Free Radical: So Sovereign Citizens think they can just steal shiat?
dukeblue219: ursomniac: Tea Party utopiaFor what it's worth, the Sovereign Citizens are way out of the Tea Party's league. I like your Truman Show idea, but know that the Tea Party utopia would still have a functioning government, judicial system, municipal services, still have cops, and probably still have taxes too. The Sovereign Citizens are wayyyyy crazier, if you can believe it.
Silverstaff: Glockenspiel Hero: Wait, a black female sovereign citizen? My head assplode.Derp knows no limits of color and sex.This specific derp being in that type is a little unusual, to be sure, but it's not like it couldn't happen.That said, I always have a special mixture of scorn and pity for "sovereign citizens", they are to the law and government what TimeCube Guy is to physics, Jenny McCarthy and her fellow anti-vaxers are to medicine,Truthers are to history, and Young Earth Creationists are to archaeology.My favorite rebuttal to their arguments is to ask two questions:1. Where is a "sovereign citizen" who actually won in the long term? Yeah, they can use lawsuits and liens and such to drag things out, but in the end they always get smacked down, HARD, by the system for all kinds of fraud, tax evasion and such. Name one guy who's actually pulled off this scam and had the courts back it up and forced the government to bow to his "sovereignty".2. If, huge if, this actually worked, why wouldn't more people do it? You think if this worked that lawyers and judges wouldn't use it themselves? Some super-secret backdoor way to ignore any laws you don't like, then why wouldn't lots of people use it, and why did you have to hear about it on some backwater of the internet or buy some guys book or go to his seminar or something. Ever notice that the people trying to get other people to do this have a financial incentive to do so?
Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.
Russad: Bungles: Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?Aren't they based on flight risk?I get the impression that someone who thinks they are not subject to the laws is probably a pretty high risk.
Person: Yarn is not hair.
Last Man on Earth: Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.Yeah, I'm kind of hoping I'll run in to a few, they seem like so much fun to watch.
NightOwl2255: They must have edited the article, or subby needs to see a shrink.
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