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2013-03-08 12:27:15 PM
Huh, never thought that money would work as an incentive for something.
 
2013-03-08 12:27:25 PM
They are only going to spend it on food.
 
2013-03-08 12:28:53 PM
weknowmemes.com
I'll even PAY you!
 
2013-03-08 12:28:55 PM
i301.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-08 12:29:24 PM
Did researchers just contrive a situation where people are paid to use meth or coke?
 
2013-03-08 12:30:00 PM
Interesting use of reward mechanism incentive, but it kind of highlights the problem rather than offering an actual solution.  Smoking is great for weight loss, too, if you're just going to spend money to assuage the human need to have the brain's reward centers activated.  Or meth.
 
2013-03-08 12:30:11 PM
But all those infomercials on PBS tell me that dietary supplements work.

I hate PBS now. Actually, my TV is tuned to PBS right now. It's not an infomercial though. It's CCTV (China's state run news agency). They're only slightly less biased than Fox News.
 
2013-03-08 12:30:15 PM

Solid State Vittles: Huh, never thought that money would work as an incentive for something.


userserve-ak.last.fm

Everybody's got a price.
 
2013-03-08 12:30:59 PM
they are effective, peopel just aren't motivated to do it.
 
2013-03-08 12:31:38 PM
Breaking News: Healthy food costs more than junk food.  More at 10.
 
2013-03-08 12:35:04 PM
See you fat bastards. Don't try and pull that "I've tried everything" crap. Stop stuffing your farking pie-hole for a few minutes a day and maybe you wouldn't be a blob.
 
2013-03-08 12:35:19 PM
www.skeptically.org
"I could have told you that."
 
2013-03-08 12:35:47 PM
BULLETIN:
"Eat stuff that comes from trees or from the ground."

BIG MACS DO NOT GROW ON TREES OR SPROUT UP FROM STALKS.


cdn.pophangover.com
 
2013-03-08 12:36:19 PM
Not buying food is like paying yourself to starve.
 
2013-03-08 12:37:19 PM

abhorrent1: See you fat bastards. Don't try and pull that "I've tried everything" crap. Stop stuffing your farking pie-hole for a few minutes a day and maybe you wouldn't be a blob.


Pay me or SFTU.
 
2013-03-08 12:37:40 PM

nutkick_42: Breaking News: Healthy food costs more than junk food.  More at 10.


Breaking news: Eating less costs less than eating more, regardless of what you are eating.
 
2013-03-08 12:38:46 PM
Apparently people's addiction to money is greater than the addiction to pharmaceutical grade ingredients...

/lost 30lbs in the last month from fasting on fresh, home made juice blend
//yes not eating works... just make sure your body is getting healthy nutrition
 
2013-03-08 12:43:20 PM
Somehow $20 doesn't feel like it'd motivate me enough.

I wonder which is the more effective approach: offering money for positive results, "taxing" people for no results, or a combination.

In the end, maybe this study just shows that having some sort of external motivator helps. Like having a gym buddy. It's hard(er) to just motivate yourself compared to having some sort of reinforcing person/mechanism.
 
2013-03-08 12:43:57 PM
Money >$19.99/lb or guarantees of secks with Jessica Biel or a reasonable facsimile would absolutely motivate me.
 
2013-03-08 12:44:28 PM
Was this article culled form "Duh Weekly" or "No shiat Sherlock Journal"?

People are fat because they eat.

/1% of them have a medical issue, sure, but 99% of them don't, so mock the fat based solely on statistics.
 
2013-03-08 12:45:55 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: nutkick_42: Breaking News: Healthy food costs more than junk food.  More at 10.

Breaking news: Eating less costs less than eating more, regardless of what you are eating.


Somebody's never been to Sam's Club/Costco.
 
2013-03-08 12:46:55 PM

ChipNASA: BULLETIN:
"Eat stuff that comes from trees or from the ground."

BIG MACS DO NOT GROW ON TREES OR SPROUT UP FROM STALKS.


[cdn.pophangover.com image 575x473]


i105.photobucket.com

Your move, health-nuts.
 
2013-03-08 12:47:18 PM

CeroX: /lost 30lbs in the last month


That sounds healthy.
 
2013-03-08 12:49:32 PM
It's not rocket science.  If you weigh too much, eat less.
 
