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(WREG Memphis)   For the record, filing fraudulent papers and pretending banks aren't real will not give you the right to squat in a $3 million house, nor will it let you run over police officers, Miss Soverign Citizen   (wreg.com) divider line 21
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2013-03-08 08:53:59 AM
3 votes:
Wait, a black female sovereign citizen?  My head assplode.
2013-03-08 09:40:42 AM
2 votes:
Sovereign citizens should be collectively be stuffed in a rowboats with all their guns and towed out past the territorial waters limit and told "good luck and godspeed"
2013-03-08 08:56:07 AM
2 votes:
I love a good sovereign citizen thread. Something about watching the simultaneously ignorant and arrogant being brutalized reassures me that eventually everything will work out in the end.


/it won't work out in the end
//I'll be dead long before the end though
2013-03-08 11:46:07 PM
1 votes:

Free Radical: So Sovereign Citizens think they can just steal shiat?


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Sovereign thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants, including taking on the Citadel.
2013-03-08 02:38:39 PM
1 votes:

dukeblue219: ursomniac: Tea Party utopia

For what it's worth, the Sovereign Citizens are way out of the Tea Party's league. I like your Truman Show idea, but know that the Tea Party utopia would still have a functioning government, judicial system, municipal services, still have cops, and probably still have taxes too. The Sovereign Citizens are wayyyyy crazier, if you can believe it.


True.  I didn't mean to conflate the two so sloppily.

But, like Disney World areas we can have as many of these as we want!   Come see Sovereign Land, then board the Tea Party Express to watch the Tea Party-ers in action!

And - while we're at it we can build Randville: the Libertarian paradise, Ultra-Liberal World, Jesusburgh,  Xenuplatz, etc.

It's a win-win.   On the (off-)chance that any of their fundamentalist (small 'f') philosophies show unmitigated success, then we can all benefit from adopting them!     Meanwhile we can watch to see if and how quickly their micro-societies implode.
2013-03-08 10:46:21 AM
1 votes:
OK - so let them have their little sovereign fiefdom.   Cut off the utilities (let them generate their own), and require a visa whenever they want to cross the border of their sovereign property into the US.

Basically treat the boundary as if it were a national boundary with all of the restrictions at the border.

Of course to PAY for all of this, the visa fees would likely be incredibly expensive...   :-)

I'm still of the opinion that we should actually GIVE these people their own little micro-country, and treat it as a "Truman Show"-like reality series.   Let them have their Tea Party utopia as long as the rest of us get to watch as a lesson as to why living in a community comes with fundamental costs.   Hell, the side betting ALONE could be interesting.
2013-03-08 10:25:36 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Glockenspiel Hero: Wait, a black female sovereign citizen?  My head assplode.

Derp knows no limits of color and sex.

This specific derp being in that type is a little unusual, to be sure, but it's not like it couldn't happen.

That said, I always have a special mixture of scorn and pity for "sovereign citizens", they are to the law and government what TimeCube Guy is to physics, Jenny McCarthy and her fellow anti-vaxers are to medicine,Truthers are to history, and Young Earth Creationists are to archaeology.

My favorite rebuttal to their arguments is to ask two questions:
1. Where is a "sovereign citizen" who actually won in the long term?  Yeah, they can use lawsuits and liens and such to drag things out, but in the end they always get smacked down, HARD, by the system for all kinds of fraud, tax evasion and such.  Name one guy who's actually pulled off this scam and had the courts back it up and forced the government to bow to his "sovereignty".

2. If, huge if, this actually worked, why wouldn't more people do it?  You think if this worked that lawyers and judges wouldn't use it themselves?  Some super-secret backdoor way to ignore any laws you don't like, then why wouldn't lots of people use it, and why did you have to hear about it on some backwater of the internet or buy some guys book or go to his seminar or something.  Ever notice that the people trying to get other people to do this have a financial incentive to do so?


well, my response to a brother in law twice removed (how do you describe the stranger who married your sister in law?) who borders on sovereign citizen / conspiracy theorist / nut job is pretty simple.

I just say, you know, ignorance of the law is not a valid defense... so, just keep that in mind if you plan on acting on any of your ideas.  oh yeah, and call me. you will need me if you ever go forward with this idea.

/ I'm a lawyer.  so far my commentary has motivated him to stop talking about this shiat around me.  I used to engage him and explain how wrong, legally, his opinion was.  then i just thought, fark it.  maybe i'll get a client.  he's got money.
// the fringed flags admiralty thing really makes me giggle.  since I have done admiralty law cases and I really like admiralty law.  despite what psychopaths think, it's pretty much just tort and contract law that's unique to the open seas.  but, you get to say "admiralty" so you don't feel like an ambulance chaser.
2013-03-08 10:08:58 AM
1 votes:
America has a policy regarding unwanted sovereigns. Something about shooting from behind trees and rocks and everywhere while they wear red and walk in a straight line.
2013-03-08 10:05:29 AM
1 votes:
Just what we need. A Moorish princess.

Funny, she doesn't look Moorish.
2013-03-08 10:01:16 AM
1 votes:
And here's your Valuable Lesson of the DayTM, kiddies: being stupid never, ever helps.
2013-03-08 09:49:58 AM
1 votes:

Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.


Why not?  Referring to Judges as "your Honor" is clearly a violation of Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution (Title of Nobility Clause).  Any judge that makes decisions because defendants refer to a judge as, "Mr." and not "your Honor" should have his/her ruling immediately overturned and be censured based on this clause.

Of course, we know this clause in the Constitution has never been interpreted correctly and never will, because only judges themselves can make that determination.  Would they really intentionally take the luster of an important sounding title away from themselves?
2013-03-08 09:45:09 AM
1 votes:

Russad: Bungles: Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?

Aren't they based on flight risk?

I get the impression that someone who thinks they are not subject to the laws is probably a pretty high risk.


And a guy with no legs is a low one?
2013-03-08 09:42:38 AM
1 votes:

Person: Yarn is not hair.


That's Raggedy Annecist?
2013-03-08 09:40:32 AM
1 votes:

Last Man on Earth: Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.

Yeah, I'm kind of hoping I'll run in to a few, they seem like so much fun to watch.


Oh but they are!  I ran into one in my time.  He was charged with multiple counts of theft of utilities and theft by deception.  Various utilities had cut him off for nonpayment and he would go back out and hook them up again on his "compound", which consisted of two houses and a shed on the same lot.  He had declared his lot sovereign land and not subject to taxes, penalties, or apparently utility payments.  He called everyone (including the judge and the police) by their first names.  His women and him kept repeating that they didn't recognize the authority of the court or the so-called government and refused to answer questions and were belligerent.  So, it ended with the man being sentenced to 3 years for theft and the property condemned.

So yeah, they are a good time all around.
2013-03-08 09:38:24 AM
1 votes:
I'M A BOAT LOL
2013-03-08 09:01:20 AM
1 votes:

Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.


Yeah, I'm kind of hoping I'll run in to a few, they seem like so much fun to watch.
2013-03-08 08:58:08 AM
1 votes:
i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.
2013-03-08 08:57:53 AM
1 votes:
Some come here to shiat on the floor,
some come here to tarry,
some come here to shiat on the floor,
I come here
2013-03-08 08:56:58 AM
1 votes:
Yarn is not hair.
2013-03-08 08:50:52 AM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: They must have edited the article, or subby needs to see a shrink.


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2013-03-08 07:38:14 AM
1 votes:
Was hoping it was Miss Teen Delaware...
 
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