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(NPR)   Plague of locusts has attacked Israel, leaving observant Jews asking themselves if they have offended God, are they kosher. The Torah and Leviticus are divided, rabbis disagree, but foodees say if they are sauteed and honey spiced, they are delicious   (npr.org) divider line 67
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2013-03-08 12:23:50 PM
Let my people go
 
2013-03-08 12:26:56 PM
Dipped in Dark Chocolate.
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2013-03-08 12:28:07 PM
So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew
 
2013-03-08 12:29:30 PM
Well, if they are stuck in the farking desert, killing each other, and arguing about the sky wizard, and no water about, then they deserve to eat farking bugs.
 
2013-03-08 12:30:00 PM

Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew


Locusts are extremely Kosher, and actualy , alongside honey, the go-to food for wild men and prophets like John the Baptist.
 
2013-03-08 12:30:54 PM
Oy vey.
 
2013-03-08 12:31:30 PM

Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew


They are "parve". Neutral.
 
2013-03-08 12:33:43 PM
Its not kosher to eat Jews Werner they've offended God or not subby.
 
2013-03-08 12:34:55 PM

Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew


I am pretty sure they have to say 10 hail Mary's.
 
2013-03-08 12:35:31 PM
36% Anti-Isreal thread
37% Pro-Israel Thread
27% Foodie Thread

Hm.

MOAR RECIPES
 
2013-03-08 12:37:25 PM

Magorn: Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew

Locusts are extremely Kosher, and actualy , alongside honey, the go-to food for wild men and prophets like John the Baptist.


I think you are a foodie.  Any reason the dark chocolate and the picture show them with legs on?  I woudl think you take the wings/legs off?
 
2013-03-08 12:38:23 PM
Yawn. Call me when the rivers turn to blood.
 
2013-03-08 12:38:32 PM
Pharaoh Netenyahu's first-born son seen getting nervous.
 
2013-03-08 12:38:33 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

I thought this is what a koser foodie pic looked like?
 
2013-03-08 12:39:48 PM
Wonder if Palestinians are kosher?....
 
2013-03-08 12:43:29 PM

Fano: Let my people go


Funny thing

There's absolutely no objective evidence that the Jews were ever even in Egypt, and a similar amount of evidence (zero) that they were enslaved by the Egyptians.

Which makes a lot of Judaism, and by extension Christianity (And Islam, I suppose) really, really silly. Well, even in the context of religious logic.
 
2013-03-08 12:44:56 PM

liam76: Magorn: Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew

Locusts are extremely Kosher, and actualy , alongside honey, the go-to food for wild men and prophets like John the Baptist.

I think you are a foodie.  Any reason the dark chocolate and the picture show them with legs on?  I woudl think you take the wings/legs off?


According to Les Stroude you should take the legs off. Pull the head off to pull out the guts. Also cook thoroughly, they are known to carry tapeworms.
 
2013-03-08 12:47:17 PM
 
2013-03-08 12:49:38 PM

barefoot in the head: Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew

They are "parve". Neutral.


A bit of googling tells me "parve" means it contains no meat or dairy products.

I think insects are technically meat.

And I'm a curious Gentile as well.

Some quick googling suggests 39 lashes is the proper punishment, but according to Slate, most Jews now leave the punishment up to God. Unknowingly eating non-kosher is apparently forgivable = according to some sources anyways

Of course. The punishment for violating kosher dietary laws has changed dramatically over the past few thousand years. The Torah imposes karet on those who consume animal blood or fat from around the organs of cows, sheep, or goats. The meaning of karet is disputed-in ancient times, it may have meant banishment, capital punishment, or a divinely imposed execution sometime before the age of 60. The Torah doesn't specify punishments for other violations of its dietary laws, but the Talmud, which was written at least a millennium later, declares that anyone who fails to keep kosher in any way should be subject to makkot, or 39 lashes. (By some interpretations, the violator was only punished if the non-kosher morsel was olive-sized or larger.) Jewish communities seem to have beaten or flogged culinary delinquents until at least the end of the first millennium A.D. Later on, from the 17th to 19th centuries, some Jews in Eastern Europe forced violators to stand in a large box just outside the synagogue with their faces exposed, so those who passed through the doors could spit at them.
Modern Jewish communities have given up these earthly sanctions, leaving it to God to punish violators in the olam ha-ba, or world to come. That may not be such a good thing, though. Some Jewish philosophers considered corporal punishments like makkot to be gifts from God, because they could save people from more severe divine penalties. How exactly God punishes violators of the kosher laws is a matter of conjecture. Some scholars speculate that it involves a period of spiritual cleansing in gehinnom, the Jewish version of hell, while others believe God may permanently destroy the souls of serial offenders.