2013-03-08 12:50:15 PM
Eh, I'm skeptical.  Getting paid to be skinny already exists, it's called being a woman, and yet still statistically 2/3rds of them are all hambeasts to some degree anyway

/inb4 "but mah bodybuilders bmi..."
 
2013-03-08 12:54:59 PM

nutkick_42: Breaking News: Healthy food costs more than junk food.  More at 10.


You're doing it wrong.
 
2013-03-08 12:58:12 PM

ChipNASA: BULLETIN:
"Eat stuff that comes from trees or from the ground."

BIG MACS DO NOT GROW ON TREES OR SPROUT UP FROM STALKS.


[cdn.pophangover.com image 575x473]


www.reactionface.info

/Hot.
//As in, my link is hot.
 
2013-03-08 12:58:18 PM
This is why most stars are skinny.  If being skinny is your job, you will find the motivation to take care of it, most of the time.

I think my minimum price for weight loss would have to be on the scale of a few hundred a month at least.  At least on the order of a part time job.  $20 a month, would NOT motivate me... though, oddly enough, avoiding the $20 penalty for not making my goal might motivate me a bit.  Mostly, though I think it would just motivate me not to participate in the study.

/yes, I sound fat
 
2013-03-08 01:00:41 PM

Smeggy Smurf: nutkick_42: Breaking News: Healthy food costs more than junk food.  More at 10.

You're doing it wrong.


Amen. I have discovered that glass jars with those plastic sprouting lids are a cheap source of fresh sprouts. You can also use a colander with a cover to sprout in. Lots of stuff around the house can be used to sprout in.

I can make fermented cabbage and other vegetables--some you can't buy at any price--dirt cheap.

I can bake my own bread for next to nothing--I'm not sure it's as fortified as commercial bread (and maybe that's a good thing).

Room temperature yogurt and other tasty items can be made very cheap.
 
2013-03-08 01:08:16 PM
If money were that much of a motivator, nobody would smoke cigarettes anymore either.

/i'm in the you'd have to pay me more than 20$ club.
 
2013-03-08 01:09:36 PM
Face it gang, on some level this is absolutely horrifying. Due to corporate programming, our society has been brainwashed to see currency as more important than our own health. They had already gotten the belief pushed to the point where mothers would sell their own children to make some if it, and now we see that people refuse to change their own destructive ways without being promised some of it. Not for a decent reason like living better/longer/healthier... but for currency.

It is times like this that I am ashamed to be an American... the land of capitalism over everything, including your own survival.

/of course, I now have diabetes and have been told to eat better
//not going to do it, but not because I want to be paid to do it
///there are other reasons...
 
2013-03-08 01:10:49 PM

Girl Pants: Somehow $20 doesn't feel like it'd motivate me enough.


That was my first thought too, but these people probably already do want to lose weight and the chance of winning their lottery is probably even more of an incentive.

If you didn't meet the monthly goals, you had to pay in $20 and there were only 100 people in the study which lasted 12-36 weeks. That could be a nice bonus.
 
2013-03-08 01:20:44 PM
Huh!  I wonder if paying students to study would result in better grades, too?

/ of course it would
// but that would be 'throwing money at the problem'
/// instead of biatchin' about teachers' unions and taxes
//// ironically, libertarian capitalists don't believe in the power of money
// rant
 
2013-03-08 01:21:07 PM

ph0rk: CeroX: /lost 30lbs in the last month

That sounds healthy.


Not sure if serious or snarky, but blood tests show major improvement in chol., trigs., blood sugar balance, and a healthy liver...
 
2013-03-08 01:25:02 PM

payattention: Face it gang, on some level this is absolutely horrifying. Due to corporate programming, our society has been brainwashed to see currency as more important than our own health. They had already gotten the belief pushed to the point where mothers would sell their own children to make some if it, and now we see that people refuse to change their own destructive ways without being promised some of it. Not for a decent reason like living better/longer/healthier... but for currency.

It is times like this that I am ashamed to be an American... the land of capitalism over everything, including your own survival.

/of course, I now have diabetes and have been told to eat better
//not going to do it, but not because I want to be paid to do it
///there are other reasons...


ugh, dude, seriously... it's a miserable way to go out... Uncle had it and refused... first they took his big toe in his right foot, then they had to take his right foot... Despite that he still didn't change eating habits, and no matter how much he claimed he would rather die happy than to change his diet, he couldn't breath for crap, and he didn't exactly have a beaming smile on face every time he had to move around...

he suffered pretty badly...

