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(Yahoo)   Courtesy of Bobby Jindal's "school choice" program, Louisiana students can now learn that hippies were Satan worshippers who rarely bathed, and that the KKK were moral reformers who mostly fought against bootleggers and dirty movies   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 92
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2013-03-08 10:27:56 AM  
I can believe ayn rand followers being satanists.  hippies weren't/aren't into the 'f*ck you I got mine' attitude common among satanists.
 
2013-03-08 10:29:00 AM  
With the exception of them being Satan worshipers, they pretty much hit it on the head of what a hippy was.
 
2013-03-08 10:33:30 AM  
Oh, and


"[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."-United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

While I do not know the full context of the quote, one must always remember (yes I am Godwining this early) that Hitler was responsible for the Auto Bahn, the Volkswagen. Plus, he was a good judge of character; in the end, he did kill Hitler.

Basically going into detail about the activities of a group in a history book is something one would expect from a history book
 
2013-03-08 10:34:05 AM  
Many young people turned to drugs and immoral lifestyles; these youth became known as hippies. They went without bathing, wore dirty, ragged, unconventional clothing, and deliberately broke all codes of politeness or manners.

oddly enough, this also fits the descriptions of some christian groups.
 
2013-03-08 10:41:57 AM  
This guy may be the next Republican nominee for President! I'm all aflutter
 
2013-03-08 10:42:07 AM  
My great grandfather in NJ was in the Klan.  They weren't focused on blacks and Jews, or even bootleggers (Pappy loved his liquor) or immorality.

But boy did they have a hard on for "papists."  Remember, a lot of Italian immigration at that time in Jersey.
 
2013-03-08 10:42:11 AM  
and that the KKK were moral reformers who mostly fought against bootleggers and dirty movies

If that's true, then that just makes me hate them even more.
 
2013-03-08 10:44:35 AM  

cman: Oh, and


"[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."-United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

While I do not know the full context of the quote, one must always remember (yes I am Godwining this early) that Hitler was responsible for the Auto Bahn, the Volkswagen. Plus, he was a good judge of character; in the end, he did kill Hitler.

Basically going into detail about the activities of a group in a history book is something one would expect from a history book


And before someone claims I am white knighting for the KKK, I have this to say. I was saving it for a future reply but I realize how quickly people misunderstand me.

Basically just because an evil group does something not as evil or evil at all does not negate the fact that they are still evil
 
2013-03-08 10:51:45 AM  
ok, the KKK quote looks like it was taken out of context from a larger section about the KKK, and might or might not be Fair and Balanced depending on what the rest of the thing said.
The KKK did see itself as a moral reformer and was seen as a respectable organization by a lot of communities.  It's unfortunate, but that doesn't make it untrue.

The hippies thing is pretty ridiculous though
 
2013-03-08 10:53:40 AM  
Obama giving a brief message to school children telling to work hard in school: indoctrination

Literally re-writing science and history textbooks school children use to match your political ideology: what so what
 
2013-03-08 10:57:03 AM  
I like:

"The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."

First, you are a slave, so by definition you are treated like a farking slave which is bad.

Second, what are the valid historical sources of this information, daily letters from the slave lobbies and testimonials from literate slaves writing to their local newspapers?  What is a slave-owner is going to say, "I treat them badly"?
 
2013-03-08 10:59:17 AM  
I can just envision the bits on modern America:

'Coming to prominence in the late 2000s, the Tea Partywas a populist movement dedicated to the patriotic values of small government, fiscal responsibility, traditional family values, and the protection of American exceptionalism. They worked tirelessly to defeat the neo-socialism of the  Democrat Party, led by  Barrack Hussein Obama.Born in Kenya during the height of the free-love era to a hippie mother and an African father,  Barrack Hussein Obama worked tirelessly to subvert traditional American values in favor of welfare state like that found in Greece. If it were not for the continual vigilance of the  Tea Partyand such great Americans as  Rand PaulBarrack Hussein Obamawould have been able to legalize gay marriage, promote abortion as a viable means of birth control, betray America's alliance with Israel, and enact a European-style single-payer healthcare system.'

...and they would see all of that as being both A) true, and B) good. 

/ some days, I weep for my country
 
2013-03-08 11:00:53 AM  

cman: With the exception of them being Satan worshipers, they pretty much hit it on the head of what a hippy was.


Funny. I would argue that their protests trying to end the Viet Nam war were the height of morality.

People ordered into a war by lying, cynical leaders only to die pointlessly by the thousands is about as immoral as you can get, IMHO.
 
