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2013-03-08 10:31:14 AM
How do you function in society anymore without reading? How do you even find porn on the internet?
 
2013-03-08 10:43:07 AM
Wat dA Fuk u diz NYC scools foR?? I cn ReD FiNe! U tink U so fUkin smrt N sHiat, BicH! InnA FukU UP MUThafrkkaS!!
 
2013-03-08 10:48:24 AM
s22.postimage.org
 
2013-03-08 10:52:52 AM
Thanks a lot, sequester.
 
2013-03-08 10:53:59 AM
This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.
 
2013-03-08 10:54:18 AM
tenletter.files.wordpress.com

Never before has Mr. Derek Zoolander been more needed.
 
2013-03-08 10:55:10 AM
I guess their teachers weren't getting paid enough.

right guys?
 
2013-03-08 10:56:58 AM
So is it actually 80% of NYCPHS graduates that can't make CUNY-spec reading muster, or 80% of those "in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College [that] couldn't make the grade."  If it is 80% of the aggregate, then why bring up the special program in the first place?

I mean, it is sad to think that a HS graduate couldn't read at a college level, but the headline makes it sound like "80% illiteracy" which no one that has ever observed teenagers on the internet would... doubt, actually.
 
2013-03-08 10:57:10 AM
I bet they can read Spanish just fine!
 
2013-03-08 10:58:04 AM
They are all going to be on some kind of government subsidized disability or unemployment anyway.  You just watch daytime court tv for those lawyers.  That is really all you need to know in Imerrika these days anyhow.  The lawyer will read you the list of symptoms from webmd to fill out on your form with the in house doc.  The rest of us can just keep on rabbiting away...
I forgot the other option which is to cross streets with your headphones on until some schmuck has the gall to hit you.  Basically any kind of tort will do.  Cash it all in at JG Wentworth and marry your highschool sweetslut and take "cur" of her kids until she leaves and takes half so ya blow the rest on bath salts on the way to Maury.
 
2013-03-08 10:58:08 AM
Good thing Bloomturd is on top of this and not wasting time on stupid laws.
 
2013-03-08 10:59:11 AM
Officials: Most NYC High School Grads Need Remedial Help Before Entering CUNY

sploosh
 
2013-03-08 10:59:46 AM
CUNY Community Colleges

Sounds dirty...but it's not
 
2013-03-08 10:59:49 AM

Benjamin Orr: Good thing Bloomturd is on top of this and not wasting time on stupid laws.


Soda makes people stupid, he is all over it
 
2013-03-08 11:00:19 AM

namegoeshere: Wat dA Fuk u diz NYC scools foR?? I cn ReD FiNe! U tink U so fUkin smrt N sHiat, BicH! InnA FukU UP MUThafrkkaS!!


Are you my SIL?
 
2013-03-08 11:00:39 AM
"English, motherfarker!  Can you speak read it?!"
 
2013-03-08 11:01:57 AM
u dont hav 2 no how 2 read on facebook/utube.
 
2013-03-08 11:03:27 AM

AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.


Just don't home school.
 
2013-03-08 11:03:30 AM
looks like failmitter can't read either.

Officials told CBS 2′s Kramer that nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University's community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work.

its 80% of a certain subset of students that go to colleges where all you need to get in is a pulse (not even an SAT score or Regents diploma, a score of 50 on the PSAT will do). and its not that they can't read, that figure also includes math (that's probably a huge portion of that). and its that they can't perform at a college level, not that they can't do it at all.
 
2013-03-08 11:03:53 AM
I'm not one for censorship, but i don't think printing headlines that are pretty much outright lies is right either.  factoryconnection is exactly right in his reading of the article, which doesn't say what the headline says at all.
 
2013-03-08 11:04:33 AM

James!: How do you function in society anymore without reading? How do you even find porn on the internet?


Ts, BBW, and tits is not hard
 
2013-03-08 11:04:54 AM
My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*
 
2013-03-08 11:05:39 AM

Giltric: I guess their teachers weren't getting paid enough.

right guys?


Well, obviously.  If you pay them more they do a better job.
 
2013-03-08 11:05:42 AM
Didn't Bloomberg run on the "success" of his education reforms last time around? Good job, Bloomy.
 
2013-03-08 11:08:23 AM

factoryconnection: So is it actually 80% of NYCPHS graduates that can't make CUNY-spec reading muster, or 80% of those "in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College [that] couldn't make the grade."  If it is 80% of the aggregate, then why bring up the special program in the first place?

I mean, it is sad to think that a HS graduate couldn't read at a college level, but the headline makes it sound like "80% illiteracy" which no one that has ever observed teenagers on the internet would... doubt, actually.


It's also pointless without knowing (a) what percentage of NYCPHS grads wind up at CUNY community colleges and (b) how that percentage of students needing remedial work compares with other community colleges in other parts of the country.

/then again NYC is the world
//I read that on the internet once
///or maybe every day
 
2013-03-08 11:09:19 AM

kimmygibblershomework: They are all going to be on some kind of government subsidized disability or unemployment anyway.  You just watch daytime court tv for those lawyers.  That is really all you need to know in Imerrika these days anyhow.  The lawyer will read you the list of symptoms from webmd to fill out on your form with the in house doc.  The rest of us can just keep on rabbiting away...
I forgot the other option which is to cross streets with your headphones on until some schmuck has the gall to hit you.  Basically any kind of tort will do.  Cash it all in at JG Wentworth and marry your highschool sweetslut and take "cur" of her kids until she leaves and takes half so ya blow the rest on bath salts on the way to Maury.


I was going to post something similar, but you did it much more eloquently than I ever could have...
 
2013-03-08 11:09:51 AM

NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.



You need to homeschool.
 
2013-03-08 11:09:53 AM
funny.ph
 
2013-03-08 11:10:03 AM
this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school
 
2013-03-08 11:10:07 AM
Yeah... suddenly all those English majors aren't looking so stupid, are they? They'll have a near-monopoly on clear, efficient communication.

Good luck being replaced by Rahul, STEM majors.
 
2013-03-08 11:12:47 AM

mentula: this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school


And it's remedial help  in reading, writing, or math. Hell, I probably need remedial help in math and I went to a Seven Sisters college.
 
2013-03-08 11:13:07 AM
oohh, he card read good
 
2013-03-08 11:14:22 AM

NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.


Hell no. As much as it would break my heart, I'd rather move then my wife and I trying to home-school. We like to think we're smart, but that's what teachers are for. My experience with teaching is el-zilcho, so I'm only good enough to help with homework.
 
2013-03-08 11:15:03 AM

AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.


I don't understand. Public schools are free here in NY state. If they're charging you, that's farked up.

It's really a cultural thing, and a part of a bigger problem. Because its seen as "free" and "obligatory", people of all classes and creeds are taking it for granted. For the rich, since its "free" it's too crappy for their snowflakes, so they'll spend $20k/semester to send then to Andover or something, write off that expense, complain that they still have to pay property taxes for schools their kids dont go to, and try to defund the crap out of it. For the elderly, yeah they went to those schools and got an education and were made the better for it, but now they have a fixed income, and "times are different"*, so they'll vote against every tax measure to sustain it. For the young and their parents, "them teachers" never treated them right and didn't see how amazing they were, and kept insisting they do homework and read and learn maths and stuff that's just stupid because you don't need to know that shiat if you work in the mill or hustle or whatever. Teachers just be all up in their faces and whatever, because I rent an apartment, so I don't have to pay for this... But if there's a snow day and I gotta call my aunt to watch the kids so I can get to my shift at the salon/temp agency/McD's, oh hell no.

