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(The Hill)   Thanks to the "success" of Sen. Paul's 13 hour AW-ing session, we can expect more Randstanding in the future   (thehill.com) divider line 22
    More: Stupid, Rand Paul, Jim Manley, Heidi Heitkamp, filibusters, Mitch McConnell, National Republican Senatorial Committee  
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2013-03-08 02:19:14 PM  
5 votes:
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. As long as "the minority would have to remain on the Senate floor and speak in order to impede passage of a vote" I don't have a problem with it. The longest effort ever recorded of this nature was Strom Thurmond and Co.'s 24 hour marathon. The non-talking threats of filibuster leave bills and nominees in limbo for months at a time. That's the shiat that must not stand.
2013-03-08 02:32:22 PM  
3 votes:
Going to be fun when another GOPer wants to fillibuster and the press asks why they arent talking like RAND PAUL did. Probably why McCain/Graham were so upset.
2013-03-08 06:56:03 PM  
2 votes:
I have no problem with this.  In fact, it's so great let's remove the procedural filibuster and make anyone wanting to filibuster do it.
2013-03-08 05:45:49 PM  
2 votes:
I have little respect for what Rand said; it was stupid and ignorant.  But I respect HOW he said it.  He actually filibustered.  No bullshiat secret hold, no filibustering by just threatening to do it.
2013-03-08 03:22:51 PM  
2 votes:
Good. That's what they ought to have been doing all this time.

See, that's the thing. You're shorthanded. That's why you're filibustering. Filibustering is tough, and more often than not it fails, but it still offers the chance at success. If you are that resolute in your convictions, do not hide behind parliamentary procedure and block progress in silence. We want you to get up there and earn it. Start talking, speak your peace, risk saying something stupid (in fact, stupid things are pretty much required to be said when you talk that long). You want a bill dead? Prove it. Prove it through blood, sweat and tears.

As a bonus, if the filibuster fails, if someone's bladder gives out, we get to actually have the vote right then and there, thereby actually making things go faster than they are now.
2013-03-08 02:45:51 PM  
2 votes:
Nothing changed.  McCain was actually right for once.  It was a substance-less populist rant.

Consider the administration originally used 9/11 and Pearl Harbor as examples -- immediate threats.  *After* the filibuster, it became a much less stringent qualifier of "combatant."  Which is anyone subservient to an enemy force -- which is hellva lot looser standard that *immediacy.*  You carry a rifle in service of al Qaeda anywhere in the world Mr. Obama and Mr. Paul agree on the powers to terminate you.


Stupidest filibuster evar.
2013-03-08 02:34:46 PM  
2 votes:
I'm ok with this. If nothing else, it makes it very obvious who exactly is standing in the way
2013-03-08 09:51:24 PM  
1 votes:
Really, an Ayn Rand worshipper who talks a lot?

Is this common? I just discovered the internet today so I have utterly no idea.
2013-03-08 07:05:00 PM  
1 votes:
And the first fundraising letters by Rand Paul patting himself on the back for his PR stunt are already going out. Could it be any more clear that this filibuster was nothing more than the official kick off of the Rand Paul 2016 presidential run?

Dear Patriot,
My 13-hour filibuster yesterday is being called one of the longest in U.S. history.

I had been trying for more than a week to get a straight answer on whether or not the Obama administration believed it had the authority to use drones to target and kill American citizens on American soil - without due process.

And after receiving a letter from Attorney General Eric Holder claiming they DO have that authority, I could no longer sit silently at my desk in the U.S. Senate.

So I stood for thirteen-straight hours to send a message to the Obama administration, I will do everything in my power to fight their attempts to ignore the Constitution!

Millions of Americans chose to stand with me and put President Obama, Attorney General Holder, and Congress in the spotlight...
And the good news is, it worked!

Just hours ago, I received a letter from Attorney General Holder declaring the President DOES NOT have the authority to use drones to kill Americans on U.S. soil.
Patriot, this shows what we can do when stand together and fight.

So won't you help me continue the fight to protect our Constitutional liberties today?
2013-03-08 05:49:24 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I have little respect for what Rand said; it was stupid and ignorant.  But I respect HOW he said it.  He actually filibustered.  No bullshiat secret hold, no filibustering by just threatening to do it.


I wish senate democrats would force more republicans to actually do this.
2013-03-08 05:34:35 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Crotchrocket Slim: Mikey1969: Thrag: Mikey1969: So now they're excited because he sparked a debate? What the fark are they doing when they're debating these faking bills then? I thought that was the point. Now apparently Paul is getting props because he remembered what our legislators are supposed to do.

Actually it is just the opposite. He evidently hasn't the slightest idea what his job is. He didn't filibuster legislation. He didn't propose any legislation. If he wants limits set on how drones can be used he happens to be a member of the branch of government that does just that. Instead of doing his job he attention whored for 13 hours to filibuster, not legislation that grants any powers to the president, but a nominee.