2013-03-08 11:09:39 AM  
Not like it matters.  Anyone who sends their kids to a school like this is telling them much worse at home.
 
2013-03-08 11:09:41 AM  
14 Wacky Facts Kids Will Learn in Louisiana Schools

My personal favorite:

"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ." America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994
 
2013-03-08 11:10:32 AM  

cman: Oh, and


"[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."-United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

While I do not know the full context of the quote, one must always remember (yes I am Godwining this early) that Hitler was responsible for the Auto Bahn, the Volkswagen. Plus, he was a good judge of character; in the end, he did kill Hitler.

Basically going into detail about the activities of a group in a history book is something one would expect from a history book


let me give you this context: this history book was written by a university that chose to forgo all federal funding rather than allow inter-racial dating by its students
 
2013-03-08 11:17:03 AM  

scottydoesntknow: and that the KKK were moral reformers who mostly fought against bootleggers and dirty movies

If that's true, then that just makes me hate them even more.


They really were the Taliban of their day, terrorists who wouldn't hesitate to violently enforce thier version of morality (which included hating darkies, Cath-o-lics and Jews)   though in fairness to the South, their greatest power was in Indiana not the Deep south, where you could not get elected to any public office in the state without thier endorsement, something that went on until thier Grand (wizard? Dragon? Hobbit?) slipped a fatal roofie to a young lady he basically kidnapped and took aboard his private "sex train".   That was a bit much even for the kinda people that thought the KKK was a swell group of folks.
 
2013-03-08 11:19:36 AM  

Diogenes: My great grandfather in NJ was in the Klan.  They weren't focused on blacks and Jews, or even bootleggers (Pappy loved his liquor) or immorality.

But boy did they have a hard on for "papists."  Remember, a lot of Italian immigration at that time in Jersey.


Which may be why we don't hear much about the exploits of the NJ Klan.  It's a lot safer to terrorize legally dispossesed poor black people than tightly-knit immigrant populations with a long history of organized crime.
 
2013-03-08 11:20:57 AM  

Magorn: let me give you this context: this history book was written by a university that chose to forgo all federal funding rather than allow inter-racial dating by its students


From their wiki:

Bob Jones University (BJU) is a private, for-profit,non-denominational Protestant university in Greenville, South Carolina.

Supply-Side Jesus must be an econ professor.
 
2013-03-08 11:26:58 AM  

Magorn: let me give you this context: this history book was written by a university that chose to forgo all federal funding rather than allow inter-racial dating by its students


I really wanna know their stance on gay students. Willing to bet it mirrors exactly what they said in 1970 regarding interracial dating/marriage: "God intended segregation of the races and that the Scriptures forbid interracial marriage."
 
2013-03-08 11:29:58 AM  
Wait, nevermind, their handbook answers it:

Students are to avoid any types of entertainment that could be considered immodest or that contain profanity, scatological realism, sexual perversion, erotic realism, lurid violence, occultism and false philosophical or religious assumptions." Grounds for immediate dismissal include stealing, immorality (including sexual relations between unmarried students), possession of hard-core pornography, use of alcohol or drugs, and participating in a public demonstration for a cause the university opposes.

Similar "moral failures" are grounds for terminating the employment of faculty and staff. In 1998, a homosexual alumnus was threatened with arrest if he visited the campus
 
2013-03-08 11:34:32 AM  

Magorn: Diogenes: My great grandfather in NJ was in the Klan.  They weren't focused on blacks and Jews, or even bootleggers (Pappy loved his liquor) or immorality.

But boy did they have a hard on for "papists."  Remember, a lot of Italian immigration at that time in Jersey.

Which may be why we don't hear much about the exploits of the NJ Klan.  It's a lot safer to terrorize legally dispossesed poor black people than tightly-knit immigrant populations with a long history of organized crime.


Textbook.

And in Stirling, NJ even metaphorically appropriate.  It's divided by a train line.  The nice white people lived on one side and the Italians lived on the "wrong side of the tracks."

Grandma tries to explain away his participation saying that it was more of a social club than anything.  As if it would make it acceptable.  I argue that he was a very smart man and should have known better.  I did know him - he didn't pass until I was in my teens.  I didn't know until well after he died.
 
2013-03-08 11:38:34 AM  

mrshowrules: I like:

"The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."

First, you are a slave, so by definition you are treated like a farking slave which is bad.

Second, what are the valid historical sources of this information, daily letters from the slave lobbies and testimonials from literate slaves writing to their local newspapers?  What is a slave-owner is going to say, "I treat them badly"?


Obviously morale improved so the beating did not have to continue.
 
2013-03-08 11:46:35 AM  
The textbook in question....

