 
2013-03-08 02:29:50 PM
Hey, if public masturbation was legal I'd still do it in private.
 
2013-03-08 02:30:01 PM

kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.


Apparently not as well s you..
 
2013-03-08 02:32:24 PM

IRQ12: dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.

Whatever it is it's definitely  not mothers and fathers wanting the f out of the house for a 1/3rd of the day.


I work from home and my wife is a stay-at-home mother, except that she stays at home way less than I do. She has play dates, runs errands, takes the kid to the park, goes and hangs out with other stay-at-home-wives (not all of whom are mothers). I just realized the other day that I hadn't actually stepped out of my house in over a week. It was kinda surreal.
 
2013-03-08 02:32:25 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.

Apparently not as well s you..


You're damn right. Mr. Kiwi is happy.

Other than that, I have no clue what you're even talking about. I defended my position and you come back with a second grade retort with a grammatical error.
 
2013-03-08 02:33:41 PM

Lord Dimwit: Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off

You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.


Should have stood next to her pool side, whipped it out, and peed I'm the pool. It's a wonderful and natural human action and shouldn't be shunned by prudes.
 
2013-03-08 02:33:52 PM

kiwimoogle84: Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.

Apparently not as well s you..

You're damn right. Mr. Kiwi is happy.

Other than that, I have no clue what you're even talking about. I defended my position and you come back with a second grade retort with a grammatical error.


Typographical error
I was insinuating that your profession was prostitution
You started it! Neener.
 
2013-03-08 02:34:19 PM

Lord Dimwit: Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off

You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.


I'd be more worried about the baby ingesting urine pool water.

(Probably wouldn't hurt 'em anyway, but that doesn't make it not-icky.)
 
2013-03-08 02:34:28 PM

Lord Dimwit: I do find it irritating that Mayer has ordered everyone back into the office, including working mothers like herself - but she had a huge nursery built into her office.


As Mitt Romney pointed out, poor people wouldn't poor if they had more money.
 
2013-03-08 02:34:47 PM

Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.


It is fools like you that make this breast feeding thing out to be such a big farking deal.

Let me lay it out for you, now mind, this is the traditional method and it's as hold as human beings (actually older).

You get pregnant.
you have the kid.
YAY everyone lived
You breastfeed, whenever or wherever it's time to do that.
Everyone goes on with the world as if there wasn't some kind of atrocity being committed by that baby/mother combo.

Now, this system worked for over 2000 years of civilization.  However, the USA is... well special, and farking retarded.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:03 PM

Tom_Slick: They probably could have and they may have even offered, but the White House press corp is a strange bunch, where you sit is based on your seniority,  and she may have lost that seniority if she went and worked a different beat.


Cant have your cake and eat it too.  While this woman has a right to reasonably concessions being made to make it possible for her to continue working and feed her child, that doesn't mean she gets to make all the decisions on how that is done.  Reasonable applies both ways.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:20 PM

dv-ous: Lord Dimwit: Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off

You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.

I'd be more worried about the baby ingesting urine pool water.

(Probably wouldn't hurt 'em anyway, but that doesn't make it not-icky.)


Do you have kids? You basically can't stop them from eating icky stuff. Pool water is at least chlorinated.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:24 PM

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Obama invited a bunch of them to dinner the other night
 
2013-03-08 02:36:34 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.

Apparently not as well s you..

You're damn right. Mr. Kiwi is happy.

Other than that, I have no clue what you're even talking about. I defended my position and you come back with a second grade retort with a grammatical error.

Typographical error
I was insinuating that your profession was prostitution
You started it! Neener.


Nice. I now see what you did there, and nope. If I was, I'd be making a whole hell of a lot more, and likely wouldn't be concerned about the maternity leave packages offered by my pimps...
 
2013-03-08 02:36:47 PM

Watubi: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

This wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so offended by bare breasts.


Blame the conservative prudes who lobby at the FCC. They have the power to allow bare breasts on network and basic cable TV. Instead they allow so much graphic violence slide through that we shrug and allow the NRA to walk all over us when yet another mass shooting occurs. We have become desensitized to violence and over-sensitized to anything remotely sexual.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:56 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.
 
2013-03-08 02:37:35 PM

Kahabut: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

It is fools like you that make this breast feeding thing out to be such a big farking deal.

Let me lay it out for you, now mind, this is the traditional method and it's as hold as human beings (actually older).

You get pregnant.
you have the kid.
YAY everyone lived
You breastfeed, whenever or wherever it's time to do that.
Everyone goes on with the world as if there wasn't some kind of atrocity being committed by that baby/mother combo.

Now, this system worked for over 2000 years of civilization.  However, the USA is... well special, and farking retarded.


I grew up in eastern europe in the 80's, where going topless for farm workers was the norm. Those very same women that would pick raspberries with tits all hanging out would STILL show modesty while breastfeeding in public.
 
2013-03-08 02:37:36 PM
Without pictures of these baby bottles, it is impossible to tell whether this is an outrage or not.
 
2013-03-08 02:40:17 PM

umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.


The continuation of the species is an important enough goal that I think we can bend the rules a bit. I do think, though, that fathers should be given (number of mother's weeks - 1 or 2) weeks off for paternity leave. That way, everyone "makes the same" in terms of benefits and pay and time off.

(I added an extra week or two in there for the mother because guys generally aren't recovering from massive bodily upheavals and potentially even surgery after pregnancy.)
 
2013-03-08 02:42:41 PM
http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.
 
2013-03-08 02:44:31 PM

umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.


First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.
 
2013-03-08 02:45:51 PM

Lord Dimwit: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

The continuation of the species is an important enough goal that I think we can bend the rules a bit. I do think, though, that fathers should be given (number of mother's weeks - 1 or 2) weeks off for paternity leave. That way, everyone "makes the same" in terms of benefits and pay and time off.

(I added an extra week or two in there for the mother because guys generally aren't recovering from massive bodily upheavals and potentially even surgery after pregnancy.)


A reasonable man with reasonable views. I dig it. Great minds and all.
 
2013-03-08 02:46:37 PM

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


Just because you voluntarily suffer doesn't mean the rest of us have to involuntarily hear about it.
 
2013-03-08 02:47:40 PM
Breast feeding? Wait a minute - breasts need to be FED?! What do they eat? Can I feed it to them?
 
2013-03-08 02:48:11 PM

Yogimus: http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.


Yikes! I just can't believe someone stuck their dick in that bug-eyed troglodyte long enough to get her pregnant. She looks more like "in through the out door" material to me.
 
2013-03-08 02:48:48 PM

Lord Dimwit: IRQ12: dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.

Whatever it is it's definitely  not mothers and fathers wanting the f out of the house for a 1/3rd of the day.

I work from home and my wife is a stay-at-home mother, except that she stays at home way less than I do. She has play dates, runs errands, takes the kid to the park, goes and hangs out with other stay-at-home-wives (not all of whom are mothers). I just realized the other day that I hadn't actually stepped out of my house in over a week. It was kinda surreal.


