Hello, I would like a sex change.  I would like to exchange "Weeping while masturbating" with "beejays while I play World of Warcraft".  Also, do you have that available in "with a chick"?

bdub77: Seriously though, there's nothing gay about a bunch of frat guys hanging out together watching porno and masturbating onto each other's faces for fun. It's college, brah.

Wait... that's gay... I have to adjust my entire outlook on life.

Thank you sir, I'll have another sex.

Farkin' liberal arts majors.

There's a hold up in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
There's a scout troup short a child,
Kruschev's due at Idlewild
Car 54, Where Are You?

/Lawn

rkiller1: Car 54, Where Are You?

In the other thread.

I wonder what they do with all those dicks and balls they cut off.  I'd pay to eat them.

spentmiles: I wonder what they do with all those dicks and balls they cut off.  I'd pay to eat them.

I never pegged you as a feminist.

Good to see those skyrocketing college tuitions are being utilized to provide s top notch education.

student loands: first they take your money, now they also take your balls.

bdub77: Seriously though, there's nothing gay about a bunch of frat guys hanging out together watching porno and masturbating onto each other's faces for fun. It's college, brah.
liberals arts education: How does it work?

spentmiles: I wonder what they do with all those dicks and balls they cut off.  I'd pay to eat them.

Well, if you REALLY want to know, the parts are largely recycled for the construction of the lady bits. The testes themselves are the main thing that gets tossed.

Isn't this a repeat of something a month or so ago? Maybe this is a coming recruitment trend? Or is this the same chick from the previous story?

Yogimus: rkiller1: Car 54, Where Are You?

In the other thread.

Sorry about that!

rkiller1: d2om8tvz4lgco4.cloudfront.net

That's a man in drag.  This is a transsexual:

Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to be bigger and stronger. Can I take steroids?
A: No! That's bad!

Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to be thinner. Should I get liposuction?
A: No! That's bad!

Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to look like I'm a different gender. Should I get parts of my body surgically mutilated into nonfunctional mockeries of male/female genitalia?
A: Yes! That's awesome! You are a kind of hero!

Answers brought to you today by 'I'm a left wing retard'.

Gifted Many Few: Farkin' liberal arts parts majors.

It might be an update. And check this out, FTA:

"Collins was in a transgender youth group during high school led by the organization's co-founder Tony Ferraiolo, and he credits it for providing support at a critical time."

So a teen girl picks up some Gender Identity issues and lo and behold there's a tranny recruitment support group focusing on high school kids. If they're not old enough to legally consent to sex how can they be old enough to consider a sex change?

Old and busted: Colleges offer laptops to attractive students. New hotness: Colleges offer sex-change operations to attractive students

Misread the headline at first...

Exception Collection: hitlersbrain: Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to look like I'm a different gender. My brain reacts poorly to the hormones my body produces and well to the hormones the other sex's bodies produce. Should I get parts of my body surgically mutilated into nonfunctional mockeries of male/female genitalia adjust my appearance and possibly genitalia to make sure that society at large doesn't tear me apart for not fitting into their incorrect binary model of gender and sex?
A: Yes! That's awesome! You are a kind of hero! Possibly.  Talk to a therapist to see if it's necessary.

/FTFY
//Surgery's a medical necessity for many of us.  Not all, but many.

Beautifully stated . . . far nicer than how I wanted to reply.

Exception Collection: hitlersbrain: Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to look like I'm a different gender. My brain reacts poorly to the hormones my body produces and well to the hormones the other sex's bodies produce. Should I get parts of my body surgically mutilated into nonfunctional mockeries of male/female genitalia adjust my appearance and possibly genitalia to make sure that society at large doesn't tear me apart for not fitting into their incorrect binary model of gender and sex?
A: Yes! That's awesome! You are a kind of hero! Possibly.  Talk to a therapist to see if it's necessary.

/FTFY
//Surgery's a medical necessity for many of us.  Not all, but many.

It's your body. If you are an adult, it's your business. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of saying some serious, surgical/chemical body modifications for purely cosmetic reasons are bad and some are good.

hitlersbrain:

Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to be bigger and stronger. Can I take steroids?
A: No! That's bad!

Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to be thinner. Should I get liposuction?
A: No! That's bad!

Q: I don't like the way I look; I want to look like I'm a different gender. Should I get parts of my body surgically mutilated into nonfunctional mockeries of male/female genitalia?
A: Yes! That's awesome! You are a kind of hero!

Answers brought to you today by 'I'm a left wing retard'.

Don't lump me in with all those stupid pseudo-leftists. Steroids are fine under medical supervision; we in America should be able to get liposuction on demand; and if people really want to mutilate themselves it would be wrong to forbid them to -- just as it's incorrect for tranny advocates to call us hitlers because we advise high school kids that this transformation might be a big mistake they'll regret later. (If I hated those people I'd be too busy pointing & giggling to make a fuss about it.)

