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(Politiken)   63 hit by Norovirus at world's best restaurant. A week before the Michelin stars are given. Let's hope the votes are in already   (politiken.dk) divider line 111
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2013-03-08 04:00:34 PM

rkiller1: FTFA: It added that there was no hot water in taps used by employees to wash their hands.

Denmark is a third-world country?  WTF?


Plumbing problem they immediately responded to....

On a side note, its only 200+ per person to eat there?  That's not even expensive.
 
2013-03-08 04:02:27 PM
www.ismellfeet.com

You'll kill someone, you stupid farking DONKEY!!!!
 
2013-03-08 04:04:47 PM
Why is it "the worlds best"? Because we are foodie snobs and we say so. Herp de derp.
I wonder how many billions of people have never eaten in a restaurant with a michelin star rating, and have also never gotten sick from eating out?

Prententious douchenozzles.
 
2013-03-08 04:07:00 PM
Approves! Five star rating by this Guy-
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-08 04:09:25 PM
I had Norovirus once.  I threw up about 50 times in one hour.  I ended up going to the hospital and getting knocked out with fentanyl.  Good times.
 
2013-03-08 04:09:50 PM
I have a few Chef friends, and they widely acknowledge that Noma is/was currently the best restaurant in the world. Even working/owning some of the top restaurants in the city (Toronto), and having worked around the world, they still swap stories about having staged/worked at Noma... sound like a bunch of old VFW's
 
2013-03-08 04:10:46 PM

jaytkay: The concept of "World's Best Restaurant" is retarded.

It's like claiming there exists an objective standard for "World's Most Beautiful Mountain" or "World's Best Song".


Has been seen at the "World's Best Restaurant."

static.frooition.com

/Woohoo, two Seinfeld references in one thread!
//Mandelbaum
///Mandelbaum
 
2013-03-08 04:11:04 PM

walkerhound: Noma?

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listphobia.com
 
2013-03-08 04:13:03 PM
Sick tag in the bathroom?
 
2013-03-08 04:13:45 PM
media.screened.com
 
2013-03-08 04:15:27 PM

kazikian: Man, how do you really decide on a world's best restaurant. When you get to the top hundred or so, what criteria do you use?


www.investorschronicle.co.uk

IF they put the whole lot in a bucket and offer wafer thin mints, you know it's fine dining.
 
2013-03-08 04:16:17 PM
I find it HILARIOUS that his restaurant menu is STILL up and running (what, two?) weeks later!

http://guysamericankitchenandbar.com/

Fark says "Too LARGE to embed"
(Same conclusion women probably come to after seeing his fat ass nekkid):
 
2013-03-08 04:28:39 PM
I would rather swallow a hobo's semen than get norovirus again.  The semen would only make me vomit once.
 
2013-03-08 04:29:34 PM
Norovirus: the sickness so bad that it inspires survivor's threads whenever it shows up in the news.

/for good reason
 
2013-03-08 04:31:42 PM
In an unrelated note...  Why is there a Hello Kitty in the Pep Boys ad on the right?  Never seen that before.
 
2013-03-08 04:36:35 PM
...there was no hot water in taps used by employees to wash their hands.

Let me repeat that about the world's best restaurant.

...there was no hot water in taps used by employees to wash their hands.

Yeah. Nuff said.

The owners should be sued for everything. You should provide alcohol wipes, anti-bacterial soaps, gloves even masks. BUT you always provide hot water to wash in. This is just attempted murder due to greed.
 
2013-03-08 04:36:37 PM
.....and such small portions.
 
2013-03-08 04:40:19 PM

Cagey B: Norovirus: the sickness so bad that it inspires survivor's threads whenever it shows up in the news.

/for good reason


Goddamn right. Hell is sickness. The worst thing about the norovirus, in my opinion, is the crippling nausea. I hate nausea; there's nothing more incapacitating. Laid me low for two miserable days. Couldn't stand. Couldn't sit up. Couldn't move. (Well, except to grab the trash can and/or rush off to the bathroom.) That was nightmarish. 

Everything else? Easily dealt with, provided there's a small trash can in the bathroom.

/I couldn't even roll on my side without feeling like I was going to vomit
//Which was actually pleasant in comparison
///Because it suppressed the nausea for a time
 
2013-03-08 04:41:31 PM
For all that Michelin & Zagat employ 'experts', ultimately their ratings are subjective, and (at least in the case of Zagat,
reportedly) open to extra influence (IE, bribery) by enterprising restauranteurs who identify their supposedly secret
investigators.

Oddly, I'd almost more weight to a crowd-sourced reviews, though those are susceptible to dishonest padding and
reviewers with axes to grind.
 