I was just saying that there's probably a pretty significant percentage of people who simply don't want to stay at home.  It's not always some huge sociological issue.
 
2013-03-08 02:50:39 PM

kiwimoogle84: So you can both suck it.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-08 02:51:06 PM

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


FMLA is unpaid at my company and for all of the people I know who have taken maternity leave other than those that work for massive companies. I get a pretty sweet 4 weeks of paid time off because I've been here nearly 9 years, but I can only bank a week to carry over into the next year. Since my vacation accrues at a fixed rate (rather than being granted at the start of the year), unless I have a child at the end of the year, I would not get 5 weeks paid time off after having my child. Plus, it requires a pound of flesh to take more than two weeks off (i.e. manager, manager's manager, CEO must approve it.)
 
2013-03-08 02:51:25 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.

Just because you voluntarily suffer doesn't mean the rest of us have to involuntarily hear about it.


Not saying I do. I don't have any kids. I'm just proving a point that it's not just maternity leave covered under FMLA, that men can take the exact same leave. So I'm not sure why it's a gender issue.
 
2013-03-08 02:55:32 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.

FMLA is unpaid at my company and for all of the people I know who have taken maternity leave other than those that work for massive companies. I get a pretty sweet 4 weeks of paid time off because I've been here nearly 9 years, but I can only bank a week to carry over into the next year. Since my vacation accrues at a fixed rate (rather than being granted at the start of the year), unless I have a child at the end of the year, I would not get 5 weeks paid time off after having my child. Plus, it requires a pound of flesh to take more than two weeks off (i.e. manager, manager's manager, CEO must approve it.)


I work at a large corporation and they have 13 weeks full pay maternity leave. Paternity leave however is unpaid and only 6 weeks.
 
2013-03-08 02:55:40 PM
I actually do agree with you.  FMLA leave is a good thing for both sides.
 
2013-03-08 03:01:14 PM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-08 03:02:53 PM
richmondmom.com
 
2013-03-08 03:03:57 PM
Cymbal: That is disgusting. You could take FMLA for 12 weeks though, because that covers care of newborns, right? The unpaid paternity vs. paid maternity leave is pretty ugly and disappointing though.

Personally, if my husband wanted to stay home with me the entire 12 weeks, I would hope we could find a way to make it work. I know I want him home for a few weeks because I need him to manage his mother-invasion, because on a good day she's the most annoying person in my life, if I am post-partum I could not even imagine. Ten minutes after she arrives, I'm ready to tell her to GTFO.
 
2013-03-08 03:04:58 PM
A bunch of old white men said no for reasons that didn't effect them in anyway?
 
2013-03-08 03:05:44 PM

Cymbal: I work at a large corporation and they have 13 weeks full pay maternity leave. Paternity leave however is unpaid and only 6 weeks.


See, I hate crap like this. It basically says that a father's contribution isn't worth even half as much as a mother's. Mothers absolutely should get a bit more time off after the birth of a child, since they need to physically recover, but a father deserves to bond with his newborn too.
 
2013-03-08 03:07:42 PM

Mr. Right: She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.



Mr. Right is right!
 
2013-03-08 03:11:31 PM
Ok, without even reading TFA, why is she bringing her kid with her to work?  Seems a little odd.
 
2013-03-08 03:15:09 PM

Lord Dimwit: Cymbal: I work at a large corporation and they have 13 weeks full pay maternity leave. Paternity leave however is unpaid and only 6 weeks.

See, I hate crap like this. It basically says that a father's contribution isn't worth even half as much as a mother's. Mothers absolutely should get a bit more time off after the birth of a child, since they need to physically recover, but a father deserves to bond with his newborn too.


One of the only people I knew who had a job with maternity leave used her paid maternity leave then her unpaid FMLA on top of it. I feel like that kind of behavior makes covering any part of maternity leave less attractive to employers, because 25 weeks of leave is... well... unimaginable. Then the sister of a friend had a baby, took all her paid leave, then some unpaid leave, then left her job. I know companies aren't doing much to inspire loyalty in their workforce, but jeez, that seemed wrong to me. Another friend mentioned that her company has some clause around paid maternity leave that requires some of it to be paid back if you leave the job. Like a signing bonus being paid back if you leave sooner than your employment contract dictates? There has to be better ways than this, but I'm not real sure what it is.
 
2013-03-08 03:15:22 PM
She was actually biatching about using a breast pump in a bathroom. After everyone made multiple reasonable concessions to her need.  I think the whole story was just a "Look how hard my life is" schlock.
 
2013-03-08 03:19:24 PM

Yogimus: She was actually biatching about using a breast pump in a bathroom. After everyone made multiple reasonable concessions to her need.  I think the whole story was just a "Look how hard my life is" schlock.


But we can all agree, we'd rather not have our food visit the bathroom before we eat it, right? I'm not a germaphobe but I think its pretty reasonable to not want to pump in the restroom.

And, while we're at it... have you heard the sound a breast pump makes? Sweet Baby Jeezus, the sound is part liposuction, part industrial production line, part squishy gooey whatever. When my nephew was in in the NICU, the baby next to him was being fed breastmilk through a tube, so his mom pumped in the NICU for him. I'd never heard such a noise in my life. Its not a sound I'd want to hear again if I could help it.
 
2013-03-08 03:20:26 PM
Color me shocked that Fartbongo's gaymuslim commie shack oppressed a heterosexual mother valiantly trying to nurture the future Christian soldiers who sprang from her loins.  I hear his commissars are forcing women to wear pants and immodest blouses and work outside the home, while employing illegal aliens as day care providers to teach their children Spanish as their first language.

dv-ous:
Most nursing mothers deal with crap like that muddle through despite little maternity leave and shiatty laws that exempt many, many workplaces from accommodating them at all, but most mothers aren't working in the White House Press Corps.

... and back to reality, where there's no political will to extend maternity leave or working mothers' rights because those things only affect the poor and middle classes.  If they want maternity leave they should just get rich.
 
2013-03-08 03:20:38 PM

dv-ous: Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


Especially applicable to a whitehouse-level reporter. I'm guessing "they'll replace me" is another drive..it's a pretty coveted position as far as reporters go.
 
2013-03-08 03:21:23 PM
(though it would have been both hypocritical and a major optics issue for them if they ignored her)

Optics is a thing now?

d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-03-08 03:24:19 PM

rjs983: Ok, without even reading TFA, why is she bringing her kid with her to work?  Seems a little odd.


Because doing something that every species has done for millions of years makes her special and thus immune to societal norms. The rest of us owe it to her to accommodate her every need as she sees fit.
 