It's not really much of a change to make
 
2013-03-08 01:26:03 PM

TheOther: Huh!  I wonder if paying students to study would result in better grades, too?

/ of course it would
// but that would be 'throwing money at the problem'
/// instead of biatchin' about teachers' unions and taxes
//// ironically, libertarian capitalists don't believe in the power of money
// rant


We already pay people for getting good grades. It's called getting a good job.
 
2013-03-08 01:26:03 PM

dopekitty74: If money were that much of a motivator, nobody would smoke cigarettes anymore either.

/i'm in the you'd have to pay me more than 20$ club.


My father's dead now, but not from lung cancer or heart disease. He smoked a pack and a half daily from the '40s to the '70s (all the cool kids were doing it during WWII, when death from torpedo was a more pressing concern). He got tired of the dorsal primate, and quit cold turkey. His incentivizing tactic was to put away, every day, the money he would have spent had he continued to smoke. For argument's sake, let's say it was seven-fifty per day (Canadian cigarettes are irresistible to the tax men).

He did this for about 40 years. When cigarettes went up in price, he would throw a great amount of money in a drawer. He'd bank it every few months in a separate account.

The total, adjusted for inflation, was nearly $110,000.

He bought two cars...in cash (which is inspirational to car salespeople, apparently) and paid off a house, which quadripled in value while he owned it. He left a nice mortgage-erasing packet to me and my sister. I should stress that he never made more than $35,000/year in his life. Not rich, but then even bums and the homeless can afford to smoke.

Similarly, I reject the notion that you can ever be too poor to eat properly, which is very small amounts of something that saw a factory between you and the field or the farmyard. I realize the entire food industry is offering everyone they can sucker into taking up the crack pipe of salt, sugar and fat, but that industry doesn't have to use your farked-up pancreas or damaged kidneys inside your lard-encased ass to get through the world.

You do.

If putting away ten bucks for every day you don't eat McDogfood's or snarf a sack of chips is the incentive, get on that. The monetary effects, when factored over time, can be dramatic...like really dramatic. And, of course, if you aren't a smoking salty sugar gravy gobbler, you'll have that time to pay for more than an XXL coffin.

Your choice: It's clear to me that the government is going to solve its underfunding of the old-age pension scam by encouraging people to eat themselves to death so that they never claim it. Path of least resistance, really, unless you are waiting for fatties to struggle onto public transit, even with the extra-strong lowering steps.
 
2013-03-08 01:28:02 PM

payattention: Face it gang, on some level this is absolutely horrifying. Due to corporate programming, our society has been brainwashed to see currency as more important than our own health. They had already gotten the belief pushed to the point where mothers would sell their own children to make some if it, and now we see that people refuse to change their own destructive ways without being promised some of it. Not for a decent reason like living better/longer/healthier... but for currency.

It is times like this that I am ashamed to be an American... the land of capitalism over everything, including your own survival.

/of course, I now have diabetes and have been told to eat better
//not going to do it, but not because I want to be paid to do it
///there are other reasons...


No.  The brain has always had a hard tiem looking at long distant and non concrete payoffs.  Thsi has nothing to do with corporate programming and more to do with how we are hardwired.  You have an immediate desire to eat (and are generally more attracted to bad food) and the thought of what it will do to yoru waist and life expectancy down the road isn't immediate.  The thought of money is much more concrete.

This isn't an american phenomenon at all.
 
2013-03-08 01:36:13 PM
40 years. fark.
 
2013-03-08 01:37:28 PM
RE previous comment: Oops, wrong thread, sorry.

Uh, go be fat somewhere else, Jumbo.
 
2013-03-08 01:40:16 PM
The "Stop eating shiatty food" diet and "Get off your ass" exercise plan worked just fine by me.
 
2013-03-08 01:41:11 PM
Diet pills and supplements don't work because they don't make them like they used to:

www.rippedfueloriginal.com
 
2013-03-08 01:43:09 PM

Valiente: dopekitty74: If money were that much of a motivator, nobody would smoke cigarettes anymore either.

/i'm in the you'd have to pay me more than 20$ club.