Education is not free, or obligatory. It's a valuable investment in society and an opportunity for their members. This is where we build our community's foundations and our futures. If you want to fix our country, start looking at our schools. The more people with a proper education we have, the better things will work across the board. When we get around to remembering that, maybe this will be fixed.

*I've learned that this is a catch-all phrase old people use as an excuse to justify their hypocrisy: "Yeah, I was always against war, but things have changed." "Yeah, I worked in a Union, retired at 55 and I'm living on a pension, but things have changed and everyone else who wants one is lazy." "I supported equal rights, but things have changed and..."

It works interchangeably with "Things were different then..."
 
2013-03-08 11:15:42 AM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


THIS--I agree with everything you wrote.  Some home schoolers are religious weirdos, but my kids were taught by my wife, and then went to a good public high school.  They're both head and shoulders ahead of their friends--honors classes with As for both of them.  And this in a school considered the third-best in the state.  I weep for America's future hearing about the kids going through the 127th-best school my brother teaches in.  He had to re-teach reading a ruler to 7th-graders.  Most of them couldn't find the quarter-inch mark.

/98% of the teachers do their best-->society is killing parental responsibility.
 
2013-03-08 11:15:43 AM

AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.


Foreigner-like typing detected.
 
2013-03-08 11:17:02 AM

namegoeshere: Wat dA Fuk u diz NYC scools foR?? I cn ReD FiNe! U tink U so fUkin smrt N sHiat, BicH! InnA FukU UP MUThafrkkaS!!


repsot dis if u cry evry time.

/i luv u FIVE-evah.
 
2013-03-08 11:18:55 AM
mahuika:
Hell, I probably need remedial help in math and I went to a Seven Sisters college.

let's just say i knew i wouldn't be majoring in physics!
 
2013-03-08 11:19:22 AM
Apparently, Subby has not been to lamebook or failbook, and that why thinks there is a connection between being able to read/write and facebook.
 
2013-03-08 11:20:40 AM
Looking at administration contact lists on the New York State department of education website and filtering out the people with title of "Principal" there are:

197 Administrators
366 various "Directors"
835 various other titles

Devote 20% of these middle and upper managers time to remedial reading tutoring.  Mission (at least partially  accomplished.
 
2013-03-08 11:21:30 AM
Neither can 80% of the posters on Fark.com.
 
2013-03-08 11:22:34 AM

mahuika: mentula: this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school

And it's remedial help  in reading, writing, or math. Hell, I probably need remedial help in math and I went to a Seven Sisters college.


Yep. I have a Bachelor's degree from a good school and just for giggles I took the on-line placement tests for our local community college (to be fair, our community colleges are excellent and are part of the SUNY system, so it's not the idiots applying) I tested out on the English portion, but needed the remedial math class. Yes, those skills do fall out of your head from lack of use. I know that I once knew them, and they're right there like the name on the tip of your tongue. I just can no longer access them.

Age sucks.
 
2013-03-08 11:24:42 AM
Is submitter asserting that functional illiteracy is incompatible with usage of Facebook and YouTube?

Because there is plenty of contrary evidence on Facebook and YouTube.
 
2013-03-08 11:26:18 AM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though neighborhood kids still pick on him, accusing him of the silliest things, like masturbating his penis to the passing school bus.  Kids are just absurd.

My DD Rebbecca just started menstruating again, so we're all very proud of her and her weight gains.  She made the choice to stop eating and take all of her nutrition from staring at the sun - a silly phase for a twenty-three year old!  She's working hard on becoming an unlicensed neurosurgeon so she can repair the brains of third world children.  She seems to take great delight in collecting roadkill at night and performing her experiments on them.  Success story?  I'd say (twinkle in my eye).

My youngest, Richie, is twenty-four months and already has the vocabulary of a grown man.  He told me this morning that he wanted to be an anesthesiologist.  I told him to aim higher than the simple medical sciences!  He loves hiding under the bed, though we have to drag him out every so often so he doesn't drink his urine.  More silly kid behavior!

All in all, we're the perfect family.  I hope that you and I, being geniuses, can bring our families together and form some sort of super group of singing, brain repairing, clean freaks who show the world that we're better than everyone else!  And don't worry - we'll tutor your little darlings up so they won't feel inadequate.  And you too!

Please contact me so we can schedule a home science fair or inter-capta geography rodeo with group massage.
 
2013-03-08 11:26:42 AM
That's not what the article says, subby. 80% needed at least one remedial class, including math. I'm guessing there were a lot more people in remedial math than learning how to read.
 
2013-03-08 11:28:50 AM

PumpkinCake: NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.


You need to homeschool.


AgentBang: NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.

Hell no. As much as it would break my heart, I'd rather move then my wife and I trying to home-school. We like to think we're smart, but that's what teachers are for. My experience with teaching is el-zilcho, so I'm only good enough to help with homework.


Looks like my "joke" fell flat. I have nothing against homeschooling. Every home-schooled child I know is doing very well, if not better, then non-home-schooled kids.
I was tying to make a small joke about this line "Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school." Which I assumed was a mistake and intended to say private, not public, school.
 
2013-03-08 11:31:35 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-03-08 11:33:06 AM
If you need remedial courses, then you're not ready for college.
 
2013-03-08 11:34:00 AM

PumpkinCake: Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.


I judge at the regional and state levels for the International Science and Engineering Fair.  I also select recipients special awards at the state level for the Air Force and NASA.  I'm also involved in  The National Science Olympiad Committee.  I see the best of the best science and math minds from middle through high school.

In my experience home schoolers do well but are not far and away more successful than their public or private school peers.  Magnet school students tend to out perform home schoolers but not by as much as you'd expect.

The commondenominator among successful students in my experience has been parental involvement.  Traditional (non-magnet) public school students compete just as well as home schoolers, public magnet, secular private, religious private, charter, early college, etc. etc. with similar levels of parental involvement.


Home schooling is nice but it's another form of parent involvement, it's not magic. Public school  parents that make homework a priority and spend weekends taking their kids to science museums, zoos, etc. see similar results.
 
2013-03-08 11:34:11 AM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


Unless you have a BA major in every subject you are not qualified to teach your kids in every subject.
 
2013-03-08 11:34:51 AM
FuzzyPinkMatrix:
/then again NYC is the world
//I read that on the internet once
///or maybe every day


It's not the whole world. It's just the only option left if you're certain kinds of talented or smart (or smartass).
 
2013-03-08 11:36:09 AM
wel im  gad tat mi taxeis wel b raysed in the futre too siport thees peple.
 
2013-03-08 11:36:22 AM
Teachers dont make enough. Charter schools suck. More money. Self esteem is more important than achievement.

Did I cover all the idiotic left talking points?
 