2013-03-08 03:24:21 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Wouldn't necessary if she stayed in the kitchen either
 
2013-03-08 03:25:00 PM
"woudn't 'be' necessary"
 
2013-03-08 03:25:10 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Just how long should maternity leave last?
www.bagnewsnotes.com
 
2013-03-08 03:25:31 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: throom before we eat it, right? I'm not a germaphobe but I think its pretty reasonable to not want to pump in the restroom.


I think all the reasonable options were rejected, or not conducive to the people around her.  If she can't do her job, maybe she should let someone else do it until she is capable once again.  She is part of the white house press corps, and writes about WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS. She isn't making her sacrifices for some greater need here. In fact, I would wager that she has no damned business even being there.
 
2013-03-08 03:30:27 PM
What a woman who needs a breast pump might look like:

images.wikia.com
 
2013-03-08 03:31:39 PM

rjs983: Ok, without even reading TFA, why is she bringing her kid with her to work?  Seems a little odd.


Thread headline is misleading. She was using a pump, not bringing her kid.
 
2013-03-08 03:32:17 PM
 
2013-03-08 03:32:56 PM
what the hell O.o
 
2013-03-08 03:34:07 PM

Yogimus: what the hell O.o


Winning the internet today!
 
2013-03-08 03:35:50 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-08 03:36:16 PM
I know, I am on the farking BALL.
 
2013-03-08 03:36:20 PM
http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/benefits-leave/fmla.htm

The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) provides certain employees with up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-protected leave per year. It also requires that their group health benefits be maintained during the leave.
 
2013-03-08 03:36:29 PM

Cymbal: And technically she was trying to use a breast pump, not breastfeed her baby. Pretty big difference there subby. Women don't want to be seen as just another milking cow hooked up to a machine. It's loud and much more distracting than breastfeeding to anyone in the area.


Go on...
 
2013-03-08 03:36:41 PM
Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.
 
2013-03-08 03:37:08 PM

Yogimus: I know, I am on the farking BALL.


FRIDAY. My second favorite F word.
 
2013-03-08 03:38:18 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: Yogimus: I know, I am on the farking BALL.

FRIDAY. My second favorite F word.


"Flatus".  I always liked Flatus.
 
2013-03-08 03:39:48 PM

kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.


I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.
 
2013-03-08 03:41:47 PM
ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
One of the only people I knew who had a job with maternity leave used her paid maternity leave then her unpaid FMLA on top of it. I feel like that kind of behavior makes covering any part of maternity leave less attractive to employers, because 25 weeks of leave is... well... unimaginable. Then the sister of a friend had a baby, took all her paid leave, then some unpaid leave, then left her job. I know companies aren't doing much to inspire loyalty in their workforce, but jeez, that seemed wrong to me.

The employer would instantly lay her off the second she was no longer useful to them, and some companies would aggressively try and find a way to make it look like her fault.  Some employers would let her come back from mat leave only to give her an "equivalent" job she couldn't possibly do, then fire her for under-performing.  Taking mat leave then quitting your job isn't going to get you fistfuls of good references, but if it's your right, it's your right.

There has to be better ways than this, but I'm not real sure what it is.

Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm.  I must have said something crazy.
 
2013-03-08 03:41:55 PM

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Both the Slate and the Fark headline got it wrong.  The article is about another reporter describing problems finding a place to pump at the White House - not about breastfeeding her baby at the White House.  Of course, since you RTFA, you know that.

Oh.
 
2013-03-08 03:43:20 PM

kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.


I think it sucks that your emplyer and /or tax payers have to finance you decision to commit parenthood.

If your employer can do without you long enough for your to spawn and wean your child maybe he/she does not really need you at all.
 
2013-03-08 03:43:59 PM

kiwimoogle84: And ACTUALLY, FLMA pay is covered under disability pay.


Disability pay is disability pay. It has nothing to do with FMLA.

My mother took it when my grandmother got cancer. Paid leave isn't JUST for crapping out kids.

You're right. Paid leave is also for vacation days and sick days. I don't care if you use your sick leave to be with a sick relative or to recover from a pregnancy. I do care if you get "extra" paid leave on top of your sick leave that your coworkers don't get.

And men can get PAID leave when his wife craps out a kid.

I don't think men should get paid paternity leave either (not that they do that often anyway). Everybody should get the same benefits. I don't care if you are a man or woman, parent or childless.

So no, I was right the first time. Go be mad and lonely somewhere else.
No you weren't. Paid maternity leave is at the discretion of your employer and has jack shiat to do with FMLA, so stop saying it does.
 
2013-03-08 03:45:16 PM
She probably didn't bring enough for everybody...
 
2013-03-08 03:45:55 PM

No Such Agency: Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm. I must have said something crazy.


What do you suggest?
 
2013-03-08 03:46:05 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.


Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.
 
2013-03-08 03:46:33 PM

Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off


That's just farking stupid.  I don't care what part of body the fluid comes from, leaving it in a public pool is just wrong.  Also, who lets a stew of chlorine and athlete's foot anywhere near their kid's food?  WTF?
 
2013-03-08 03:46:44 PM

kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.


agreed.
 
2013-03-08 03:49:07 PM

No Such Agency: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
One of the only people I knew who had a job with maternity leave used her paid maternity leave then her unpaid FMLA on top of it. I feel like that kind of behavior makes covering any part of maternity leave less attractive to employers, because 25 weeks of leave is... well... unimaginable. Then the sister of a friend had a baby, took all her paid leave, then some unpaid leave, then left her job. I know companies aren't doing much to inspire loyalty in their workforce, but jeez, that seemed wrong to me.

The employer would instantly lay her off the second she was no longer useful to them, and some companies would aggressively try and find a way to make it look like her fault.  Some employers would let her come back from mat leave only to give her an "equivalent" job she couldn't possibly do, then fire her for under-performing.  Taking mat leave then quitting your job isn't going to get you fistfuls of good references, but if it's your right, it's your right.

There has to be better ways than this, but I'm not real sure what it is.

Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm.  I must have said something crazy.


She was promoted within a year of coming back from her leave. I wouldn't have the nerve to do it. Her company has access controlled "new mother" rooms for pumping while you're at work (you schedule your visits to the room) and they have fancy fridges for safe storage. I have a friend who would sell her soul to work there, I can't really blame her for wanting to work for a company that doesn't hate your face for doing something other than working.

Meanwhile, my other friend moved into a new office when she returned from maternity leave. She was offered the use of the locker room in their onsite gym, which has no access control. They even suggested she could use the electric pump in the shower stall so she could have privacy behind the shower curtain. All offices and meeting areas were glass, so the old way she did it when she had her first child, of pumping in the privacy of her office, was out, since the new space was completely "open concept."
 
2013-03-08 03:49:28 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Or just maybe some careers and motherhood are not compatible; like the military or White House reporter.

It is supposed to be your body your business but why do the rest of us have to make so many accommodations  for what you decide to do with it?
 
2013-03-08 03:50:07 PM

Watubi: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

This wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so offended by schizophrenic about bare breasts.


Madonna. Whore.  etc.
 