Notice that the excerpts from the books below the main story are from Bob Jones University Press:. BJU, if you remember is an unaccredited "university" that mocks Judaism, Catholicism and Islam, and preaches racial segregation:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 11:47:42 AM  

Mentat: "God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ." America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994


A Beka runs a crazy-ass online Christian "academy" as well. I am not surprised they have books like that.
 
2013-03-08 11:48:43 AM  
BJU, doesn't sound like such a bad place to go.
 
2013-03-08 12:02:07 PM  

Magorn: Diogenes: My great grandfather in NJ was in the Klan.  They weren't focused on blacks and Jews, or even bootleggers (Pappy loved his liquor) or immorality.

But boy did they have a hard on for "papists."  Remember, a lot of Italian immigration at that time in Jersey.

Which may be why we don't hear much about the exploits of the NJ Klan.  It's a lot safer to terrorize legally dispossesed poor black people than tightly-knit immigrant populations with a long history of organized crime.


I grew up in NJ, and one of my high school friends had moved to the area from West Virginia, and one
we were talking about the Klan.

He said that the Klan in his home state had learned not to shoot at the Irish because "They shoot back."

I presume the same could be said of the Italian population in NJ as well.
 
2013-03-08 12:06:56 PM  
i.imgur.com


Whether Satan worshippers or not, one thing is for certain: Jefferson Airplane's 1967 Surrealistic Pillow is one of the greatest farking albums of all time.

/currently listening at work
 
2013-03-08 12:14:00 PM  

Mentat: 14 Wacky Facts Kids Will Learn in Louisiana Schools

My personal favorite:

"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ." America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994


Wow. Now that is downright offensive.

Although I guess its true that the Trail of Tears sent a lot of Indians to Jesus.

So to speak.
 
2013-03-08 12:20:19 PM  
FTFA: Connection refused

How's that for choice.
 
2013-03-08 12:22:23 PM  

cman: cman: Oh, and


"[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."-United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

While I do not know the full context of the quote, one must always remember (yes I am Godwining this early) that Hitler was responsible for the Auto Bahn, the Volkswagen. Plus, he was a good judge of character; in the end, he did kill Hitler.

Basically going into detail about the activities of a group in a history book is something one would expect from a history book

And before someone claims I am white knighting for the KKK, I have this to say. I was saving it for a future reply but I realize how quickly people misunderstand me.

Basically just because an evil group does something not as evil or evil at all does not negate the fact that they are still evil


Well yeah.  You gotta do something to get your community to support you -- establish "street cred", as it were.  Kind of like how Mao redistributed land to poor farmers or Hamas runs clinics in Gaza.  Reel in supporters with small gestures before you tell them the big lie.
 
2013-03-08 12:22:50 PM  
Don't you see? Telling teens the KKK fought to eliminate booze and porn would only serve to make them more villainous!
 
2013-03-08 12:24:07 PM  
But you repeat yourself, asshole.

www.shareasale.com
 
2013-03-08 12:31:08 PM  
Klan targets were bootleggers and immoral movies

As if I didn't hate the Klan enough already!
 
2013-03-08 12:31:34 PM  

Weaver95: Many young people turned to drugs and immoral lifestyles; these youth became known as hippies. They went without bathing, wore dirty, ragged, unconventional clothing, and deliberately broke all codes of politeness or manners.

oddly enough, this also fits the descriptions of some christian groups.

.

..and people that work at Whole Foods.
 
2013-03-08 12:32:29 PM  
I'm sorry, but all of these things should be standard litmus tests for excluding you from public office. Kind of the way 'what do you think about rape?' was the excluding criteria last year.

If you think:

* a modern economy can be run on the gold standard
* humans lived with dinosaurs
* God takes a direct hand in elections
* rape, slavery, racism, or any other crime against humanity can ever be a good thing
* Hitler was a communist, Obama is like Stalin, or any other incredibly idiotic misreading of basic historical and political principles

You are automatically barred from office. No question, no appeal.
 
2013-03-08 12:40:21 PM  

whistleridge: I'm sorry, but all of these things should be standard litmus tests for excluding you from public office. Kind of the way 'what do you think about rape?' was the excluding criteria last year.

If you think:

* a modern economy can be run on the gold standard
* humans lived with dinosaurs
* God takes a direct hand in elections
* rape, slavery, racism, or any other crime against humanity can ever be a good thing
* Hitler was a communist, Obama is like Stalin, or any other incredibly idiotic misreading of basic historical and political principles

You are automatically barred from office. No question, no appeal.


