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(CBS New York)   80% of recent NYC high school graduates cannot read. Somehow they're still active on Facebook and Youtube   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 30
    More: Obvious, high schools in New York City, high schools, basic skills, City University, Marcia Kramer  
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2013-03-08 11:03:30 AM  
4 votes:
looks like failmitter can't read either.

Officials told CBS 2′s Kramer that nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University's community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work.

its 80% of a certain subset of students that go to colleges where all you need to get in is a pulse (not even an SAT score or Regents diploma, a score of 50 on the PSAT will do). and its not that they can't read, that figure also includes math (that's probably a huge portion of that). and its that they can't perform at a college level, not that they can't do it at all.
2013-03-08 11:34:00 AM  
3 votes:

PumpkinCake: Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.


I judge at the regional and state levels for the International Science and Engineering Fair.  I also select recipients special awards at the state level for the Air Force and NASA.  I'm also involved in  The National Science Olympiad Committee.  I see the best of the best science and math minds from middle through high school.

In my experience home schoolers do well but are not far and away more successful than their public or private school peers.  Magnet school students tend to out perform home schoolers but not by as much as you'd expect.

The commondenominator among successful students in my experience has been parental involvement.  Traditional (non-magnet) public school students compete just as well as home schoolers, public magnet, secular private, religious private, charter, early college, etc. etc. with similar levels of parental involvement.


Home schooling is nice but it's another form of parent involvement, it's not magic. Public school  parents that make homework a priority and spend weekends taking their kids to science museums, zoos, etc. see similar results.
2013-03-08 10:58:08 AM  
3 votes:
Good thing Bloomturd is on top of this and not wasting time on stupid laws.
2013-03-08 10:55:10 AM  
3 votes:
I guess their teachers weren't getting paid enough.

right guys?
2013-03-08 11:41:04 AM  
2 votes:
Facebook and YouTube comments are proof undeniable that you don't need to be able to read or spell to use them.

Keep being stupid, kids. It's job security for us old folks.
2013-03-08 11:22:34 AM  
2 votes:

mahuika: mentula: this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school

And it's remedial help  in reading, writing, or math. Hell, I probably need remedial help in math and I went to a Seven Sisters college.


Yep. I have a Bachelor's degree from a good school and just for giggles I took the on-line placement tests for our local community college (to be fair, our community colleges are excellent and are part of the SUNY system, so it's not the idiots applying) I tested out on the English portion, but needed the remedial math class. Yes, those skills do fall out of your head from lack of use. I know that I once knew them, and they're right there like the name on the tip of your tongue. I just can no longer access them.

Age sucks.
2013-03-08 11:10:03 AM  
2 votes:
this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school
2013-03-08 10:57:10 AM  
2 votes:
I bet they can read Spanish just fine!
2013-03-08 02:07:27 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-08 02:07:22 PM  
1 votes:

spidermilk: This kind of shiat is so stupid. Face it old people- kids these days are MORE LITERATE than they were in the 'good old days' of the 1900s or whatever you wish America was.


Are you trolling?  By pretty much any standard of literacy, today's graduates are worse off than graduates from 1960.  Professors have to amend their course load due to the fact that today's students can't read as many pages per hour as previous generations.

That doesn't mean that they're dumber, however.  They may have access to more information and be better able to find what they need---they just aren't as practiced at the specific skills that we characterize as "literacy."
2013-03-08 01:49:13 PM  
1 votes:
I guess I'll be the one to ask if there's anything wrong with this.  Is there anything wrong with this?

College is supposed to be too hard for most of the population, and if everyone applies for college, the majority of kids shouldn't make the grade, even at the prerequisite level.  If most people can't qualify for admission to a public university, then most people shouldn't be able to handle a first-year CC courseload.

