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(NBC News)   Facebook users want more privacy, haven't yet figured out that posting all their personal details and activities on the internet is in direct opposition to what they claim to want   (redtape.nbcnews.com) divider line 27
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2013-03-08 10:23:43 AM  
People want attention from those they choose, but don't want all the other attention.

It'd be like inviting your family and friends over for dinner, then finding out you also invited 17 local businesses, 10 or 15 national brands, your angry ex who is now going to sue for custody because someone at the table drank a beer in full view of her child, and everyone's employers past present and future.

Its really not that tough to figure out. Social media promises contact then brings along betrayal.
 
2013-03-08 10:27:37 AM  

Generation_D: People want attention from those they choose, but don't want all the other attention.


Ah, the same argument made by chicks who don't get hit on by only men who are handsome and rich.
 
2013-03-08 10:28:40 AM  
Joining Facebook is like inviting a few friends to a strangers house, locking yourselves in a room, and trying to have a private party.
 
2013-03-08 10:57:42 AM  
I expect not to have any privacy on Facebook. They aren't in the business of protecting privacy. They are in the business of making money and the users are the product.
 
2013-03-08 11:25:03 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the same argument made by chicks who don't get hit on by only men who are handsome and rich.


I get what your saying and agree with you, but damn, the phrasing gives me a migraine.
 
2013-03-08 11:28:50 AM  

YodaBlues: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the same argument made by chicks who don't get hit on by only men who are handsome and rich.

I get what your saying and agree with you, but damn, the phrasing gives me a migraine.


Yes, clunky be phrasing that.
 
2013-03-08 12:07:22 PM  
The word "privacy" has meaning?
 
2013-03-08 12:13:33 PM  

neversubmit: The word "privacy" has meaning?


It did. Then social media happened.
 
2013-03-08 12:15:24 PM  
Rule 1: Nothing you put online should be considered private. Given modern surveillance technology, if it has to be private, do a one-on-one in a room with thick walls, that's been swept for bugs.

Rule 2: Most of what people think should be private is so utterly boring they may as well not bother.
 
2013-03-08 12:16:45 PM  
Sometimes when I'm waiting between work projects I'll browse Fark and report the sponsored ads on Facebook as "Sexually Explicit".
 
2013-03-08 12:25:21 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: YodaBlues: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the same argument made by chicks who don't get hit on by only men who are handsome and rich.

I get what your saying and agree with you, but damn, the phrasing gives me a migraine.

Yes, clunky be phrasing that.


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2013-03-08 12:31:19 PM  
in B4 the "fark Facebook" guy.

I am that guy.
 
2013-03-08 12:47:44 PM  
If you know the game going in, you'll be fine....

In the business world, they say never send an email that you're not comfortable with everyone from the CEO down to the courier, reading.   Same applies on Facebook... What you present there needs to be homogenized to be almost nearly generic.

I roll my eyes at those who offer a stance on political issues, religion, etc..... Its simply not the forum.
 
2013-03-08 12:47:57 PM  
I'm just here for the food porn.
 
2013-03-08 01:08:01 PM  
All I'm saying is that I want a social media site that's practical and down to earth, but also swarming with magic robots.
 
2013-03-08 01:26:38 PM  
"Pictures of my colonoscopy coming soon!!!"

Friends: 0

problem solved.
 
2013-03-08 01:36:13 PM  
If the privacy settings were consistent and properly managable, you're not posting your private information "all over the internet".  You're only posting it where the people you were led to believe could see it, could see it.  Unfortunately, Facebook's privacy settings are managed and programmed by a pack of sociopathic baboons and 'consistency' and 'ease of use' are nowhere in their business model.
 
2013-03-08 01:39:47 PM  

Generation_D: People want attention from those they choose, but don't want all the other attention.

It'd be like inviting your family and friends

overfor a free dinner at a business, then finding out you also invited 17 local businesses, 10 or 15 national brands, your angry ex who is now going to sue for custody because someone at the table drank a beer in full view of her child, and everyone's employers past present and future that the business isn't actually running a charity dedicated to indulging your whims and preferences.

Its really not that tough to figure out. Social media promises contact then brings along betrayal their business model, about which they've never been too terribly shy to speak.


ftfy

/not saying it's a wonderful thing
//but why exactly do people continue believe that social media companies will be any less amoral and mercenary than other corporations?
 
2013-03-08 01:53:06 PM  
One of these days people will realize the difference between Private and what I shall call "Teir's Theory of Hyperpublic Anonymity"

Private is something that happens away from others.  If you do something in private there are not likley to be any witnesses.

