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2013-03-08 11:50:56 AM  
Best one-pitch pitcher ever?
 
2013-03-08 11:52:59 AM  
Hey, good to know that Jackie Robinson's number will finally be properly retired.
 
2013-03-08 12:02:21 PM  
It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.
 
2013-03-08 12:02:55 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Best one-pitch pitcher ever?


I think that'd still be Walter Johnson, but Mo is definitely up there.
 
2013-03-08 12:05:11 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Best one-pitch pitcher ever?


The AC/DC of pitchers
 
2013-03-08 12:10:30 PM  

Arkanaut: HaywoodJablonski: Best one-pitch pitcher ever?

I think that'd still be Walter Johnson, but Mo is definitely up there.


Damn - beat me to it, was going to post this:


i115.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-08 12:10:32 PM  
Heard this interesting stat this morning:

Mo has pitched 180 postseason innings. He's allowed only 11 different men to score a run on him.

That's 1 fewer than the number of men to have walked on the moon.

Even this Yankee hater will call him the GOAT.

/And my team is still responsible for his only blown postseason save
 
2013-03-08 12:15:02 PM  
What is the over/under for Yankee wins this year?
 
2013-03-08 12:21:21 PM  

Broktun: What is the over/under for Yankee wins this year?


I have no idea what Vegas says, but I'd set it at 84 wins. They're entering a down period, but they're still the Yankees and therefore have more resources than most to address the roster as the season progresses. Also they do get at least some of Tex and the Grandyman's (new late-night detective drama?) production back later in the season.
 
2013-03-08 12:25:22 PM  

Cagey B: Broktun: What is the over/under for Yankee wins this year?

I have no idea what Vegas says, but I'd set it at 84 wins. They're entering a down period, but they're still the Yankees and therefore have more resources than most to address the roster as the season progresses. Also they do get at least some of Tex and the Grandyman's (new late-night detective drama?) production back later in the season.


I, for one, would watch the HELL out of Tex and the Grandyman.
 
2013-03-08 12:26:07 PM  

Cagey B: Broktun: What is the over/under for Yankee wins this year?

I have no idea what Vegas says, but I'd set it at 84 wins. They're entering a down period, but they're still the Yankees and therefore have more resources than most to address the roster as the season progresses. Also they do get at least some of Tex and the Grandyman's (new late-night detective drama?) production back later in the season.


I was going to say 82.

Tex's injury is going to be harder to come back from than a broken arm.
 
2013-03-08 12:37:16 PM  

desertgeek: He's allowed only 11 different men to score a run on him.



it pisses me off to this day that Gonzo gets all the love for his 92' nibbler over a drawn-in 2, when the mighty and feared Tony Womack doubled off Mo to start that whole sequence.

/csb:  about 2-3 weeks after Game 7, there was a 10K that finished in BOB, with the finish line at about the pitchers' mound (the last 1/2 miles was basically, run around BOB, enter the stadium through the center field fence, finish at the pitcher's mound).  On the finish, I ran to about where the ball hit and punched the ground.
///ok, really not a CSB but still.
 
2013-03-08 12:47:03 PM  

rickythepenguin: it pisses me off to this day that Gonzo gets all the love for his 92' nibbler over a drawn-in 2, when the mighty and feared Tony Womack doubled off Mo to start that whole sequence.


In just about any dramatic sports situation, no one ever remembers the setup.
 
2013-03-08 12:48:27 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Best one-pitch pitcher ever?


Yeah, but I read an article (with an excellent animated infographic) on Mo Rivera about how unpredictable that "one pitch" is.  NY Times I believe.  It was awhile ago, too lazy to google it, if its even still online.
 
2013-03-08 12:52:33 PM  

The Bestest: In just about any dramatic sports situation, no one ever remembers the setup.



i know.  it was just a remarkable sequence, and it wasn't like anybody was terrified of Tony Womack.  All he did was double down first base side, i think tying the game, and advancing Bell to 3rd, which forced Torre to bring in the infield.

i always liked him. somewhere, i have a beanie baby (SHUTUP!) with a "Womack" jersey. it was my good luck charm for games throughout 2000 and 2001.  love that guy.
 