What he did is the exact opposite of doing his job. He wasted congress's time (and thus taxpayer dollars) to start his campaign for president, instead of doing the actual work of a legislator.

That's kind of what I mean by 'doing his job', the fact that I thought that's what they spent all of their time doing anyway. I was amazed that people are getting such hard ons over this when it should really be the 'norm', at least when it comes to getting legislation passed...

Filibusters are for when the majority has locked the minority out of the negotiation of new legislation. Filibustering should be the last nuclear option, not something that looks cool b/c a climatic scene in a movie used it and rubes can't pick up on a transparent ploy for free press from a shameless career politician.

Or asking a question that could have been asked and answered by picking up a goddamn telephone...


According to Fark it's cool now to filibuster even if you already have that answer and only an idiotic child or a shameless politician who appeals to childlike voters would need clarification on it.
2013-03-08 05:05:59 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Thrag: Mikey1969: So now they're excited because he sparked a debate? What the fark are they doing when they're debating these faking bills then? I thought that was the point. Now apparently Paul is getting props because he remembered what our legislators are supposed to do.

Actually it is just the opposite. He evidently hasn't the slightest idea what his job is. He didn't filibuster legislation. He didn't propose any legislation. If he wants limits set on how drones can be used he happens to be a member of the branch of government that does just that. Instead of doing his job he attention whored for 13 hours to filibuster, not legislation that grants any powers to the president, but a nominee.

What he did is the exact opposite of doing his job. He wasted congress's time (and thus taxpayer dollars) to start his campaign for president, instead of doing the actual work of a legislator.

That's kind of what I mean by 'doing his job', the fact that I thought that's what they spent all of their time doing anyway. I was amazed that people are getting such hard ons over this when it should really be the 'norm', at least when it comes to getting legislation passed...


Filibusters are for when the majority has locked the minority out of the negotiation of new legislation. Filibustering should be the last nuclear option, not something that looks cool b/c a climatic scene in a movie used it and rubes can't pick up on a transparent ploy for free press from a shameless career politician.
2013-03-08 04:18:44 PM  
1 votes:
"With victories such as these," quoth Pyrrhus, "I shall be ruined."
2013-03-08 03:38:29 PM  
1 votes:

Frederick45: He shall now be forever remembered as  Senator PeeBagger!


That is usually the endgame of a filibuster. You either have to tagteam and find a way to get off the floor long enough to pee, or you need to find a way to pee in the chamber, or else it's just a matter of time before you have a potty emergency. Your bladder does not give a flying fark about drones or judicial nominees or whatever. Your bladder wants to pee, and it demands to see the toilet concerning such urgent matters.

Really, people need to give the toilet more respect in regards to filibusters. I mean, we give them so much shiat.
2013-03-08 03:17:12 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Success?

In wot respek, Charlie?


Free publicity for Rand. That was the whole point of this exercise.
2013-03-08 03:11:51 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks to the "success" of Sen. Paul's 13 hour AW-ing session Actual Filibuster, we can expect more Randstanding Actual Filibusters in the future

Fixed that for you  Subby.

Disagree with the content of it all you want, it's the way filibustering should happen.  Want to delay something in the Senate?  Then you need to be willing to stand there and talk in order to delay it.
2013-03-08 02:47:16 PM  
1 votes:
The American public is tired of the political gridlock.......if the GOP wants to be further (and rightfully) blamed for the incompetence let them.
2013-03-08 02:37:02 PM  
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: Somacandra: Doesn't bother me in the slightest. As long as "the minority would have to remain on the Senate floor and speak in order to impede passage of a vote" I don't have a problem with it. The longest effort ever recorded of this nature was Strom Thurmond and Co.'s 24 hour marathon. The non-talking threats of filibuster leave bills and nominees in limbo for months at a time. That's the shiat that must not stand.

Totally.

And just this morning I heard a story on NPR about how the GOP is blocking 68 high-level Cabinet appointments.


But don't you dare call them obstructionists
2013-03-08 02:35:04 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: Doesn't bother me in the slightest. As long as "the minority would have to remain on the Senate floor and speak in order to impede passage of a vote" I don't have a problem with it. The longest effort ever recorded of this nature was Strom Thurmond and Co.'s 24 hour marathon. The non-talking threats of filibuster leave bills and nominees in limbo for months at a time. That's the shiat that must not stand.


Totally.

And just this morning I heard a story on NPR about how the GOP is blocking 68 high-level Cabinet appointments.
2013-03-08 02:11:59 PM  
1 votes:
Success?

In wot respek, Charlie?
2013-03-08 01:52:22 PM  
1 votes:
Fortunately, talking for 13 hours is hard. And not fun. So people may try it once or twice, but in general it is not a trend that will continue for long. Which is the whole farking point.
2013-03-08 01:36:36 PM  
1 votes:
Expect more Non-Issues to make their way to your television.
 
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