My father's dead now, but not from lung cancer or heart disease. He smoked a pack and a half daily from the '40s to the '70s (all the cool kids were doing it during WWII, when death from torpedo was a more pressing concern). He got tired of the dorsal primate, and quit cold turkey. His incentivizing tactic was to put away, every day, the money he would have spent had he continued to smoke. For argument's sake, let's say it was seven-fifty per day (Canadian cigarettes are irresistible to the tax men).

He did this for about 40 years. When cigarettes went up in price, he would throw a great amount of money in a drawer. He'd bank it every few months in a separate account.

The total, adjusted for inflation, was nearly $110,000.

He bought two cars...in cash (which is inspirational to car salespeople, apparently) and paid off a house, which quadripled in value while he owned it. He left a nice mortgage-erasing packet to me and my sister. I should stress that he never made more than $35,000/year in his life. Not rich, but then even bums and the homeless can afford to smoke.

Similarly, I reject the notion that you can ever be too poor to eat properly, which is very small amounts of something that saw a factory between you and the field or the farmyard. I realize the entire food industry is offering everyone they can sucker into taking up the crack pipe of salt, sugar and fat, but that industry doesn't have to use your farked-up pancreas or damaged kidneys inside your lard-encased ass to get through the world.

You do.

If putting away ten bucks for every day you don't eat McDogfood's or snarf a sack of chips is the incentive, get on that. The monetary effects, when factored over time, can be dramatic...like really dramatic. And, of course, if you aren't a smoking salty sugar gravy gobbler, you'll have that time to pay for more than an XXL coffin.

Your choice: It's clear to me that the government is going to solve its underfunding of the old-age pension scam by encouraging people to eat themselves to death so that they never claim it. Path of least resistance, really, unless you are waiting for fatties to struggle onto public transit, even with the extra-strong lowering steps.


***APPLAUSE***

/Also "Dorsal Primate" would be a great band name.
 
2013-03-08 01:57:03 PM

freeforever: Diet pills and supplements don't work because they don't make them like they used to:

[www.rippedfueloriginal.com image 350x540]


I don't buy into excessive supplements, but I'm definitely a believer in whey protein.  I'm up at least 30% across the board on my weight training since December.
 
2013-03-08 02:00:37 PM

GoldSpider: freeforever: Diet pills and supplements don't work because they don't make them like they used to:

[www.rippedfueloriginal.com image 350x540]

I don't buy into excessive supplements, but I'm definitely a believer in whey protein.  I'm up at least 30% across the board on my weight training since December.


I find that creatine and whey protein always help me get bigger and stronger, but I'm not sure how much of it is the supplements, and how much of it is the fact that I work out harder because I just sunk $50 into supplements and I want to make sure I get the most out of them. It's a weird psychological thing, and not entirely rational. If working out is free, I don't do it as hard.
 
2013-03-08 02:00:52 PM

dopekitty74: If money were that much of a motivator, nobody would smoke cigarettes anymore either.

/i'm in the you'd have to pay me more than 20$ club.


You have either never smoked seriously or you're trollin'. Or both.
 
2013-03-08 02:06:46 PM

Tommy Moo: I find that creatine and whey protein always help me get bigger and stronger, but I'm not sure how much of it is the supplements, and how much of it is the fact that I work out harder because I just sunk $50 into supplements and I want to make sure I get the most out of them. It's a weird psychological thing, and not entirely rational. If working out is free, I don't do it as hard.


That's one of the reasons I bought a 1-year gym membership; if I'm paying for it, I'm going to use it.  I'm there 5-6 days a week since December.

I've opted not to go with creatine, as I'm not as worried about "bulking up" as I want to get stronger and stay around the same weight (also running a lot and training for distance).  It's a delicate balance, as I have to take enough calories in to grow muscle, but not too much that it gets stored as fat.  Both are hard to balance with the calories I burn running 5-6 miles every few days.  There's a good chance I could be doing this smarter, but so far this I'm pleased with my progress.
 
2013-03-08 02:15:22 PM

GoldSpider: I've opted not to go with creatine, as I'm not as worried about "bulking up" as I want to get stronger and stay around the same weight (also running a lot and training for distance). It's a delicate balance, as I have to take enough calories in to grow muscle, but not too much that it gets stored as fat. Both are hard to balance with the calories I burn running 5-6 miles every few days. There's a good chance I could be doing this smarter, but so far this I'm pleased with my progress


What are your distance goals?