2013-03-08 11:36:45 AM
This explains Bloomberg

And turning the condom inside out and using it again
 
2013-03-08 11:37:43 AM

James F. Campbell: Yeah... suddenly all those English majors aren't looking so stupid, are they? They'll have a near-monopoly on clear, efficient communication.

Good luck being replaced by Rahul, STEM majors.


I got a perfect 800 on the verbal section of the GRE.

\just sayin'
\\ getting a PhD in physics
 
2013-03-08 11:39:51 AM
Isn't there some form of test that all students have to take to make sure that all who graduate can read, write and do math at a high school level?

I know that when I was in high school I had to take a state issued test on reading, writing and math before I could graduate.  I could have had a straight A average in all classes, but until that test was passed, I wasn't graduating.

But I will go ahead and say this, there is zero excuse of anyone to be in high school and not know how to read, and if there is, then the school district and parents of said kid have all failed.
 
2013-03-08 11:39:55 AM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


You should vent to Dear  Prudence, who will advise you to have your husband speak to his father about the latter's wife. Or just note that your kids aren't in juvie and have nothing to do with the ones  she's talking about.  Or learn how to steer  a conversation onto a neutral subject.
 
2013-03-08 11:41:04 AM
Facebook and YouTube comments are proof undeniable that you don't need to be able to read or spell to use them.

Keep being stupid, kids. It's job security for us old folks.
 
2013-03-08 11:42:00 AM
When my sister had her first kid, she was researching and reading all these baby forums where new moms could ask questions and answer and such. She said she was so disgusted by the lack of spelling, grammar, and general INTELLIGENCE of 60% of the people posting. Not to mention, some of these questions were like Yahoo Answers for idiots. We'd get a great laugh out of them. For example- "Im 5weeks whenwill i feel my baby kicking i wanna knowplease thankx"

First of all, lady, your baby is the size of a pencil eraser. If you could feel it kick, that'd be a miracle. Secondly, the space bar is your friend.  There is too much. Another one was  "Im 13 and I'm ready for a family but my mom says no how can i get pregnant" . JUST STOP. MY EFFING GOD. STOP.

The general consensus that my sister and I had was that most of the world SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING. Just sew it up until you can pass a basic intelligence test, please. But in this day and age of autocorrect, no one knows how to spell without tlking txt spk NEmore.

/texts and IM's in perfect sentences
//irks me not to
 
2013-03-08 11:42:15 AM

Molavian: Giltric: I guess their teachers weren't getting paid enough.

right guys?

Well, obviously.  If you pay them more they do a better job.


But that works so well for investment bankers...
 
2013-03-08 11:45:41 AM
This is a repeat from the 1960s, 70s, 80s and 90s...

The politicians response!

We need more STANDARDIZED TESTS!  VOTE FOR ME!!!  HURR DURRRR!

Reality check: Standardized testing was proven useless against illiteracy in the 1960s and was gone in the most part by the early 70s, but like a zombie, it keeps coming back to life.
 
2013-03-08 11:46:26 AM
www.lamebook.com
 
2013-03-08 11:47:48 AM
thank 'no child left behind' for this bullshiat. mixing in the morans with those that have the possibility at a future doesn't help either. if you don't have the basics+ down pat you shouldn't be tossing money at a college.

i was in the work world a long time. met way too many spectacular idiots with college degrees. yes there are lots of very intelligent college graduates too. they are the rare ones and are usually a pleasure to converse with.
 
2013-03-08 11:48:31 AM
When they graduated from city high schools, students in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College couldn't make the grade

Someone translate this for me, as I am not overly familiar with the US education program. Special remedial program is just a nice way of saying school for mentally challenge people. Special school, right? And community college is where you go to when real college is/was to expensive or you are 30 and would like to get a college degree, right?
 
2013-03-08 11:48:53 AM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife


So, your mother-in-law?
 
2013-03-08 11:48:54 AM
and they keep voting Demokrat...


thestrangestbrew.com
 
2013-03-08 11:50:55 AM

Great Janitor: Isn't there some form of test that all students have to take to make sure that all who graduate can read, write and do math at a high school level?

I know that when I was in high school I had to take a state issued test on reading, writing and math before I could graduate.  I could have had a straight A average in all classes, but until that test was passed, I wasn't graduating.

But I will go ahead and say this, there is zero excuse of anyone to be in high school and not know how to read, and if there is, then the school district and parents of said kid have all failed.


New York State has a tiered diploma system: Advanced Regents, Regents, and General. For Advanced Regents and Regents diplomas, yes students need to pass a Regents exam in all core subjects demeonstrating a minimum level of competency. I'm in CNY, not NYC, but around here Regents exams are a Big Farking Deal. My oldest is taking the Science and Math exams this year, and they have already started prepping for the end of the year tests. General diplomas are much easier to earn - basically you showed up for 4 or more years and handed stuff in occasionally. If these are the kids who are testing for CUNY, then yeah this is completely believable. Usually any kid who is headed for any sort of post-high school education needs at least a Regents diploma though.
 
2013-03-08 11:51:51 AM
Subby has obviously never read the comments on YouTube.

/It is a farking train wreck.
 
2013-03-08 11:52:41 AM

MCStymie: namegoeshere: Wat dA Fuk u diz NYC scools foR?? I cn ReD FiNe! U tink U so fUkin smrt N sHiat, BicH! InnA FukU UP MUThafrkkaS!!

repsot dis if u cry evry time.

/i luv u FIVE-evah.


Sending out hugs to all LOL
 
2013-03-08 11:53:12 AM

lucksi: When they graduated from city high schools, students in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College couldn't make the grade

Someone translate this for me, as I am not overly familiar with the US education program. Special remedial program is just a nice way of saying school for mentally challenge people. Special school, right? And community college is where you go to when real college is/was to expensive or you are 30 and would like to get a college degree, right?


The college I went to had a remedial english and math department.  The idea behind it wasn't for the mentally challenged, but instead, was there for those who may have been out of high school for several years and were rather rusty on the basics. Spend a semester or two on a few refresher courses, then go on to your college level classes.
 
2013-03-08 11:53:38 AM

spentmiles: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though ne ...


10/10 (golfclap)
 
2013-03-08 11:55:14 AM

AgentBang: NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.

Hell no. As much as it would break my heart, I'd rather move then my wife and I trying to home-school. We like to think we're smart, but that's what teachers are for. My experience with teaching is el-zilcho, so I'm only good enough to help with homework.


ANYBODY can teach...hell, I taught post secondary after spending 20 years in the field and was very successful.
 
2013-03-08 11:55:49 AM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


I've met both under and over educated home schoolers, but none who know how to interact in society. And the vast majority are deeply religious. Church at least once a week and full on tithing, and talking at work about how God affects their life all the time.
 
2013-03-08 11:56:18 AM
eshalis:

Unless you have a BA major in every subject you are not qualified to teach your kids in every subject.

Most teachers have bachelor's degrees in Education or Pedagogy, not English or Math.  If you're lucky, the teachers might have minored in English, Math, Chemistry, etc.

I've taken many courses alongside prospective math and physics high school teachers; it's scary as hell just how little they know and understand the topics they hope to teach.
 
2013-03-08 11:57:56 AM

lucksi: And community college is where you go to when real college is/was to expensive or you are 30 and would like to get a college degree, right?


