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(WREG Memphis)   For the record, filing fraudulent papers and pretending banks aren't real will not give you the right to squat in a $3 million house, nor will it let you run over police officers, Miss Soverign Citizen   (wreg.com) divider line 169
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2013-03-08 07:38:14 AM
Was hoping it was Miss Teen Delaware...
 
2013-03-08 08:47:35 AM
"Gentry was taken into custody without incident and the child is safe with police."

Whar run over police? WHAR?
 
2013-03-08 08:48:51 AM
They must have edited the article, or subby needs to see a shrink.
 
2013-03-08 08:50:31 AM
Vacancy!
 
2013-03-08 08:50:52 AM

NightOwl2255: They must have edited the article, or subby needs to see a shrink.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-08 08:53:59 AM
Wait, a black female sovereign citizen?  My head assplode.
 
2013-03-08 08:54:56 AM

sno man: "Gentry was taken into custody without incident and the child is safe with police."

Whar run over police? WHAR?


Not subby but this has been all over the local news. She tried to run a couple of cops down after a traffic stop and was awaiting trial while the whole squatting thing happened.

The house was just down the street from Fred Smiths (owner of fedex) house.
 
2013-03-08 08:56:07 AM
I love a good sovereign citizen thread. Something about watching the simultaneously ignorant and arrogant being brutalized reassures me that eventually everything will work out in the end.


/it won't work out in the end
//I'll be dead long before the end though
 
2013-03-08 08:56:58 AM
Yarn is not hair.
 
2013-03-08 08:57:53 AM
Some come here to shiat on the floor,
some come here to tarry,
some come here to shiat on the floor,
I come here
 
2013-03-08 08:58:08 AM
i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.
 
2013-03-08 09:00:15 AM
We're told sheriffs were preparing to move into the home...

Very poor choice of words, considering...
 
2013-03-08 09:01:20 AM

Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.


Yeah, I'm kind of hoping I'll run in to a few, they seem like so much fun to watch.
 
2013-03-08 09:01:26 AM

Benjamin Orr: sno man: "Gentry was taken into custody without incident and the child is safe with police."

Whar run over police? WHAR?

Not subby but this has been all over the local news. She tried to run a couple of cops down after a traffic stop and was awaiting trial while the whole squatting thing happened.

The house was just down the street from Fred Smiths (owner of fedex) house.


I suspected as much, but this six sentence "article" has no mention of it, for those of us non local types.
 
2013-03-08 09:01:36 AM
Wait, I thought David Bowie was the sovereign?

/Get the Venture brothers back on TV now got dang it!
 
2013-03-08 09:06:15 AM
Would rather have pictures of this $3 million house, than pictures of the suspect...
 
2013-03-08 09:06:28 AM

Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.


Me too, way back in the day.

Idiot- "That flag has gold fringe on it.  That makes it a flag of war.  I will not present myself before this court as long as that flag is displayed."

Judge- "Deputy..."
 
2013-03-08 09:10:32 AM
She's not "Moorish"?
 
2013-03-08 09:11:53 AM
Oooooo

I LOVE these threads

Woman rebels against banks (left YAY right BOO). Woman is part of the sovereign citizen movement (left BOO right YAY)
 
2013-03-08 09:12:47 AM
So Sovereign Citizens think they can just steal shiat?
 
2013-03-08 09:14:54 AM

Koalaesq: Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.


That doing so has an effect upon a judge's decisions reflects more poorly upon the judge than the defendant.
 
2013-03-08 09:19:26 AM

This text is now purple: Koalaesq: Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.

That doing so has an effect upon a judge's decisions reflects more poorly upon the judge than the defendant.


He/she never said it had any effect on the decision.  Decorum in a court room is important.  Intentional disrespect of the presiding official is contempt, and rightly so.
 
2013-03-08 09:19:41 AM
Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?
 
2013-03-08 09:24:39 AM

Free Radical: So Sovereign Citizens think they can just steal shiat?


Well, from what I've gathered, they think they can steal shiat and get away with it if they some magical pass phrases in the proper order. To them, their legal sounding arguments have the effect of nullifying commonly accepted authorities (like judges, cops, attorneys, and what not).

They don't seem to grasp that, ultimately, all political authority rests upon the ability and willingness to use violence. Or maybe I'm misreading them and its just a huge bluff on their part. If so, then they aren't catching on that everyone is calling their collective bluff.
 
2013-03-08 09:28:20 AM
Fine, Mr. Knowitall what will?
 
2013-03-08 09:30:16 AM

neversubmit: Fine, Mr. Knowitall what will?


A trust fund and a rich daddy.
 
2013-03-08 09:32:57 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Wait, a black female sovereign citizen?  My head assplode.


Derp knows no limits of color and sex.

This specific derp being in that type is a little unusual, to be sure, but it's not like it couldn't happen.

