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(Slate)   One female reporter discovers that breast feeding in Obama's White House is almost as hard as getting a budget through Congress   (slate.com) divider line 188
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2013-03-08 02:32:25 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.

Apparently not as well s you..


You're damn right. Mr. Kiwi is happy.

Other than that, I have no clue what you're even talking about. I defended my position and you come back with a second grade retort with a grammatical error.
 
2013-03-08 02:33:41 PM

Lord Dimwit: Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off

You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.


Should have stood next to her pool side, whipped it out, and peed I'm the pool. It's a wonderful and natural human action and shouldn't be shunned by prudes.
 
2013-03-08 02:33:52 PM

kiwimoogle84: Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.

Apparently not as well s you..

You're damn right. Mr. Kiwi is happy.

Other than that, I have no clue what you're even talking about. I defended my position and you come back with a second grade retort with a grammatical error.


Typographical error
I was insinuating that your profession was prostitution
You started it! Neener.
 
2013-03-08 02:34:19 PM

Lord Dimwit: Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off

You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.


I'd be more worried about the baby ingesting urine pool water.

(Probably wouldn't hurt 'em anyway, but that doesn't make it not-icky.)
 
2013-03-08 02:34:28 PM

Lord Dimwit: I do find it irritating that Mayer has ordered everyone back into the office, including working mothers like herself - but she had a huge nursery built into her office.


As Mitt Romney pointed out, poor people wouldn't poor if they had more money.
 
2013-03-08 02:34:47 PM

Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.


It is fools like you that make this breast feeding thing out to be such a big farking deal.

Let me lay it out for you, now mind, this is the traditional method and it's as hold as human beings (actually older).

You get pregnant.
you have the kid.
YAY everyone lived
You breastfeed, whenever or wherever it's time to do that.
Everyone goes on with the world as if there wasn't some kind of atrocity being committed by that baby/mother combo.

Now, this system worked for over 2000 years of civilization.  However, the USA is... well special, and farking retarded.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:03 PM

Tom_Slick: They probably could have and they may have even offered, but the White House press corp is a strange bunch, where you sit is based on your seniority,  and she may have lost that seniority if she went and worked a different beat.


Cant have your cake and eat it too.  While this woman has a right to reasonably concessions being made to make it possible for her to continue working and feed her child, that doesn't mean she gets to make all the decisions on how that is done.  Reasonable applies both ways.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:20 PM

dv-ous: Lord Dimwit: Beerguy: I work at a public aquatics facility.

We had a Mom that started breast feeding her child while they were in the pool.The lifeguards told the woman that she needed to exit the water and continue her feeding poolside.

The woman made a complaint and it was made very clear to us by the Health Dept. that if a Mother wants to breastfeed while in the water, we can not stop her.

/CSB off

You know, I support the whole "you have a right to breastfeed your child anywhere you otherwise have a right to be with your child" except in precisely this case and in the case of, say, food preparation. If you're excreting fluids in an environment where those fluids might end up in someone's mouth (other than the baby's mouth), I think there needs to be an exception.

I'd be more worried about the baby ingesting urine pool water.

(Probably wouldn't hurt 'em anyway, but that doesn't make it not-icky.)


Do you have kids? You basically can't stop them from eating icky stuff. Pool water is at least chlorinated.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:24 PM

BMFPitt: Who brings a baby to the White House?


Obama invited a bunch of them to dinner the other night
 
2013-03-08 02:36:34 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: you can both suck it.

Apparently not as well s you..

You're damn right. Mr. Kiwi is happy.

Other than that, I have no clue what you're even talking about. I defended my position and you come back with a second grade retort with a grammatical error.

Typographical error
I was insinuating that your profession was prostitution
You started it! Neener.


Nice. I now see what you did there, and nope. If I was, I'd be making a whole hell of a lot more, and likely wouldn't be concerned about the maternity leave packages offered by my pimps...
 
2013-03-08 02:36:47 PM

Watubi: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

This wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so offended by bare breasts.


Blame the conservative prudes who lobby at the FCC. They have the power to allow bare breasts on network and basic cable TV. Instead they allow so much graphic violence slide through that we shrug and allow the NRA to walk all over us when yet another mass shooting occurs. We have become desensitized to violence and over-sensitized to anything remotely sexual.
 
