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2013-03-08 03:35:50 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-08 03:36:16 PM
I know, I am on the farking BALL.
 
2013-03-08 03:36:20 PM
http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/benefits-leave/fmla.htm

The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) provides certain employees with up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-protected leave per year. It also requires that their group health benefits be maintained during the leave.
 
2013-03-08 03:36:29 PM

Cymbal: And technically she was trying to use a breast pump, not breastfeed her baby. Pretty big difference there subby. Women don't want to be seen as just another milking cow hooked up to a machine. It's loud and much more distracting than breastfeeding to anyone in the area.


Go on...
 
2013-03-08 03:36:41 PM
Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.
 
2013-03-08 03:37:08 PM

Yogimus: I know, I am on the farking BALL.


FRIDAY. My second favorite F word.
 
2013-03-08 03:38:18 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: Yogimus: I know, I am on the farking BALL.

FRIDAY. My second favorite F word.


"Flatus".  I always liked Flatus.
 
2013-03-08 03:39:48 PM

kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.


I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.
 
2013-03-08 03:41:47 PM
ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
One of the only people I knew who had a job with maternity leave used her paid maternity leave then her unpaid FMLA on top of it. I feel like that kind of behavior makes covering any part of maternity leave less attractive to employers, because 25 weeks of leave is... well... unimaginable. Then the sister of a friend had a baby, took all her paid leave, then some unpaid leave, then left her job. I know companies aren't doing much to inspire loyalty in their workforce, but jeez, that seemed wrong to me.

The employer would instantly lay her off the second she was no longer useful to them, and some companies would aggressively try and find a way to make it look like her fault.  Some employers would let her come back from mat leave only to give her an "equivalent" job she couldn't possibly do, then fire her for under-performing.  Taking mat leave then quitting your job isn't going to get you fistfuls of good references, but if it's your right, it's your right.

There has to be better ways than this, but I'm not real sure what it is.

Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm.  I must have said something crazy.
 
2013-03-08 03:41:55 PM

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Both the Slate and the Fark headline got it wrong.  The article is about another reporter describing problems finding a place to pump at the White House - not about breastfeeding her baby at the White House.  Of course, since you RTFA, you know that.

Oh.
 
2013-03-08 03:43:20 PM

kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.


I think it sucks that your emplyer and /or tax payers have to finance you decision to commit parenthood.

If your employer can do without you long enough for your to spawn and wean your child maybe he/she does not really need you at all.
 
2013-03-08 03:43:59 PM

kiwimoogle84: And ACTUALLY, FLMA pay is covered under disability pay.


Disability pay is disability pay. It has nothing to do with FMLA.

My mother took it when my grandmother got cancer. Paid leave isn't JUST for crapping out kids.

You're right. Paid leave is also for vacation days and sick days. I don't care if you use your sick leave to be with a sick relative or to recover from a pregnancy. I do care if you get "extra" paid leave on top of your sick leave that your coworkers don't get.

And men can get PAID leave when his wife craps out a kid.

I don't think men should get paid paternity leave either (not that they do that often anyway). Everybody should get the same benefits. I don't care if you are a man or woman, parent or childless.

So no, I was right the first time. Go be mad and lonely somewhere else.
No you weren't. Paid maternity leave is at the discretion of your employer and has jack shiat to do with FMLA, so stop saying it does.
 
2013-03-08 03:45:16 PM
She probably didn't bring enough for everybody...
 
2013-03-08 03:45:55 PM

No Such Agency: Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm. I must have said something crazy.


What do you suggest?
 
2013-03-08 03:46:05 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.


Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.
 
2013-03-08 03:46:33 PM

Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off


That's just farking stupid.  I don't care what part of body the fluid comes from, leaving it in a public pool is just wrong.  Also, who lets a stew of chlorine and athlete's foot anywhere near their kid's food?  WTF?
 
2013-03-08 03:46:44 PM

kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.


agreed.
 