And where are there support groups that tell kids that it's okay for boys to wear lipstick and girls to drive trucks, that they don't have to have major permanent "medical treatments" over it? It seems like it's all or nothing: on the one hand you have "right wingers" telling them to give in to the traditional roles while on the other you have "left wingers" telling them if they're "not like other guy/girls" they really need major surgery. Whatever happened to gender-bending? To broadening society's thinking? To advocating for people's right to be sissies and butches? There ought to be enough room for people to be "atypical," whether it's a phase or not, so they don't think mutilation is their only option.

Would you rather see your son wearing lipstick or having his genitals removed?

What I really don't get is FTM trannies: women have been allowed to wear pants and drive trucks for he past, what, 30 years. Nobody's as shocked to see a woman in khakis and an Oxford shirt as they are to see a man in drag. Why bother putting yourself through all that "reassignment?" And excuse me but a 24 year old lesbian in a Justin Bieber haircut is not cross-dressing. He's the cross-dresser: 20ish lesbians have looked like that since before he was born.

The One True TheDavid: What I really don't get is FTM trannies: women have been allowed to wear pants and drive trucks for he past, what, 30 years. Nobody's as shocked to see a woman in khakis and an Oxford shirt as they are to see a man in drag. Why bother putting yourself through all that "reassignment?" And excuse me but a 24 year old lesbian in a Justin Bieber haircut is not cross-dressing. He's the cross-dresser: 20ish lesbians have looked like that since before he was born.

The assumption that it's about gender roles and clothing is a false assumption. There's an innate part of you that says that you're male or you're female. The problem is that innate part (aka "gender") doesn't always match up with what's on the outside (phenotypic sex). Unfortunately, it's easier to change the body when this occurs than it is to change the brain.

Exception Collection:

//Surgery's a medical necessity for many of us.  Not all, but many.

No. Sorry. You can live the rest of your life with the genitals you were born with. It's no more necessary for your survival than Michael Jackson's was or his. You've just been persuaded that you need a lot of work, instead of being reassured that it's okay for people to be "gender-atypical." Society hates these "abnormally gendered" people so much it persuades then to mutilate themselves instead of making room for them to be themselves with the equipment they're born with.

There should be as much money in counselling people to accept their "gender abnormality" and in advocating for their right to be different from the traditional roles as there is in recommending that they get themselves "fixed." Common sense might never pay more than unnecessary elective major surgery, but then again if these "helping professionals" thnk they're doing such a good thing let them perform "surgical reassignments" FOR FREE. And maybe the UK Hospital can donate use of its facilities for this "worthy cause." Here in Lexington KY there's a free dental clinic and sliding-scale vet clinics, why not a free Tranny Surgery Center? Isn't helping them with this horrible affliction as important as filling cavities or rabies shots?

Or is it that surgeons are having a harder time persuading normal healthy women to have unnecessary mastectomies and hysterectomies over a bump or two and these "helping professionals" have loans to pay off and Bentleys to maintain?

And "therapy," whoa, there's a racket. Make a few sympathetic faces and offer support: it's easier than math or science.

JPINFV:

The assumption that it's about gender roles and clothing is a false assumption. There's an innate part of you that says that you're male or you're female. The problem is that innate part (aka "gender") doesn't always match up with what's on the outside (phenotypic sex).

You're talking nonsense.


Unfortunately, it's easier to change the body when this occurs than it is to change the brain.

Surgery pays bills!

The One True TheDavid: ...

You've clearly never had to critically think about your own gender identity or sense of self. Lucky you. This isn't some whimsy decision like "Oh I think I'll start dressing goth" or "Oh, I think I'll chug a six pack and blow a pack of sorostitutes."

These people go through extensive counseling as it is just to come to terms with how their bodies mismatch what's in their heads. Often being LGBT comes with a whole host of other mental health issues like crippling depression and anxiety. They've had a vague sense of how inconsistent their bodies are with their minds all their lives.

Maybe the fact that this is revolving around gender that's got you hung up? Perhaps check out some of the recent news articles (say, this fark thread...) on Body Identity Integrity Disorder. It looks like a similar issue to me too, people whose brain's conception of their body doesn't match their physical body.

Exception Collection: JPINFV: The One True TheDavid: What I really don't get is FTM trannies: women have been allowed to wear pants and drive trucks for he past, what, 30 years. Nobody's as shocked to see a woman in khakis and an Oxford shirt as they are to see a man in drag. Why bother putting yourself through all that "reassignment?" And excuse me but a 24 year old lesbian in a Justin Bieber haircut is not cross-dressing. He's the cross-dresser: 20ish lesbians have looked like that since before he was born.

The assumption that it's about gender roles and clothing is a false assumption. There's an innate part of you that says that you're male or you're female. The problem is that innate part (aka "gender") doesn't always match up with what's on the outside (phenotypic sex). Unfortunately, it's easier to change the body when this occurs than it is to change the brain.

Even if it were possible to change the brain, SHOULD we?  It goes back to the idea of who we are.  Personally, I prefer to be thought of as a mind (and soul) attached to a body than a body attached to a mind.