I would suggest that the problem isn't necessarily a poor K-12 system, but a generation obsessed with going to college when at least half of them shouldn't even consider it.
2013-03-08 12:04:18 PM  
1 votes:

PumpkinCake: /seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


How dare that harpy recount her personal experience!  Especially considering your one situation is different.  Maybe instead of being all butthurt, you could have spent some time considering the fact that not all home schooled kids have the same experience as your kids.  If you're as intelligent as you claim, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to wrap your brain around the concept that both your experiences and hers can exist at the same time.

Or, you know, you could get all butthurt that she had the gall to tell you the home schooled kids she works with are not equivalent to the ones you've run into...
2013-03-08 11:59:14 AM  
1 votes:
Was this on Drudge or Stormfront or something? The comment section on there was a derpapalooza-- even worse than normal for these types of websites.
2013-03-08 11:47:48 AM  
1 votes:
thank 'no child left behind' for this bullshiat. mixing in the morans with those that have the possibility at a future doesn't help either. if you don't have the basics+ down pat you shouldn't be tossing money at a college.

i was in the work world a long time. met way too many spectacular idiots with college degrees. yes there are lots of very intelligent college graduates too. they are the rare ones and are usually a pleasure to converse with.
2013-03-08 11:37:43 AM  
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: Yeah... suddenly all those English majors aren't looking so stupid, are they? They'll have a near-monopoly on clear, efficient communication.

Good luck being replaced by Rahul, STEM majors.


I got a perfect 800 on the verbal section of the GRE.

\just sayin'
\\ getting a PhD in physics
2013-03-08 11:36:22 AM  
1 votes:
Teachers dont make enough. Charter schools suck. More money. Self esteem is more important than achievement.

Did I cover all the idiotic left talking points?
2013-03-08 11:34:11 AM  
1 votes:

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


Unless you have a BA major in every subject you are not qualified to teach your kids in every subject.
2013-03-08 11:20:40 AM  
1 votes:
Looking at administration contact lists on the New York State department of education website and filtering out the people with title of "Principal" there are:

197 Administrators
366 various "Directors"
835 various other titles

Devote 20% of these middle and upper managers time to remedial reading tutoring.  Mission (at least partially  accomplished.
2013-03-08 11:15:43 AM  
1 votes:

AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.


Foreigner-like typing detected.
2013-03-08 11:12:47 AM  
1 votes:

mentula: this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school


And it's remedial help  in reading, writing, or math. Hell, I probably need remedial help in math and I went to a Seven Sisters college.
2013-03-08 11:05:42 AM  
1 votes:
Didn't Bloomberg run on the "success" of his education reforms last time around? Good job, Bloomy.
2013-03-08 11:04:54 AM  
1 votes:
My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*
2013-03-08 11:04:33 AM  
1 votes:

James!: How do you function in society anymore without reading? How do you even find porn on the internet?


Ts, BBW, and tits is not hard
2013-03-08 11:01:57 AM  
1 votes:
u dont hav 2 no how 2 read on facebook/utube.
2013-03-08 11:00:39 AM  
1 votes:
"English, motherfarker!  Can you speak read it?!"
2013-03-08 10:56:58 AM  
1 votes:
So is it actually 80% of NYCPHS graduates that can't make CUNY-spec reading muster, or 80% of those "in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College [that] couldn't make the grade."  If it is 80% of the aggregate, then why bring up the special program in the first place?

I mean, it is sad to think that a HS graduate couldn't read at a college level, but the headline makes it sound like "80% illiteracy" which no one that has ever observed teenagers on the internet would... doubt, actually.
2013-03-08 10:52:52 AM  
1 votes:
Thanks a lot, sequester.
2013-03-08 10:48:24 AM  
1 votes:
s22.postimage.org
2013-03-08 10:43:07 AM  
1 votes:
Wat dA Fuk u diz NYC scools foR?? I cn ReD FiNe! U tink U so fUkin smrt N sHiat, BicH! InnA FukU UP MUThafrkkaS!!
2013-03-08 10:31:14 AM  
1 votes:
How do you function in society anymore without reading? How do you even find porn on the internet?
 
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