2013-03-08 03:49:07 PM

No Such Agency: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
One of the only people I knew who had a job with maternity leave used her paid maternity leave then her unpaid FMLA on top of it. I feel like that kind of behavior makes covering any part of maternity leave less attractive to employers, because 25 weeks of leave is... well... unimaginable. Then the sister of a friend had a baby, took all her paid leave, then some unpaid leave, then left her job. I know companies aren't doing much to inspire loyalty in their workforce, but jeez, that seemed wrong to me.

The employer would instantly lay her off the second she was no longer useful to them, and some companies would aggressively try and find a way to make it look like her fault.  Some employers would let her come back from mat leave only to give her an "equivalent" job she couldn't possibly do, then fire her for under-performing.  Taking mat leave then quitting your job isn't going to get you fistfuls of good references, but if it's your right, it's your right.

There has to be better ways than this, but I'm not real sure what it is.

Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm.  I must have said something crazy.


She was promoted within a year of coming back from her leave. I wouldn't have the nerve to do it. Her company has access controlled "new mother" rooms for pumping while you're at work (you schedule your visits to the room) and they have fancy fridges for safe storage. I have a friend who would sell her soul to work there, I can't really blame her for wanting to work for a company that doesn't hate your face for doing something other than working.

Meanwhile, my other friend moved into a new office when she returned from maternity leave. She was offered the use of the locker room in their onsite gym, which has no access control. They even suggested she could use the electric pump in the shower stall so she could have privacy behind the shower curtain. All offices and meeting areas were glass, so the old way she did it when she had her first child, of pumping in the privacy of her office, was out, since the new space was completely "open concept."
 
2013-03-08 03:49:28 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Or just maybe some careers and motherhood are not compatible; like the military or White House reporter.

It is supposed to be your body your business but why do the rest of us have to make so many accommodations  for what you decide to do with it?
 
2013-03-08 03:50:07 PM

Watubi: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

This wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so offended by schizophrenic about bare breasts.


Madonna. Whore.  etc.
 
2013-03-08 03:53:17 PM

dv-ous: We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


It's not that we "value" it as much as it's the only choice we have. If we don't minimize our absence from work, even for kids, we may end up sleeping on a cardboard box in the alley...
 
2013-03-08 03:53:21 PM

Yogimus: FlameDuck: Yogimus: FlameDuck: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.

Or you know... be like the 90% of mothers that figured this out.

Yup, best things come in a can.

No, if he came in the can, she wouldn't be in this predicament.


I was talking about beer.
 
2013-03-08 03:56:54 PM

kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.


Providing you don't die waiting to receive your "free" health care

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care, "  "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread and that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care, " -The Supreme Court of Canada, Chaoulli vs. Quebec on June 9, 2005
 
2013-03-08 03:56:55 PM
Why can't Grover Norquist eat in the commissary like everyone else?
 
2013-03-08 03:57:11 PM
Mommy Reporter Mommy Reporter  Mommy Reporter  Mommy Reporter  Mommy Reporter
 
2013-03-08 03:57:25 PM
So what the fark was this article about? The fact that Yahoo! didn't have a special nursing room built onto the White House? Or was it about the fact that The White House found accommodations even though they didn't have to? Maybe it was an article to educate us all on some of the finer points of the law? Seriously, I have no idea. This was like 4 paragraphs, and each time you thought that the intro was over and the actual story was going to begin, it went to another bullet point.

I'm glad this woman got a place to pump, but whoever wrote this shiat needs to be drug behind a car for a block or two. Or else they need to go back and take a few more journalism classes...
 
2013-03-08 03:59:34 PM

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I think it sucks that your emplyer and /or tax payers have to finance you decision to commit parenthood.

If your employer can do without you long enough for your to spawn and wean your child maybe he/she does not really need you at all.


At least our government realizes that giving children a good start at home bonding with their parents builds a better member of society who will later in life be able to contribute to their community/country by getting a good job and not living off welfare. Its science. :-)
 
2013-03-08 04:03:43 PM
us the bathroom, breeder
 
2013-03-08 04:04:04 PM

FlameDuck: Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.