2013-03-08 02:36:56 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.
 
2013-03-08 02:37:35 PM

Kahabut: Yogimus: Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's natural. Now put those farking things away, we are in public.

It is fools like you that make this breast feeding thing out to be such a big farking deal.

Let me lay it out for you, now mind, this is the traditional method and it's as hold as human beings (actually older).

You get pregnant.
you have the kid.
YAY everyone lived
You breastfeed, whenever or wherever it's time to do that.
Everyone goes on with the world as if there wasn't some kind of atrocity being committed by that baby/mother combo.

Now, this system worked for over 2000 years of civilization.  However, the USA is... well special, and farking retarded.


I grew up in eastern europe in the 80's, where going topless for farm workers was the norm. Those very same women that would pick raspberries with tits all hanging out would STILL show modesty while breastfeeding in public.
 
2013-03-08 02:37:36 PM
Without pictures of these baby bottles, it is impossible to tell whether this is an outrage or not.
 
2013-03-08 02:40:17 PM

umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.


The continuation of the species is an important enough goal that I think we can bend the rules a bit. I do think, though, that fathers should be given (number of mother's weeks - 1 or 2) weeks off for paternity leave. That way, everyone "makes the same" in terms of benefits and pay and time off.

(I added an extra week or two in there for the mother because guys generally aren't recovering from massive bodily upheavals and potentially even surgery after pregnancy.)
 
2013-03-08 02:42:41 PM
http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.
 
2013-03-08 02:44:31 PM

umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.


First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.
 
2013-03-08 02:45:51 PM

Lord Dimwit: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

The continuation of the species is an important enough goal that I think we can bend the rules a bit. I do think, though, that fathers should be given (number of mother's weeks - 1 or 2) weeks off for paternity leave. That way, everyone "makes the same" in terms of benefits and pay and time off.

(I added an extra week or two in there for the mother because guys generally aren't recovering from massive bodily upheavals and potentially even surgery after pregnancy.)


A reasonable man with reasonable views. I dig it. Great minds and all.
 
2013-03-08 02:46:37 PM

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


Just because you voluntarily suffer doesn't mean the rest of us have to involuntarily hear about it.
 
2013-03-08 02:47:40 PM
Breast feeding? Wait a minute - breasts need to be FED?! What do they eat? Can I feed it to them?
 
2013-03-08 02:48:11 PM

Yogimus: http://www.slate.com/authors.jessica_grose.html

^ worthless reporter writing useless drivel. Not her first hack at the breastfeeding conversation either.


Yikes! I just can't believe someone stuck their dick in that bug-eyed troglodyte long enough to get her pregnant. She looks more like "in through the out door" material to me.
 
2013-03-08 02:48:48 PM

Lord Dimwit: IRQ12: dv-ous: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.

Whatever it is it's definitely  not mothers and fathers wanting the f out of the house for a 1/3rd of the day.

I work from home and my wife is a stay-at-home mother, except that she stays at home way less than I do. She has play dates, runs errands, takes the kid to the park, goes and hangs out with other stay-at-home-wives (not all of whom are mothers). I just realized the other day that I hadn't actually stepped out of my house in over a week. It was kinda surreal.


I was just saying that there's probably a pretty significant percentage of people who simply don't want to stay at home.  It's not always some huge sociological issue.
 
2013-03-08 02:50:39 PM

kiwimoogle84: So you can both suck it.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-08 02:51:06 PM

kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.


FMLA is unpaid at my company and for all of the people I know who have taken maternity leave other than those that work for massive companies. I get a pretty sweet 4 weeks of paid time off because I've been here nearly 9 years, but I can only bank a week to carry over into the next year. Since my vacation accrues at a fixed rate (rather than being granted at the start of the year), unless I have a child at the end of the year, I would not get 5 weeks paid time off after having my child. Plus, it requires a pound of flesh to take more than two weeks off (i.e. manager, manager's manager, CEO must approve it.)
 
2013-03-08 02:51:25 PM

Yogimus: kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.

Just because you voluntarily suffer doesn't mean the rest of us have to involuntarily hear about it.