On the one hand, the world would be a better place, and not just because a test that forbids idiots and crazy people would devastate the GOP.  On the other hand, political litmus tests are the standard for the GOP...and who wants to be like them?  Not sure what's on the gripping hand.
 
2013-03-08 12:40:38 PM  

cman: With the exception of them being Satan worshipers, they pretty much hit it on the head of what a hippy was.


Claiming they were immoral seems like a pretty subjective judgement, something that doesn't belong in a history text book.

cman: Basically going into detail about the activities of a group in a history book is something one would expect from a history book


Well that depends. Did they spend equal time talking about the good and bad things that the KKK did? If yes, then they are attempting to rewrite history to fit their views. I would say that an accurate coverage of the activities of the KKK would be at least a 1,000 sentences about the bad things they did to every 1 sentence about good things they did. I'm guessing that this text book didn't balance things that way.
 
2013-03-08 12:50:31 PM  

Mentat: 14 Wacky Facts Kids Will Learn in Louisiana Schools

My personal favorite:

"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ." America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994


God is a gigantic asshole.
 
2013-03-08 12:55:36 PM  

Emposter: whistleridge: I'm sorry, but all of these things should be standard litmus tests for excluding you from public office. Kind of the way 'what do you think about rape?' was the excluding criteria last year.

If you think:

* a modern economy can be run on the gold standard
* humans lived with dinosaurs
* God takes a direct hand in elections
* rape, slavery, racism, or any other crime against humanity can ever be a good thing
* Hitler was a communist, Obama is like Stalin, or any other incredibly idiotic misreading of basic historical and political principles

You are automatically barred from office. No question, no appeal.

On the one hand, the world would be a better place, and not just because a test that forbids idiots and crazy people would devastate the GOP.  On the other hand, political litmus tests are the standard for the GOP...and who wants to be like them?  Not sure what's on the gripping hand.


Not a LITERAL litmus test. Just a common sense one. Kind of like 'no one whose fastest pitch barely breaks the 60s is ever going to be a pitcher for the Yankees'. There's no rule saying that, but common sense dictates it. In the same way, common sense should dictate that no one who thinks the gold standard is a good idea will EVER get elected. 

In fact...HOW IN THE FARK IS THIS NOT ALREADY THE CASE?!?!?!
 
2013-03-08 01:03:44 PM  

whistleridge: Emposter: whistleridge: I'm sorry, but all of these things should be standard litmus tests for excluding you from public office. Kind of the way 'what do you think about rape?' was the excluding criteria last year.

If you think:

* a modern economy can be run on the gold standard
* humans lived with dinosaurs
* God takes a direct hand in elections
* rape, slavery, racism, or any other crime against humanity can ever be a good thing
* Hitler was a communist, Obama is like Stalin, or any other incredibly idiotic misreading of basic historical and political principles

You are automatically barred from office. No question, no appeal.

On the one hand, the world would be a better place, and not just because a test that forbids idiots and crazy people would devastate the GOP.  On the other hand, political litmus tests are the standard for the GOP...and who wants to be like them?  Not sure what's on the gripping hand.

Not a LITERAL litmus test. Just a common sense one. Kind of like 'no one whose fastest pitch barely breaks the 60s is ever going to be a pitcher for the Yankees'. There's no rule saying that, but common sense dictates it. In the same way, common sense should dictate that no one who thinks the gold standard is a good idea will EVER get elected.
In fact...HOW IN THE FARK IS THIS NOT ALREADY THE CASE?!?!?!


Because baseball players get chosen by people who know something about baseball, and politicians get chosen by people who don't know a damned thing about economics, political science, constitutional law/history or international relations.
 
2013-03-08 01:04:08 PM  
Much worse than the Klan quote is this one:

"A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."

Yeah, except for the whole   slavery thing. You know, forcing them to work against their will, not paying them, splitting them up from their family and selling them, raping them, you know, those little things. Sure, slaves were probably not beaten to death that often - because the owners wanted to get their "return on investment". But they sure were treated badly enough that there were many violent revolts, not to mention escaping to the north in the underground railroad and such.

If you use those textbooks, you're a racist and you are trying to whitewash history.
 
2013-03-08 01:06:17 PM  

adamatari: Much worse than the Klan quote is this one:

"A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."

Yeah, except for the whole   slavery thing. You know, forcing them to work against their will, not paying them, splitting them up from their family and selling them, raping them, you know, those little things. Sure, slaves were probably not beaten to death that often - because the owners wanted to get their "return on investment". But they sure were treated badly enough that there were many violent revolts, not to mention escaping to the north in the underground railroad and such.