I used to run 5-6 miles twise a week, and regular "heavy" lift twice a week.  When I was training for a half marathon I would add a long run (and if time didn't permit, drop one of my 5-6 miles runs).

I found I got better results (in half marathons) when I started adding a day of sprints and adding some metabolic condition ing to my lifitng days.  My only lift that suffered was bench.
 
2013-03-08 02:24:59 PM

liam76: What are your distance goals?


Ran my first (and only) half-marathon a year and a half ago, but farked up my knee in the process.  I'd like to run another one this year, preferably injury-free and in under 2 hours.  Unlike last time, I'm gradually working up the mileage and logging many more runs.

liam76: I used to run 5-6 miles twise a week, and regular "heavy" lift twice a week. When I was training for a half marathon I would add a long run (and if time didn't permit, drop one of my 5-6 miles runs).


That's roughly what I'm doing.  M-W-F are my lifting days, Tuesday and Saturday are my distance days, and a fast-as-I-can 5K on Sunday (though I'll probably use that as a rest day with the addition of my Saturday runs)
 
2013-03-08 02:34:49 PM
How did I lose all that gross fat? By combining the miracle of technology with ordinary street junkies! Producing this: Jimmy Tango's Fat Busters! It's this simple: wear my patented vibrating heat-bead suit, then jam an unbelievable amount of pure, raw crystal meth into your system! You might ask, "Isn't crystal meth illegal?" You bet! But my scientist, Dr. Cody, spends his days in a tin shed deep inside a small canyon outside San Bernadino, constantly altering the scientific formula of a bathtub crank that keeps us one step ahead the law, and keeps you one step ahead of the fat farm! Fatties, here's my promise: wear my vibrating heat beads, while blasting down handfuls of crrystal meth, and you'll drop weight so fast you'll lose your mind! Any questions?
 
2013-03-08 03:01:32 PM

Valiente: He bought two cars...in cash (which is inspirational to car salespeople, apparently)


Not in my experience. I paid for my last car with cash (okay, actually a bank transfer) and they actually seemed annoyed that I wasn't taking advantage of their financing they couldn't rape me with their financing.

Cost was a big factor for me quitting smoking. It wasn't the only reason I quit, but when I started, a pack of cigarettes was about $1 (usually less, but close to $1). I remember the first time I paid $2 for a pack. I was pretty outraged, but it was at a ski resort where I knew prices were inflated. I swore I would never pay that if it were the typical price. And then I did. And the prices just kept going up.

When Obama took office, I was paying $48 per carton and a couple of months later - before the tax hike even took effect the price shot up to $70 a carton.

I don't know anything that has increased that much in price over a similar period of time. Not gold, not gas, not cable. Nothing even comes close.

Fark big tobacco - not because they lied about the addictive qualities or the health risks associated with cigarettes. I knew about those before I even started smoking. I didn't understand just how insidious addiction was, but I did know cigarettes were addictive. No, fark them for using the mere announcement that a tax increase would take effect in a few months and use that as an excuse to raise prices anyway.
 
2013-03-08 04:15:07 PM

Son of Thunder: abhorrent1: See you fat bastards. Don't try and pull that "I've tried everything" crap. Stop stuffing your farking pie-hole for a few minutes a day and maybe you wouldn't be a blob.

Pay me or SFTU.


I'm not paying you to make smart choices. You want to kill yourself? Be my guest. Don't expect to be rewarded for your poor diet choices and fatness though.
I choose to smoke, you choose to be fat. Difference is I'm not expecting money cause I made a poor life choice.Fatties are more entitled than most. "Accommodate me!"
 
2013-03-08 04:19:20 PM
Science World Report, you say?
 
2013-03-08 04:46:12 PM
Was the Obvious Tag having a Big Mac or something?
 
2013-03-08 04:56:20 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: TheOther: Huh!  I wonder if paying students to study would result in better grades, too?

/ of course it would
// but that would be 'throwing money at the problem'
/// instead of biatchin' about teachers' unions and taxes
//// ironically, libertarian capitalists don't believe in the power of money
// rant

We already pay people for getting good grades. It's called getting a good job.


Yeah, because that system is working so well on both ends.
 
2013-03-08 05:09:38 PM

FatherChaos: [weknowmemes.com image 562x446]
I'll even PAY you!


