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2013-03-08 12:02:12 AM
I'm OK with that. I could drink at 18 back in the early 70s. And, no, kids haven't changed that much since I was 18.

/They're still smokin' joints, aren't they?
 
2013-03-08 12:16:07 AM
Washington State is a gateway-drug to Washington DC.


/You wish
 
2013-03-08 03:28:36 AM

AirForceVet: I'm OK with that. I could drink at 18 back in the early 70s. And, no, kids haven't changed that much since I was 18.

/They're still smokin' joints, aren't they?


Yes. One of the main justifications for a drinking age of 21 is that anyone younger might have even younger friends that they would drink with. I am a bit bitter. My state raised the drinking age from 19 to 21 in January of the year in which I reached 19 in March.

At that point, of course, it was much easier for me to get pot, amphetamines, LSD, cocaine, etc... than it was for me to get beer.

This is just anecdotal evidence. Your mileage may vary.
 
2013-03-08 03:39:30 AM
uhhh, did you guys read the article? They can taste, but not consume....sort of like when Clinton didn't inhale.
 
2013-03-08 04:23:27 AM
Will the Feds withhold highway funding? they used extortion to get the states to raise the drinking age in the first place.
 
2013-03-08 05:27:34 AM
For most college towns, underage drinking tickets are their chief source of revenue.
 
2013-03-08 05:34:14 AM
I now realise why the USoA is not well known for its wines, must be damn hard to get a degree in oenology.

Even this suggestion is pitiful, nanny state type stuff.

If you are responsible enough to get married, vote and serve in the military - then you are old enough and responsible enough to consume alcohol (not like most don't already).  At the mo it seems to just be another victimless crime that cops can use against young people.
 
2013-03-08 05:39:01 AM

powhound: uhhh, did you guys read the article? They can taste, but not consume....sort of like when Clinton didn't inhale.


But if that actually was the case and they could actually buy and drink the stuff, just imagine the effects. High-school graduation rates would climb, that's for damn sure. Levels of graduates attending college would be up as well. Drop out of college? Sorry, pal, we need a current, valid college ID unless you're 21. (cue sad trombone)
 
2013-03-08 05:49:10 AM
Say goodbye to federal highway funds
 
2013-03-08 05:53:02 AM
They thought they were just legalizing tasting Jamaican bacon

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2013-03-08 05:54:40 AM
It's not like you can stop them.
 
2013-03-08 05:59:53 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange that in the US, it is ok for kids to own and shoot devices that kill other people? but when they want a beverage that slowly kills them, that isn't ok?
 
2013-03-08 06:01:51 AM

Hoopy Frood: powhound: uhhh, did you guys read the article? They can taste, but not consume....sort of like when Clinton didn't inhale.

But if that actually was the case and they could actually buy and drink the stuff, just imagine the effects. High-school graduation rates would climb, that's for damn sure. Levels of graduates attending college would be up as well. Drop out of college? Sorry, pal, we need a current, valid college ID unless you're 21. (cue sad trombone)


This ^

Actually seems pretty genius. Teens would likely get associates degrees just to pass the time till drinking is legal.
 
2013-03-08 06:04:34 AM
Considering teens in college already drink with being 'allowed' to, I don't see why not.
 
2013-03-08 06:04:48 AM
FTFA: The plan approved Thursday by the Senate would permit alcohol tasting for students enrolled culinary, beer technology or similar programs.

Shouldn't that read : The plan approved Thursday by the Senate would permit alcohol tasting for students enrolled inculinary, beer technology or similar programs.

/Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-08 06:06:32 AM

Langdon_777: I now realise why the USoA is not well known for its wines, must be damn hard to get a degree in oenology.

Even this suggestion is pitiful, nanny state type stuff.

If you are responsible enough to get married, vote and serve in the military - then you are old enough and responsible enough to consume alcohol (not like most don't already).  At the mo it seems to just be another victimless crime that cops can use against young people.


I grew up in a state that always had a 21 drinking age and could name about a dozen 18 year olds that killed themselves after "consuming alcohol" but I guess their parents and siblings and friends aren't considered victims. Lots of memorials for those that died before they graduated high school! This was in the 60s
 
2013-03-08 06:11:33 AM
Slippery slopes are slippery.