If you use those textbooks, you're a racist and you are trying to whitewash history.


No need to dwell on the little things. You've got to look at the big picture. Like, um, well... uh... cheap cotton?
 
2013-03-08 01:06:42 PM  

whistleridge: Emposter: whistleridge: I'm sorry, but all of these things should be standard litmus tests for excluding you from public office. Kind of the way 'what do you think about rape?' was the excluding criteria last year.

If you think:

* a modern economy can be run on the gold standard
* humans lived with dinosaurs
* God takes a direct hand in elections
* rape, slavery, racism, or any other crime against humanity can ever be a good thing
* Hitler was a communist, Obama is like Stalin, or any other incredibly idiotic misreading of basic historical and political principles

You are automatically barred from office. No question, no appeal.

On the one hand, the world would be a better place, and not just because a test that forbids idiots and crazy people would devastate the GOP.  On the other hand, political litmus tests are the standard for the GOP...and who wants to be like them?  Not sure what's on the gripping hand.

Not a LITERAL litmus test. Just a common sense one. Kind of like 'no one whose fastest pitch barely breaks the 60s is ever going to be a pitcher for the Yankees'. There's no rule saying that, but common sense dictates it. In the same way, common sense should dictate that no one who thinks the gold standard is a good idea will EVER get elected. 

In fact...HOW IN THE FARK IS THIS NOT ALREADY THE CASE?!?!?!


Because you just asked for common sense from voters...in particular GOP voters?
 
2013-03-08 01:07:01 PM  

whistleridge: Emposter: whistleridge: I'm sorry, but all of these things should be standard litmus tests for excluding you from public office. Kind of the way 'what do you think about rape?' was the excluding criteria last year.

If you think:

* a modern economy can be run on the gold standard
* humans lived with dinosaurs
* God takes a direct hand in elections
* rape, slavery, racism, or any other crime against humanity can ever be a good thing
* Hitler was a communist, Obama is like Stalin, or any other incredibly idiotic misreading of basic historical and political principles

You are automatically barred from office. No question, no appeal.

On the one hand, the world would be a better place, and not just because a test that forbids idiots and crazy people would devastate the GOP.  On the other hand, political litmus tests are the standard for the GOP...and who wants to be like them?  Not sure what's on the gripping hand.

Not a LITERAL litmus test. Just a common sense one. Kind of like 'no one whose fastest pitch barely breaks the 60s is ever going to be a pitcher for the Yankees'. There's no rule saying that, but common sense dictates it. In the same way, common sense should dictate that no one who thinks the gold standard is a good idea will EVER get elected. 

In fact...HOW IN THE FARK IS THIS NOT ALREADY THE CASE?!?!?!


Because the representative "democracy" in the US is specifically geared to give wealthy demagogues power, and that includes (as it always has) loud God-botherers.
 
2013-03-08 01:08:21 PM  
"Many young people turned to drugs and immoral lifestyles; these youth became known as hippies. They went without bathing, wore dirty, ragged, unconventional clothing, and deliberately broke all codes of politeness or manners. Rock music played an important part in the hippie movement and had great influence over the hippies. Many of the rock musicians they followed belonged to Eastern religious cults or practiced Satan worship. "


um, can someone point out the inaccuracies here? I'm not seeing anything actually wrong...
 
2013-03-08 01:10:20 PM  

cman: Plus, he was a good judge of character; in the end, he did kill Hitler.


OK, that shiat is just hilarious...
 
2013-03-08 01:11:32 PM  

willfullyobscure: "Many young people turned to drugs and immoral lifestyles; these youth became known as hippies. They went without bathing, wore dirty, ragged, unconventional clothing, and deliberately broke all codes of politeness or manners. Rock music played an important part in the hippie movement and had great influence over the hippies. Many of the rock musicians they followed belonged to Eastern religious cults or practiced Satan worship. "


um, can someone point out the inaccuracies here? I'm not seeing anything actually wrong...


Probably because you really enjoy broad generalizations...

Using your logic, I could say that all Republicans are homophobic racists who like to diddle young boys, and you couldn't refute that.
 
2013-03-08 01:12:08 PM  
Subby linked to the wrong article... The link inside TFA is even better...

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/07/photos-evangelical-cu rr icula-louisiana-tax-dollars
 
2013-03-08 01:14:15 PM  

serial_crusher: The KKK did see itself as a moral reformer


You know what other organization saw itself as engaged in "moral reform"?

The KKK was and is a bunch of racist traitor thugs. Full stop. In fact, "racist traitor thug" should be how every Klansman is described. The k-word should henceforth be banned from our vocabulary.
 
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