BarkingUnicorn: I dismiss LifeNews as a source, too. Rejecting pro-lifers is fine. But elsewhere, it looks like Dr. Gosnell ran a butcher shop."Unlicensed doctor Steven Massof told the grand jury that he used scissors to snip the spines of more than 100 babies born alive. He worked for Gosnell for a few hundred dollars a week. He pleaded guilty to third-degree murder in the deaths of two babies allegedly stabbed by Gosnell while Massof assisted with the abortions. Gosnell's third wife, Pearl, a cosmetologist, pleaded guilty to performing an illegal, late-term abortion and other charges."He also faces charges of running a painkiller pill mill that earned him millions.
Arkanaut: I was wondering about that -- I thought it's up to the prosecution or the defense to strike the jurors from the pool, not the judge.
Dinjiin: FTA: and kill perhaps hundreds of babies in grisly infanticides by birthing them and "snipping" their spinal cords.I assume this is Lifer-speak for a partial birth abortion.In related news, doctors birthed my neighbor's heart out of his chest in order to violate it with various cutting tools. Surgery in general is often a grisly and violent endeavor.
jcooli09: Nor should we pretend that fetsues are babies.
reimanr06: Equating a lifesaving procedure with pulling a viable human fetus halfway out of the birth canal before killing it is frankly disgusting.
Sir-Marx-A-Lot: Gosnell, whose squalid "house of horrors" abortion clinic and callous, has had almost flippant attitude toward his macabre abortion practices shocked the nation.This is the poorest attempt at the construction of a sentence in English I've ever seen.Go ahead. Try to read it.
Mithiwithi: reimanr06: Equating a lifesaving procedure with pulling a viable human fetus halfway out of the birth canal before killing it is frankly disgusting.Which is why, in almost every state in the union, doing so has been flagrantly illegal for decades. A second trimester fetus isn't viable (it can't survive outside the womb), and third trimester abortions are only legal if the fetus has fatal defects and/or there is no alternative to preserve the life or health of the mother.
reimanr06: Comparing open heart surgery to a partial birth abortion is ridiculous. Equating a lifesaving procedure with pulling a viable human fetus halfway out of the birth canal before killing it is frankly disgusting.
Dinjiin: reimanr06: Comparing open heart surgery to a partial birth abortion is ridiculous. Equating a lifesaving procedure with pulling a viable human fetus halfway out of the birth canal before killing it is frankly disgusting.You are aware that two-thirds of all US states and the majority of European countries prohibit elective late-term abortions, right? Even where legal, many physicians or their clinics refuse to perform elective late-term abortions for ethical reasons. As such, the overwhelming number of late-term abortions are due to health concerns. You know, minor things like saving the mother's life from a pregnancy gone wrong. Such restrictions account for the reason that in the US, less than 1.5% of all abortions occur between 20-24 weeks and less than 0.1% occur after 24 weeks. So the comparison, IMHO, is almost spot on.As for being disgusting, I couldn't agree more. Most surgery is. And violent, too. But I think the term you're looking for is "immoral". That is an area where pro-choice and anti-choice camps are going to differ. And my answer to that is, if you find abortion immoral, then don't have one.
reimanr06: I just have a problem with the callous attitude expressed by you and others in this thread that equates a embryo/fetus (baby) with a tumor or other non-functioning organ.
Dinjiin: reimanr06: I just have a problem with the callous attitude expressed by you and others in this thread that equates a embryo/fetus (baby) with a tumor or other non-functioning organ.For those of us who deny the existence of a divine soul at conception and who have a slightly higher standard for defining what is human "life", it is classification we're able to make. If anything, I'd argue that anti-choicers are guilty of the opposite - that they're too eager to call a fetus a baby. You did it yourself with your parentheses around the word.
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