A different source claimed that some Jews who were only given the option of eating pork chose to starve themselves to death instead.

Any Jewish people want to weigh in? And whatever happened to that Jewish person who used to post here fairly frequently?
 
2013-03-08 12:50:36 PM
+1 subby, I enjoyed that headline
 
2013-03-08 12:50:50 PM
"Can you imagine what an impact it would make if Jews were known not for exploiting animals in factory-farming and indulging in massive gastronomic excesses, but instead for adopting a more environmentally and animal-friendly approach?"

You'd still be condemned for encouaging the bugs to breed irresponsibly, just to have enough for everyone to eat.

/the Jews aren't hated for anything they've done
//they're hated because it's funny to watch them struggle to remain in the world's good graces, especially when given a clearly impossible task to perform and threatened with extermination if they fail
///if only they wouldn't keep finding ways to accomplish those impossible tasks by resorting to methods we disapprove of, we would get along fine
 
2013-03-08 12:51:23 PM
When life gives you locusts, say "fark the locusts," and bail.
 
2013-03-08 12:51:36 PM

Evil Canadian: This is a repeat from last week.http://www.fark.com/comments/7622789/Egypt-struck-by-a-plague-of -locus ts-ahead-of-Passover-This-is-not-a-repeat-of-1446-BC

It's still interesting tho.


well actually the plague that hit Egypt has now moved, as plagues are wont to , over to Israel , so not an actual repeat.  Still If'n I was an Egyptian, and a first born male, I think I'd make plans to be out of the country at the end of the month..ya know, just in case...
 
2013-03-08 12:53:09 PM
I'd eat pretty much anything seasoned and honey-spiced.
 
2013-03-08 12:53:11 PM

big pig peaches: liam76: Magorn: Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew

Locusts are extremely Kosher, and actualy , alongside honey, the go-to food for wild men and prophets like John the Baptist.

I think you are a foodie.  Any reason the dark chocolate and the picture show them with legs on?  I woudl think you take the wings/legs off?

According to Les Stroude you should take the legs off. Pull the head off to pull out the guts. Also cook thoroughly, they are known to carry tapeworms.


Never would have guessed that...
 
2013-03-08 12:56:03 PM
Once upon a time, it used to be pretty clear when your deity was trying to send a message when he sent a swarm of locusts at your people.  It's not manna from heaven to sustain you, it's locusts.
 
2013-03-08 12:59:32 PM

LavenderWolf: There's absolutely no objective evidence that the Jews were ever even in Egypt, and a similar amount of evidence (zero) that they were enslaved by the Egyptians.


I'm not saying they were ever there, but the lack of evidence was once explained to me as a result of the Egyptians not caring much to document their losses.

We also lost a lot of history when the library of Alexandria was burned.

A couple of other points to consider.

Given the geography, it's hard to imagine that the ancient Israelites didn't at least have some contact with the Egyptians.

And while the story as documented in the Bible may be horribly twisted and inaccurate, usually such things have at least some traces of truth. I sort of doubt that Moses really parted the Red Sea, but was there a guy who lived named Moses? I suspect there probably was.
Also, bear in mind that we can't even agree on how the pyramids were built and that has been studied to death. Some people even say it was aliens and they do so with a straight face even if their hair tells us they are crazy.
 
2013-03-08 12:59:55 PM
Locust plague today, great fishing tomorrow.
 
2013-03-08 01:00:57 PM
Or Israelis could simply look to Thailand, where fried grasshoppers are often served as a crunchy treat. According to urban legend, the insects first appeared on Thai dinner plates after a plague of locusts descended on local farms a few decades ago.

I think the real pattern is Thais eat lots of bugs.
 
2013-03-08 01:04:35 PM
Is a foodee better or worse than a foodie?
 
2013-03-08 01:06:39 PM

Magorn: well actually the plague that hit Egypt has now moved, as plagues are wont to , over to Israel , so not an actual repeat.  Still If'n I was an Egyptian, and a first born male, I think I'd make plans to be out of the country at the end of the month..ya know, just in case...


Wouldn't it be simpler to just sacrifice a lamb and put it's blood around your door?

Then again, If I were Egyptian I'd probably want to get the hell out of there. (Until I looked at how things are going in Libya and Syria and just being Arab in Israel).