I don't know about the CUNY schools, but in CNY most of the community colleges are linked into the SUNY system (which is excellent). Credits transfer easily. It is MUUUUUUUUUCH cheaper, and is a smaller, gentler environment. Many kids here will start at a community school for their basics and then transfer to a SUNY school (really easy within the system) for the second half of college, especially if they're not clear on what they want to major in yet. Also, not all kids are ready to dive into a large college environment, and for them community college can be like college with training wheels. Better that than crashing and burning in a big school.  And yeah, if you're working full time while going to school, community colleges make a lot of sense.
 
2013-03-08 11:59:14 AM
Was this on Drudge or Stormfront or something? The comment section on there was a derpapalooza-- even worse than normal for these types of websites.
 
2013-03-08 12:00:43 PM

namegoeshere: Great Janitor: Isn't there some form of test that all students have to take to make sure that all who graduate can read, write and do math at a high school level?

I know that when I was in high school I had to take a state issued test on reading, writing and math before I could graduate.  I could have had a straight A average in all classes, but until that test was passed, I wasn't graduating.

But I will go ahead and say this, there is zero excuse of anyone to be in high school and not know how to read, and if there is, then the school district and parents of said kid have all failed.

New York State has a tiered diploma system: Advanced Regents, Regents, and General. For Advanced Regents and Regents diplomas, yes students need to pass a Regents exam in all core subjects demeonstrating a minimum level of competency. I'm in CNY, not NYC, but around here Regents exams are a Big Farking Deal. My oldest is taking the Science and Math exams this year, and they have already started prepping for the end of the year tests. General diplomas are much easier to earn - basically you showed up for 4 or more years and handed stuff in occasionally. If these are the kids who are testing for CUNY, then yeah this is completely believable. Usually any kid who is headed for any sort of post-high school education needs at least a Regents diploma though.


Wow.  When I was in high school there wasn't really a tiered system.  If you wanted a high school diploma there was an exam that you had to take to prove competency in reading, writing and math.  The test was given out to 10th graders in their second semester.  Those who passed never had to take the test again.  Those who failed had two tries in their junior year and two tries their senior year to pass.  Ninth and Tenth grade years had a bit of test prepping.  Junior year and beyond there was no test prepping unless you were one of the ones who needed to retake the test.

The idea that you just show up for four years and get a diploma without having to work for it is just alien to me.  But then again, participation trophies, participation diplomas.
 
2013-03-08 12:00:54 PM

namegoeshere: lucksi: And community college is where you go to when real college is/was to expensive or you are 30 and would like to get a college degree, right?

I don't know about the CUNY schools, but in CNY most of the community colleges are linked into the SUNY system (which is excellent). Credits transfer easily. It is MUUUUUUUUUCH cheaper, and is a smaller, gentler environment. Many kids here will start at a community school for their basics and then transfer to a SUNY school (really easy within the system) for the second half of college, especially if they're not clear on what they want to major in yet. Also, not all kids are ready to dive into a large college environment, and for them community college can be like college with training wheels. Better that than crashing and burning in a big school.  And yeah, if you're working full time while going to school, community colleges make a lot of sense.


I should translate if you are not US: SUNY = State University of New York. Good schools, but public not private. Still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as private colleges.

CNY = Central New York, also called (wrongly) "Upstate."
 
2013-03-08 12:00:54 PM

FizixJunkee: If you need remedial courses, then you're not ready for college.


It's usually called community college. It's the pre-school for colleges.
 
2013-03-08 12:01:21 PM

KrispyKritter: thank 'no child left behind' for this bullshiat. mixing in the morans with those that have the possibility at a future doesn't help either. if you don't have the basics+ down pat you shouldn't be tossing money at a college.

i was in the work world a long time. met way too many spectacular idiots with college degrees. yes there are lots of very intelligent college graduates too. they are the rare ones and are usually a pleasure to converse with.


Yeah, I stopped being nervous before job interviews after I worked as an HR assistant for a while. Phone interviews are effective tools for weeding out the idiots. You can tell by how someone talks if the light bulbs are on or not. And this is AFTER weeding the resumes out. My favorite trashed resume memory is someone who wrote "impecable atention to detale". I wish I could make this shiat up.

It's really sad. You'd think ENGLISH CLASSES are enough to weed out the people who can't read. Like, I don't know, book reports? High school was over a decade ago for me so I don't know if they still require those. I had an 11 page junior research paper I had to do that was half of my final grade. How the hell are these kids passing English courses?
 
2013-03-08 12:02:52 PM

Great Janitor: The idea that you just show up for four years and get a diploma without having to work for it is just alien to me. But then again, participation trophies, participation diplomas.


It's basically for the "special needs" kids, or at least that was the reason behind it initially. Not all kids are capable of Regents diplomas, but they are still special, work really hard, yadda yadda.
 
2013-03-08 12:03:58 PM

PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


Well, it is probably the only time you let her in the house.
 
2013-03-08 12:04:18 PM

PumpkinCake: /seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*


How dare that harpy recount her personal experience!  Especially considering your one situation is different.  Maybe instead of being all butthurt, you could have spent some time considering the fact that not all home schooled kids have the same experience as your kids.  If you're as intelligent as you claim, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to wrap your brain around the concept that both your experiences and hers can exist at the same time.

Or, you know, you could get all butthurt that she had the gall to tell you the home schooled kids she works with are not equivalent to the ones you've run into...
 
2013-03-08 12:10:01 PM

Honest Bender: PumpkinCake: /seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

How dare that harpy recount her personal experience!  Especially considering your one situation is different.  Maybe instead of being all butthurt, you could have spent some time considering the fact that not all home schooled kids have the same experience as your kids.  If you're as intelligent as you claim, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to wrap your brain around the concept that both your experiences and hers can exist at the same time.

Or, you know, you could get all butthurt that she had the gall to tell you the home schooled kids she works with are not equivalent to the ones you've run into...


I think PumpkinCake was getting mad at the MIL saying ALL homeschooled children are inbred retards. That would make me mad too, if I was homeschooling my kid.

That being said, I've met my fair share of homeschooled kids who are socially backwards and can't have normal conversations with adults, so no matter HOW smart they are, they sure don't seem it...
 
2013-03-08 12:13:07 PM

kiwimoogle84: I think PumpkinCake was getting mad at the MIL saying ALL homeschooled children are inbred retards.


But that's not what she said:

PumpkinCake: she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen

[...]
 
2013-03-08 12:14:40 PM
ph0rk:
This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.


Foreigner-like typing detected.


No, just an error on my end (thereby proving that I shouldn't home school). I meant "afford a private school."

Public schools are free in NYC, however there are magnet public schools which while free, one has to "audition" or provide a portfolio or some other outside work to be considered and accepted. It's terrifying and I'm not looking forward to the pressure.

This is why you have kids living in Brooklyn trekking up to the Bronx or Queens (easily an hour subway commute) to go to school because that school could offer a stronger curriculum or have better support than the "regular" school nearby. A student is welcome to attend the public school in their immediate zone, but it might not be the best choice. Those neighborhoods who are lucky enough to have a "good" school in their zone are fortunate, however it adds an additional $500-$1000 to someone's rent. Realty places even use it in their marketing..."great 2BR, zoned for PS ___."
 