I have to learn to stop scrolling down on fark with a mug of coffee to my lips.
 
2013-03-08 05:14:53 PM
CeroX - ugh, dude, seriously... it's a miserable way to go out... Uncle had it and refused... first they took his big toe in his right foot, then they had to take his right foot... Despite that he still didn't change eating habits, and no matter how much he claimed he would rather die happy than to change his diet, he couldn't breath for crap, and he didn't exactly have a beaming smile on face every time he had to move around...
he suffered pretty badly...


Maybe so, but compared to slowly losing everything and starving to death from not being able to get any freakin work... it is suffer from that or suffer from eating crappy food. Whats the difference?

liam76- No.  The brain has always had a hard time looking at long distant and non concrete payoffs.

This is true, but you are not going to convince me that 40 years of commercialization telling us we CAN HAVE IT NOW has not had an effect on our choices. in 1976, it usually took more than 60 seconds to make lunch. If you take longer than that now, you are considered an idiot and older than dirt. Hell, there was nothing wrong with my old CRT television, but everyone under 30 who saw it asked me if my flatscreen was in the shop. What about the desire to make your house 100% germ free? Thanks to our brains being flooded with commercials telling us we are not good parents unless we keep our house 100% germ free, we now expect to not have one single germ in our home. And, thanks to that, we are less able to fight off germs than our ancesters were. That is all programming. And, that programming is as much to blame for our need for instant gratification as any gentic hardwiring.

/"...time..." sorry... grandma was an english professor and mom was raised by her... I was programmed...
// see?
 
2013-03-08 05:18:52 PM

abhorrent1: Son of Thunder: abhorrent1: See you fat bastards. Don't try and pull that "I've tried everything" crap. Stop stuffing your farking pie-hole for a few minutes a day and maybe you wouldn't be a blob.

Pay me or SFTU.

I'm not paying you to make smart choices. You want to kill yourself? Be my guest. Don't expect to be rewarded for your poor diet choices and fatness though.
I choose to smoke, you choose to be fat. Difference is I'm not expecting money cause I made a poor life choice.Fatties are more entitled than most. "Accommodate me!"


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

James Cameron should raise the bar.
 
2013-03-08 05:41:28 PM

TheOther: ThrobblefootSpectre: TheOther: Huh!  I wonder if paying students to study would result in better grades, too?

/ of course it would
// but that would be 'throwing money at the problem'
/// instead of biatchin' about teachers' unions and taxes
//// ironically, libertarian capitalists don't believe in the power of money
// rant

We already pay people for getting good grades. It's called getting a good job.

Yeah, because that system is working so well on both ends.


I agree, so far, it does seem to be working quite very well. We have a society where people live much longer and healthier than anytime ever before in recorded history. The lower economic class in our society has greater access to food, conveniences, medical care and entertainment than the mightiest Emperors and Kings of yore could have dreamed of. We have rovers exploring mars and probes photographing the outer planets. We have instant 24/7 fingertip access to communication, information, and entertainment (the device you are posting on, for instance). Of course, the same cannot be said for all places in the world today. I am genuinely thankful to be living here rather than under any other form of government or economic model.
 
2013-03-08 06:02:45 PM
static.prtst.net

Getting paid didn't work for me. Hose off, losers ....
 
2013-03-08 06:18:59 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: I agree, so far, it does seem to be working quite very well. We have a society where people live much longer and healthier than anytime ever before in recorded history. The lower economic class in our society has greater access to food, conveniences, medical care and entertainment than the mightiest Emperors and Kings of yore could have dreamed of. We have rovers exploring mars and probes photographing the outer planets. We have instant 24/7 fingertip access to communication, information, and entertainment (the device you are posting on, for instance). Of course, the same cannot be said for all places in the world today. I am genuinely thankful to be living here rather than under any other form of government or economic model.


THIS

I appreciate what I have because it's better than what was available when I was a kid.  We all have it better than most countries.  We definitely have it better than 100 years ago, except for maybe the robber barons and monarchies.  And the poorest of all of us have it better than anyone 200 years ago.  If your goal is to have a 10 million dollar house, fields of hookers, and blow stacks the size of cars, your priorities are screwed up.