That said, I always have a special mixture of scorn and pity for "sovereign citizens", they are to the law and government what TimeCube Guy is to physics, Jenny McCarthy and her fellow anti-vaxers are to medicine,Truthers are to history, and Young Earth Creationists are to archaeology.

My favorite rebuttal to their arguments is to ask two questions:
1. Where is a "sovereign citizen" who actually won in the long term?  Yeah, they can use lawsuits and liens and such to drag things out, but in the end they always get smacked down, HARD, by the system for all kinds of fraud, tax evasion and such.  Name one guy who's actually pulled off this scam and had the courts back it up and forced the government to bow to his "sovereignty".

2. If, huge if, this actually worked, why wouldn't more people do it?  You think if this worked that lawyers and judges wouldn't use it themselves?  Some super-secret backdoor way to ignore any laws you don't like, then why wouldn't lots of people use it, and why did you have to hear about it on some backwater of the internet or buy some guys book or go to his seminar or something.  Ever notice that the people trying to get other people to do this have a financial incentive to do so?
 
2013-03-08 09:36:06 AM

kudayta: They don't seem to grasp that, ultimately, all political authority rests upon the ability and willingness to use violence.


I wonder how many "Sovereign Citizen" types are also Second Amendment fans who hold on to the idea of using guns to rise up against the government one day, or who advocated "Second Amendment Solutions" or held up signs at rallies that said "We came Unarmed, this time" (that is, they advocate political violence in other places, but never think that it could be used against them and they can use the right magical-legal phrases to make the big government bow to their wishes).
 
2013-03-08 09:36:48 AM
 
2013-03-08 09:36:50 AM
Stealing and lying and harming others =/= "sovereign".

You know what happens to "sovereign" nations that do the same thing?  They get bombed.  Why would an individual think they would get off better?
 
2013-03-08 09:38:24 AM
I'M A BOAT LOL
 
2013-03-08 09:38:26 AM

kudayta: Free Radical: So Sovereign Citizens think they can just steal shiat?

Well, from what I've gathered, they think they can steal shiat and get away with it if they some magical pass phrases in the proper order. To them, their legal sounding arguments have the effect of nullifying commonly accepted authorities (like judges, cops, attorneys, and what not).

They don't seem to grasp that, ultimately, all political authority rests upon the ability and willingness to use violence. Or maybe I'm misreading them and its just a huge bluff on their part. If so, then they aren't catching on that everyone is calling their collective bluff.


I don't agree with you on the violence thing by any means, but in general, it is a case of knowing that legal arguments work without having any clue WHY they work.  Several posters have referred to it as cargo-cult law, and that's the best way I've hard of phrasing it.  Absent any actual knowledge of how statutes, case law, and precedent function, they basically think they can find any little detail that's "off" and frame it as a legal technicality to get around the law.  They post their "discoveries" online, where other sovereign citizens see the revelation, adopt it, and post their own in turn.  In so doing, the framework of a philosophy is formed, with each person having a hodgepodge of half-baked notions reinforced by each other.  It's actually very similar to the way conspiracy theories develop legs of their own over the internet.
 
2013-03-08 09:39:04 AM

Bungles: Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?


And threatening cops, but admittedly your version is more provocative.
 
2013-03-08 09:40:32 AM

Last Man on Earth: Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.

Yeah, I'm kind of hoping I'll run in to a few, they seem like so much fun to watch.


Oh but they are!  I ran into one in my time.  He was charged with multiple counts of theft of utilities and theft by deception.  Various utilities had cut him off for nonpayment and he would go back out and hook them up again on his "compound", which consisted of two houses and a shed on the same lot.  He had declared his lot sovereign land and not subject to taxes, penalties, or apparently utility payments.  He called everyone (including the judge and the police) by their first names.  His women and him kept repeating that they didn't recognize the authority of the court or the so-called government and refused to answer questions and were belligerent.  So, it ended with the man being sentenced to 3 years for theft and the property condemned.

So yeah, they are a good time all around.
 
2013-03-08 09:40:42 AM
Sovereign citizens should be collectively be stuffed in a rowboats with all their guns and towed out past the territorial waters limit and told "good luck and godspeed"
 
2013-03-08 09:42:38 AM

Person: Yarn is not hair.


That's Raggedy Annecist?
 
2013-03-08 09:43:01 AM

illannoyin: Wait, I thought David Bowie was the sovereign?

/Get the Venture brothers back on TV now got dang it!


When they rolled out Klaus Nomi in that episode, you knew the writers were hardcore.
 
2013-03-08 09:44:08 AM

Bungles: Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?


Aren't they based on flight risk?

I get the impression that someone who thinks they are not subject to the laws is probably a pretty high risk.
 
2013-03-08 09:45:00 AM
But, but, but, but, but....they have their own web page!

FBI || Domestic Terrorism: The Sovereign Citizen Movement
(fbi.gov)
04/13/10
 
2013-03-08 09:45:09 AM

Russad: Bungles: Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?