Note: I'm going to take an extremely mechanistic view to the brain and psychiatric disorders.

If the heart is malfunctioning, should we change it? If the liver is malfunctioning, should we change it? If yes, if the brain is malfunctioning in a manner that quality of life is impacted, shouldn't we change it if we can?

To accept the argument that we shouldn't change the brain because it forms the very essence of who we are would force acceptance of the argument that we shouldn't treat clinical depression or schizophrenia or any other brain malfunction that results in a serious impact on quality of life (including things like suicidal ideation). In a world where we could permanently fix the brain at a neuronal to make gender and sex congruent, I would argue that that would be the best treatment. If someone wished to be the opposite gender, then fine, but that is no more a medical necessity than any other elective cosmetic surgery (in contrast to, say, burn reconstruction).

We are no where near that point of medical science. As such, the risks of extensive surgeries and hormone therapy to change the body represents the best treatment.

TL/DR: It's not about changing who you are, it's about choosing the best and safest way to relieve suffering.

I identify as dual-penised and so would like to have a second penis surgically attached above my regular penis so that I have two penises for maximum peen.

Will this be covered by my insurance?

Exception Collection: JPINFV: Note: I'm going to take an extremely mechanistic view to the brain and psychiatric disorders.

If the heart is malfunctioning, should we change it? If the liver is malfunctioning, should we change it? If yes, if the brain is malfunctioning in a manner that quality of life is impacted, shouldn't we change it if we can?

To accept the argument that we shouldn't change the brain because it forms the very essence of who we are would force acceptance of the argument that we shouldn't treat clinical depression or schizophrenia or any other brain malfunction that results in a serious impact on quality of life (including things like suicidal ideation). In a world where we could permanently fix the brain at a neuronal to make gender and sex congruent, I would argue that that would be the best treatment. If someone wished to be the opposite gender, then fine, but that is no more a medical necessity than any other elective cosmetic surgery (in contrast to, say, burn reconstruction).

We are no where near that point of medical science. As such, the risks of extensive surgeries and hormone therapy to change the body represents the best treatment.

TL/DR: It's not about changing who you are, it's about choosing the best and safest way to relieve suffering.

I would argue that that's fine in the case of an apparent dysfunction, but that in the case of transgender people (like myself) it's the body that is incorrect, not the mind.  I always need to go to sci-fi for my comments about this:  When Data on TNG or the Doctor on VOY had malfunctions, they repaired them.  What they did not do is substantially alter the mind that went along with it.  We're not inherently wrong, not inherently damaged, not inherently screwed up... our bodies just don't match our minds.

A better comparison would be a person with a minor case of Asperger's (which I also have!):  If it's not substantially reducing their ability to function in society, should they alter their brain to make them fit in ...


I think we're closer on this than we're letting on... we're just viewing it from different angles. When I see debates about this, I see it from a relatively strict medical view while it seems that you're looking at it, because of your experiences, from a relatively strict individual view.


I agree you're not inherently wrong, as that implies a moral failing. I agree with not being "damaged" or "screwed up" only as far as the negative connotation attached to it. I'm going to go further and disagree with the use of "we" as this isn't about fighting against a group, but trying to best treat an individual. Diseases/disorders in textbooks are cut and dry. Diseases/disorders in individuals are numerous shades of gray. Sometimes treatment is necessary, sometimes not. It depends on the individual and how their affected. The problem is that when I think SRS and transgendered, I think gender dysphoria, which makes me think of people who are at their wits end a contemplating things like suicide.

I agree that someone who might be a little socially off or different (just because it doesn't match the mean doesn't mean it's pathological. Of course how far is far enough is always a manner of debate) doesn't need to be medicated or forced into treatment. Similarly, I wouldn't argue that someone who wants to dabble in or adopt (spectrum) the opposite gender (assuming all else being equal) is sick. However, once someone gets to the "the anguish of mentally identifying with the opposite sex is so great I want to commit suicide (gender dysphoria level), then it's hard to argue that that individual doesn't need medical help. ...and yes, I fully understand that said identification isn't a choice of free will.

[insert blurb about the problems with societal views and stigmatization of mental health here]

Exception Collection: Of course, I'm also generally in the "If I don't absolutely need it, I will not take it" camp irt medicines. Aside from my daily meds and vitamins, I take nothing for the sake of convenience - no headache meds, allergy meds only if I have a severe issue, etc. One person that knew my stance on them was astonished when I told them I started HRT, not because I was trans (they knew that already) but because I was taking medicines. (And no, I'm not a naturopath nut either.)

HRT isn't exactly something I would consider optional in this circumstance.

I get the L G B but not the T.


/liberal

monstera: I get the L G B but not the T.


/liberal

it's all for entertainment biatch

The One True TheDavid: Isn't this a repeat of something a month or so ago? Maybe this is a coming recruitment trend? Or is this the same chick from the previous story?

I's swear that "Old and busted" was used to.