2013-03-08 12:52:57 PM  

The Bestest: rickythepenguin: it pisses me off to this day that Gonzo gets all the love for his 92' nibbler over a drawn-in 2, when the mighty and feared Tony Womack doubled off Mo to start that whole sequence.

In just about any dramatic sports situation, no one ever remembers the setup.


Yep... just like many baseball fans still think the following were essentially world series/playoff series ending moments:

Don Denkinger's fark up in 1985
Bill Buckner's error
The Bartman game

...in each situation the team that benefited still had to go out and win game 7 the following day.
 
2013-03-08 12:54:25 PM  

downstairs: HaywoodJablonski: Best one-pitch pitcher ever?

Yeah, but I read an article (with an excellent animated infographic) on Mo Rivera about how unpredictable that "one pitch" is.  NY Times I believe.  It was awhile ago, too lazy to google it, if its even still online.


here you go
 
2013-03-08 12:56:27 PM  

Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.


I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.
 
2013-03-08 12:57:10 PM  

downstairs: Yep... just like many baseball fans still think the following were essentially world series/playoff series ending moments:

Don Denkinger's fark up in 1985
Bill Buckner's error
The Bartman game

...in each situation the team that benefited still had to go out and win game 7 the following day.


You left off Fisk's home run.  Although Boston lost Game 7.
 
2013-03-08 12:59:49 PM  
Good for him.  Got to see Trevor Hoffman's final years, it was neat.
 
2013-03-08 01:01:59 PM  
The Yankees? I honestly was unaware they still had a team.
 
2013-03-08 01:02:10 PM  

Rex_Banner: I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.


i saw him at old yankee stadium.  i thnk Clemens started and Mo mopped up.  Twins.
 
2013-03-08 01:03:42 PM  

desertgeek: /And my team is still responsible for his only blown postseason save


He blew a save in the 1997 ALDS (his first playoff series as a closer) and....... there was also that year that never happened. But 2001 was his only postseason LOSS
 
2013-03-08 01:05:30 PM  

The Bestest: rickythepenguin: it pisses me off to this day that Gonzo gets all the love for his 92' nibbler over a drawn-in 2, when the mighty and feared Tony Womack doubled off Mo to start that whole sequence.

In just about any dramatic sports situation, no one ever remembers the setup.


Yeah, that's why Buckner's error is nearly legendary while few people remember Calvin Schiraldi.
 
2013-03-08 01:09:28 PM  

rickythepenguin: Rex_Banner: I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

i saw him at old yankee stadium.  i thnk Clemens started and Mo mopped up.  Twins.


Seeing him jog out to the mound with "Enter Sandman" blaring is an awesome experience.
 
2013-03-08 01:13:28 PM  

Rex_Banner: Seeing him jog out to the mound with "Enter Sandman" blaring is an awesome experience.


Huh.  i was right.

5/19/02

Clemens (7-2) moved past Hall of Famer Robin Roberts and matched Blyleven for 22nd place on baseball's all-time victory list.....Mariano Rivera pitched the ninth for his 13th save, completing the combined five-hitter and the first shutout against the Twins this season.
 
2013-03-08 01:13:31 PM  

Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.


Just curious, but in what way?  Seems a bit overboard on the praise for a closer.  He's definitely the best ever, but I'm in the camp that says the position is overrated to begin with.
 
2013-03-08 01:14:22 PM  
desertgeek:

/And my team is still responsible for his only blown postseason save

he had 5 blown saves in the playoffs.... only 1 loss.
 
2013-03-08 01:17:57 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Just curious, but in what way?  Seems a bit overboard on the praise for a closer.  He's definitely the best ever, but I'm in the camp that says the position is overrated to begin with.


Don't think of him as a closer. Treat him as you would any other pitcher, but look as his numbers compared to innings pitched.
 
2013-03-08 01:21:01 PM  

Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.


I'd say Cal Ripken as well.
 
2013-03-08 01:24:40 PM  

downstairs: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

I'd say Cal Ripken as well.


Ricky Henderson.
 