Maybe now that there are 7 billion of them walking around, we can get around to acknowledging their non-miracle status.
 
2013-03-08 04:05:34 PM
And don't even TRY masturbating in that place, even though from the outside it looks like all that's going on in there.
 
2013-03-08 04:05:36 PM

tbhouston: us the bathroom, breeder


I LOL'd.
 
2013-03-08 04:07:05 PM

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Self-important Mommy-blogger who works for Yahoo and is looking for a non-story to turn into a story?
 
2013-03-08 04:07:10 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: tbhouston: us the bathroom, breeder

I LOL'd.


Maybe if you got to stay home with your mothers for 1 year after birth she could teach you how to spell the word "use". I lol'd too though...
 
2013-03-08 04:07:12 PM

kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,


In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.
 
2013-03-08 04:08:32 PM

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.

Providing you don't die waiting to receive your "free" health care

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care, "  "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread and that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care, " -The Supreme Court of Canada, Chaoulli vs. Quebec on June 9, 2005


Define "some".

I'd wager that the percentage of people dying in the U.S. from NO AFFORDABLE health care far outnumber the incredibly small percentage of Canadiens dying while wait listed.
 
2013-03-08 04:10:30 PM

hasty ambush: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Or just maybe some careers and motherhood are not compatible; like the military or White House reporter.

It is supposed to be your body your business but why do the rest of us have to make so many accommodations  for what you decide to do with it?


Because men don't make enough nowadays to afford their women to stay in the kitchen full time. We need dual income to even survive nowadays.


ko_kyi: kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,

In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.


I'm 100% positive they aren't talking about the actual pregnancy and childbirth itself. That part is a biatch.
 
2013-03-08 04:14:20 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: And, while we're at it... have you heard the sound a breast pump makes?


About the same noise that a penis pump makes.

Or so I've hear-, erm, been told.
 
2013-03-08 04:14:44 PM

Cymbal: hasty ambush: kittiekat21: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kittiekat21: Im getting a huge kick outta this being a new mom (in Canada) and breastfeeding whenever the fark I want to/need to in my own home while on my paid 1 year maternity leave. You guys suck. Oh no, wait, you don't.

I heard Canadians have easy import rules on foreign nannies too. And that you're not financially ruined if someone in your family gets cancer.

Tis' true (for the most part). Its definitely nice being able to get the health care you need without having to worry about how youre going to pay for it. No one should go bankrupt just to be healthy. Thats a backwards system you guys got going on down there.

Providing you don't die waiting to receive your "free" health care

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care, "  "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread and that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care, " -The Supreme Court of Canada, Chaoulli vs. Quebec on June 9, 2005

Define "some".

I'd wager that the percentage of people dying in the U.S. from NO AFFORDABLE health care far outnumber the incredibly small percentage of Canadiens dying while wait listed.


Wait lists are usually for specialists and surgeries and since we all have FREE yearly check ups, FREE blood tests/ultrasounds/xrays etc. FREE hospital care, things are detected at earlier stages and therefore still have a better outcome than someone who cant afford to go to the doctor for something thats been bothering them for over a year, until (unfortunately) when they finally go its too late to do something about it. Sure you'll get care right away if you pay but at that point it might be pointless.
 
2013-03-08 04:14:48 PM
Yogimus:
No Such Agency: Well maybe America could try not treating its working people like serfs, but woop woop, oh there goes the crazy alarm. I must have said something crazy.

What do you suggest?


Well, As a smug-ass Canadian I would suggest what we do here.  Which is to say, up to 50 weeks of combined maternity leave and parental leave, at 55% of their previous salary, financed through employment insurance.  Job guaranteed when they return.  And somehow between that and accessible health care, our economy hasn't collapsed yet.

Children may not be a "right" for the individual, but they are a necessity for a functional society.  Effectively punishing people for having them is a bad idea.
 