Example--I have a 2002 Camry.  We needed a new additional car to add to the corral, so I got a 2013 Hybrid Camry.  It has all these bells and whistles I didn't even knew came on it as standard equipment.  I'm happier than a pig in shiat with what is considered normal these days.  I got my first (used) iPod Classic (to go with the car) and put 110 albums on it.  My entire boring music life is 20GB out of 80GB available.  I'm gobsmacked, as the British say, with what's available today and perfectly happy I don't have to deal with a tape-playing Walkman from my youth.

Do I get pissed I cannot afford a Mercedes?  No, because the same technology in my new Camry was out-of-bounds luxury 15 years ago in a Mercedes. I'm old enough to know you just have to wait a little for it to trickle down.
 
2013-03-08 07:00:23 PM
liam76
... The brain has always had a hard tiem looking at long distant and non concrete payoffs.  Thsi has nothing to do with corporate programming and more to do with how we are hardwired.  You have an immediate desire to eat (and are generally more attracted to bad food) and the thought of what it will do to yoru waist and life expectancy down the road isn't immediate.  The thought of money is much more concrete.

This isn't an american phenomenon at all.



So true. Food means instant reward, enjoying the food and feeling sated now. Foregoing the food does not result in instant dropping of pounds, all people who have ever tried losing weight know, that the process is slow, very slow, so the rewards are way too distant.

/would also need to be paid one hell of a lot more than $20
//maybe $20 each and every time I turned down some food would work
 
2013-03-08 07:15:49 PM
So basically people care more about money than they do about their health or getting laid. Explains a lot about our society, really.
 
2013-03-08 07:28:13 PM

fickenchucker: Example--I have a 2002 Camry.  We needed a new additional car to add to the corral, so I got a 2013 Hybrid Camry.  It has all these bells and whistles I didn't even knew came on it as standard equipment.  I'm happier than a pig in shiat with what is considered normal these days.  I got my first (used) iPod Classic (to go with the car) and put 110 albums on it.  My entire boring music life is 20GB out of 80GB available.  I'm gobsmacked, as the British say, with what's available today and perfectly happy I don't have to deal with a tape-playing Walkman from my youth.

Do I get pissed I cannot afford a Mercedes?  No, because the same technology in my new Camry was out-of-bounds luxury 15 years ago in a Mercedes. I'm old enough to know you just have to wait a little for it to trickle down.


Well, yeah - there's all that.

One of my first "big" purchases was a Sony Walkman in the '80s. It was "expensive", at least for me as a teen with no income other than a very meager allowance and what I got from mowing lawns and washing my parent's cars. You can get an MP3 player that is much smaller, is much more reliable and much cheaper these days.

Cars were much less reliable too. I actually knew the people at the auto repair shop. Now, I don't even though it's about the same class of car (American-made, not a luxury model, etc...)

By comparison, a friend of mine has a Mercedes. It's a cheap Mercedes, but it's in the shop a lot more than mine is even though it's about the same age. It might be a year older, I can't remember.

Computers? Yeah, no need to even explain how much they've improved.

OTOH, the rich just seem to get richer. Did you see the house for rent in California? $600,000 a month. There probably was a Fark headline for it, but I don't remember seeing it. JFK lived there and they filmed parts of the Godfather there. It's for sale too. Asking price $115 million. Ummmm, yeah, that's like monarchy money. I saw it on Nightline and the real estate agent said that whoever bought it would probably only spend a few weeks a year there because it would probably be their 3rd or 4th home.

That kind of wealth doesn't even make sense to me. I don't think that kind of wealth trickles down to anyone except their direct descendants. I'm sure there's some room to negotiate the selling price, but even if you get it down to $80 million, if you can afford that do you even bother to look at all 29 bedrooms? With a house that big, you probably consider parts of it to be the ghetto section of your house. And how much are utilities? Monthly utilities and maintenance are probably more than most of us pay for a year of housing.
 
2013-03-08 07:50:37 PM
Happy Hours:
....OTOH, the rich just seem to get richer. Did you see the house for rent in California? $600,000 a month. There probably was a Fark headline for it, but I don't remember seeing it. JFK lived there and they filmed parts of the Godfather there. It's for sale too. Asking price $115 million. Ummmm, yeah, that's like monarchy money. ...


You got that right. Check out this little rather disturbing video if you haven't already seen it:
http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-a bo ut-this-mind-blowing-fact-2?g=2&c=upw1
 
2013-03-09 02:19:04 AM

GoldSpider: liam76: What are your distance goals?