Not saying I do. I don't have any kids. I'm just proving a point that it's not just maternity leave covered under FMLA, that men can take the exact same leave. So I'm not sure why it's a gender issue.
 
2013-03-08 02:55:32 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kiwimoogle84: umad: Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.

I will be fine with doing my work as well as the work of my female coworkers while they are paid the same amount to sit at home on their asses as soon as they are fine with stopping by my place after work every day to give me a blow job for my trouble.

Unpaid maternity leave should be unlimited. Paid maternity leave should be illegal.

First of all, a few facts for you. FMLA leave is never 100% of the pay. It's 55%-70% depending on your employer. And "maternity leave" isn't it's own thing, it's part of FMLA and disability, which also covers YOU if your dad has a heart attack or your kid has cancer.

And I know you're trolling, which is why I'm trying to educate you so you sound less stupid the next time you go on this kind of rant but I'll bite a little bit- as soon as men have the ability to put up with ten months of constant illness and then push a watermelon out of their weiners after hours of excruciating agony, then they have the right to judge us "sitting on our asses". C-sections are SURGERY and require at least six weeks to heal, so that's the bare minimum of leave. Let me know how it works out when you need heart surgery or a knee replacement and they tell you you can't "sit on your ass" and get paid for it.

FMLA is unpaid at my company and for all of the people I know who have taken maternity leave other than those that work for massive companies. I get a pretty sweet 4 weeks of paid time off because I've been here nearly 9 years, but I can only bank a week to carry over into the next year. Since my vacation accrues at a fixed rate (rather than being granted at the start of the year), unless I have a child at the end of the year, I would not get 5 weeks paid time off after having my child. Plus, it requires a pound of flesh to take more than two weeks off (i.e. manager, manager's manager, CEO must approve it.)


I work at a large corporation and they have 13 weeks full pay maternity leave. Paternity leave however is unpaid and only 6 weeks.
 
2013-03-08 02:55:40 PM
I actually do agree with you.  FMLA leave is a good thing for both sides.
 
2013-03-08 03:01:14 PM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-08 03:02:53 PM
richmondmom.com
 
2013-03-08 03:03:57 PM
Cymbal: That is disgusting. You could take FMLA for 12 weeks though, because that covers care of newborns, right? The unpaid paternity vs. paid maternity leave is pretty ugly and disappointing though.

Personally, if my husband wanted to stay home with me the entire 12 weeks, I would hope we could find a way to make it work. I know I want him home for a few weeks because I need him to manage his mother-invasion, because on a good day she's the most annoying person in my life, if I am post-partum I could not even imagine. Ten minutes after she arrives, I'm ready to tell her to GTFO.
 
2013-03-08 03:04:58 PM
A bunch of old white men said no for reasons that didn't effect them in anyway?
 
2013-03-08 03:05:44 PM

Cymbal: I work at a large corporation and they have 13 weeks full pay maternity leave. Paternity leave however is unpaid and only 6 weeks.


See, I hate crap like this. It basically says that a father's contribution isn't worth even half as much as a mother's. Mothers absolutely should get a bit more time off after the birth of a child, since they need to physically recover, but a father deserves to bond with his newborn too.
 
2013-03-08 03:07:42 PM

Mr. Right: She never would have had this problem in a Clinton White House.  He would have taken matters in hand and helped, no matter the personal sacrifice required.



Mr. Right is right!
 
2013-03-08 03:11:31 PM
Ok, without even reading TFA, why is she bringing her kid with her to work?  Seems a little odd.
 
2013-03-08 03:15:09 PM

Lord Dimwit: Cymbal: I work at a large corporation and they have 13 weeks full pay maternity leave. Paternity leave however is unpaid and only 6 weeks.

See, I hate crap like this. It basically says that a father's contribution isn't worth even half as much as a mother's. Mothers absolutely should get a bit more time off after the birth of a child, since they need to physically recover, but a father deserves to bond with his newborn too.