2013-03-08 04:18:47 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: And, while we're at it... have you heard the sound a breast pump makes?

About the same noise that a penis pump makes.

Or so I've hear-, erm, been told.


I was going to compare it to the sound made by knock-off Fleshlights when you shake them vigorously in the air, but then I figured I'd have some 'splainin to do, so I thought better of it, but since you're going there... I don't know what a peener pump sounds like (since Mr. Unsympathetic is doing just fine) but I buy condoms from a specialty shop where the manager knows me and makes me laugh until I cry with the weird stuff they sell.
 
2013-03-08 04:18:58 PM

ko_kyi: kiwimoogle84: as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony,

In my observation it is so terrible that about a third of women can't wait to do it again.


citation (adjust for populaion size)
 
2013-03-08 04:21:17 PM

Cymbal: I'd wager that the percentage of people dying in the U.S. from NO AFFORDABLE health care far outnumber the incredibly small percentage of Canadiens dying while wait listed.


citation (adjust for population size)
Fixed
 
2013-03-08 04:29:12 PM

kittiekat21: Wait lists are usually for specialists and surgeries and since we all have FREE yearly check ups, FREE blood tests/ultrasounds/xrays etc. FREE hospital care, things are detected at earlier stages and therefore still have a better outcome than someone who cant afford to go to the doctor for something thats been bothering them for over a year, until (unfortunately) when they finally go its too late to do something about it. Sure you'll get care right away if you pay but at that point it might be pointless.


If by "free" you means somebody somewhere is paying for them then yes -"free"

www.usnews.com
 
2013-03-08 04:38:47 PM

This text is now purple: FlameDuck: Indeed, it's important that we have priorities and babies should understand.

Maybe now that there are 7 billion of them walking around, we can get around to acknowledging their non-miracle status.


What's your modest proposal?
 
2013-03-08 04:40:11 PM

hasty ambush: citation (adjust for populaion size)


Sorry, did I confuse you with my phrase "In my observation"?
 
2013-03-08 04:42:06 PM

hasty ambush: kittiekat21: Wait lists are usually for specialists and surgeries and since we all have FREE yearly check ups, FREE blood tests/ultrasounds/xrays etc. FREE hospital care, things are detected at earlier stages and therefore still have a better outcome than someone who cant afford to go to the doctor for something thats been bothering them for over a year, until (unfortunately) when they finally go its too late to do something about it. Sure you'll get care right away if you pay but at that point it might be pointless.

If by "free" you means somebody somewhere is paying for them then yes -"free"

[www.usnews.com image 600x450]


The preparer of that report, The Frasier Institute, has been regularly shown to use flawed and misleading research. The actual statistics, compiled by the care providers and self-reported by patients, is considerably less than what the Frasier Institute reports.

Additionally, even if wait times are longer in Canada than they are in the US (which they are, but not to the degree you imply), Canadians live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, are generally healthier, and suffer from fewer preventable diseases than the average person in the United States. Same goes for almost the entire developed world. Oh, and they almost all spend less of their respective GDP for these better results.

So...you know. Yeah.
 
2013-03-08 04:44:08 PM
So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)
 
2013-03-08 04:45:21 PM

Beeblebrox: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Just how long should maternity leave last?
[www.bagnewsnotes.com image 600x797]


I'd bang the hell out of that psycho MILF.
 
2013-03-08 04:45:58 PM
People that get offended or grossed out about breastfeeding are morons and need to get a life.
 
2013-03-08 04:48:40 PM

megarian: So I was talking to a few coworkers about this. One lady thought breast feeding in public was inappropriate because "some guys get off on that. There's porn with stuff like breast milk."

Apparently she also has a problem with women in casts. And amputees. And people with feet. And Japan. And Germany. And and and....

(No I didn't mention rule 34. She is in charge of doing the schedule.)


To be fair, doesn't everyone have a problem with the Germans?
 
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