2013-03-08 03:53:17 PM

dv-ous: We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


It's not that we "value" it as much as it's the only choice we have. If we don't minimize our absence from work, even for kids, we may end up sleeping on a cardboard box in the alley...
 
2013-03-08 03:53:21 PM

Yogimus: FlameDuck: Yogimus: FlameDuck: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.

Or you know... be like the 90% of mothers that figured this out.

Yup, best things come in a can.

No, if he came in the can, she wouldn't be in this predicament.


I was talking about beer.
 
2013-03-08 03:56:54 PM

kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.


Providing you don't die waiting to receive your "free" health care

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care, "  "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread and that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care, " -The Supreme Court of Canada, Chaoulli vs. Quebec on June 9, 2005
 
2013-03-08 03:56:55 PM
Why can't Grover Norquist eat in the commissary like everyone else?
 
2013-03-08 03:57:11 PM
Mommy Reporter Mommy Reporter  Mommy Reporter  Mommy Reporter  Mommy Reporter
 
2013-03-08 03:57:25 PM
So what the fark was this article about? The fact that Yahoo! didn't have a special nursing room built onto the White House? Or was it about the fact that The White House found accommodations even though they didn't have to? Maybe it was an article to educate us all on some of the finer points of the law? Seriously, I have no idea. This was like 4 paragraphs, and each time you thought that the intro was over and the actual story was going to begin, it went to another bullet point.

I'm glad this woman got a place to pump, but whoever wrote this shiat needs to be drug behind a car for a block or two. Or else they need to go back and take a few more journalism classes...
 
2013-03-08 03:59:34 PM

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I think it sucks that your emplyer and /or tax payers have to finance you decision to commit parenthood.

If your employer can do without you long enough for your to spawn and wean your child maybe he/she does not really need you at all.


At least our government realizes that giving children a good start at home bonding with their parents builds a better member of society who will later in life be able to contribute to their community/country by getting a good job and not living off welfare. Its science. :-)
 
2013-03-08 04:03:43 PM
us the bathroom, breeder
 
2013-03-08 04:04:04 PM

FlameDuck: Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.


Maybe now that there are 7 billion of them walking around, we can get around to acknowledging their non-miracle status.
 
2013-03-08 04:05:34 PM
And don't even TRY masturbating in that place, even though from the outside it looks like all that's going on in there.
 
2013-03-08 04:05:36 PM

tbhouston: us the bathroom, breeder


I LOL'd.
 
2013-03-08 04:07:05 PM

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Self-important Mommy-blogger who works for Yahoo and is looking for a non-story to turn into a story?
 
2013-03-08 04:07:10 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: tbhouston: us the bathroom, breeder

I LOL'd.


Maybe if you got to stay home with your mothers for 1 year after birth she could teach you how to spell the word "use". I lol'd too though...
 
2013-03-08 04:07:12 PM

kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,


In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.
 
2013-03-08 04:08:32 PM

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.

Providing you don't die waiting to receive your "free" health care

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care, "  "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread and that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care, " -The Supreme Court of Canada, Chaoulli vs. Quebec on June 9, 2005


Define "some".

I'd wager that the percentage of people dying in the U.S. from NO AFFORDABLE health care far outnumber the incredibly small percentage of Canadiens dying while wait listed.
 
2013-03-08 04:10:30 PM

hasty ambush: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Or just maybe some careers and motherhood are not compatible; like the military or White House reporter.

It is supposed to be your body your business but why do the rest of us have to make so many accommodations  for what you decide to do with it?


Because men don't make enough nowadays to afford their women to stay in the kitchen full time. We need dual income to even survive nowadays.


ko_kyi: kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,

In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.


I'm 100% positive they aren't talking about the actual pregnancy and childbirth itself. That part is a biatch.
 
2013-03-08 04:14:20 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: And, while we're at it... have you heard the sound a breast pump makes?


About the same noise that a penis pump makes.

Or so I've hear-, erm, been told.
 
2013-03-08 04:14:44 PM

Cymbal: hasty ambush: kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.

Providing you don't die waiting to receive your "free" health care

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care, "  "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread and that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care, " -The Supreme Court of Canada, Chaoulli vs. Quebec on June 9, 2005

Define "some".

I'd wager that the percentage of people dying in the U.S. from NO AFFORDABLE health care far outnumber the incredibly small percentage of Canadiens dying while wait listed.


Wait lists are usually for specialists and surgeries and since we all have FREE yearly check ups, FREE blood tests/ultrasounds/xrays etc. FREE hospital care, things are detected at earlier stages and therefore still have a better outcome than someone who cant afford to go to the doctor for something thats been bothering them for over a year, until (unfortunately) when they finally go its too late to do something about it. Sure you'll get care right away if you pay but at that point it might be pointless.
 
2013-03-08 04:14:48 PM
Yogimus:
No Such Agency: Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm. I must have said something crazy.

What do you suggest?


Well, As a smug-ass Canadian I would suggest what we do here.  Which is to say, up to 50 weeks of combined maternity leave and parental leave, at 55% of their previous salary, financed through employment insurance.  Job guaranteed when they return.  And somehow between that and accessible health care, our economy hasn't collapsed yet.

Children may not be a "right" for the individual, but they are a necessity for a functional society.  Effectively punishing people for having them is a bad idea.
 
2013-03-08 04:18:47 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: And, while we're at it... have you heard the sound a breast pump makes?

About the same noise that a penis pump makes.

Or so I've hear-, erm, been told.


I was going to compare it to the sound made by knock-off Fleshlights when you shake them vigorously in the air, but then I figured I'd have some 'splainin to do, so I thought better of it, but since you're going there... I don't know what a peener pump sounds like (since Mr. Unsympathetic is doing just fine) but I buy condoms from a specialty shop where the manager knows me and makes me laugh until I cry with the weird stuff they sell.
 
2013-03-08 04:18:58 PM

ko_kyi: kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,

In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.


citation (adjust for populaion size)
 
2013-03-08 04:21:17 PM

Cymbal: I'd wager that the percentage of people dying in the U.S. from NO AFFORDABLE health care far outnumber the incredibly small percentage of Canadiens dying while wait listed.


citation (adjust for population size)
Fixed
 
2013-03-08 04:29:12 PM

kittiekat21: Wait lists are usually for specialists and surgeries and since we all have FREE yearly check ups, FREE blood tests/ultrasounds/xrays etc. FREE hospital care, things are detected at earlier stages and therefore still have a better outcome than someone who cant afford to go to the doctor for something thats been bothering them for over a year, until (unfortunately) when they finally go its too late to do something about it. Sure you'll get care right away if you pay but at that point it might be pointless.


If by "free" you means somebody somewhere is paying for them then yes -"free"

www.usnews.com
 
2013-03-08 04:38:47 PM

This text is now purple: FlameDuck: Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.

Maybe now that there are 7 billion of them walking around, we can get around to acknowledging their non-miracle status.