2013-03-08 01:30:27 PM  

Cagey B: downstairs: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

I'd say Cal Ripken as well.

Ricky Henderson.


Bo

/let's see if rivera's knee holds up
 
2013-03-08 01:33:40 PM  

Arkanaut: HaywoodJablonski: Best one-pitch pitcher ever?

I think that'd still be Walter Johnson, but Mo is definitely up there.


That's pretty much it.  Difference being Walter pitched every 3rd day and pitched the whole game (usually) where as Mo went 1 inning.  But both only needed to throw one pitch and were dominant with it, which sets them apart from any other pitcher in the history of the game.

Nothing lasts forever, but as a dyed-in-the-wool Yankee fan I can say I was blessed with watching two guys who were the best at their position playing their entire career with the pinstripes: Jeter and Mo.
 
2013-03-08 01:34:20 PM  

The Bestest: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Just curious, but in what way?  Seems a bit overboard on the praise for a closer.  He's definitely the best ever, but I'm in the camp that says the position is overrated to begin with.

Don't think of him as a closer. Treat him as you would any other pitcher, but look as his numbers compared to innings pitched.


You can't just ignore the closer part of it.  It's not like we can just project the same numbers over a 200 inning season had he been a starter.
 
2013-03-08 01:35:37 PM  

desertgeek: Heard this interesting stat this morning:

Mo has pitched 180 postseason innings. He's allowed only 11 different men to score a run on him.

That's 1 fewer than the number of men to have walked on the moon.


Heard that on Mike and Mike this AM; un. freakin'. real.
 
2013-03-08 01:40:46 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

Just curious, but in what way? Seems a bit overboard on the praise for a closer. He's definitely the best ever, but I'm in the camp that says the position is overrated to begin with.


I think closers are a little overrated, too. Mo's just on a completely different level. The way he's perfected that cutter, and the fact that he's done it for so long at such a high level..... it's amazing. Take a look at the link that The Bestest posted. Great stuff.
 
2013-03-08 01:47:58 PM  

Rex_Banner: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

Just curious, but in what way? Seems a bit overboard on the praise for a closer. He's definitely the best ever, but I'm in the camp that says the position is overrated to begin with.

I think closers are a little overrated, too. Mo's just on a completely different level. The way he's perfected that cutter, and the fact that he's done it for so long at such a high level..... it's amazing. Take a look at the link that The Bestest posted. Great stuff.


That's fair.  I just wasn't sure what you meant by him being the "only" athlete you feel privileged to have watched.  He's definitely the best at his position, but I can easily find a number of other athletes across sports that I've been lucky enough to have seen in their prime.  He'd probably be a bit further down my list.
 
2013-03-08 02:02:41 PM  
well, my WBC submission went red.

Italy and Canada about to start
 
2013-03-08 02:03:09 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Rex_Banner: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

Just curious, but in what way? Seems a bit overboard on the praise for a closer. He's definitely the best ever, but I'm in the camp that says the position is overrated to begin with.

I think closers are a little overrated, too. Mo's just on a completely different level. The way he's perfected that cutter, and the fact that he's done it for so long at such a high level..... it's amazing. Take a look at the link that The Bestest posted. Great stuff.

That's fair.  I just wasn't sure what you meant by him being the "only" athlete you feel privileged to have watched.  He's definitely the best at his position, but I can easily find a number of other athletes across sports that I've been lucky enough to have seen in their prime.  He'd probably be a bit further down my list.


Yeah, it's a personal preference thing. I wasn't trying to say that he's the greatest pitcher ever. I think he's the greatest RELIEVER ever, but not the greatest pitcher.
 
2013-03-08 02:15:42 PM  

Rex_Banner: rickythepenguin: Rex_Banner: I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

i saw him at old yankee stadium.  i thnk Clemens started and Mo mopped up.  Twins.

Seeing him jog out to the mound with "Enter Sandman" blaring is an awesome experience.


I would love to see the Yankees hire Metallica to play "Enter Sandman" live in the "black seat" area when he trots out to the mound for the last time.
 