Being in hyperpublic, however, means that you are doing something in plain "view" of a very large number of observers.  Yet, the trick is that the observers can also be observed, and the sheer number of them means that it is statistically unlikely that many (or any) observers will be paying attention to you. There are just so many other things to look at.  Think picking your nose in times square around new years.  If you add in anonymity, then it is deeply unlikely that anyone will notice or care what you are doing.

Thus, being in hyperpublic can occasionally mimic being in private, but it is most certainly not the same thing.

However hyperpublic transactions require a few caveats if they are to mimic privacy:
1) you cannot record what is happening - the whole point of hiding in a hyperpublic environment is that there are too many stimuli and not enough time to process them all.  If you record the events, however, you can review what anyone is doing at your leisure.  Suddenly the crowd effect goes away.

2) you cannot do something deeply noticeable - If you prance around in private, nude with a 12 inch dildo up your ass, no one will see it.  You do it in hyperpublic, even without recording, and people will likely notice.  (don't believe me - try it in the time square hypo discussed above).

3) Notoriety- schmoe in public scratching his ass, throwing up in a trash can, making obscene gestures?  no one notice/cares.  A famous person, say, Barack Obama, does any of these things (or even just stands there) everyone notices.  Hyperpublic-ness only works because out of millions of stimuli, most are about the same.  If one stimulus is far and above more noticable than all others, then that is the one thing people will notice.

This brings us to the internet.  The internet feels like a perfect hyperpublic space.  Billions of items of information bouncing about! Who would notice one comment made, or a photo uploaded, or what have you.  And in general that is how it feels like it works.  However, notice that EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET IS RECORDED.  Thus, already we are breaking the rules of hyperpublic secrecy.  Anyone with the will to sift through the metric tonnage of random shiat on the internet can find you and learn what you were doing.

Additionally, social networking platforms like facebook break the rules of anonymity, as the whole point is to make actual human connections to your real self.

Finally, most of those wrecked by the internet (who then go on to whinge about "privacy") are either notorious (see most complaining celebs with 6986726 twitter followers) or do something noticeable ( see above dildo-ass-dance phenomenon).

TL;DR = The internet, by its very nature is not private.  It is something that occasionally seems like it is private, but that is mostly just a statistical illusion.
 
2013-03-08 03:06:48 PM  
Just because I told my friends and family I saw a movie with my kid today does not mean I want to have somebody buy the information and spam me with offers I do not want.
 
2013-03-08 03:21:14 PM  
They will get the free app they paid for, and it will be worth every penny.

/you're not the customer. You're the product. Give more data now.
 
2013-03-08 03:23:00 PM  

Surool: Just because I told my friends and family I saw a movie with my kid today does not mean I want to have somebody buy the information and spam me with offers I do not want.


Ah but you didn't do that.  What you did is went into the meatspace equivalent of a room that is provided "for free"* by major corporations and that is covered in recording equipment with your friends and family and said "I saw a movie with my kid today."

You would not call statements made in such an environment private in the real world - so i don't see why you would consider them such on the internet.
 
2013-03-08 03:32:26 PM  

Teiritzamna: Surool: Just because I told my friends and family I saw a movie with my kid today does not mean I want to have somebody buy the information and spam me with offers I do not want.

Ah but you didn't do that.  What you did is went into the meatspace equivalent of a room that is provided "for free"* by major corporations and that is covered in recording equipment with your friends and family and said "I saw a movie with my kid today."

You would not call statements made in such an environment private in the real world - so i don't see why you would consider them such on the internet.


No, what I did was give the psychology behind the complaint, and while I may have said that to my friends, the controls say I am not making that statement for anyone but my friends to see... meanwhile 10 pages into the user agreement it says "Oh, we can sell that information even if you mark it private... and we are also tracking your web movements as long as you are logged in (even on other web sites), and your physical location if you use the phone app."

I rarely use Facebook for all those reasons, but that doesn't mean everybody knows that Facebook private isn't private at all.
 
2013-03-08 05:40:36 PM  

Surool: Just because I told my friends and family I saw a movie with my kid today does not mean I want to have somebody buy the information and spam me with offers I do not want.


The problem is you think your friends care.
 
2013-03-09 01:23:39 AM  

sharpie_69: Surool: Just because I told my friends and family I saw a movie with my kid today does not mean I want to have somebody buy the information and spam me with offers I do not want.

The problem is you think your friends care.


lol, you didn't actually read the second post.
 
2013-03-09 06:24:28 AM  
Stupid people are stoopid.
 
2013-03-09 10:41:19 AM  

T.rex: If you know the game going in, you'll be fine....

In the business world, they say never send an email that you're not comfortable with everyone from the CEO down to the courier, reading.   Same applies on Facebook... What you present there needs to be homogenized to be almost nearly generic.

I roll my eyes at those who offer a stance on political issues, religion, etc..... Its simply not the forum.


Your eyes must be behaving like a friggin' slot machine then.
 
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