2013-03-08 04:43:26 PM

jaytkay: "World's Best Song"


That's easy.
 
2013-03-08 04:43:26 PM

jaytkay: The concept of "World's Best Restaurant" is retarded.

It's like claiming there exists an objective standard for "World's Most Beautiful Mountain" or "World's Best Song".


Freebird!!!

Actually, I agree with everything you said.  People should at least qualify statements like that with "one of the world's best..."
 
2013-03-08 04:46:38 PM
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2013-03-08 04:52:17 PM

whistleridge: Um...it's only a 2-star to begin with, according to the article. Either that is an error, or the people who decide 'world's best' rankings are  reallywilling to disregard Michelin ratings?


In 2005 the distribution of stars by country was as follows.

.

Country3 stars2 stars 1 starTotal Stars Austria044856Belgium31279112Luxembourg021014Netherlands276484Czech Republic0000Denmark01911Finland0124France2670402620Germany614166212G reece0033Hungary0000Ireland0215Italy423197255Norway0146Poland0000Portu gal0168Spain41091123Sweden0179Switzerland21480114United Kingdom310201230
Best restaurant in Denmark as there was only one 2 star restaurant there??
 
2013-03-08 04:52:55 PM

jamspoon: Austria044856Belgium31279112Luxembourg021014Netherlands276484Czech Republic0000Denmark01911Finland0124France2670402620Germany614166212G reece0033Hungary0000Ireland0215Italy423197255Norway0146Poland0000Portu gal0168Spain41091123Sweden0179Switzerland21480114United Kingdom310201230
Best restaurant in Denmark as there was only one 2 star restaurant there??


That looked better in preview!!
 
2013-03-08 04:56:32 PM
"FTFA: It added that there was no hot water in taps used by employees to wash their hands.

Denmark is a third-world country?  WTF?


Pilot light probably blew out on their hot water heater and they were to lazy to re-light it.  Happens to me at home all the time.  But I then go re-light it."

The employees were probably too stoned or lazy to care- restaurants are potentially gross.

                                                                            MUST READ!

CSB: In the early 70's I worked at a VERY highly regarded, high-end Italian restaurant in Orange County CA as a teen (Fullerton, 1972 to be exact); the "head chef" was a (retired) ex-"weatherground" terrorist (still on the lam from some building he helped blow up in the 60's) who was one VERY sick puppy. Nice guy otherwise. Our restaurant was infested by mice- he used to throw them in the pizza ovens "to watch them dance" (until their legs were gone) and had "prepared and served" numerous mice dishes (breaded, boiled, flambéed, roasted) with fancy pasta and sauces and made a show of "serving them" to our mousy manager to try out on a (seemed like almost daily) weekly basis. Lucille... She was SO ditzy she honestly appeared to fall for it, week after week; month after month (although someone would always stop her prior to taking a bite) Hilarity usually ensued (after her incessant screaming and fit-throwing)

The obvious (and common) "dropping the steak" on that dirty (mouse and roach infested) kitchen floor and throwing it back on the plate to serve, or cockroachbodies and/or mice poop in the raw foodstuffs, dirty dishes/utensils, "aged" mayo or improperly refrigerated foods was/is a common occurrence there, and I assume(d) everywhere. Never mind who was washing their hands! They had great food 99% of the time, but whenever I eat a restaurant I always keep in mind that it's a bit dicey when it comes to true cleanliness.

We had MANY a celebrity and a highly regarded ranking and reputation (must have paid off the food inspectors or something). We had a "celebrity" owner of Sicilian descent (I used to call him my own Don) and were quite the happening nightspot. He had a modern dance studio next door with some VERY HOT chicks (oddly, the owner was the only straight "dancer" I ever met- very masculine and those gorgeous women just thronged to him- innumerable wild "after closing parties" were had there, my friends... good times...good times...

At the same time, eating off little taqueria wagons and small restaurants in Mexico in the early 70's helped me considerably on my hygiene or "WTF is this" issues... if it tastes good, don't ask questions. That's how I was introduced to brains, stomach lining, goats head, cat, dog and horsemeat (none of which I would have willingly eaten had I known). Nothing wrong with goats head or brains or tripe, but I figure there's enough foods out there that I can pass on some (same goes for escargot, testicles, etc you get it-.)

The worst "willingly" consumed thing I EVER ate was baalut (balute?)- a fancy Filipino dish in recognition of our new IT H-1 visa recruits from the Philippines. Had me eating that damn fertilized egg (pretty much a fully developed chicken inn the egg, with chewy, crunchy little bones, etc.)  Never did understand how people enjoyed eating sardines either.Gross-

So, a little Norovirus and unwashed hands? Meh- shiat happens (chuckle)

/end of CSB  I used to be pretty cool back in the day
 
2013-03-08 05:09:59 PM
My wife and I got norovirus at the same time - on a vacation no less - last year. (No, we weren't in Mexico, just staying at a friend's beach house.)