Hmm....I just thought of something. I wonder if one of my former co-workers (who was Egyptian) can go back due to the change in government. He told me he would get arrested if he did because he was a draft dodger.
 
2013-03-08 01:12:18 PM

Happy Hours: LavenderWolf: There's absolutely no objective evidence that the Jews were ever even in Egypt, and a similar amount of evidence (zero) that they were enslaved by the Egyptians.

I'm not saying they were ever there, but the lack of evidence was once explained to me as a result of the Egyptians not caring much to document their losses.

We also lost a lot of history when the library of Alexandria was burned.

A couple of other points to consider.

Given the geography, it's hard to imagine that the ancient Israelites didn't at least have some contact with the Egyptians.

And while the story as documented in the Bible may be horribly twisted and inaccurate, usually such things have at least some traces of truth. I sort of doubt that Moses really parted the Red Sea, but was there a guy who lived named Moses? I suspect there probably was.
Also, bear in mind that we can't even agree on how the pyramids were built and that has been studied to death. Some people even say it was aliens and they do so with a straight face even if their hair tells us they are crazy.


Well and the Egyptians also had a bad habit of doing Soviet -style history revisions when things didn't go their way, up to an including chiseling names off monuments and the like.   We do know of Egyptian records that refer to of nomadic peoples living on the fringes of their empire as  "Habiru" and various texts suggest they were either migrant farm workers, slaves, or hired mercenaries.  Frankly that's close enough to count as documentary evidence of what the bible describes as migrant nomads who called themselves "Hebrews".

Personally I think it is no accident that in just about the same time as the Biblical exodus is supposed to have taken place, Egypt was in turmoil after the collapse of Pharoh Anhknaten's monotheistic cult and the abanonment of the new capital city he built in the desert.   Especially given the Biblical traditions that Moses (Egyptian for "son of" ) was an Egyptain Prince, I think it's entirely possible that the core historical nucleus of the Biblical exodus account may have come from an emigration/explusion of the remnant of "true believers" and Anhknaten loyalists after the traditional Egyptian priests regained control of the state.
 
2013-03-08 01:16:36 PM

liam76: big pig peaches: liam76: Magorn: Nuclear Monk: So is the consequence of eating non-kosher food?  Is there come kind of atonement/confession that must be made?  Does Judaism even have that?

/curious non-Jew

Locusts are extremely Kosher, and actualy , alongside honey, the go-to food for wild men and prophets like John the Baptist.

I think you are a foodie.  Any reason the dark chocolate and the picture show them with legs on?  I woudl think you take the wings/legs off?

According to Les Stroude you should take the legs off. Pull the head off to pull out the guts. Also cook thoroughly, they are known to carry tapeworms.

Never would have guessed that...


Tapeworms, flukes, funguses, all sorts of parasites happily use locusts as carriers for the more infectious stages of their life cycle.

/and they're not as picky about which species of warm-blooded mammal they hatch in as "experts" would like you to believe
//but someone has to sacrifice their health for the sake of environmental guilt, and it's not going to be the "experts" themselves
 
2013-03-08 01:16:54 PM
The antenna tickle on the way down.
 
2013-03-08 01:17:12 PM
Jesus that headline was hard to read.

"Foodees?" Really?
 
2013-03-08 01:18:53 PM

Happy Hours: Any Jewish people want to weigh in? And whatever happened to that Jewish person who used to post here fairly frequently?


Mostly, they gave up lashes at the end of the Talmudic period (first millennium CE/AD). The punishment is for "knowingly eating a morsel* of non-kosher food" - in the Talmudic period, you'd have to have been warned by two witnesses "in a single voice" what crime you're about to commit and what the punishment is, and you respond immediately that you know all that and don't care.

That's for "official" punishment, but as mentioned, there are any number of extrajudicial means of extracting compliance.

And grasshoppers of a specific type are kosher, but many (most?) opinions don't name it - supposedly, which exact species/family/whatever is kosher was a tradition that was lost when Jewry left the MidEast (along with which animal produces the techelet dye). If I'm not mistaken, bugs would be "pareve" - not dairy (obviously), and not "animal meat" (chicken is technically "pareve", but they made a ruling about 1,000 years ago that, since chicken is a "delicacy", it should be treated like beef - again, technically, only "animal meat" is "meat", and birds don't count as "animals").

// I'm skipping over large sections, AMA

*"morsels" are usually defined as either olive- or egg-sized portions; several ounces (they use a very large olive)
 
2013-03-08 01:25:22 PM

Dr Dreidel: Happy Hours: Any Jewish people want to weigh in? And whatever happened to that Jewish person who used to post here fairly frequently?