What's your modest proposal?
 
2013-03-08 04:40:11 PM

hasty ambush: citation (adjust for populaion size)


Sorry, did I confuse you with my phrase "In my observation"?
 
2013-03-08 04:42:06 PM

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: Wait lists are usually for specialists and surgeries and since we all have FREE yearly check ups, FREE blood tests/ultrasounds/xrays etc. FREE hospital care, things are detected at earlier stages and therefore still have a better outcome than someone who cant afford to go to the doctor for something thats been bothering them for over a year, until (unfortunately) when they finally go its too late to do something about it. Sure you'll get care right away if you pay but at that point it might be pointless.

If by "free" you means somebody somewhere is paying for them then yes -"free"

[www.usnews.com image 600x450]


The preparer of that report, The Frasier Institute, has been regularly shown to use flawed and misleading research. The actual statistics, compiled by the care providers and self-reported by patients, is considerably less than what the Frasier Institute reports.

Additionally, even if wait times are longer in Canada than they are in the US (which they are, but not to the degree you imply), Canadians live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, are generally healthier, and suffer from fewer preventable diseases than the average person in the United States. Same goes for almost the entire developed world. Oh, and they almost all spend less of their respective GDP for these better results.

So...you know. Yeah.
 
2013-03-08 04:44:08 PM
So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)
 
2013-03-08 04:45:21 PM

Beeblebrox: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Just how long should maternity leave last?
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I'd bang the hell out of that psycho MILF.
 
2013-03-08 04:45:58 PM
People that get offended or grossed out about breastfeeding are morons and need to get a life.
 
2013-03-08 04:48:40 PM

megarian: So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)


To be fair, doesn't everyone have a problem with the Germans?
 
2013-03-08 04:51:45 PM

BishopHatto: People that get offended or grossed out about breastfeeding public urination are morons and need to get a life.

 
2013-03-08 04:54:55 PM

hasty ambush: If by "free" you means somebody somewhere is paying for them then yes -"free"


We are paying less for every one's free healthcare, than you Yanks are for what the hospitals charge your govt for the emergency care they have to provide to people with no money.

Also your chart dates from 2008.  The same report for the following year noted that:
 
"The Fraser Institute's nineteenth annual waiting list survey found that Canada-wide waiting times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments decreased in 2009. Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, fell from 17.3 weeks in 2008 to 16.1 weeks in 2009. This nation wide improvement in access reflects waiting-time decreases in 5 provinces, while concealing increases in waiting times in Alberta, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland & Labrador. The total waiting time in British Columbia was unchanged.
Among the provinces, Ontario achieved the shortest total wait in 2009, 12.5 weeks, with Manitoba (14.3 weeks), and Quebec (16.6 weeks), next shortest. Newfoundland & Labrador exhibited the longest total wait at 27.3 weeks; the next longest waits were found in Prince Edward Island (26.7 weeks) and New Brunswick (25.8 weeks).
The fall in waiting time between 2008 and 2009 results from a decrease both in the first wait-the wait between visiting a general practitioner and attending a consultation with a specialist-and in the second wait-from the time that a specialist decides that treatment is required to treatment."

After that, they stopped releasing it.
 
2013-03-08 04:57:16 PM

tricycleracer: Beeblebrox: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Just how long should maternity leave last?
[www.bagnewsnotes.com image 600x797]

I'd bang the hell out of that psycho MILF.


I'd agree but would be creeped out by that kid hanging off her tit during the deed.
 
2013-03-08 04:57:43 PM

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


Well, in all fairness, having kids is a choice, and heart surgery is not. A better comparison would be that I should get equivalent time off when I buy a new puppy, so that I don't have to drive home twice a day to walk it. If we were in a severe population shortage, then it would make sense for society to pay for more children, but right now that's not an issue.
 
2013-03-08 04:57:45 PM

hasty ambush: KwameKilstrawberry: kiwimoogle84: I think it's ridiculous that women campaign for equal wages and then expect the men to pay for all their meals out at restaurants. You want equality, or you want to be spoiled. You can't have both.

You're an idiot.

No he is not.  Women want it both ways equality and special treatment.  "Equal" women are supposedly ready to serve in the combat arms ( infantry, armor, artillery, etc) and face the rigours of combat in those brances but for some reason need special treatment under the law with things like the violence against women act.

Women supposedly want to be treated equal like men except when it comes to spawning.   They want all the authority to decide if to spawn or abort but daddy (the evil male whose kid it is also) only gets the responsiblity meaning make sure his wallet is open if women decides to keep his child.  Heck all she has to do is claim it is his and he may get stuck paying for it.  If they want all the authority let them assume all the responsiblity-from contraception or lack there of to financial responsibility.



You're both idiots for parrotting back the same bullshiat that makes people think of bra-burning when they hear the term 'feminism'.  You are both perpetuating an ongoing gender war that is proving to have devestating consequences on women right now, and you in particular, are full of vitriol.

When the government wants to ban condoms, and throw you in jail for knocking a chick up, you might have an understanding of what kind of threat the current political environment is to women.  And since we head 1/2 the families in this country, and are partners with almost all the rest, it really is in your best interest to support our wish to make a living, equitable income.
 
2013-03-08 05:00:27 PM

BishopHatto: People that get offended or grossed out about breastfeeding are morons and need to get a life.


it's usually other women...go figure
 
2013-03-08 05:05:15 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: hasty ambush: KwameKilstrawberry: kiwimoogle84: I think it's ridiculous that women campaign for equal wages and then expect the men to pay for all their meals out at restaurants. You want equality, or you want to be spoiled. You can't have both.

You're an idiot.

No he is not.  Women want it both ways equality and special treatment.  "Equal" women are supposedly ready to serve in the combat arms ( infantry, armor, artillery, etc) and face the rigours of combat in those brances but for some reason need special treatment under the law with things like the violence against women act.

Women supposedly want to be treated equal like men except when it comes to spawning.   They want all the authority to decide if to spawn or abort but daddy (the evil male whose kid it is also) only gets the responsiblity meaning make sure his wallet is open if women decides to keep his child.  Heck all she has to do is claim it is his and he may get stuck paying for it.  If they want all the authority let them assume all the responsiblity-from contraception or lack there of to financial responsibility.


You're both idiots for parrotting back the same bullshiat that makes people think of bra-burning when they hear the term 'feminism'.  You are both perpetuating an ongoing gender war that is proving to have devestating consequences on women right now, and you in particular, are full of vitriol.

When the government wants to ban condoms, and throw you in jail for knocking a chick up, you might have an understanding of what kind of threat the current political environment is to women.  And since we head 1/2 the families in this country, and are partners with almost all the rest, it really is in your best interest to support our wish to make a living, equitable income.


To be fair, it isn't that bad...yet. No one is trying to ban contraception, some organizations are (for stupid reasons) trying to get out of paying for it. No health plan pays for condoms, so it's not really a fair comparison.