2013-03-08 12:15:14 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: This is a repeat from the 1960s, 70s, 80s and 90s...

The politicians response!

We need more STANDARDIZED TESTS!  VOTE FOR ME!!!  HURR DURRRR!

Reality check: Standardized testing was proven useless against illiteracy in the 1960s and was gone in the most part by the early 70s, but like a zombie, it keeps coming back to life.


Those testing companies can afford a lot of lobbyists, seeing as they have every school district in every state buying their crap.
 
2013-03-08 12:15:39 PM

spentmiles: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though neighborhood kids still pick on him, accusing him of the silliest things, like masturbating his penis to the passing school bus.  Kids are just absurd.

My DD Rebbecca just started menstruating again, so we're all very proud of her and her weight gains.  She made the choice to stop eating and take all of her nutrition from staring at the sun - a silly phase for a twenty-three year old!  She's working hard on becoming an unlicensed neurosurgeon so she can repair the brains of third world children.  She seems to take great delight in collecting roadkill at night and performing her experiments on them.  Success story?  I'd say (twinkle in my eye).

My youngest, Richie, is twenty-four months and already has the vocabulary of a grown man.  He told me this morning that he wanted to be an anesthesiologist.  I told him to aim higher than the simple medical sciences!  He loves hiding under the bed, though we have to drag him out every so often so he doesn't drink his urine.  More silly kid behavior!

All in all, we're the perfect family.  I hope that you and I, being geniuses, can bring our families together and form some sort of super group of singing, brain repairing, clean freaks who show the world that we're better than everyone else!  And don't worry - we'll tutor your little darlings up so they won't feel inadequate.  And you too!

Please contact me so we can schedule a home science fair or inter-capta geography rodeo with group massage.


Bravo.
That is all.
 
2013-03-08 12:16:04 PM

FizixJunkee: If you need remedial courses, then you're not ready for college.


Some colleges rig the intro test so everyone at least takes 1 remedial course, my college did with remedial English.  Turns out the only way out of that course was to transfer in another college's English 101, however they didn't tell any new students that.

The only way I found out about it is when a buddy of mine went to the head of the English department to complain.

/"Remedial Courses" = extra $$$$$
 
2013-03-08 12:17:02 PM

clane: and they keep voting Demokrat...


[thestrangestbrew.com image 232x218]


he was elected three times as - a republican!
perhaps you need some remedial education yourself.
fun fact: i had just voted against him in the republican primary on 9/11 when ...
 
2013-03-08 12:18:00 PM

spentmiles: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though ne ...


That's dedication.
 
2013-03-08 12:19:14 PM

ModernLuddite: I bet they can read Spanish just fine!


I bet they're illiterate in several languages.
 
2013-03-08 12:20:01 PM

eshalis: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

Unless you have a BA major in every subject you are not qualified to teach your kids in every subject.


I was a public and private school teacher before I had kids.  They seemed happy with my qualifications, sweetcakes ;)
 
2013-03-08 12:21:53 PM

shortymac: FizixJunkee: If you need remedial courses, then you're not ready for college.

Some colleges rig the intro test so everyone at least takes 1 remedial course, my college did with remedial English.  Turns out the only way out of that course was to transfer in another college's English 101, however they didn't tell any new students that.

The only way I found out about it is when a buddy of mine went to the head of the English department to complain.

/"Remedial Courses" = extra $$$$$



There was a 7 year gap in my education when I didn't take a single math course or use math in any way and I still tested straight into college-level calculus when I returned to college (and that's without any prep).   Oh, and I got A's in the calculus courses, too.  No remedial courses needed.
 
2013-03-08 12:23:13 PM
Wow.  Just wow.  I think EPIC FAIL doesn't even come close to describing how bad this is.

I teach ESL writing as a TA at the U of Illinois.  The majority of my students are Chinese.  Even they have a grasp of basic English writing skills.  This is a sad day for all of us Americans.
 
2013-03-08 12:23:40 PM

Honest Bender: kiwimoogle84: I think PumpkinCake was getting mad at the MIL saying ALL homeschooled children are inbred retards.

But that's not what she said:

PumpkinCake: she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen [...]



You're right, but upon first skim that's how I translated it. My mistake.
 
2013-03-08 12:25:44 PM

spentmiles: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though ne ...



Channeling you inner Pocket Ninja today?
 
2013-03-08 12:37:03 PM

itsfullofstars: Looking at administration contact lists on the New York State department of education website and filtering out the people with title of "Principal" there are:

197 Administrators
366 various "Directors"
835 various other titles

Devote 20% of these middle and upper managers time to remedial reading tutoring.  Mission (at least partially  accomplished.


You forgot to close that parenthetical, which makes your "partially accomplished" comment hilarious.
 
2013-03-08 12:38:33 PM

kiwimoogle84: Honest Bender: kiwimoogle84: I think PumpkinCake was getting mad at the MIL saying ALL homeschooled children are inbred retards.

But that's not what she said:

PumpkinCake: she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen [...]


You're right, but upon first skim that's how I translated it. My mistake.


You ARE the 80%

/Just kidding :-)
 
2013-03-08 12:39:58 PM

Molavian: Giltric: I guess their teachers weren't getting paid enough.

right guys?

Well, obviously.  If you pay them more they do a better job.


THIS! Clearly everyone should be paid the same since pay has no impact on anything. My CEO completely agrees.

troll scoring 4/10 (minus 1 for direct solicitation)
 
2013-03-08 12:40:56 PM

namegoeshere: Still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as private colleges.


It is a shame too, it used to be a lot cheaper.

/SUNY Alfred alumni
 
2013-03-08 12:45:33 PM

FuzzyPinkMatrix: factoryconnection: So is it actually 80% of NYCPHS graduates that can't make CUNY-spec reading muster, or 80% of those "in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College [that] couldn't make the grade."  If it is 80% of the aggregate, then why bring up the special program in the first place?

I mean, it is sad to think that a HS graduate couldn't read at a college level, but the headline makes it sound like "80% illiteracy" which no one that has ever observed teenagers on the internet would... doubt, actually.

It's also pointless without knowing (a) what percentage of NYCPHS grads wind up at CUNY community colleges and (b) how that percentage of students needing remedial work compares with other community colleges in other parts of the country.

/then again NYC is the world
//I read that on the internet once
///or maybe every day


My argument is this: If you need to take remedial classes in college, you don't belong in college. Going to college only requires a 6th-grade reading level and math level. If you can't even do 6th-grde level work, you are just not cut out for academic work, and are wasting everyone's time and money.
 
2013-03-08 12:49:37 PM

genepool lifeboat: namegoeshere: Still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as private colleges.

It is a shame too, it used to be a lot cheaper.

/SUNY Alfred alumni


Isn't that the truth.

/Potsdam
 
2013-03-08 12:50:02 PM

MyRandomName: Teachers dont make enough. Charter schools suck. More money. Self esteem is more important than achievement.

Did I cover all the idiotic left talking points?


You forgot to blame Bush. 4/5 though.
 
2013-03-08 12:57:40 PM
Three cheers for gubment education!

I love how so many yanks bag on the South for being "backward", all the while their kids can't read or write.
 
2013-03-08 12:59:30 PM
Bloomberg should ban illiteracy.
 