Ran my first (and only) half-marathon a year and a half ago, but farked up my knee in the process.  I'd like to run another one this year, preferably injury-free and in under 2 hours.  Unlike last time, I'm gradually working up the mileage and logging many more runs.

liam76: I used to run 5-6 miles twise a week, and regular "heavy" lift twice a week. When I was training for a half marathon I would add a long run (and if time didn't permit, drop one of my 5-6 miles runs).

That's roughly what I'm doing.  M-W-F are my lifting days, Tuesday and Saturday are my distance days, and a fast-as-I-can 5K on Sunday (though I'll probably use that as a rest day with the addition of my Saturday runs)


I'm resuming cycling to work in 5 weeks once it's warm enough to be comfortable.  3 days a week, 20 miles a day.  3 days a week of physical therapy lifting for warding off further shoulder injuries.

From your experiences would that protein stuff make much of a difference?  My diet is already good but I do like my whiskey and rum.
 
2013-03-09 06:46:09 AM

Smeggy Smurf: GoldSpider: liam76: What are your distance goals?

Ran my first (and only) half-marathon a year and a half ago, but farked up my knee in the process.  I'd like to run another one this year, preferably injury-free and in under 2 hours.  Unlike last time, I'm gradually working up the mileage and logging many more runs.

liam76: I used to run 5-6 miles twise a week, and regular "heavy" lift twice a week. When I was training for a half marathon I would add a long run (and if time didn't permit, drop one of my 5-6 miles runs).

That's roughly what I'm doing.  M-W-F are my lifting days, Tuesday and Saturday are my distance days, and a fast-as-I-can 5K on Sunday (though I'll probably use that as a rest day with the addition of my Saturday runs)

I'm resuming cycling to work in 5 weeks once it's warm enough to be comfortable.  3 days a week, 20 miles a day.  3 days a week of physical therapy lifting for warding off further shoulder injuries.

From your experiences would that protein stuff make much of a difference?  My diet is already good but I do like my whiskey and rum.


I used to take protein when I hit a plateau in something or life was too hectic to eat right.

Now I got a kid so that is all the time.

Bottom line I think it helps, but it may be in my head.
 
2013-03-09 06:52:29 AM

GoldSpider: liam76: What are your distance goals?

Ran my first (and only) half-marathon a year and a half ago, but farked up my knee in the process.  I'd like to run another one this year, preferably injury-free and in under 2 hours.  Unlike last time, I'm gradually working up the mileage and logging many more runs.

liam76: I used to run 5-6 miles twise a week, and regular "heavy" lift twice a week. When I was training for a half marathon I would add a long run (and if time didn't permit, drop one of my 5-6 miles runs).

That's roughly what I'm doing.  M-W-F are my lifting days, Tuesday and Saturday are my distance days, and a fast-as-I-can 5K on Sunday (though I'll probably use that as a rest day with the addition of my Saturday runs)


I would try getting rid of the three k sprints and doing sprint tabatas, and quarter to half mile sprints.

http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/endurance-training/CrossFit-Endu r ance-Workout-of-the-Day-10-to-15-Minutes-With-Running.html#

This is worth a read if you want to switch things up. Not exactly what I do, but it has some good examples of sprint work outs and metabolic workouts that improve strength (WOD's) and are great after a a major muscle group lift.
 
2013-03-09 10:21:01 AM

CeroX: ph0rk: CeroX: /lost 30lbs in the last month

That sounds healthy.

Not sure if serious or snarky, but blood tests show major improvement in chol., trigs., blood sugar balance, and a healthy liver...


Being less fat is healthier, but 30 lb in a month is an excessively rapid loss.  It's hard on the body and if you did it with a fast, you probably have a higher percent body fat now than you did earlier because high calorie deficits burn muscle, sorry to tell you. The research additionally cautions that most people who lose weight so rapidly are more likely to gain it back.

If you care about your body and your health, you'll exercise.
 
2013-03-09 10:23:32 AM
The aim was to lose 4 pounds a month up to a goal that depended on their starting weight. If they failed, they paid $20 into a kitty. If they succeeded, they got a voucher to collect $20 when the study ended. Part of the kitty was used to pay the rewards. The rest was put into a lottery that anyone could win, whether they had made their weight-loss goals or not.

www.cutesense.com
 
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