I'm guessing your "throw you in jail for knocking a chick up" thing is an analogy for abortion and the Right's opposition to it. There you're getting closer. No one will go to jail right now for having an abortion, but a lot of states are damn well trying to.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is don't accuse someone of hyperbole and then do it yourself, even if it's to a lesser degree and even if you're more right than they are. :)
 
2013-03-08 05:12:13 PM

Cymbal: Yogimus: http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.

Yikes! I just can't believe someone stuck their dick in that bug-eyed troglodyte long enough to get her pregnant. She looks more like "in through the out door" material to me.


How can you say such unnecessarily mean-spirited and horrible things, unprovoked, about anyone? I get it - this is the internet, and all. But still. Would you really say that to someone face to face?

I think you are a terrible person. And I would tell you that to your face without feeling ashamed or embarrassed at my conduct.
 
2013-03-08 05:14:15 PM

daveUSMC: Cymbal: Yogimus: http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.

Yikes! I just can't believe someone stuck their dick in that bug-eyed troglodyte long enough to get her pregnant. She looks more like "in through the out door" material to me.

How can you say such unnecessarily mean-spirited and horrible things, unprovoked, about anyone? I get it - this is the internet, and all. But still. Would you really say that to someone face to face?

I think you are a terrible person. And I would tell you that to your face without feeling ashamed or embarrassed at my conduct.


http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
 
2013-03-08 05:16:14 PM
KwameKilstrawberry(deleted: Personal attacks/namecalling)
Well, aren't you just the most precious little thing. Didn't mean to upset your delicate sensibilities. I'll have to be much less harsh when you feel the vapors coming on.

Bless your heart, and welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-03-08 05:21:19 PM

Lord Dimwit: Additionally, even if wait times are longer in Canada than they are in the US (which they are, but not to the degree you imply), Canadians live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, are generally healthier, and suffer from fewer preventable diseases than the average person in the United States. Same goes for almost the entire developed world


I did nto imply those wait times they are the figures from Canada, not my implication.

If you adjust for deaths due to non-helaht care related issues like car accidents (Americans drive more than anyone else), violent crime etc. We actually live longer:

health care isn't the only factor in life expectancy since all manner of things can kill you: crime, war, accident, diet and exercise behavior, etc. , when we control for things likw traffic fatalities and homicides, "The US jumps from 15th on the list with a life expectancy of 75.3 to 1st with a life expectancy of 76.9.

So one of the central and oft-quoted motivations for government control of health care "The US spends more per capita on health care than any other country, and yet has one of the lowest life expectancies of any developed country" is quite misleading.

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Also

www.nospeedbumps.com

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

www.chipbennett.net
 
2013-03-08 05:25:58 PM

Lord Dimwit: daveUSMC: Cymbal: Yogimus: http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.

Yikes! I just can't believe someone stuck their dick in that bug-eyed troglodyte long enough to get her pregnant. She looks more like "in through the out door" material to me.

How can you say such unnecessarily mean-spirited and horrible things, unprovoked, about anyone? I get it - this is the internet, and all. But still. Would you really say that to someone face to face?

I think you are a terrible person. And I would tell you that to your face without feeling ashamed or embarrassed at my conduct.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19


I know. I know. But I think there has to be some sort of form of holding people - even the anonymous dickbags - accountable. Anyone with any sort of valid thing to say does not spew that kind of hate for the sake of hate. I call upon the Internet Justice League to shun this user and disregard everything he says until some mea culpa has been demonstrated.
 
2013-03-08 05:28:18 PM

Lord Dimwit: To be fair, it isn't that bad...yet. No one is trying to ban contraception, some organizations are (for stupid reasons) trying to get out of paying for it. No health plan pays for condoms, so it's not really a fair comparison.

I'm guessing your "throw you in jail for knocking a chick up" thing is an analogy for abortion and the Right's opposition to it. There you're getting closer. No one will go to jail right now for having an abortion, but a lot of states are damn well trying to.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is don't accuse someone of hyperbole and then do it yourself, even if it's to a lesser degree and even if you're more right than they are. :)


Men have one prophylactic that is cheap, legal and over the counter.  Now, name how many of the same that women have.  It is not hyperbole when all our birth control options already require medical supervision, meaning additional costs, follow up, health risks and regulations.  Anything that has regulations can be used as a political football, including pushing for devestating restrictions to access that stops just short of a ban, which is happening all over the red states (and some purple) right now.

So give me a D+ for writing style, but you've demonstrated you got my point.
 
2013-03-08 05:30:00 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: Men have one prophylactic that is cheap, legal and over the counter.  Now, name how many of the same that women have.


um, the same one?  Women are allowed to buy them as well.  Not sure if you were aware, and they work no matter who buys them.

The more you know....
 
2013-03-08 05:36:08 PM

hasty ambush: Lord Dimwit: Additionally, even if wait times are longer in Canada than they are in the US (which they are, but not to the degree you imply), Canadians live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, are generally healthier, and suffer from fewer preventable diseases than the average person in the United States. Same goes for almost the entire developed world

I did nto imply those wait times they are the figures from Canada, not my implication.

If you adjust for deaths due to non-helaht care related issues like car accidents (Americans drive more than anyone else), violent crime etc. We actually live longer:

health care isn't the only factor in life expectancy since all manner of things can kill you: crime, war, accident, diet and exercise behavior, etc. , when we control for things likw traffic fatalities and homicides, "The US jumps from 15th on the list with a life expectancy of 75.3 to 1st with a life expectancy of 76.9.

So one of the central and oft-quoted motivations for government control of health care "The US spends more per capita on health care than any other country, and yet has one of the lowest life expectancies of any developed country" is quite misleading.

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Also

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How do you explain the vast difference in infant and maternal mortality rates? It's not like those babies are driving in cars or fighting in wars.

As for the cancer survival rates, insured Americans do indeed tend to survive better and longer than their counterparts in the rest of the developed world - but  uninsured Americans have a survival rate lower than that of, for example, Canada. Additionally, those studies have been questioned due to the fact that the populations in question tend to be older. The number of people under the age of 14 in the United States is almost double the number of people over the age of 65, whereas in Europe, the number of people over 65 slightly outnumber the number of people under 14. Older populations tend to have lower survival rates for cancer just because they tend to have lower survival rates for  everything.
 
2013-03-08 05:36:44 PM

ko_kyi: KwameKilstrawberry: Men have one prophylactic that is cheap, legal and over the counter.  Now, name how many of the same that women have.

um, the same one?  Women are allowed to buy them as well.  Not sure if you were aware, and they work no matter who buys them.

The more you know....


There is that film and female condoms too!
 