One of the only people I knew who had a job with maternity leave used her paid maternity leave then her unpaid FMLA on top of it. I feel like that kind of behavior makes covering any part of maternity leave less attractive to employers, because 25 weeks of leave is... well... unimaginable. Then the sister of a friend had a baby, took all her paid leave, then some unpaid leave, then left her job. I know companies aren't doing much to inspire loyalty in their workforce, but jeez, that seemed wrong to me. Another friend mentioned that her company has some clause around paid maternity leave that requires some of it to be paid back if you leave the job. Like a signing bonus being paid back if you leave sooner than your employment contract dictates? There has to be better ways than this, but I'm not real sure what it is.
 
2013-03-08 03:15:22 PM
She was actually biatching about using a breast pump in a bathroom. After everyone made multiple reasonable concessions to her need.  I think the whole story was just a "Look how hard my life is" schlock.
 
2013-03-08 03:19:24 PM

Yogimus: She was actually biatching about using a breast pump in a bathroom. After everyone made multiple reasonable concessions to her need.  I think the whole story was just a "Look how hard my life is" schlock.


But we can all agree, we'd rather not have our food visit the bathroom before we eat it, right? I'm not a germaphobe but I think its pretty reasonable to not want to pump in the restroom.

And, while we're at it... have you heard the sound a breast pump makes? Sweet Baby Jeezus, the sound is part liposuction, part industrial production line, part squishy gooey whatever. When my nephew was in in the NICU, the baby next to him was being fed breastmilk through a tube, so his mom pumped in the NICU for him. I'd never heard such a noise in my life. Its not a sound I'd want to hear again if I could help it.
 
2013-03-08 03:20:26 PM
Color me shocked that Fartbongo's gaymuslim commie shack oppressed a heterosexual mother valiantly trying to nurture the future Christian soldiers who sprang from her loins.  I hear his commissars are forcing women to wear pants and immodest blouses and work outside the home, while employing illegal aliens as day care providers to teach their children Spanish as their first language.

dv-ous:
Most nursing mothers deal with crap like that muddle through despite little maternity leave and shiatty laws that exempt many, many workplaces from accommodating them at all, but most mothers aren't working in the White House Press Corps.

... and back to reality, where there's no political will to extend maternity leave or working mothers' rights because those things only affect the poor and middle classes.  If they want maternity leave they should just get rich.
 
2013-03-08 03:20:38 PM

dv-ous: Not all of them even take the leave they get. And they're encouraged not to, even by other mothers.

We have a cultural problem; we value work over almost everything else, including health and family.


Especially applicable to a whitehouse-level reporter. I'm guessing "they'll replace me" is another drive..it's a pretty coveted position as far as reporters go.
 
2013-03-08 03:21:23 PM
(though it would have been both hypocritical and a major optics issue for them if they ignored her)

Optics is a thing now?

d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-03-08 03:24:19 PM

rjs983: Ok, without even reading TFA, why is she bringing her kid with her to work?  Seems a little odd.


Because doing something that every species has done for millions of years makes her special and thus immune to societal norms. The rest of us owe it to her to accommodate her every need as she sees fit.
 
2013-03-08 03:24:21 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Wouldn't necessary if she stayed in the kitchen either
 
2013-03-08 03:25:00 PM
"woudn't 'be' necessary"
 
2013-03-08 03:25:10 PM

Flab: This wouldn't be necesary if American women had decent maternity leaves.


Just how long should maternity leave last?
www.bagnewsnotes.com
 
2013-03-08 03:25:31 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: throom before we eat it, right? I'm not a germaphobe but I think its pretty reasonable to not want to pump in the restroom.


I think all the reasonable options were rejected, or not conducive to the people around her.  If she can't do her job, maybe she should let someone else do it until she is capable once again.  She is part of the white house press corps, and writes about WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS. She isn't making her sacrifices for some greater need here. In fact, I would wager that she has no damned business even being there.
 
2013-03-08 03:30:27 PM
What a woman who needs a breast pump might look like:

images.wikia.com
 
2013-03-08 03:31:39 PM

rjs983: Ok, without even reading TFA, why is she bringing her kid with her to work?  Seems a little odd.


Thread headline is misleading. She was using a pump, not bringing her kid.
 
2013-03-08 03:32:17 PM
 
2013-03-08 03:32:56 PM
what the hell O.o
 
2013-03-08 03:34:07 PM

Yogimus: what the hell O.o


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