2013-03-08 01:12:55 PM
People who were educated in new york city schools have been illiterate since at least the 1950s.  This is not new.
 
2013-03-08 01:28:13 PM
Facebook and YouTube comments are proof undeniable that you don't need to be able to read or spell to use them.

Facebook and YouTube comments undeniably prove that one doesn't need to be able to read or spell to use them.
-or-
Facebook and YouTube comments that prove that one does not need to be able to read or spell to use them cannot be denied.

FIFY

/GOML

/still agree with this sentiment in principle.
 
2013-03-08 01:31:12 PM

spentmiles: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though ne ...


I think I love you.
 
2013-03-08 01:35:30 PM

HelloNeuman: Molavian: Giltric: I guess their teachers weren't getting paid enough.

right guys?

Well, obviously.  If you pay them more they do a better job.

THIS! Clearly everyone should be paid the same since pay has no impact on anything. My CEO completely agrees.

troll scoring 4/10 (minus 1 for direct solicitation)


I wasn't sure if I should throw something about unions in there, too.
 
2013-03-08 01:49:13 PM
I guess I'll be the one to ask if there's anything wrong with this.  Is there anything wrong with this?

College is supposed to be too hard for most of the population, and if everyone applies for college, the majority of kids shouldn't make the grade, even at the prerequisite level.  If most people can't qualify for admission to a public university, then most people shouldn't be able to handle a first-year CC courseload.

I would suggest that the problem isn't necessarily a poor K-12 system, but a generation obsessed with going to college when at least half of them shouldn't even consider it.
 
2013-03-08 01:50:01 PM

spentmiles: PumpkinCake: My husband's father's wife came to our house for Christmas, as she generally has been doing for a couple years now.  She's a public school counselor for troubled high schools and spends weekends in Juvie with the kids, so she sees a bunch of stuff.

Now, this last Christmas she and her husband went on this half hour long rant about how every homeschool kid they have ever seen has been behind in academics and socially retarded.  Just on and on (I am in charge of schooling our kids, and I can go into great detail about which curriculums we use, which charter schools we have been a part of, and which social activities we participate in. I have a BA and have published a book, and am working on a couple more, as has my husband. We're not messing around).  I don't really care what these two think: they have their lives, and we see them on birthdays sometimes (we never invited them to Christmas, they just told us they were coming one year).

And then I see stories like this, and I wonder what on earth she was smoking.  Sure, there are some homeschoolers who go off into religious bunny trails, but most of the families I know still have to take the STAR tests and we're all kickin ass and taking names.

Just venting. Hate that woman.
/seriously...in *my house* with *my family* at *Christmas*

I know!  Seriously pisses me off when people berate homeschooling!

I see that you went the "self-study" approach to your education, which is great and will probably work for you.  But as someone who has a Harvard PhD in developmental studies, I feel as though I taught my children better than any formal school every could have - private, charter, public, you name it.  I don't believe in the STAR test model, but I'm sure my children would set the bar if I offered it to them as an enrichment exercise.

My DS Ricky is an accomplished violinist whom I'm sending to Greece in the summer to study the cultural effects of economic austerity measures.  He is a wonderful boy, though ne ...


Reminds me of that episode of the X-Files.  You know the one I'm talking about.
 
2013-03-08 01:51:27 PM
This kind of shiat is so stupid. Face it old people- kids these days are MORE LITERATE than they were in the 'good old days' of the 1900s or whatever you wish America was. I can understand 99% of youtube comments. People are writing MORE than they ever have before because it is easier.

This headline is also wildly inaccurate as many have pointed out. The headline makes it sound like 100% of new york high school graduates go to community college.
No.
Some go to other colleges, some go to this specific community college (and of that group, 80% need remedial help), and some don't go to college.
 

So, uh, who can't read now?
 
2013-03-08 01:58:15 PM

Xcott: I guess I'll be the one to ask if there's anything wrong with this.  Is there anything wrong with this?

College is supposed to be too hard for most of the population, and if everyone applies for college, the majority of kids shouldn't make the grade, even at the prerequisite level.  If most people can't qualify for admission to a public university, then most people shouldn't be able to handle a first-year CC courseload.

I would suggest that the problem isn't necessarily a poor K-12 system, but a generation obsessed with going to college when at least half of them shouldn't even consider it.


Though most people who visit a Walmart and sees their customer base would agree with your assessment of the average person, I don't think we are allowed to make that suggestion out loud.
 
2013-03-08 01:59:44 PM

Xcott: I guess I'll be the one to ask if there's anything wrong with this.  Is there anything wrong with this?

College is supposed to be too hard for most of the population, and if everyone applies for college, the majority of kids shouldn't make the grade, even at the prerequisite level.  If most people can't qualify for admission to a public university, then most people shouldn't be able to handle a first-year CC courseload.

I would suggest that the problem isn't necessarily a poor K-12 system, but a generation obsessed with going to college when at least half of them shouldn't even consider it.


Yea. Exactly. They didn't tell us how many of these kids were going to community college. Why are they going there? Will it even benefit them?? I would say 9/10 of my coworkers would not be able to do a basic math problem with fractions (without a calculator). I mean, sure it'd be easy for them to learn and they were certainly taught that in school, but clearly they don't REALLY need to know.

Communication skills are important, but seriously writing perfect sentences is not that important. 80% of the work I do is international and I'm working with people who speak English as a second (or third or fourth) language- if you think they would notice how great my style is when I write them a technical explanation of something you are crazy.
 
2013-03-08 02:07:22 PM

spidermilk: This kind of shiat is so stupid. Face it old people- kids these days are MORE LITERATE than they were in the 'good old days' of the 1900s or whatever you wish America was.


Are you trolling?  By pretty much any standard of literacy, today's graduates are worse off than graduates from 1960.  Professors have to amend their course load due to the fact that today's students can't read as many pages per hour as previous generations.

That doesn't mean that they're dumber, however.  They may have access to more information and be better able to find what they need---they just aren't as practiced at the specific skills that we characterize as "literacy."
 
2013-03-08 02:07:27 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 02:09:23 PM
100% of reporter doesn't understand basic descriptive stats. 

The way this is written it seems like they are trying to intentionally obfuscate the number.   The real number here is 80% of the graduates WHO WENT TO THIS COMMUNITY COLLEGE needed remedial studies.  Now, how well that describes the remaining 95% of the student body remains to be seen, but it's pretty meaningless on it's own.
 
2013-03-08 02:09:24 PM

Xcott: I would suggest that the problem isn't necessarily a poor K-12 system, but a generation obsessed with going to college when at least half of them shouldn't even consider it.


Society has been telling kids for years that "if you want to be successful, you NEED to go to college."  When, in fact, this isn't true at all.  Some people do need it, depending on what they want to accomplish.

I went to college for Electrical Engineering and ended up landing a job in IT where I advanced through OJT. I could have easily gotten here with just a high school diploma

My step brother has an IQ 2 points below bean dip, but you can throw a motor in front of him and he can take it apart and put it together with his eyes closed. Would he do well in college?  Hell no.  Is he successful?  Yes, at his given skill set.
.
 
2013-03-08 02:12:15 PM
80% of the children in NYC public schools are fresh off the boat. Big shock they arent doing so well on exams when this is the first time they've seen electricity and indoor plumbing.
 
