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2013-03-08 03:03:11 PM
durbnpoisn:

I don't remember exactly how this story goes, but I will try to relate it as best I can. Forgive me if any part of it is innaccurate...

In Yellowstone National Park, they attempted to create a wildlife preserve by fencing off a section of the park. None of the animals could move about as normal. Before long, the predators ate all the game, then they ended up dieing of starvation.

This is what happens when humans try to interfere with nature, even with the best intentions.


Well, there *is* a science to it. Unfortunately there is also a politics to it. One of the more absurd examples was Sarah Palin speaking on the Endangered Species act.

Whether she was right or wrong on the science, this was a politi-celeb influencing the discussion. Yellowstone in particular has been blown around on political winds pretty often because it's so visible.

People can do stuff with the best information and the best intentions, and the dumbest actual *implementation* will be voted into law by people 2000 miles away.
 
2013-03-08 03:03:40 PM

Frankenstorm: Oh, the exploding deer of the night
Explode for us, for we need light
For in the darkness, it is a fright
Explode for us deer, to give us sight


Beware my power green lanterns light.

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2013-03-08 03:11:52 PM

Happy Hours: Ow! That was my feelings!: Forest rats be tasty. Also, for those interested in bow hunting, please learn to shoot really well before going hunting. Lost count on the number of deer I've come across with an arrow sticking out of their rump.

Just in case it may violate Fark's TOS (I'm really not sure, most aren't actually dead) I won't post any pictures but just do a GIS for "goose arrow".

You'll see pictures of geese with arrows going through their bodies, necks and heads.

And this is why if I would never even consider shooting an animal with a bow. I'm not against hunting and I'm not against killing animals for food but I am against animal cruelty.

If you can stick and arrow through a goose's head or neck and it can still swim or fly (as the pictures demonstrate) then it's got to be even harder to actually kill a deer with an arrow.


I can guarantee you that those birds were shot with arrows tipped with field (target) points rather than broadheads appropriate to hunting. They weren't shot by hunters, they were shot by jackasses who happened to have a bow.

It's akin to using full metal jacket bullets when hunting with a rifle rather than expanding bullets.

Shoot a goose with something like this and you'll have a very hard time ending up with a bird that's merely wounded. Killing a deer with an arrow is harder, but a good broadhead doesn't just poke a clean hole - they have several very large, razor sharp blades that make very big wound channels that bleed out quickly.
 
2013-03-08 03:28:36 PM

Frank N Stein: FARK rebel soldier: Frank N Stein: I need to take up archery. Hunting with a firearm is fun effective and all, but archery would be a good skill to learn fun.

Just understand you won't eat anything.

My hunting is usually of the upland or water foul verity. Bow hunting for that would be hard.


Not true.  Get some Snaro points and make flu-flu arrows, and practice on aerial targets.  

TheShavingofOccam123: JesseL: Glitchwerks: Yogimus: Are you aware that wolves eat things OTHER than deer as well?

Let me guess, a wolf ate your baby?

If wolves lost their aversion to people enough that they were willing to roam the burbs killing deer, you can bet that they would have no problem with going after people too.

A documentary on the Roman Coliseum said wild cats had to be trained to kill and eat humans. I called out an Elvis "bullshiat" from my recliner. I used to go to the local zoo and watch the big cats watch the littlest children. Those cats used to charge the glass at the littlest tykes all the time. As I was porky fat, I wasn't worried.


I noticed that too with the littlebopper at the zoo.  The big cats would zero-in on the small kids with laser-like focus and intensity.
 
2013-03-08 03:30:15 PM
Speaking of which, does anyone have a recommendation for a crossbow that will quickly and humanely take out a deer ~50 yards away?

My grand idea that probably doesn't take into the way deer think is to take maybe three does from my a year from my porch to keep the freezer full but not so much I scare the other 50+ of the fall herd away.
 
2013-03-08 03:37:05 PM

maxheck: Speaking of which, does anyone have a recommendation for a crossbow that will quickly and humanely take out a deer ~50 yards away?


Yes, the one you practice with out to 50 yards or so.

Just use *GOOD*, non-mechanical cut-on-contact broadheads that are *SHARP*.  I like Wensel Woodsman heads, but I use a bow, not a crossbow (principle is the same, though).

Make them as sharp as you possibly can.  If they won't take the hair off your arm or leg easily, they ain't sharp enough.