/turtles beware
 
2013-03-08 06:18:45 AM

EnviroDude: Will the Feds withhold highway funding? they used extortion to get the states to raise the drinking age in the first place.


Does a bear shiat in the woods?
 
2013-03-08 06:22:09 AM
It's legal to drink at 18 in Australia. We're considered adults then, so that's pretty much the age standard for everything to be legal.
 
2013-03-08 06:29:59 AM

just_another_asshole/jaa: I grew up in a state that always had a 21 drinking age and could name about a dozen 18 year olds that killed themselves after "consuming alcohol" but I guess their parents and siblings and friends aren't considered victims.


Nope, they are considered lucky for being spared having to deal with a farking dipshiat as a family member or a friend for the next several decades.
 
2013-03-08 06:31:03 AM

Philbb: At that point, of course, it was much easier for me to get pot, amphetamines, LSD, cocaine, etc... than it was for me to get beer.


That was Friday in high school.   "Lets get some beer, you know anyone?" "nope" "Oh well, guess we'll just eat some acid again as usual."

To be fair, at $4 for 6-10 hours of entertainment it was about the most cost effective high school drug there was.
 
2013-03-08 06:32:17 AM
People old enough to serve in war with machine guns and vote for one of the world's most powerful leaders may possibly be allowed to swish and spite wine or beer, which is kind of what you do with mouthwash from a much younger age, except it often has a much higher alcohol content.


People are fascinating.


I was put on Ativan as a daily med when I was in 10th grade. I'm still on it about 15 years later. I wish they had put me on pot instead. Or even alcohol. At least with alcohol there's help with getting off and it's an acknowledged problem. Before anyone calls me a drug-seeking addict, my doctor wants me on Ativan. My doctor doesn't understand why I would want to get off. My doctor doesn't understand how Ativan works and doesn't acknowledge the extreme physical tolerance it causes. I legally carried Ativan on my person at age 14 around a school building all day long.


People are annoyingly fascinating.
 
2013-03-08 06:39:55 AM

swingerofbirches: People old enough to serve in war with machine guns and vote for one of the world's most powerful leaders may possibly be allowed to swish and spite wine or beer, which is kind of what you do with mouthwash from a much younger age, except it often has a much higher alcohol content.


I've got to say, in Europe the 21 age limit on alcohol seems really, really strange. It's generally 18 here, but it's also the case that we get kids moderately drinking from around the age of 13 (with parental supervision).
 
2013-03-08 06:47:19 AM
THIS JUST IN! Washington to allow birds to sing, fish to swim.  News at 11.
 
2013-03-08 06:51:24 AM
"Students are supposed to taste but not consume the alcohol."

RTFA, submittard.
 
2013-03-08 07:03:13 AM

just_another_asshole/jaa: Langdon_777: I now realise why the USoA is not well known for its wines, must be damn hard to get a degree in oenology.

Even this suggestion is pitiful, nanny state type stuff.

If you are responsible enough to get married, vote and serve in the military - then you are old enough and responsible enough to consume alcohol (not like most don't already).  At the mo it seems to just be another victimless crime that cops can use against young people.

I grew up in a state that always had a 21 drinking age and could name about a dozen 18 year olds that killed themselves after "consuming alcohol" but I guess their parents and siblings and friends aren't considered victims. Lots of memorials for those that died before they graduated high school! This was in the 60s


Shall we discuss those 18 year old's you went to war and didn't come back?
 
2013-03-08 07:09:41 AM
Oh so they just want to open up classes like Beers of the World to all students? Meh, big deal
 
2013-03-08 07:13:25 AM

Oldiron_79: EnviroDude: Will the Feds withhold highway funding? they used extortion to get the states to raise the drinking age in the first place.

Does a bear shiat in the woods?


I thought that was the Pope?
 
2013-03-08 07:14:56 AM

AirForceVet: I'm OK with that. I could drink at 18 back in the early 70s. And, no, kids haven't changed that much since I was 18.

/They're still smokin' joints, aren't they?


I agree. There was a bar in the student union at my college although the campus has since gone dry.
 