2013-03-08 02:18:04 PM

ModernLuddite: I bet they can read Spanish just fine!


You would think so, but no. Speak, yeah, to a degree, at least the Spanish version of Ebonics  Read and write? not as much.  I had many many classmates in school, from places like DR, PR, etc, fail Spanish class because they couldn't write down their own conversations.
 
2013-03-08 02:23:13 PM

Xcott: I guess I'll be the one to ask if there's anything wrong with this.  Is there anything wrong with this?

College is supposed to be too hard for most of the population, and if everyone applies for college, the majority of kids shouldn't make the grade, even at the prerequisite level.  If most people can't qualify for admission to a public university, then most people shouldn't be able to handle a first-year CC courseload.

I would suggest that the problem isn't necessarily a poor K-12 system, but a generation obsessed with going to college when at least half of them shouldn't even consider it.


Well said.
 
2013-03-08 02:50:07 PM

LemSkroob: 80% of the children in NYC public schools are fresh off the boat. Big shock they arent doing so well on exams when this is the first time they've seen electricity and indoor plumbing.


i1019.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-08 03:07:49 PM

LemSkroob: ModernLuddite: I bet they can read Spanish just fine!

You would think so, but no. Speak, yeah, to a degree, at least the Spanish version of Ebonics  Read and write? not as much.  I had many many classmates in school, from places like DR, PR, etc, fail Spanish class because they couldn't write down their own conversations.


A Chicano friend of mine grew up here in Los Angeles speaking Spanish as his first language and English as his second (which he learned when he entered elementary school).  He admits that he can't spell several words in Spanish; he's only heard them, never read them.  His English skills, however, are above average despite it being his second language.
 
2013-03-08 03:08:36 PM

KrispyKritter: thank 'no child left behind' for this bullshiat. mixing in the morans with those that have the possibility at a future doesn't help either. if you don't have the basics+ down pat you shouldn't be tossing money at a college.

i was in the work world a long time. met way too many spectacular idiots with college degrees. yes there are lots of very intelligent college graduates too. they are the rare ones and are usually a pleasure to converse with.


Yup, No Child Left Behind is a Republican attempt to destroy public education.  It seems to be working.
 
2013-03-08 03:17:51 PM
If they can't read or do math why does this dumb college admit them?


oh, right, student aid and butts in seats.

carry on.
 
2013-03-08 03:32:56 PM

genepool lifeboat: Society has been telling kids for years that "if you want to be successful, you NEED to go to college."

 
CSB:  my security class teaches buffer overrun exploitation and stack-smashing.  In a good year, I assign the students to hijack a buggy program with a return-to-libc attack, although this is a challenge as lab computers become progressively immune to it.

One year, a CS professor came by my office and asked, "what the Hell are you teaching my kids?  I'm trying to teach them a recursive algorithm, and one of them said, 'but prof Xcott said recursion is a security flaw!'"  RECORD SCRATCH.  Apparently some kid utterly failed to understand stack-smashing, but he was still able to make the vague connection that recursion-->function call-->stack-->something bad.
 The lesson:  there's always a bottom segment of the class who not only fails to learn, but actually picks up a dramatically false version of what you say.  They come out of an engineering class worse off, because they have learned anti-facts.  So we hear that "society" is telling these kids they need to go to college, and I am inclined to ask:  how do we really know they're really being told this?   Maybe they're being told something far more nuanced and sensible, and then they look up from their Facebook feed and think, "I missed that, but it was something about, like, 'go to college.'"
 
2013-03-08 03:39:51 PM

Xcott:  there's always a bottom segment of the class who not only fails to learn, but actually picks up a dramatically false version of what you say.  They come out of an engineering class worse off, because they have learned anti-facts.  So we hear that "society" is telling these kids they need to go to college, and I am inclined to ask:  how do we really know they're really being told this?   Maybe they're being told something far more nuanced and sensible, and then they look up from their Facebook feed and think, "I missed that, but it was something about, like, 'go to college.'"


This happens in physics all the time.  Some kids won't "get" 95% of the material in the course and then go on to misunderstand/misconstrue the remaining 5%.
 
2013-03-08 03:47:47 PM
I think it's important to make a distinction between being able to, say, read Twilight, and being able to read a NYT article and argue against / for its points

so you can be able to read without being literate.

//teaches in a CUNY
 
2013-03-08 04:03:06 PM

aesirx: I think it's important to make a distinction between being able to, say, read Twilight, and being able to read a NYT article and argue against / for its points


Just look at all the people who read The Hunger Games and then got upset that the movie portrayed Rue as black.
 
2013-03-08 04:17:13 PM

VGA Hole: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

I don't understand. Public schools are free here in NY state. If they're charging you, that's farked up.

It's really a cultural thing, and a part of a bigger problem. Because its seen as "free" and "obligatory", people of all classes and creeds are taking it for granted. For the rich, since its "free" it's too crappy for their snowflakes, so they'll spend $20k/semester to send then to Andover or something, write off that expense, complain that they still have to pay property taxes for schools their kids dont go to, and try to defund the crap out of it. For the elderly, yeah they went to those schools and got an education and were made the better for it, but now they have a fixed income, and "times are different"*, so they'll vote against every tax measure to sustain it. For the young and their parents, "them teachers" never treated them right and didn't see how amazing they were, and kept insisting they do homework and read and learn maths and stuff that's just stupid because you don't need to know that shiat if you work in the mill or hustle or whatever. Teachers just be all up in their faces and whatever, because I rent an apartment, so I don't have to pay for this... But if there's a snow day and I gotta call my aunt to watch the kids so I can get to my shift at the salon/temp agency/McD's, oh hell no.

Education is not free, or obligatory. It's a valuable investment in society and an opportunity for their members. This is where we build our community's foundations and our futures. If you want to fix our country, start looking at our schools. The more people with a proper education we have, the better things will work across the board. When we get around to remembering that, maybe this will be fixed.

*I've learned that this is a catch-all phrase old pe ...


FizixJunkee: LemSkroob: ModernLuddite: I bet they can read Spanish just fine!

You would think so, but no. Speak, yeah, to a degree, at least the Spanish version of Ebonics  Read and write? not as much.  I had many many classmates in school, from places like DR, PR, etc, fail Spanish class because they couldn't write down their own conversations.

A Chicano friend of mine grew up here in Los Angeles speaking Spanish as his first language and English as his second (which he learned when he entered elementary school).  He admits that he can't spell several words in Spanish; he's only heard them, never read them.  His English skills, however, are above average despite it being his second language.


A buddy grew up in NYC and only learned English in the 2nd grade when the teachers put a stop to it (mid 80s).  He sounds like a Beastie Boy when he speaks English and is still fluent in Spanish speech but never has learned proper written Spanish.  It was weird to hear a white Nu Yawker give a dissertation on Dr. Dre, then turn to the waitress and order dinner in perfect Spanish.  Speaking a language doesn't mean you are literate in the language.
 
2013-03-08 04:29:13 PM
Yay something else for all the "STEM" neckbeards on Fark to feel superior about.
 