Aren't they based on flight risk?

I get the impression that someone who thinks they are not subject to the laws is probably a pretty high risk.


And a guy with no legs is a low one?
 
2013-03-08 09:47:57 AM

Bondith: Russad: Bungles: Wait, a bail bond for non-violent squatting that's 25 times the amount than Pistorius got for shooting his girlfriend in the head?

Aren't they based on flight risk?

I get the impression that someone who thinks they are not subject to the laws is probably a pretty high risk.

And a guy with no legs is a low one?


I guess you missed the Olympics then?
 
2013-03-08 09:49:05 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Wait, a black female sovereign citizen?  My head assplode.


Let me just remind you that Curtis Got Slapped by a White Teacher.
 
2013-03-08 09:49:24 AM

Bondith: I get the impression that someone who thinks they are not subject to the laws is probaly a pretty high risk.


They don't recognize the government, laws, banks etc. then she says she won't talk about it cause it's a legal matter.
how does that work?
 
2013-03-08 09:49:46 AM

Last Man on Earth: kudayta: Free Radical: So Sovereign Citizens think they can just steal shiat?

Well, from what I've gathered, they think they can steal shiat and get away with it if they some magical pass phrases in the proper order. To them, their legal sounding arguments have the effect of nullifying commonly accepted authorities (like judges, cops, attorneys, and what not).

They don't seem to grasp that, ultimately, all political authority rests upon the ability and willingness to use violence. Or maybe I'm misreading them and its just a huge bluff on their part. If so, then they aren't catching on that everyone is calling their collective bluff.

I don't agree with you on the violence thing by any means, but in general, it is a case of knowing that legal arguments work without having any clue WHY they work.  Several posters have referred to it as cargo-cult law, and that's the best way I've hard of phrasing it.  Absent any actual knowledge of how statutes, case law, and precedent function, they basically think they can find any little detail that's "off" and frame it as a legal technicality to get around the law.  They post their "discoveries" online, where other sovereign citizens see the revelation, adopt it, and post their own in turn.  In so doing, the framework of a philosophy is formed, with each person having a hodgepodge of half-baked notions reinforced by each other.  It's actually very similar to the way conspiracy theories develop legs of their own over the internet.


I'm on my phone right now and can't break down the whole violence argument for you. I suspect though that we largely agree on the foundations of political power, but use different language to describe the same phenomena.

Also, please keep in mind, I don't think that violence ought to be the fundamental principle of politics, merely that it is. Today. I'm hoping we can change that by next week.
 
2013-03-08 09:49:47 AM
Yes, of course the whole "sovereign citizen" thing is a scam, but who cares?
Why are so many people so fiercely eager to cheer on banks and govt squashing someone from staying in a house no one is using?
 
2013-03-08 09:49:58 AM

Koalaesq: i've been up against Sovereign Citizens in court. They are scarily deluded people. Although watching the Judge's face when the "sovereign" referred to him as "Mr." and not "your Honor" was worth the price of admission.


Why not?  Referring to Judges as "your Honor" is clearly a violation of Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution (Title of Nobility Clause).  Any judge that makes decisions because defendants refer to a judge as, "Mr." and not "your Honor" should have his/her ruling immediately overturned and be censured based on this clause.

Of course, we know this clause in the Constitution has never been interpreted correctly and never will, because only judges themselves can make that determination.  Would they really intentionally take the luster of an important sounding title away from themselves?
 
2013-03-08 09:51:16 AM

Silverstaff: kudayta: They don't seem to grasp that, ultimately, all political authority rests upon the ability and willingness to use violence.

I wonder how many "Sovereign Citizen" types are also Second Amendment fans who hold on to the idea of using guns to rise up against the government one day, or who advocated "Second Amendment Solutions" or held up signs at rallies that said "We came Unarmed, this time" (that is, they advocate political violence in other places, but never think that it could be used against them and they can use the right magical-legal phrases to make the big government bow to their wishes).


Indeed, cognitive dissonance is a hallmark of the diseased mind
 
2013-03-08 09:56:25 AM

doubled99: Yes, of course the whole "sovereign citizen" thing is a scam, but who cares?
Why are so many people so fiercely eager to cheer on banks and govt squashing someone from staying in a house no one is using?


Because the sovereign citizen mopes are simultaneously ignorant and arrogant.

/Schadenfreude is chocolate cake for the soul.
//Shamelessly stole that line from another farker whose name I can't recall.
 
2013-03-08 09:56:28 AM

kudayta: I'm on my phone right now and can't break down the whole violence argument for you. I suspect though that we largely agree on the foundations of political power, but use different language to describe the same phenomena.


Entirely possible, it's just that that whole line of phrasing has been so co-opted by the "taxation is theft at gunpoint" mentality that I find myself reflexively running away from it.  You may well be correct that we frame the same thing in different ways, however.
 
2013-03-08 09:57:16 AM
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