2013-03-08 07:16:22 AM
In countries where a kid is allowed to have half a glass of wine at dinner, alcohol isn't such a novelty and they're less likely to immediately die of alcohol poisoning on their first year of college as they are in the US.
 
2013-03-08 07:19:38 AM

wambu: AirForceVet: I'm OK with that. I could drink at 18 back in the early 70s. And, no, kids haven't changed that much since I was 18.

/They're still smokin' joints, aren't they?

I agree. There was a bar in the student union at my college although the campus has since gone dry.


This seems to be a world problem with universities - went to my uni's bar for the first time in years and couldn't even smoke a cig on the balcony let alone a pipe (still smoked the cig though ;).

Uni's seem to now be about 'getting a better job' than what they were originally designed for, namely being a place for thinkers to ask the questions that have been nagging them to older thinkers, with the hope of becoming more enlightened. Hence why getting a major in philosophy is now almost as funny as one in modern dance.
 
2013-03-08 07:27:48 AM
As some one who went to a University that had a student run bar on campus I am getting a kick from the article. Come to think of it it's easier to list all the universities in Britain that don't have a Student Union bar than list the ones that do. Nothing like talking about a subject with a pint in hand.
 
2013-03-08 07:31:55 AM

Philbb: One of the main justifications for a drinking age of 21 is that anyone younger might have even younger friends that they would drink with. I am a bit bitter. My state raised the drinking age from 19 to 21 in January of the year in which I reached 19 in March.


We nicknamed my friend "Grandpa" because he was grandfathered as able to purchase when our state raised the age to 21 during his senior year in high school. We never had trouble getting beer anyway.
 
2013-03-08 07:39:23 AM

just_another_asshole/jaa: Langdon_777: I now realise why the USoA is not well known for its wines, must be damn hard to get a degree in oenology.

Even this suggestion is pitiful, nanny state type stuff.

If you are responsible enough to get married, vote and serve in the military - then you are old enough and responsible enough to consume alcohol (not like most don't already).  At the mo it seems to just be another victimless crime that cops can use against young people.

I grew up in a state that always had a 21 drinking age and could name about a dozen 18 year olds that killed themselves after "consuming alcohol" but I guess their parents and siblings and friends aren't considered victims. Lots of memorials for those that died before they graduated high school! This was in the 60s


If your state has always had a drinking age of 21 and all these kids still died, it sounds to me like that law is accomplishing jack shiat.
 
2013-03-08 07:49:21 AM
Most of Europe is laughing uncontrollably at this.
 
2013-03-08 07:53:37 AM

just_another_asshole/jaa: Langdon_777: I now realise why the USoA is not well known for its wines, must be damn hard to get a degree in oenology.

Even this suggestion is pitiful, nanny state type stuff.

If you are responsible enough to get married, vote and serve in the military - then you are old enough and responsible enough to consume alcohol (not like most don't already).  At the mo it seems to just be another victimless crime that cops can use against young people.

I grew up in a state that always had a 21 drinking age and could name about a dozen 18 year olds that killed themselves after "consuming alcohol" but I guess their parents and siblings and friends aren't considered victims. Lots of memorials for those that died before they graduated high school! This was in the 60s


You mean not letting people learn about how to responsibly use alcohol or get experience consuming it in a safe context causes them to not know how to use alcohol responsibly or safely?! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!!!
 
2013-03-08 07:58:50 AM
The trickle down from 18 yos to 14yos is a sure way to respark a think of the children movement.

How about just significant decriminalization of 18-20yos drinking but don't let them buy?
 
2013-03-08 08:04:37 AM

RobSeace: Oldiron_79: EnviroDude: Will the Feds withhold highway funding? they used extortion to get the states to raise the drinking age in the first place.

Does a bear shiat in the woods?

I thought that was the Pope?


There is no Pope anymore .
/Wut?
 
2013-03-08 08:05:22 AM
You have to treat people like responsible adults if you expect them to act like responsible adults. With kids on their parents healthcare until 26 we are going the other way.
 
2013-03-08 08:07:59 AM
 

Smackledorfer: The trickle down from 18 yos to 14yos is a sure way to respark a think of the children movement.

How about just significant decriminalization of 18-20yos drinking but don't let them buy?


My be all and end all argument about intoxicants is simple, but it is not for children, in fact we should rarely bring it up or discuss is around the youthful.

YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!

Adults face this fact and deal with it however they can, but the simple truth is we are all here for a short time not a long time and the bell can toll at any moment (this sort of shiat is something kids should not be casually exposed too, let them have their time in the play ground.)

But once you are old enough to marry (a premature death :D or pick up a rifle and murder another 18 year old who comes from a different country then you are damn well old enough to learn about the evil truth of life - YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!

A whole lot  of our mental health efforts are spent dealing with children who have been exposed to this sinister (yet rarely mentioned) truth.

Intoxicants provide a momentary and often incredibly pleasurable release from the omnipresence of DEATH!!!

Who are you to deny these aware people one of their few and only reliefs?
 
2013-03-08 08:08:15 AM

XplodedSynapses: FTFA: The plan approved Thursday by the Senate would permit alcohol tasting for students enrolled culinary, beer technology or similar programs.

Shouldn't that read : The plan approved Thursday by the Senate would permit alcohol tasting for students enrolled inculinary, beer technology or similar programs.

/Just sayin'.


you sound like you almostgraduated primary school

/another success for the endumecation system!
 
2013-03-08 08:11:55 AM
You can go to college for beer technology?  What an age we live in!
 
2013-03-08 08:29:52 AM
18 year olds should be able to get either a drivers license or a drinking license. Both when they turn 21.
 
2013-03-08 08:31:38 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: 18 year olds should be able to get either a drivers license or a drinking license. Both when they turn 21.


What about their farking and kid creation licenses? ;)  :D
 
2013-03-08 08:36:07 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: RobSeace: Oldiron_79: EnviroDude: Will the Feds withhold highway funding? they used extortion to get the states to raise the drinking age in the first place.

Does a bear shiat in the woods?

I thought that was the Pope?

There is no Pope anymore .
/Wut?


They should elect a bear as the next Pope, then all four variations on those old lines would be true!

/And, they could feed all the pedophile priests to him!
 
2013-03-08 08:42:23 AM
Why not? The kids aren't learning anything in our dumbed-down corporate colleges anymore, so they may as well learn to hold their liquor. It'll only take them five to six years.
 
2013-03-08 08:43:55 AM

mike_d85: Hoopy Frood: powhound: uhhh, did you guys read the article? They can taste, but not consume....sort of like when Clinton didn't inhale.

But if that actually was the case and they could actually buy and drink the stuff, just imagine the effects. High-school graduation rates would climb, that's for damn sure. Levels of graduates attending college would be up as well. Drop out of college? Sorry, pal, we need a current, valid college ID unless you're 21. (cue sad trombone)

This ^

Actually seems pretty genius. Teens would likely get associates degrees just to pass the time till drinking is legal.


While this may come to pass, I don't see this effect as a positive thing. There is currently a trend in the US to where people are now expected to go to college without any clue as to why they are going to college -- and they end up just going to college to drink and party instead of getting an education. This move would just legitimize that line of thinking.

What people don't like to hear is that there is a significant segment of the population that does not need to go to college. We should be encouraging more kids to join a trade and trying to remove the stigma from vo-tech type academies. Plumbers, carpenters, mechanics -- none of these people need a 4 year degree (or a 2 year degree) when they could be getting 4 years of experience in the mean time. However, if their buddies that went to State U can drink, but these kids with real jobs cannot -- well, it'll just drive people into college, incurring student loan debt instead of getting experience with an income.
 
2013-03-08 08:50:17 AM

RobSeace: tinfoil-hat maggie: RobSeace: Oldiron_79: EnviroDude: Will the Feds withhold highway funding? they used extortion to get the states to raise the drinking age in the first place.

Does a bear shiat in the woods?

I thought that was the Pope?

There is no Pope anymore .
/Wut?

They should elect a bear as the next Pope, then all four variations on those old lines would be true!

/And, they could feed all the pedophile priests to him!


www.brainygamer.com
Brilliant ; )
 
2013-03-08 09:07:54 AM
The progressiveness, it burns!
 
2013-03-08 09:09:21 AM
If you're old enough to die for your country you're old enough to drink.

Then again, I'm from an Eastern European family where the adage is: If you're old enough to walk you're old enough to drink.
 
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