That's the most important part of the equation.  Bows and crossbows aren't like guns, they kill not through speed or kinetic energy, but more like a knife:  A sharp knife pushed in slowly will kill just as surely as a 300 fps arrow with a good broadhead.
 
2013-03-08 03:42:55 PM
dittybopper:

maxheck: Speaking of which, does anyone have a recommendation for a crossbow that will quickly and humanely take out a deer ~50 yards away?

Yes, the one you practice with out to 50 yards or so.


Ok. THAT part I assume for any tool. I'll research the names you gave though, and thanks.

I did kill a deer with a knife once, but I did a bad job of it. It all ended up the same for the deer of course, but it's not something I'd repeat if I could help it. Point taken about how arrows differ from shotguns.
 
2013-03-08 03:44:11 PM

JesseL: Happy Hours: Ow! That was my feelings!: Forest rats be tasty. Also, for those interested in bow hunting, please learn to shoot really well before going hunting. Lost count on the number of deer I've come across with an arrow sticking out of their rump.

Just in case it may violate Fark's TOS (I'm really not sure, most aren't actually dead) I won't post any pictures but just do a GIS for "goose arrow".

You'll see pictures of geese with arrows going through their bodies, necks and heads.

And this is why if I would never even consider shooting an animal with a bow. I'm not against hunting and I'm not against killing animals for food but I am against animal cruelty.

If you can stick and arrow through a goose's head or neck and it can still swim or fly (as the pictures demonstrate) then it's got to be even harder to actually kill a deer with an arrow.

I can guarantee you that those birds were shot with arrows tipped with field (target) points rather than broadheads appropriate to hunting. They weren't shot by hunters, they were shot by jackasses who happened to have a bow.

It's akin to using full metal jacket bullets when hunting with a rifle rather than expanding bullets.

Shoot a goose with something like this and you'll have a very hard time ending up with a bird that's merely wounded. Killing a deer with an arrow is harder, but a good broadhead doesn't just poke a clean hole - they have several very large, razor sharp blades that make very big wound channels that bleed out quickly.


That makes sense I'm still probably not good enough to hunt game with a bow - although if I were shooting geese I'd probably just miss completely rather than wound it (probably depends on the distance). I've only ever shot at targets but I remember seeing broadheads at the archery store and those look like they could do some damage.

I probably didn't have an appropriate bow for hunting either. I gave it to my nephew but IIRC it only had a 35 pound pull. It was wooden and not a compound bow.  I used to shoot styrofoam targets with hay bales as a backstop with the back of my parents garage as an added backstop when I was younger...and I made sure the dog wasn't running around in the front of the target.

Maybe I should get back into it. I could probably set up an archery range in my basement. I've still got a handheld (pistol-grip) crossbow somewhere.
 
2013-03-08 04:04:51 PM

Enemabag Jones: Would this not be fun.  Hit a deer in the right spot, it blows up.

I think this would expand the sport of hunting.  Just be careful it you get a dud.


Leave a dud deer where it lies!
 
2013-03-08 04:19:24 PM

dittybopper: Frank N Stein: I need to take up archery. Hunting with a firearm is fun and all, but archery would be a good skill to learn.

Yes, yes it is.


Only a long bow. fark that pussy-ass compound shiat.
 
2013-03-08 04:26:10 PM

Happy Hours: I'm still probably not good enough to hunt game with a bow


Nobody is until they practice.  A lot.
 
2013-03-08 04:29:30 PM

dittybopper: maxheck: Speaking of which, does anyone have a recommendation for a crossbow that will quickly and humanely take out a deer ~50 yards away?

Yes, the one you practice with out to 50 yards or so.

Just use *GOOD*, non-mechanical cut-on-contact broadheads that are *SHARP*.  I like Wensel Woodsman heads, but I use a bow, not a crossbow (principle is the same, though).

Make them as sharp as you possibly can.  If they won't take the hair off your arm or leg easily, they ain't sharp enough.

That's the most important part of the equation.  Bows and crossbows aren't like guns, they kill not through speed or kinetic energy, but more like a knife:  A sharp knife pushed in slowly will kill just as surely as a 300 fps arrow with a good broadhead.


Part of the reason I don't bowhunt is also a warning:

If I fall on a round of ammunition, no big deal usually. If I fall on a broadhead, I could bleed out before I could get help.

Might as well hold liquid fire in your hands.
 