2013-03-08 05:05:00 PM

LemSkroob: 80% of the children in NYC public schools are fresh off the boat. Big shock they arent doing so well on exams when this is the first time they've seen electricity and indoor plumbing.


Um, what?  Americans have the craziest ideas about what life in the rest of the world is like.

Officials told CBS 2′s Kramer that nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University's community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work.

OK, so the headline was total bullshiat, no surprise. If he could read the HS grad wouldn't be in community college to start with.
 
2013-03-08 05:36:23 PM

genepool lifeboat: My step brother has an IQ 2 points below bean dip, but you can throw a motor in front of him and he can take it apart and put it together with his eyes closed. Would he do well in college?  Hell no.  Is he successful?  Yes, at his given skill set.
.

Does he also like eating "french-fried taters", mmmhmmm?
 
2013-03-08 07:37:38 PM

Xcott: genepool lifeboat: Society has been telling kids for years that "if you want to be successful, you NEED to go to college."
 
CSB:  my security class teaches buffer overrun exploitation and stack-smashing.  In a good year, I assign the students to hijack a buggy program with a return-to-libc attack, although this is a challenge as lab computers become progressively immune to it.

One year, a CS professor came by my office and asked, "what the Hell are you teaching my kids?  I'm trying to teach them a recursive algorithm, and one of them said, 'but prof Xcott said recursion is a security flaw!'"  RECORD SCRATCH.  Apparently some kid utterly failed to understand stack-smashing, but he was still able to make the vague connection that recursion-->function call-->stack-->something bad.
 The lesson:  there's always a bottom segment of the class who not only fails to learn, but actually picks up a dramatically false version of what you say.  They come out of an engineering class worse off, because they have learned anti-facts.  So we hear that "society" is telling these kids they need to go to college, and I am inclined to ask:  how do we really know they're really being told this?   Maybe they're being told something far more nuanced and sensible, and then they look up from their Facebook feed and think, "I missed that, but it was something about, like, 'go to college.'"


Yeah, this. It's really quite something, and it's not just kids who do it. I have had people repeat back to me things that I have supposedly said that were completely farking different from what I actually said and then expected me to explain it. Not idiots (necessarily). College-educated people. Many people don't farking listen. Or they only hear the bits they want to pay attention to, like that old Far Side comic about What Dogs Hear.
 
2013-03-08 07:55:34 PM

NightOwl2255: PumpkinCake: NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.


You need to homeschool.

AgentBang: NightOwl2255: AgentBang: This is one of the primary reasons why I doubt we'll continue to raise our child here once she starts going to school. Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school.

NYC schools, damn you scary.

Just don't home school.

Hell no. As much as it would break my heart, I'd rather move then my wife and I trying to home-school. We like to think we're smart, but that's what teachers are for. My experience with teaching is el-zilcho, so I'm only good enough to help with homework.

Looks like my "joke" fell flat. I have nothing against homeschooling. Every home-schooled child I know is doing very well, if not better, then non-home-schooled kids.
I was tying to make a small joke about this line "Unless I hit it big and can afford a public school." Which I assumed was a mistake and intended to say private, not public, school.


The home schooled kids I knew were academically okay in most subjects, but went on to have bat-shiat crazy trainwreck lives because they were raised in isolation by religious wackos that basically brainwashed them with the crazy and stunted their emotional and social development.

That being said, I don't take issue with every part of the homeschooling idea. I think homeschooling kids when they are younger, if you are not insane and a religious nutjob trying to make sure society doesn't contaminate the perfect god-bot you're trying to build is probably okay, as long as you are still finding ways for them to socialize with other children, through sports and hobbies and allow them to have friends.
 
2013-03-08 08:10:32 PM
Lol public schooling.....keep trying, libs
 
2013-03-08 08:14:06 PM

mentula: this is absolute, 100% pure rubbish. the ones entering CUNY community colleges need remedial help. the ones entering, say, ivy league schools, not so much.

part of the endless rightwing/media narrative bashing teachers in general and public education in particular.

full disclosure: i teach in a private school




You're a teacher? I really hope you don't teach English.
 
2013-03-08 08:18:39 PM
I live nowhere near New York, but can attest to the fact of kids being unable to read and write clearly.  My 13 year old stepson, bless his sweet lil heart, is less literate than I was at age 8 or 9 and I was no prodigy by any stretch of the term.  We make him write his own grocery lists and he's taken to drawing pictures (hieroglyphics, I call them) because we've had to ask him so many times what the fark he's asking for.  I've tried to encourage him to read, everything from Harry Potter to the Hunger Games to Ender's Game and on down the list, but he refuses.  Nothing but video games in his spare time.  His English scores are good, however, and seeing as how I've read some of his "writing" assignments, have surmised he is a victim of No Child Left Behind or perhaps just bad mid western genes.  His dad's not much better; never cracks a book but can decipher schematics of a furnace like he's channeling another power or something.  Both father and son are quite bright, but as a constant reader, (probably with more books than brains, truth be told) I weep for the future of humanity.  Only hope the kid gets into the military, or something in math, because his English skills are teh failz.
 
2013-03-08 10:05:14 PM
The day parents began protesting homework was the day our education system completely shiat the bed.
 
2013-03-08 11:41:18 PM
Makes perfect sense to me. Bloomberg knows the best way to build and maintain a fascist state is to make sure your peasan... err "citizens" are as uneducated as possible.
 
2013-03-09 01:36:42 AM
The way I figure it, politics shouldn't figure into this.  The kids can't read yet they're allowed to graduate high school.  Whoever allowed this should be fired.  if they don't meet the standards for being promoted to the next grade, don't promote them.  This alone should keep them from graduating until they can read.

The people of New York have teachers unions and their cronies in city hall for this situation.  New York public schools are also known for not being able to fire teachers.  They have teachers who have molested kids yet can't be fired.  On every day school is in session, they go to an office where they sit on their asses all day, watch tv, or whatever and get paid for it.
 
2013-03-09 08:20:02 AM
The national average for HS students entering college is that 60% need remedial math to start the college curriculum. Our remedial program starts at 6th grade math, and we have students flunking that class in record numbers.

/public university math tutor
 
2013-03-09 09:54:21 AM

Macular Degenerate: The national average for HS students entering college is that 60% need remedial math to start the college curriculum. Our remedial program starts at 6th grade math, and we have students flunking that class in record numbers.

/public university math tutor


CSB: got a 33 on the math portion of the ACT. Still placed into remedial math at a state university that accepted anyone over with a score over 19.

/TI-89 ftw
 
2013-03-09 11:51:50 AM

Xcott: aesirx: I think it's important to make a distinction between being able to, say, read Twilight, and being able to read a NYT article and argue against / for its points

Just look at all the people who read The Hunger Games and then got upset that the movie portrayed Rue as black.


That was a thing?

People campaign against the weirdest crap sometimes.
 
2013-03-11 12:10:46 AM

keypusher: LemSkroob: 80% of the children in NYC public schools are fresh off the boat. Big shock they arent doing so well on exams when this is the first time they've seen electricity and indoor plumbing.

Um, what?  Americans have the craziest ideas about what life in the rest of the world is like.


I've been to China, India, Pakistan, Ukraine, DR, PR, Haiti, Mexio, etc. I've seen what the rest of the world is like, and its a nightmare.
 
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