2013-03-08 02:17:35 PM  

downstairs: The Bestest: rickythepenguin: it pisses me off to this day that Gonzo gets all the love for his 92' nibbler over a drawn-in 2, when the mighty and feared Tony Womack doubled off Mo to start that whole sequence.

In just about any dramatic sports situation, no one ever remembers the setup.

Yep... just like many baseball fans still think the following were essentially world series/playoff series ending moments:

Don Denkinger's fark up in 1985
Bill Buckner's error
The Bartman game

...in each situation the team that benefited still had to go out and win game 7 the following day.


Kinda like how The Miracle on Ice game wasn't for the gold medal (the US beat Finland for the gold in the next game). In hindsight, people ascribe greater importance to the memorable moment.
 
2013-03-08 02:20:03 PM  

JJRRutgers: Rex_Banner: rickythepenguin: Rex_Banner: I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

i saw him at old yankee stadium.  i thnk Clemens started and Mo mopped up.  Twins.

Seeing him jog out to the mound with "Enter Sandman" blaring is an awesome experience.

I would love to see the Yankees hire Metallica to play "Enter Sandman" live in the "black seat" area when he trots out to the mound for the last time.


I take it you are unaware of how awful Metallica has sounded live for the last 15ish years.
 
2013-03-08 02:30:57 PM  

drworm: desertgeek:

/And my team is still responsible for his only blown postseason save

he had 5 blown saves in the playoffs.... only 1 loss.


Yeah, I mixed it up. Again. I always do that. *headesk*

Arkanaut: The Bestest: rickythepenguin: it pisses me off to this day that Gonzo gets all the love for his 92' nibbler over a drawn-in 2, when the mighty and feared Tony Womack doubled off Mo to start that whole sequence.

In just about any dramatic sports situation, no one ever remembers the setup.

Yeah, that's why Buckner's error is nearly legendary while few people remember Calvin Schiraldi.


This. The whole sequence was memorable, but Gonzo's blooper over Jeter's head will always get the replays.
 
2013-03-08 02:53:58 PM  

Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.


Yup. I hope we can get Ichiro in the mound and Rivera in the outfield for at least an inning or even part of an inning at some point this year.

And yes, I'm serious.
 
2013-03-08 02:56:56 PM  

Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.


He's on a short list for me, along with Rickey Henderson and Ichiro in his prime.
 
2013-03-08 03:12:28 PM  
Italy up 5-1 over Canada in the third
 
das
2013-03-08 03:22:20 PM  

MFAWG: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

He's on a short list for me, along with Rickey Henderson and Ichiro in his prime.


I'll throw Pops out here, too.  #8
 
2013-03-08 03:28:34 PM  

das: MFAWG: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

He's on a short list for me, along with Rickey Henderson and Ichiro in his prime.

I'll throw Pops out here, too.  #8


I'll buy that, but I think the whole thing was a tad overblown. The Streak seemed to be hurting the team sometimes.

To be fair, the same could be said about Ichiro and his attempt to keep getting 200 hits, particularly in 2010 and 2011
 
2013-03-08 03:43:49 PM  

MFAWG: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

Yup. I hope we can get Ichiro in the mound and Rivera in the outfield for at least an inning or even part of an inning at some point this year.

And yes, I'm serious.


As long as he doesn't change his mind mid-season and cancels his retirement plans, and if the Yankees aren't in playoff contention in September (a possibility, sadly), you can count on seeing Mo in the outfield.

Ichiro pitching... I dunno.
 
2013-03-08 03:50:19 PM  

TheOther: Cagey B: downstairs: Rex_Banner: Richard Sauce: It was a wonderful gift to witness his career.

I think that Mariano Rivera is the only athlete that I truly feel privileged to have watched.

I'd say Cal Ripken as well.

Ricky Henderson.

Bo



Bo was great to watch.  Do yourself a favor and go watch some Earl Campbell highlights on youtube.  Especially the Texas clips.  I know, college is not the pinnacle of talent, but holy hell you want to talk about a freakish talent making everybody else on the field look like kids.  I don't think I've ever seen a man that large (and back then he was leaner and had all his flexibility before his body started to wear down) move that fast, that quickly on a football field.
 
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