It was basically exactly like that scene from Bridesmaids. Taking turns shiatting and vomiting often at the same time, on the single toilet in our room. At one point stuff was leaking onto the floor of the bathroom.

It was pretty intensely awful.

Bonus points, we had just found out my wife was pregnant and two other people got sick. Not a proud moment.
 
2013-03-08 05:10:23 PM
FTFA: "A kitchen assistant had been ill with vomiting on the evening of February 15, after having produced food at the restaurant during the day. The assistant informed the restaurant of the fact by e-mail that evening. "

Hey, dummy. Pick up the phone and call next time. Many people are too busy doing shiat to obsessively check their email.
 
2013-03-08 05:13:51 PM
Never, ever, ever again.

Ceaseless toilet fun while violently vomiting into a bucket. Wanting to die.

Really wanting to die.
 
2013-03-08 05:16:50 PM

findthefish: .....and such small portions.


Catskills humor always works for me.
 
2013-03-08 05:21:41 PM
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2013-03-08 05:23:15 PM
As I can only imagine someone else has responded, it's Restaurant Magazine that ranks restaurants from 1-100, and those rankings come out in March. Michelin's rankings (one-two-three star and bib gourmand) usually come out toward the end of the year.
 
2013-03-08 05:29:09 PM
If any of you are wondering what all the fuss is about and why Noma is considered the best restaurant in the world:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty5BVM_ObEQ
 
2013-03-08 05:35:09 PM

Evilhippie: If any of you are wondering what all the fuss is about and why Noma is considered the best restaurant in the world:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty5BVM_ObEQ


Pffft.  I didn't see even one bottomless basket of breadsticks.
 
2013-03-08 05:35:20 PM

Warthog: Fuggin Bizzy: There's a "World's Best" restaurant now?


There's been a world's best restaurant for a while.  I think there even competing lists.  When we went on our honeymoon to Europe in 2005, the "World's Best Restaurant" was the Fat Duck in Bray, outside of London.  We couldn't get a table.  But we were able to get a table at Alain Roux's Waterside Inn, which also had three Michelin stars and happened to be just down the block from the Fat Duck.  Interestingly, this led to a number of compare-and-contrast reviews, and most commentators found the Waterside Inn to be better than the Fat Duck.  How a restaurant could be better than the best restaurant in the world kinda made my head asplode, but whatever.

To this day it remains the best meal I've ever eaten.  And at almost 300 GBP for two people, I'd hope so.



There are multiple lists, but the definitive list is the Restaurant Magazine Top 50 (whose rankings are released in March). It's the list most referred to when considering restaurant rankings, and the one which Noma has been at the top of for I think three years. I think the balloting is somewhat like the MLB hall of fame - there are a large number of critics who eat at X amount of restaurants and then rank them, and the restaurant with the highest aggregate vote total is #1, etc.My opinion as to the reason why Fat Duck slipped is the super showy presentation dragged it down (true story, a friend went there and during a course which was sea scallops part of the presentation was an ipod shuffle to listen to sounds of the ocean). I expect Eleven Madison Park to tumble out of the top 10 this year for the same reason.
 
Slu
2013-03-08 05:37:21 PM

Evilhippie: If any of you are wondering what all the fuss is about and why Noma is considered the best restaurant in the world:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty5BVM_ObEQ


24 Minutes? No way.
 
2013-03-08 05:39:34 PM
More about the Top 50 and the selection process. Apparently the new list drops April 29. http://www.finedininglovers.com/tag/50-best-restaurants/
 
2013-03-08 05:39:46 PM

Pangea: show me: There are only 11 Michelin 3-starred restaurants in the US, and 106 in the world.


That range is seems far too narrow to be useful. I say Suck It to that range.


They don't rank every restaurant. To be on the Michelin list at all implies the place is great to dine at. The star rating is merely to separate out an already fairly exclusive list.
 
2013-03-08 05:46:38 PM

blatz514: jaytkay: The concept of "World's Best Restaurant" is retarded.

It's like claiming there exists an objective standard for "World's Most Beautiful Mountain" or "World's Best Song".

Has been seen at the "World's Best Restaurant."

[static.frooition.com image 400x400]

/Woohoo, two Seinfeld references in one thread!
//Mandelbaum
///Mandelbaum


You think that  youare the #1 dad?
 
2013-03-08 05:52:25 PM
Slu:

24 Minutes? No way.

I suppose some things can't be explained in a 15 second sound bite. Some times a little more depth is welcome.
 