2013-03-08 05:39:33 PM
We have a lady here at work that has just had a child and one day there was an issue with her computer so I was looking into the matter when she asked how much longer I was going to be. I told her that I wasn't sure and she informed me that she needed to use her breast pump. I told her that my sister lived with us when she had her first child and I knew how uncomfortable it gets when you do not use the breast pump in a timely manner. I then told her that I would not be offended or embarrassed if she went ahead and used her pump. She thought about it for a second and then said ok, took off her shirt and bra and then attached the cups to her breasts and started the pump. I completed my work explained what the problem was then thanked her for trusting me, complemented her on her breast and told her I was honored to have been able to see them. I find that if you treat women with respect you tend to be allowed to enjoy seeing many of them in some state of undress that you normally would have no hope to see nude.
 
2013-03-08 05:41:22 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: Lord Dimwit: To be fair, it isn't that bad...yet. No one is trying to ban contraception, some organizations are (for stupid reasons) trying to get out of paying for it. No health plan pays for condoms, so it's not really a fair comparison.

I'm guessing your "throw you in jail for knocking a chick up" thing is an analogy for abortion and the Right's opposition to it. There you're getting closer. No one will go to jail right now for having an abortion, but a lot of states are damn well trying to.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is don't accuse someone of hyperbole and then do it yourself, even if it's to a lesser degree and even if you're more right than they are. :)

Men have one prophylactic that is cheap, legal and over the counter.  Now, name how many of the same that women have.  It is not hyperbole when all our birth control options already require medical supervision, meaning additional costs, follow up, health risks and regulations.  Anything that has regulations can be used as a political football, including pushing for devestating restrictions to access that stops just short of a ban, which is happening all over the red states (and some purple) right now.

So give me a D+ for writing style, but you've demonstrated you got my point.


Women can buy condoms too, not just men, and no state, not even one of the red ones, has even suggested a ban on female contraception (or condoms for that matter), though again they are trying to essentially ban it for the groups where it would do the most good (teenagers).

I'm not trying to be contrarian - there is a definite war on women from the political right in this country and it is disgusting. What's more of a concern is the fact that they can be so open about it and half the country thinks that it's both (a) not sexist and (b) the right direction in which to move. It bothers the ever-loving hell out of me.
 
2013-03-08 05:42:20 PM

Lord Dimwit: megarian: So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)

To be fair, doesn't everyone have a problem with the Germans?


I don't have a problem with them as far as porn goes... Ifyaknowwhatimean.

/andithinkyado
//I don't have any idea what I'm talking about
 
2013-03-08 05:43:49 PM

megarian: Lord Dimwit: megarian: So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)

To be fair, doesn't everyone have a problem with the Germans?

I don't have a problem with them as far as porn goes... Ifyaknowwhatimean.

/andithinkyado
//I don't have any idea what I'm talking about


I lived just across the German border for a while and had a lot of German friends. One guy was this short, conservative, unassuming, affable guy. Went to his house one time and saw a sex swing through his bedroom window. Those German's are an odd folk.
 
2013-03-08 05:59:01 PM

Lord Dimwit: hasty ambush: Lord Dimwit: Additionally, even if wait times are longer in Canada than they are in the US (which they are, but not to the degree you imply), Canadians live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, are generally healthier, and suffer from fewer preventable diseases than the average person in the United States. Same goes for almost the entire developed world

I did nto imply those wait times they are the figures from Canada, not my implication.

If you adjust for deaths due to non-helaht care related issues like car accidents (Americans drive more than anyone else), violent crime etc. We actually live longer:

health care isn't the only factor in life expectancy since all manner of things can kill you: crime, war, accident, diet and exercise behavior, etc. , when we control for things likw traffic fatalities and homicides, "The US jumps from 15th on the list with a life expectancy of 75.3 to 1st with a life expectancy of 76.9.

So one of the central and oft-quoted motivations for government control of health care "The US spends more per capita on health care than any other country, and yet has one of the lowest life expectancies of any developed country" is quite misleading.

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How do you explain the vast difference in infant and maternal mortality rates? It's not like those babies are driving in cars or fighting in wars.

As for the cancer survival rates, insured Americans do indeed tend to survive better and longer than their counterparts in the rest of the developed world - but  uninsured Americans have a survival rate lower than that of, for example, Canada. Additionally, those studies have been questioned due to the fact that the populations in question tend to be older. The number of people under the age of 14 in the United States is almost double the number ...


Wait, you mean some individuals who engage in one high risk behavior (not having insurance) also engage in other high risk behaviors (like being in a street gang)?
 
2013-03-08 06:02:03 PM
Lord Dimwit there is a definite war on women from the political right in this country and it is disgusting. What's more of a concern is the fact that they can be so open about it and half the country thinks that it's both (a) not sexist and (b) the right direction in which to move. It bothers the ever-loving hell out of me.


Semantics and condom gaffes aside, that's what I'm saying, right there. It's dangerous and prevalent and you can see examples of it right here in this thread.
 
2013-03-08 06:05:16 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: hasty ambush: KwameKilstrawberry: kiwimoogle84: I think it's ridiculous that women campaign for equal wages and then expect the men to pay for all their meals out at restaurants. You want equality, or you want to be spoiled. You can't have both.

You're an idiot.

No he is not.  Women want it both ways equality and special treatment.  "Equal" women are supposedly ready to serve in the combat arms ( infantry, armor, artillery, etc) and face the rigours of combat in those brances but for some reason need special treatment under the law with things like the violence against women act.

Women supposedly want to be treated equal like men except when it comes to spawning.   They want all the authority to decide if to spawn or abort but daddy (the evil male whose kid it is also) only gets the responsiblity meaning make sure his wallet is open if women decides to keep his child.  Heck all she has to do is claim it is his and he may get stuck paying for it.  If they want all the authority let them assume all the responsiblity-from contraception or lack there of to financial responsibility.


You're both idiots for parrotting back the same bullshiat that makes people think of bra-burning when they hear the term 'feminism'.  You are both perpetuating an ongoing gender war that is proving to have devestating consequences on women right now, and you in particular, are full of vitriol.

When the government wants to ban condoms, and throw you in jail for knocking a chick up, you might have an understanding of what kind of threat the current political environment is to women.  And since we head 1/2 the families in this country, and are partners with almost all the rest, it really is in your best interest to support our wish to make a living, equitable income.


I absolutely do. Absolutely. Go make that money. Just promise then that you'll pay your half on all first dates and hold your own doors open. And all the Curves gyms have to close, if you want to be fair about it. And maybe stop wailing on your boyfriend when he pisses you off and then cry abuse when he restrains you.

I'm a chick, and I think most women bring these problems on themselves. Sorry. Maybe if less women blew a thousand dollars on purses every weekend they'd have more money to pay bills with. I'm not saying it's every case, and there are exemptions to every rule. But as a whole, most women want equality until they want special treatment. I have SEEN THIS IN ACTION.
 