2013-03-08 04:32:16 PM

Katolu: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: I need to take up archery. Hunting with a firearm is fun and all, but archery would be a good skill to learn.

Yes, yes it is.

Only a long bow. fark that pussy-ass compound shiat.


I don't need training wheels:

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Hell, I don't even need steel:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-08 04:34:09 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Part of the reason I don't bowhunt is also a warning:

If I fall on a round of ammunition, no big deal usually. If I fall on a broadhead, I could bleed out before I could get help.

Might as well hold liquid fire in your hands.


Meh.  Make a broadhead cover out of leather that you take off when you aren't moving, and don't climb trees.
 
2013-03-08 04:45:14 PM
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2013-03-08 04:49:48 PM

dittybopper: Katolu: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: I need to take up archery. Hunting with a firearm is fun and all, but archery would be a good skill to learn.

Yes, yes it is.

Only a long bow. fark that pussy-ass compound shiat.

I don't need training wheels:

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Hell, I don't even need steel:

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I appreciate the perpendicular of the arrow point to the shaft. Have you ever seen this site. Some South African on how to make footed arrows. Simple and to the point.

http://www.africanarcher.com/footed.html
 
2013-03-08 04:54:42 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: dittybopper: Katolu: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: I need to take up archery. Hunting with a firearm is fun and all, but archery would be a good skill to learn.

Yes, yes it is.

Only a long bow. fark that pussy-ass compound shiat.

I don't need training wheels:

[img189.imageshack.us image 640x201]

Hell, I don't even need steel:

[i48.tinypic.com image 640x480]

I appreciate the perpendicular of the arrow point to the shaft. Have you ever seen this site. Some South African on how to make footed arrows. Simple and to the point.

http://www.africanarcher.com/footed.html


I've thought about footing arrows, but I tend to lose/break them fairly often, so putting that much work into them isn't worth it to me.
 
2013-03-08 05:24:43 PM
Wouldn't be an issue if people had just left their predators and the land alone... there are plenty of other things that EAT deer and keep their numbers down, you know. It's how the system works.
 
2013-03-08 05:31:36 PM

rewind2846: Wouldn't be an issue if people had just left their predators and the land alone... there are plenty of other things that EAT deer and keep their numbers down, you know. It's how the system works.


Sounds great in theory, just not practical in modern times.
 
2013-03-08 05:38:20 PM
2 words.
Dear.  Body.  Armor.
 
2013-03-08 05:53:44 PM
What opening day might look like:


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2013-03-08 05:56:55 PM
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2013-03-08 06:15:21 PM
As a guy who doesn't hunt deer but has hit two and had more than several near misses, I'm OK with this.  Most bow hunters are actual sportsmen, whereas a lot of rifle hunters are just scary motherfrarkers who I wouldn't let in my woods.  Oh, and large dogs who wipe out the front of vehicles too.  If they're in the middle of the highway, they should be fair game.
 
2013-03-08 06:18:26 PM

Glitchwerks: Nature had a great way of regulating itself until humans intervened.


Being torn apart and eaten alive seems somehow worse than being shot.
 
2013-03-08 06:37:44 PM

rewind2846: Wouldn't be an issue if people had just left their predators and the land alone... there are plenty of other things that EAT deer and keep their numbers down, you know. It's how the system works.


Is there a problem with people killing and eating deer?
 
2013-03-08 07:14:00 PM

JesseL: rewind2846: Wouldn't be an issue if people had just left their predators and the land alone... there are plenty of other things that EAT deer and keep their numbers down, you know. It's how the system works.

Is there a problem with people killing and eating deer?


Only if you don't spice it and cook it correctly.
 
2013-03-08 07:21:08 PM

rewind2846: Wouldn't be an issue if people had just left their predators and the land alone..


Some predators don't do very well next to high human populations. And if you want to leave the 'land alone' go ahead and off yourself now.

It takes land to provide your water, food, and all material goods.
 
2013-03-08 08:27:46 PM

JesseL: rewind2846: Wouldn't be an issue if people had just left their predators and the land alone... there are plenty of other things that EAT deer and keep their numbers down, you know. It's how the system works.

Is there a problem with people killing and eating deer?


I started hunting deer two years ago and so far the only problem is their powers of invisibility.
 
2013-03-08 08:39:28 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Stupid nature needs us to regulate things for it.

Hunters are doing the deer a favor, really.


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If we don't kill 'em, they'll die.
 
2013-03-08 09:12:13 PM
 
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