2013-03-08 06:20:24 PM

blatz514: I found a pic of the chef...

[xraydelta.files.wordpress.com image 278x381]


Came in looking for Poppy and there he is...
 
2013-03-08 06:31:09 PM

Ehh: If Denmark had real healthcare instead of socialized medicine, that sick kitchen worker would have arrived at a free-market solution that would have worked to everyone's benefit.


OR (from RTFA) if his farking boss had given a shiat that the guy was sick and let him go home, this would not have happened.
 
2013-03-08 06:41:33 PM

whistleridge: Um...it's only a 2-star to begin with, according to the article. Either that is an error, or the people who decide 'world's best' rankings are  reallywilling to disregard Michelin ratings?


Michelin stars only tell you how well a restaurant does a particular style of rather old-fashioned French cooking.
 
2013-03-08 06:46:58 PM
The French Laundry is he Best Restaurant in the world.  That is all.
 
2013-03-08 06:48:11 PM

ArtosRC: Cagey B: Norovirus: the sickness so bad that it inspires survivor's threads whenever it shows up in the news.

/for good reason

Goddamn right. Hell is sickness. The worst thing about the norovirus, in my opinion, is the crippling nausea. I hate nausea; there's nothing more incapacitating. Laid me low for two miserable days. Couldn't stand. Couldn't sit up. Couldn't move. (Well, except to grab the trash can and/or rush off to the bathroom.) That was nightmarish. 

Everything else? Easily dealt with, provided there's a small trash can in the bathroom.

/I couldn't even roll on my side without feeling like I was going to vomit
//Which was actually pleasant in comparison
///Because it suppressed the nausea for a time


shiat, man. Try ulcerative colitis. It's like that, only every day! Forever! (or until the surgery as in my case - it's the only illness that gives you a choice of miseries: hell or colostomy bag)
 
Slu
2013-03-08 06:56:57 PM

Evilhippie: Slu:

24 Minutes? No way.

I suppose some things can't be explained in a 15 second sound bite. Some times a little more depth is welcome.


Agreed. But I don't think "The World's Best Restaurant" is one of those things that needs 24 minutes of depth.
 
2013-03-08 06:57:15 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: There's a "World's Best" restaurant now?

/I had some "World's Best" chocolate a co-worker was selling to raise money for kids soccer. It was alright.


You know, the chocolate company was once owned by Frank World and he used a recipe from his daughter Martha Best.
 
2013-03-08 06:59:21 PM
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Snickers
 
2013-03-08 07:08:22 PM

Evilhippie: If any of you are wondering what all the fuss is about and why Noma is considered the best restaurant in the world:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty5BVM_ObEQ


"How do people react when you serve them, for example, moss, moss on a plate. They've waited months and paid hundreds of dollars..."

That interviewer tried to make that intveriew into 'hard news'.  Odd video.
 
2013-03-08 07:16:35 PM

orbister: whistleridge: Um...it's only a 2-star to begin with, according to the article. Either that is an error, or the people who decide 'world's best' rankings are  reallywilling to disregard Michelin ratings?

Michelin stars only tell you how well a restaurant does a particular style of rather old-fashioned French cooking.


This is 100% false. There are sushi restaurants on the Michelin list.  The restaurant merely has to be exceptional in its genre.  Also, why the list is so limited is that Michelin only rates the food capitals of the world - in the US, they rate San Francisco Bay Area, NYC, and Chicago.  No LA, Vegas, Boston, Miami, etc.

The Restaurant Magazine list (which is who RANKS the restaurants) has no such restrictions.

There's also a kind of fun list in the new Tim Ferriss book, where he uses some weighting of Yelp reviews to determine the best 25 in the nation at each star level.
 
2013-03-08 07:35:40 PM

kicker_conspiracy: orbister: whistleridge: Um...it's only a 2-star to begin with, according to the article. Either that is an error, or the people who decide 'world's best' rankings are  reallywilling to disregard Michelin ratings?

Michelin stars only tell you how well a restaurant does a particular style of rather old-fashioned French cooking.

This is 100% false. There are sushi restaurants on the Michelin list.  The restaurant merely has to be exceptional in its genre.  Also, why the list is so limited is that Michelin only rates the food capitals of the world - in the US, they rate San Francisco Bay Area, NYC, and Chicago.  No LA, Vegas, Boston, Miami, etc.

The Restaurant Magazine list (which is who RANKS the restaurants) has no such restrictions.

There's also a kind of fun list in the new Tim Ferriss book, where he uses some weighting of Yelp reviews to determine the best 25 in the nation at each star level.


...and either way, if there are 106 places on Earth that have a higher rating, then either:

1. the ratings system isn't very good
2. the 'best' appellation is arbitrary
3. both
 
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