2013-03-08 06:09:46 PM

Profedius: We have a lady here at work that has just had a child and one day there was an issue with her computer so I was looking into the matter when she asked how much longer I was going to be. I told her that I wasn't sure and she informed me that she needed to use her breast pump. I told her that my sister lived with us when she had her first child and I knew how uncomfortable it gets when you do not use the breast pump in a timely manner. I then told her that I would not be offended or embarrassed if she went ahead and used her pump. She thought about it for a second and then said ok, took off her shirt and bra and then attached the cups to her breasts and started the pump. I completed my work explained what the problem was then thanked her for trusting me, complemented her on her breast and told her I was honored to have been able to see them. I find that if you treat women with respect you tend to be allowed to enjoy seeing many of them in some state of undress that you normally would have no hope to see nude.


You are a rare breed. Most women I know probably wouldn't have been comfortable. I'm not sure I would be. It's nice that you were up front though and have her the option.
 
2013-03-08 06:21:34 PM

kiwimoogle84: I absolutely do. Absolutely. Go make that money. Just promise then that you'll pay your half on all first dates and hold your own doors open. And all the Curves gyms have to close, if you want to be fair about it. And maybe stop wailing on your boyfriend when he pisses you off and then cry abuse when he restrains you.

I'm a chick, and I think most women bring these problems on themselves. Sorry. Maybe if less women blew a thousand dollars on purses every weekend they'd have more money to pay bills with. I'm not saying it's every case, and there are exemptions to every rule. But as a whole, most women want equality until they want special treatment. I have SEEN THIS IN ACTION.


Are you feeling ok? You sound like a different person suddenly.
 
2013-03-08 06:40:32 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And don't even TRY masturbating in that place, even though from the outside it looks like all that's going on in there.


LOL
 
2013-03-08 07:17:46 PM

umad: kiwimoogle84: I absolutely do. Absolutely. Go make that money. Just promise then that you'll pay your half on all first dates and hold your own doors open. And all the Curves gyms have to close, if you want to be fair about it. And maybe stop wailing on your boyfriend when he pisses you off and then cry abuse when he restrains you.

I'm a chick, and I think most women bring these problems on themselves. Sorry. Maybe if less women blew a thousand dollars on purses every weekend they'd have more money to pay bills with. I'm not saying it's every case, and there are exemptions to every rule. But as a whole, most women want equality until they want special treatment. I have SEEN THIS IN ACTION.

Are you feeling ok? You sound like a different person suddenly.


I see both points of view. Women work hard and bear the physical repercussions of breeding, therefore leave for it is acceptable. And a lot of women HAVE to work these days for a dual income home. So when they take ONLY six weeks off to bond with their kid, they're really not taking that much time, all things considered.

However, I think a lot of women who go around demanding equality in all things have some real holes to their logic. If you want to be the wage earner, then you can pay for HIS meals. And buy your own damn jewelry. You can't be 100% equal but still expect him to lavish you on valentine's day unless you give back equally as much, which, sadly, most women don't do.
 
2013-03-08 07:38:36 PM

Lord Dimwit: megarian: Lord Dimwit: megarian: So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)

To be fair, doesn't everyone have a problem with the Germans?

I don't have a problem with them as far as porn goes... Ifyaknowwhatimean.

/andithinkyado
//I don't have any idea what I'm talking about

I lived just across the German border for a while and had a lot of German friends. One guy was this short, conservative, unassuming, affable guy. Went to his house one time and saw a sex swing through his bedroom window. Those German's are an odd folk.


Yeah. Every time I think I'm kind of "off" sexually, I just change my
regular Google to German key words and POOF! I'm normal!
 
2013-03-08 08:10:55 PM

Lord Dimwit: How do you explain the vast difference in infant and maternal mortality rates? It's not like those babies are driving in cars or fighting in wars.


It is mostly on how they are calculated, not all countries use the WHO standard.

It has also been common practice in several countries (e.g. Belgium, France, Spain) to register as live births only those infants who survived for a specified period beyond birth. Those who did not survive were placed in a category often known as "false stillbirths" or they were completely ignored for registration purposes

in France, Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands and Poland, the fetus must be at least 22 weeks and/or weigh 500 grams, if not, it is not a live birth and not counted as a part of the infant mortality rate.

Cuba also uses a different standard which Michael Moore failed to mention in his propaganda piece

"In the U.S. we have many intensive care nurseries that save babies as young as 22 weeks gestation. In the U.S. if a tiny preemie is born at 22 wks, or 25 wks., and lives even a few minutes, it is counted as a live birth and the death goes into the infant mortality figures".
 
2013-03-09 08:36:35 AM

kiwimoogle84: , I think a lot of women who go around demanding equality in all things have some real holes to their logic.


You sound rational.  We'll have none of that on Fark.
 
2013-03-09 11:46:26 AM

ko_kyi: kiwimoogle84: , I think a lot of women who go around demanding equality in all things have some real holes to their logic.

You sound rational.  We'll have none of that on Fark.


What would you prefer, me posting pictures of my knees so you can call them sharp?
 
2013-03-09 06:17:26 PM

kiwimoogle84: ko_kyi: kiwimoogle84: , I think a lot of women who go around demanding equality in all things have some real holes to their logic.

You sound rational.  We'll have none of that on Fark.

What would you prefer, me posting pictures of my knees so you can call them sharp?


I must see the knees before I make such a determination.
 
2013-03-09 07:53:28 PM
A customer of mine was the IT Manager for her office, and she mentioned how she just used the server closet to pump because she was already the only one with a key for it.  Now that I've read in this thread how loud they are it kind of makes sense.
 
2013-03-09 08:11:38 PM
When will the democrats stop their WAR ON WOMEN?
(Oh, wait, we only use that term when we are trying to win elections against evil republicans. No matter what, democrats get a free pass)
 
2013-03-09 09:43:07 PM

jdmac: When will the democrats stop their WAR ON WOMEN?
(Oh, wait, we only use that term when we are trying to win elections against evil republicans. No matter what, democrats get a free pass)


How long have you been trolling threads to find one you could almost fit that phrase into?
 
2013-03-11 04:38:06 AM

jdmac: When will the democrats stop their WAR ON WOMEN?
(Oh, wait, we only use that term when we are trying to win elections against evil republicans. No matter what, democrats get a free pass)


Hey, did you know Obama pays all the women on his staff less than the men? It's okay though, he's a Democrat.
 
2013-03-11 12:04:41 PM

jdmac: When will the democrats stop their WAR ON WOMEN?
(Oh, wait, we only use that term when we are trying to win elections against evil republicans. No matter what, democrats get a free pass)


Actually, the Obama White House went above and beyond what they were required to do; she's not employed by the WH, she's employed by Yahoo.

Also, I think there's a big difference between not being able to find her a dedicated room for breast pumping in already-tight and highly secure quarters but still giving her the best that could be found versus having every male member of your Senate caucus voting to allow rape to be investigated by the rapists.

So, yeah.
 
2013-03-11 02:19:58 PM
End-of-thread troll: successful.
 
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