Mostly, they gave up lashes at the end of the Talmudic period (first millennium CE/AD). The punishment is for "knowingly eating a morsel* of non-kosher food" - in the Talmudic period, you'd have to have been warned by two witnesses "in a single voice" what crime you're about to commit and what the punishment is, and you respond immediately that you know all that and don't care.

That's for "official" punishment, but as mentioned, there are any number of extrajudicial means of extracting compliance.

And grasshoppers of a specific type are kosher, but many (most?) opinions don't name it - supposedly, which exact species/family/whatever is kosher was a tradition that was lost when Jewry left the MidEast (along with which animal produces the techelet dye). If I'm not mistaken, bugs would be "pareve" - not dairy (obviously), and not "animal meat" (chicken is technically "pareve", but they made a ruling about 1,000 years ago that, since chicken is a "delicacy", it should be treated like beef - again, technically, only "animal meat" is "meat", and birds don't count as "animals").

// I'm skipping over large sections, AMA

*"morsels" are usually defined as either olive- or egg-sized portions; several ounces (they use a very large olive)


You know for all that Leviticus is full of punishements and death sentences for even minor offenses like mixing fabrics on your clothes, I seem to recall reading that these sorts of punishments were rarely , if ever, actually carried out. In fact isn'years was regarded as a "bloody" one?
 
2013-03-08 01:33:01 PM
Except for the Kosher issues, I'm surprised that the Jewish calender is the only living Babylonian calender in the 21st century.
 
2013-03-08 01:35:47 PM
Isn't the one good thing about living in a fantasy world the fact that you get to make shiat up to suit you? Just wave your goofy hat and shake your greasy curls and say whatever magic words you say to make it kosher to covet thy neighbors land.
 
2013-03-08 01:37:53 PM
www.jonathanrosenbaum.com
 
2013-03-08 01:43:07 PM

Magorn: In fact isn'years was regarded as a "bloody" one?


A court that carried out more than one death sentence in a generation (~70 years) was considered "bloody", yes. I don't know about lashes, though.
 
2013-03-08 01:46:53 PM
News flash: If god exists, he's a real asshole who might just punish you for no reason at all, so eat whatever you like and be nice to each other.

Happy Hours: And whatever happened to that Jewish person who used to post here fairly frequently?


The Israeli state decided that paying him to come in here and shill like a motherfarker/take over any thread remotely related to Israel, Judaism or Zionism was a poor investment, because everyone here was real tired of his shiat and he just represented Jews really poorly.  What an unpleasant individual, don't miss him one bit.
 
2013-03-08 01:50:24 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Or Israelis could simply look to Thailand, where fried grasshoppers are often served as a crunchy treat. According to urban legend, the insects first appeared on Thai dinner plates after a plague of locusts descended on local farms a few decades ago.

I think the real pattern is Thais eat lots of bugs.


Thailand is the only place I've eaten locusts.  Fried and salted and covered in a sweet/spicy/sour coating.  So freakin' good.
 
2013-03-08 02:07:51 PM

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: In fact isn'years was regarded as a "bloody" one?

A court that carried out more than one death sentence in a generation (~70 years) was considered "bloody", yes. I don't know about lashes, though.


that what I orginally posted but it seems fark ate half my post, glad you still knew WTF I was talking about
 
2013-03-08 02:11:36 PM

No Such Agency: The Israeli state decided that paying him to come in here and shill like a motherfarker/take over any thread remotely related to Israel, Judaism or Zionism was a poor investment, because everyone here was real tired of his shiat and he just represented Jews really poorly.


Still, it showed that AI has moved on a bit - just a bit - since the days of Serdar Argic.

/getoffmylawn
 
2013-03-08 02:12:31 PM
Leviticus is one of the books of the Torah, so saying that Leviticus and the Torah are divided is like saying that the letter B and the alphabet are divided.
 
2013-03-08 02:25:15 PM

Happy Hours: A bit of googling tells me "parve" means it contains no meat or dairy products.

I think insects are technically meat.


fish are parve (kosher fish that is)
 
2013-03-08 02:28:39 PM
A "foodee"? Like someone who's on the receiving end of food?
 
2013-03-08 03:08:08 PM
Came here expecting a thread of Andrew Zimmern photos.

Fark, you are slipping.
 
2013-03-08 03:17:38 PM
When the red river begins to flow, will they now accept taking the dirt road home?
 
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